Bills' Brad Smith Signing Underscores Emphasis On Roster Value
by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2011 8:22 AM EDT
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PrintOn Thursday, the Buffalo Bills signed free agent jack-of-all-trades Brad Smith to a four-year, $15 million contract. They did so while chasing other free agents at other positions of need - players that they'd eventually miss out on, in fact - and because of the lack of perceived need, many Bills fans openly panned the move, even while admitting that Smith is a good football player.
Whether you liked the agreement or not, it is the latest in a series of moves the Bills have made to improve their overall depth and roster versatility this off-season.
Before the NFL lockout was instituted, way back in March, the Bills gave short-term contract extensions to offensive lineman Mansfield Wrotto and safety George Wilson. Wrotto has experience as the starting right tackle in Chan Gailey's offense, and can also play either guard position. Wilson is a special teams captain (and a great performer there), and also has a jump on the starting strong safety position at the moment.
During the 2011 NFL Draft, the Bills picked up several positionally-diverse players. Second-round pick Aaron Williams will play cornerback in Buffalo, but if he doesn't work out there, many talent evaluators considered him the best free safety available in last year's talent pool. Da'Norris Searcy has played several different positions in the defensive backfield, and also has experience as a return specialist.
The real coup of the draft was fifth-round pick Johnny White, who aside from Smith is the ultimate in roster flexibility on Buffalo's squad. He ended his career at running back at North Carolina, but not before playing several other positions, including defensive back and receiver. He is an outstanding special teams player on coverage units, and has some limited experience returning kicks. White will be Buffalo's third running back this year, and rather than dedicate that spot to a player that will see a few snaps per game, if any, they'll give it to White, who will be able to help the team out in several different areas.
Now there's Smith, a wide receiver by trade that could very well end up being Buffalo's third quarterback on game days in 2011. The NFL's new game day roster rules eliminate the old trick of designating a third quarterback as inactive; now, instead of listing 45 active players and a third quarterback on game days, teams can simply have 46 active players. That last active player should be Smith, who has experience as a quarterback and can be listed there simply to avoid sitting another talented player at a deep position (like receiver).
We're well aware that this is the type of thought process that typically bores fans, because it's not a need-oriented focus. Time will tell if the Bills' current decision-makers are inept, but they are most definitely not stupid. They know where they need to get better, as evidenced by some of the other players they're targeting in free agency. Getting deeper and more versatile is another, far less obvious way of getting better, and the Bills absolutely did that in signing Smith yesterday. Add in the fact that Smith is a big-play threat capable of making game-changing plays at the blink of an eye, and I'm really struggling to understand why, in a vacuum, this move would be panned by anyone at all. That's doubly true when considering just how much this move hurts the New York Jets, from whom Smith defected.
Stay patient, Bills fans. This was an outstanding and very reasonable signing. Smith is going to do very good things for the Buffalo Bills.
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by RIP058 on Jul 29, 2011 8:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good article Brian.
I was thinking a lot of the same things. Will Smith affect Roscoe’s role much or do you think Roscoe is entrenched as a slot receiver?
Chan Gailey loves Roscoe Parrish. Roscoe’s going to be highly involved.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats Fine
but I don’t want us to pass up someone that’s really good at one position because we have/can get someone that’s decent at two positions. I think it’s important to lay the foundation with some really good guys and then surround them with multi-dimensional pieces. It’s a good article, definitely nice to see how many versatile players we have, but at the end of the day I do’t want this to be used as an excuse why we struggle to land big name guys, “because we have guys on the roster that can play the position of need, if we really need them there, they are just currently at a different position” IE; OLB to ILB or CB to S or OG to RT, etc.
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I don’t want us to pass up someone that’s really good at one position because we have/can get someone that’s decent at two positions
Neither do Nix and Gailey, I’m sure. They’re targeting players in positions of need as well.
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I can't help but think
that Roscoe Parrish is done in Buffalo.
I know Smith is not really a slot receiver – however we have a couple of candidates there and Smith does everything else Parrish can do.
I like the Brad Smith signing a lot – maybe I’m in the minority – but he is a good player. I just hope Nix doesn’t go overboard on “home run threats” He has Spiller and Smith, thats enough for now.
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I am confident that the Brad Smith signing took the place of Levi Brown on the roster. Smith can be the emergency QB, be active but not take up a spot and play any position (if I read the rule correctly, although I wouldn’t see why teams wouldn’t do that with an ATH each game) but the Bills in my opinion have no love for Brown. They cut him last year and didn’t even stash him on the PS when they had the chance. Came back later on a deal when they needed some QB insurance.
From what I hear, Chan loves Roscoe and Roscoe loves Chan and he was effective last year prior to his injury. Nelson stepped up big in his absence but Roscoe is unique and I think Chan really appreciates his skill set. I think he is safe.
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didn’t even stash him on the PS when they had the chance
Levi was on the PS last year until he got put back on the active roster.
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I vividly remember after him getting cut, he wasn’t put on the PS because in an interview or a twitter he threw a hissy fit saying “DIDNT EVEN GET ASKED FOR THE PRACTICE SQUAD” or something along those lines. It wasn’t word for word and there were no caps, and I don’t plan on looking for a source to back it up because I’m too tired but unless I am delusional because it’s before 9am, I remember this happening.
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This happened…but wouldn’t you be pissed too?
by bizarro bills on Jul 29, 2011 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if I would handle it like that. Maybe the hissy fit was a sign of his maturity and he has since then became a better man for it. I have never been a huge Levi fan so maybe I am bias. I wouldn’t be happy but it’s the business, and he must not have pulled his weight around enough to warrant a stash on the PS. I’m sure the Bills saw something us fans didn’t when they made that decision. I am happy for him that he’s back even though it’s short lived in my opinion, but it’s best to use that moment as motivation rather than to complain publicly but I’m just throwing stones, who knows how I would act if I was ACTUALLY in his shoes ya know? I’ve just seen it handled better so that’s where my expectations lie.
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I think its pretty widely accepted that not only is Roscoe going to be on the roster this season but he is going to be a heavily relied upon receiver.
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by dnvrBillsfan on Jul 29, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s unstoppable in Madden.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Roscoe
but wr is the only position we are deep at. He led the league in returns two years running and he was on pace last year to be a premier guy. I think we could get a #2 and 4 from the right team who is hurting for a veteran speedster gamebreaker. Our offense would still flourish with the depth we have at wr
by badnewsBills on Jul 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
@ Will G
A team NEVER has enough homerun threats. The more the better. Players get injured. Nice to have the next one step in who has game breaking ability too. Or put them in packages on the field together. Come on now…
I guess my point is you never want more than 2 on the field at the same time.
You need possession guys too like Stevie J and a good slot receiver in the mold of Welker. Sure the home run guys are nice especially when they hit that home run – but something to be said for moving the chains too !
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“Stay patient, Bills fans. This was an outstanding and very reasonable signing. Smith is going to do very good things for the Buffalo Bills.”
A lot people need to read this. Process this. Then read it again.
Solid write up.
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By changing one player on the field, we will move to a new section of the playbook. That will be a headache for defenses. Nobody on the Jets blog was happy to see this guy leave. Replaceable? Maybe, but no Jest fan is cheering the loss.
I agree
I like this move. We’re more effective if our offense stays on the field longer, and if Smith can help us throw in extra plays that convert 3rd downs and confuse defenses, I’m happy.
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I think having a excellent offensive weapon in that formerly mostly unused roster spot, while not taking away from the excellent set of young receivers was absolutely brilliant on the FO’s part. Brad smith adds a whole new dimension to the offense. I really can’t see why anyone wouldn’t love this signing.
by bizarro bills on Jul 29, 2011 8:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can't believe what i'm about to type
but it may be in their best interest to get something done with Donte Whitner. If they don’t i’m afraid to think how they might fill that void.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Isn't Wilson more of a free safety
I remember him playing in place of Byrd against Cincinnati 2nd half and making that big time INT.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s played both safety spots since his conversion from wide receiver. He’s got the size to play ss, and he’s more of a playmaker than donte ever was. Always thought he was a solid tackler as well.
by bizarro bills on Jul 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I REALLY like George Wilson. But how many teams is he a starter on? Is his ceiling higher than Donte’s? That’s the one thing i’d really love to know. I feel like we really don’t know much about Donte’s ability, for whatever reason, as much as we’ve seen him tackle poorly, there may be more to it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s good enough to start. I mean he was good enough to let Leonard walk. Never really saw any huge deficiencies in his game. Besides is there anyone really that much better out there?
by bizarro bills on Jul 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I REALLY like George Wilson
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by fansince60 on Jul 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
eh – no one is banging on his door are they? The league sees him as we see him – i’m sure his contract demands aren’t in line with his play. He’ll sign somewhere but I won’t be mad if it’s not in Buffalo
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Whitner is a void.
He can tackle but let’s hope we can rely on the front 10 guys a little more this year.
Heard anything
On whitner at all? I was just thinking about that too
by BigTex_BillsFan on Jul 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Brad Smith was the best QB on the jets roster
Go watch some youtube on smith he is amazing, I can’t wait to see how Chan uses this guy to break games open
by badnewsBills on Jul 29, 2011 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
all complete passes no interceptions perfect qb rating
Maybe if not for his work running the ball and returning kicks the jets lose all those close games last season and finish 7-9 all of a sudden sanchez is a huge bust so yes brad smith was the best QB on the jets roster because he did more for the teams record
by badnewsBills on Jul 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He was 4 of 7, with a 119 rating, or there about.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Like the signing!
Brad Smith could help diversify the offense for sure. I remember the Jets using his versatility last year to make some important plays for them. He’s a chain-mover.
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Never hurts to have more weapons. Our offense was decent last season, and these additions will only make it better.
by maestro110584 on Jul 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't this Jauron's modus operandi?
accumulating players that fit in multiple places, or that seem like good fits to train elsewhere, not using in their natural position?
And if so, didn’t nearly everyone bash Jauron and his staff for approaching the roster this way? Why not just go out and find the best at the position?
I really don’t care how expensive Asomough (sp) turns out to be – if he’s the best, there’s an obvious need for him on the Bills’ roster. They’re woefully thin at the position, and picking up a player like him probably happens once in a regime. There’s less money being thrown at rookies, and there’s the need to get to a cap floor, so why not go all in for at least ONE of these stud players? Seriously. I’m not asking for them to pull of name signings like Washington, nor reclamation star projects like New England. I’m asking that they open their minds and their wallets up to fantastic players who seem to have their head on straight.
It’s really becoming mind-numbing. I think I know why it continues the way it does, but i’m afraid to say it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They’re not thin at corner anymore. They’ve got six of them now.
The difference now, of course, is that the Bills now use these players, whereas Jauron did not. And, more appropriately, these players can actually perform at several different positions.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 29, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we’re not sure about the rookies. They haven’t played a down yet. If the Bills landed N.A., it would be a MAJOR plus.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure about the rookies....????
what about the Vets? McGees health (come on, accept that he will likely miss games) or Reggie’s questionable ability to tackle, cover, or play the run… face it, we have “A” man corner in williams(who is unproven), a penalty machine in Florence (counter might be he “only” had 9 penalties last season… but in 16 game season that isn’t too reassuring), and McKelvin who gets burned so often, he might be a better street performer w/ flaming pins or something. We might have 0 corners. 3-4 demands at very least one shut down corner to effectively blitz. just saying.
by ThaRealTruth on Jul 29, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a big difference between the 2 philosophies is that Nix wants the Bills to get bigger strong faster players while Jauron wanted lighter quicker players….
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean like Byrd being moved to safety from corner?
I find this comparison a reach.
by greysquirrel on Jul 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
college
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, take all the players mentioned in Brian’s article. Those players are ones who play multiple positions. They take Kelsay and make him a LBer. They move Kyle Williams around so he can stay on the field. They draft C.J. Spiller to do whatever it is he’s going to do. They sign Brad Smith who isn’t a full-time anything.
Maybe it’s just me, but I really think they’re trying to blend the lines of how players fit on a roster. Maybe they want to confuse the division.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmmm. I understand better — I thought you meant from college to pros. But now I wonder if everyone does this and we just notice it more because we dissect our own roster. Not sure if its a Bills thing or a football thing. Need to pay more attention to others, but off-hand on know NE and Baltimor shuffle Wilfork and Ngata around to maximize their effectiveness..
by greysquirrel on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think my feelings here are based on wanting them to diagnose and pursue unparalleled talent at specific positions, not players who also happen to fit in here or there.
Find a QB so good that Brad Smith would never be a consideration to take snaps. Find an OLB so good they don’t need to plug in Chris Kelsay. Running back is different, I guess. You need more than one.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think it’s the right approach so long as you properly build around it. For instance, all three of the Bills main RB’s now bring EXCELLENT versatility but their #1 back is a legitimate NFL RB no question about it. Their receiver corps is rather orthodox in that they’re all good at being wide receivers, but they also have at least one who mimics TE ability as a red zone threat. They’re at least trying to build a solid OT line, as shown by the young guys they have and the free agents they pursued. Brad Smith may be the ultimate example of versatility as a compliment but they have positionally-qualified pieces in place on offense around him. Their weak spots on offense are not really a result of a guy being versatile but not really good at his main position, but rather that they just haven’t been able to build all the pieces yet (rest of the line, TE, etc).
Kyle Williams is their best player and now a Pro Bowler, so while he doesn’t have prototypical nosetackle measurables he is by no means a tweener who can play everywhere but fits nowhere: he’s borderline dominant.
Defense is a bit more of a mess but generally they’re trying to get guys who are big, athletic, and capable for their main positions with versatility as a bonus. Jauron seemed to get smaller guys who were more versatile then they were capable at their main positions. So that is difference #1 in making this successful. They need to ensure that the majority of starter spots are filled with capable players regardless of versatility, with the latter being a bonus. Then they can add versatility to back-ups which creates something of a swing-man effect. They’re generally going about it in a way that properly takes care of positions AND gets them more out of roster spots/flexibility in gameplanning. Brad Smith is an example of the latter: he doesn’t take care of any position, but those positions are already taken care of (WR, RB, QB). He gives them a lot out of that roster spot and allows them to gameplan ingeniously. I’m all for this concept.
by paxon on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brad Smith is talented
I like this pick-up…but one thing…we can have all the speed and quickness in the world, we still need to open holes, protect qb, and push the pile….
They need more Fred Jacksons.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Will Parrish go?
The Bills are overloaded with return and gimmick specialists. In a normal organization, Smith would be an upgrade for an existing player. A normal org couldn’t keep them all because of salary cap limits, you’d need to free up money to sign players at other positions. That’s why the Jets let Smith walk.
The player on the bubble ought to be Roscoe Parrish This is a yet another test for Nix. Will he cut Parrish to free up money, or does he think the current roster is optimal? If Nix is going to do it, now is the time.
Roscoe IS NOT A GIMMICK SPECIALIST. He is a slot WR that can also do punt returns.
Why do people continue to say that Roscoe is gimmicky????????????
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Breathe, J2, breathe…they will all see, in time…
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
breathe in the air….?
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death?
Oh sorry, wrong song.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
assuming he makes it through the season without injury
which has been my main knock on him as a WR. I have questioned his effectiveness in the NFL game, as much so as Ginn, Jr… He is fast, but not fast enough to avoid every hit. if he can complete A season, my tune may change. until, he is a great slot option until hurt, and then the Smith signing is clutch.
by ThaRealTruth on Jul 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I told Brian yesterday...
He should filter/block the words “gimmicky” and “gadget” for the next 2-3 weeks.
I dont understand that talk for Roscoe, even heard it for Spiller yesterday, neither are true.
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Parrish is a mediocre slot receiver at best. How many tough catches over the middle does he make? He’s no Wes Welker, if that’s what you mean.
Parrish is a punt returner who can also be used in the slot. He’s the Bills end around specialist. That’s about it.
How many tough catches over the middle does he make?
I really think that you should try and watching the games more than once – fans tend to miss things because they are caught up in the moment. Roscoe makes great catches all over the field – he’s a good slot WR for us and I think you are underestimating his abilities.
Brian – what do you think? I know you watch games more than once too….
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
David Nelson is the Bills slot receiver of the future. Hands, size, strength, he was a bright spot last year.
sure was – but he’s also not a threat like Parrish is to juke and jive his way to the promised land now is he?
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
roscoe isn't getting jump balls
or bowling people over either. every player brings their own skillset, and fact is that “he’s just a little guy” ; )
by ThaRealTruth on Jul 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sure is – but he’s more of a threat than D.Nelson is on the field isn’t he?
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And Roscoe wasnt a bright spot?
When he got hurt, he was our 2nd leading receiver, was making great catches and was a force from the slot. The only reason Nelsons playing time jumped up was because Roscoe got hurt.
Roscoe is a mismatch for most nickel CB’s in the league.
I know they play different positions, but I dont see Lee making catches over the middle. Pound for pound, Roscoe is a tough dude.
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The play he got hurt on involved a spectacular catch.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Abdolutely.
Went up high, on the sideline and came down just awkward on his arm. Tough break.
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“Litrally” as Rob Lowe would say.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
In a spread offense
Nelson takes on the role of TE, Parrish while healthy will continue to be at slot.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If Nelson were 30 lbs heavier, I figure he’d make an amazing TE.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
for sure
he has the height and not afraid to go over the middle. But I doubt he will ever get enough weight on to make a permanent switch. But he will be on the field a lot in Chan’s offense I think.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. This is why Roscoe and Nelson can co-exist. There are plenty of WR reps to go around in this offense and considering that + injuries, a guy like Eisley will get his chances as well once he’s ready. The Bills are absolutely not going to get rid of Roscoe: Gailey thinks highly of him and he’s a great fit for their passing game. He’s almost a perfect compliment to the others.
The Bills are the worst end-around/reverse team in the league. They should abandon those plays.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
fair call, or maybe in the massive amount of time they have in training camp they can get better…
nah, just forget them.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well let’s put it this way. A MAJOR part of Parrish’s value is in the return game. The same goes for Spiller as well as McKelvin and now Brad Smith. They can’t all ghet significant touches in the return game so there’s a cannibalization effect that minimizes their value individually to this team. i think that’s the point of contention with this signing- not an indictment of Brad Smith the player.
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by Port Royal on Jul 29, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well Donald Jones, Justin Rodgers, Terrence McGee can all contribute to the return game.
The only thing that means is they are good football players – I don’t know why that should be held against the Bills….
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be like having the capital to only up three stores and then placing three fine stores all within one mile of each other. Buffalo, by their own, has limited the value of Smith, Parrish, Spiller, and McKelvin. For a team with limited resources, having four players who are not every down players who block each other from doing what they do best is poor roster management in my opinion.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
it’s called being versatile – look on defense – Williams, Dareus, Williams – those guys can play multiple positions too.
We’re literally taking a page out of Bill Belichicks book in doing this – I fail to see the downside.
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
to paraphrase the elder statesman
“I know Bill Belichick, and Chan’s no Bill Belichick”
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Jul 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And yes I occasionally visit the NPR site.
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jul 29, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting….
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by J2 on Jul 29, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what i’ve been meaning to say. I feel they’re crowding the field with these types of players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying but can't agree
In my mind, McKelvin needs to work on becoming a good corner instead of being involved in the return game while Spiller should work on his RB play and be taken off special teams also. Parrish is the slot receiver, it is his to lose and that leaves one so called ‘gimmick’ player in Smith who will be 46th man for want of a better word. A guy that will be 3rd QB on game day and double in special teams and some wild cat. During the season if the Bills get hit with the same amount of injuries as in recent years he can fill in in a couple of areas particularly WR that Buffalo ended very very thin on despite their wide array of talent in the position by year’s end last season.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is true that often times defensive backs come into the league starting mainly as return men. McGee did it, so did Burris and Clements. Even Winfield, IIRC. But at some point they stopped being used in that role. I’d like for Spiller and McKelvin to graduate.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Parrish only returns punts
and Smith is more of a kick returner. Parrish will play slot while Smith will play wild cat and maybe some HB. I don’t see how bringing in Smith effects Parrish at all personally.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a fair point but we don’t know that he was brought in to be a returner. Having lots of good-to-explosive returners means they can rotate. They can avoid guys who have fumble issues yet in desperate situations go to them if they’re super-dynamic. They can let starters focus on their position. They can deal with fatigue and injuries without missing a step in the return game. They can go with guys until they find one who runs away with the position. If he were purely a return specialist then this would have been absurd but he’s going to be a significant and efficient offensive contributor.
I like Brad Smith as a player. This team is loaded with cap space and if they want to give a decent contract to a specialty player, that is plenty fine in my book. I just don’t want to hear the excuse anymore that Nix has been handcuffed in his roster makeover attempt. Drafting CJ Spiller at 9 in 2010 was a major chip that Nix spent. A nearly $4 million a year contract on Brad Smith is a major chip that has been spent. The wisdom of these moves can be debated, but what can’t be debated is that Nix has disposed of several major chips in his two offseasons on the job without seriously addressing more traditional areas of emphasis in a re-build like the offensive line and a blue chip QB. If this team wins 4-6 games next year, the QB is still a question mark, and the line exits the season once again in disarray, then, Nix’s emphasis on returners and gimmick players at the expense of other positions should be panned and he should be held accountable. I see the crown of the baby’s head and it relies on untraditional formations, deception, and the return game. My guess is it’s going to be another runt; we’ll know more around New Year’s I suppose.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jul 29, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more!
Brad Smith is a nice player but how many touches a game is he going to get? And who is he going to be taking them from? Lee, Freddie, Roscoe, CJ, Stevie, Easley, Nelson? Offenses only get 50-60 snaps a game.. who are going to be your bellcows? Plus at $4 myn a year it seems a team that has very below average defenders (Florence is not elite) and a below average OL is not prioritizing the right positions.. Gadget plays aren’t going to work when Haynesworth and Wilfork are killing Fitzbeardy. I still think there are some more moves to be made but you need elite players to win and I fail to see where other than Williams and maybe Johnson are of that caliber. One man’s opnion.
by JerseyBillsFan on Jul 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares who he takes them from.
You guys are all worried hes going to take precious touches away from our “homegrown” Bills. The guy averages 7.2 yards a carry for his career, which is what he’ll do the most of in Buffalo, run the ball, vs being split up wide catching it. I dont care if we dont have a WR or RB that doesnt average 100+ yards a game. If they are all averaging 50-60 yards a game, Ill take that any day of the week.
Holy cow we’re trying to win real football, not fantasy football…
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by bflo on Jul 29, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That’s a new one…denigrating fans with skepticism of a front office that has a unique proclivity towards speedy receivers and running backs by calling them out as uninitiated “fantasy football” fans. Bill-lieve!
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Isnt the point in football (and Im talking strictly offense here since thats what most of this conversation is about) to gain yards, pick up first downs and score touchdowns? Well why not have as many of those guys as you can on the team. It thins out the defense because there are 5 guys on the field at any time that can do all of those things.
Remember when Lee was a valuable fantasy option? He was surrounded by a washed up Peerless Price, Josh Reed and Robert Royal. Lee was out only threat. Right now we can rotate an honest 7-8 threats.
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fantasy football? What are you talking about? And don’t you think that his “7.2 yards a carry” had something to do with an elite level OL in front of him? A OL that as far as I can determine is made up of “homegrown” talent and other teams castoffs? That is why losing out on Claybo hurts b/c you build WINNING football teams from the trenches (sp?) out.. not from the sidelines in. Once again, I don’t hate the signing – I just don’t understand how this in one of Nix’s priorities.. And, you can not talk Offense, without talking Defense and Special Teams.. thay are all related. Last comment
by JerseyBillsFan on Jul 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And don’t you think that his "7.2 yards a carry" had something to do with an elite level OL in front of him?
You think his production will suddenly drop behind our OL? You don’t forego adding talent in one area because you’re afraid they won’t succeed because you lack talent in another area.
you build WINNING football teams from the trenches (sp?) out.. not from the sidelines in
I think Green Bay and Pittsburgh would disagree with you there. You build winning football teams by having an identity and an elite level QB.
I just don’t understand how this in one of Nix’s priorities
Why does this have to be considered one of Nix’s priorities? He saw the opportunity to add a good player, and took it. That doesn’t mean he was sacrificing anything else for it.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
And, you can not talk Offense, without talking Defense and Special Teams.. thay are all related.
Yeah I know, were talking about Brad Smith tho… and by you saying,
Brad Smith is a nice player but how many touches a game is he going to get? And who is he going to be taking them from? Lee, Freddie, Roscoe, CJ, Stevie, Easley, Nelson? Offenses only get 50-60 snaps a game.. who are going to be your bellcows?
Youre the one that was originally talking about offense… so I did as well…
Anyways, well sure it would have been great to get Clabo, but guess what we didnt, he stayed at home. We dont know what Nix offered, Im sure it was more $$, but $$ isnt everything.
I know you build thru the trenches, but thats not how every team is built, and thats not how every team wins. Packers certainly didnt have the best Oline, Rodgers got crushed last year, but they still won it all.
And I brought up fantasy football because it seemed like you were worried about him taking touches away from our other players. My point was I dont care who gaines the yards or scores the touchdowns, as long as someone does. Id rather have a team full of 50-60 yards per game avg than 1 or 2 that go for 120+.
Now attending the Univ. of Hockey.
But why did they take him if they have Spiller? I thought Spiller was that home-run threat? I think they need to take the training wheels off of him and find out just what they do or don’t have with him. Not hide him behind guys who he may not be able to unseat.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey when the Red Sox won it all in 04 and 07...
didnt they have two homerun threats? Manny and Big Papi.
And I really dont see Smith as the same homerun threat as Spiller. Smith to me is a first down machine.
Spiller is the running back that could go the distance on any play, at least I hope he turns into that in his 2nd season.
Now attending the Univ. of Hockey.
I honestly don’t know the first thing about baseball. =) I’ll just have to agree with the analogy, lol.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Two of the biggest cheaters in the game’s history…put a big Boston * next to both those years.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Im not a fan so I dont care about that.
Im just using the multiple homerun threats as an analogy.
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In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Touches
I see it as a defense’s nightmare wondering who is gonna get the ball. Not losing touches but confusing defenses IMHO.
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by buffalobacker on Jul 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This year’s draft was defense-heavy. Next year will likely be offense. I think we have five 2011 draftees who will see significant snaps on the defensive side of the ball.
Next year they should cash all their picks in for Andrew Luck. I don’t care if he doesn’t end up being the #1-rated QB in the 2012 draft. He’s going to be an amazing NFL QB. It needs to happen, despite what it might do to Fitzpatrick’s feelings.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they need to give up the farm next year as well. I have no problem trading their top 3 picks or so for the #1 overall if they can get Luck…I doubt Nix would pull the trigger on that, though.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I’d trade them all. Ditka that dude!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
One things for sure – i’m sure glad football is back!
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Need to Build With 'Brad Smith' Type Guys
Great article Brian! I think your comments are particularly striking when you consider the reality that not a lot of guys want to come to Buffalo. It’s a tough sell when we’re good and even tougher with a 11-year playoff drought. Given this fact, we have to build with guys who are underappreciated/out to prove something – ala Fitz, Meatball, Stevie, Chan and now Brad Smith. In a few years, maybe we get the marquee guys but have to build to respectability first!
One thing I think everyone should keep in mind is how much Gailey gushed about Smith last season. Clearly he was a guy Gailey wants around for his offensive gameplanning and why should we fans want to deny him of that? Give the coach the pieces he wants.
As the Bills have been serious about upgrading needs, I don’t want to get down on them for not being able to secure Clabo. It seemed to me like he was going to stay there because Atlanta is a great situation to be in. Good for him for sticking with his team and a chance to win versus taking the money. RT is a need but not a gaping one as the line should at least be decent, if the weak spot of the offense. Now they really need to come away with a solid ILB but there are many fallback options there.
I’m really excited about the depth this will add to offense. It’s not just about his numbers, it’s about the extra gameplanning it forces defenses to make. It’s about decoys. It’s about taking pressure off Fitzpatrick (whom I love but let’s face it, they need to put him in the best position to succeed if he is going to). It’s about finding ways to get ground yards when the traditional ground game is floundering (something that we should expect, unfortunately).
Parrish’s spot should be just about as secure as it was yesterday. The wideouts are not going to lose many wideout reps to Smith, but all players will lose a few touches, including the quarterback.
I like this signing.
I consider it a good thing anytime the organization can get a recognizable name and playmaker in Buffalo. This is a player who chose to come to Buffalo for a not unreasonable amount of compensation. Let’s congratulate the front office for seeing talent available, going out and getting it, and not overpaying for it.
Also, I’m shocked at the number of people claiming this is a sure sign that Parrish is going to be cut. The guy finally has a coach who knows how to use him, and he was on pace for 66 catches, 800 yards, and 4 TDs before injury last year. He’s also still one of the best punt returners in the league. I am seriously flabbergasted by some of these comments.
by APhoenixDestiny on Jul 29, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Completely disagree
You guys are convinced that this “build through the draft” is a great idea and the only way to success. You have to agree, that free agency should still be a tool! If you have money and you can upgrade a position. WHY NOT? Are we all just resigned to fighting it out for Andrew Luck?
Live free or die.
I dont’ consider it a bad thing to fight for the right to Luck. Seriously. Not since Peyton Manning has winning meant so much to improving a team’s fortunes.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
durp: “losing” not “winning”.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck
Why don’t we just admit to the fans then that we are trying to suck so we can get Luck and keep me from pulling my hair out? It isn’t the Buffalo way. :(
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by TimmyDaSaint on Jul 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Dawan Landry signs with Jags
Although he was never linked to the Bills, he would have made a good replacement for Whitner.
Jags are making immediate effective improvements. 2 starting LBs and a SS. I’m trying to be patient. I…really…am.
by telka on Jul 29, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Though rarely a champion is born out of free agency. I keep trying to tell myself this, even as my BP goes up over this week’s events.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith and Clabo.....
The thing that makes me so mad about the right tackle position is that Nix cockily talked about his O-line players being better than the fans and media think last year and we all know how that turned-out.And now, he is doing it again. Talking up a guy (pears) that played in two blow-out losses that saw two QB injuries….Brohm got destroyed. Our tackle position really looks very weak right now….What if Bell gets hurt? OMG!
Onto Smith, If Albert Haynesworth plays up to his level and the Cheaters keep Wilfork, you had better have an unconventional offense, because you are not running. Even the Jerks won’t be able to run and they have by far, the best runblocvking line in the league,IMHO . I know that is a big if, but still.
Also, let’s let the one guy we hired who looks like a great hire, have a chance to do it his way. That one guy being Chan Gailey. He really made us look good at times last year and essentially he did it with dick jaurons guys. That was a small miracle and I have faith he knows how to compete with our rivals and he’s going about doing it.
gobills!
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While our OL was weak last year, I think it was better than you’re making it sound. I don’t feel like reiterating about the injuries half of the line was recovering from, but I think they did an admirable job considering chance in scheme, quarterback, coaches, etc., especially given their injury history. Maybe Nix sees more improvement in their second year? I can’t really argue with it.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
run blocking...
I was amazed at how good our line played (aside from cornell) but they weren’t getting any push from the rt. tacle running the ball and that is what I want from the right tackle.
Chan did an amazing job with the line, truly spectacular when compared to 2009’s version!
You are right on, but the fact that we need another top shelf tackle is probably going to stare us in the face come Sept. If Bell gets hurt, it probably will be disastorous…..
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by podunkowego on Jul 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If Bell gets hurt, it probably will be disastorous
Haha, truer words were never spoken :)
I see your point about RT, and completely agree with it. I do not agree with Nix that our RT position is good enough as it stands right now, but he may see something I don’t. I do hope we get a FA, though.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I think Brad Smith is an outstanding addition to the team and for a lot of reasons that Brian has offered here, can be a difference maker and pickup that we cheer for the entirety of his contract.
However, and I do believe there is a big however that needs to be mentioned, a Bills fan can not help but wonder – and should not be chided for doing so – if the more prudent move when rebuilding a 4-12 team is to establish its ground forces and foundation before expanding its periphery and hi-tech weaponry.
At about 4 million a year for Smith I am haunted by the notion that the Bills could not best 5 million a year for one of the best RTs in football in his prime when we are desperate for protection and toughness on the edge of the line. You said in your Clabo to Atlanta piece Brian that losing Clabo shows the unwillingness of Nix to overpay for players – even when we desperately need them.
Perhaps he would be more willing to do so if we weren’t dishing out approximately 4 million a year to Brad Smith type of signings. One has to openly question Nix’s wisdom when he deems Cornell Green worth 3 million a year last off-season but then balks at giving Clabo 5.5 million in order to hand nearly 4 million to Brad Smith – all in the name of not wanting to overpay and sticking to a “philosophy” in free agency.
To me it looks and smells like a mistake. I love having Brad Smith and I love the signing but it smells a bit like toilet in the context of losing Clabo.
Welcome to Buffalo, Brad – lets get some points on that board.
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by poz on Jul 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ultimately to me you have to consider this signing in two different ways. Ignoring other FA possibilities, people should like the signing. Some still criticize it but I really just flat out disagree with those criticisms. He’s a good player and a good addition. Now, the second consideration is if the signing came at the expense of filling a need. That’s a legitimate criticism for sure, but I don’t see it as being reality. Clabo got $5 mill but that does not mean the Bills could not have bested it, nor does it mean they didn’t try to. They clearly have the money to spend.
right
I like the player and the addition. As you said though, in the context of other signings, I am concerned.
In regards to your last line paxon, if the Bills could have bested it, or if they tried to, why on Earth could they not convince him to come? That may be more disturbing than if they hadn’t tried and didnt best it, no?
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You wanna play for a winner, or for Buffalo?
by Ian MacPersonoid on Jul 29, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
would 3 mil more change your mind?
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They have money in spades.I don’t think they “couldn’t” match the offer. I think they chose not to match it.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I strongly believe that the Bills signing Smith had absolutely no effect, one way or another, on the contract they offered Clabo. I really believe that Clabo, barring an outrageous sum of money coming from OBD, was going to stay in Atlanta no matter what happened.
You may disagree with that, or may think that the Bills aren’t trying hard enough to land linemen, but I just look at this signing as Nix seeing the opportunity to add some talent to the offense and taking it. I don’t think it has any effect on the rest of FA, especially given how much money the Bills have to spend anyway.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
money has to have an effect stetz
if we are going to give the reasoning that Nix doesnt want to overspend and that Nix uses his money judiciously to defend his not signing Clabo for more or paying more for Poz then it has to go both ways. If Nix is careful with his spending then it stands to reason that not spending nearly 4 mil a year on Smith would have opened more money to offer Clabo.
Either Nix doesn’t believe RT is that important or believes we have good enough ones on the roster or believes a gadget special teamer is more valuable than Clabo, or doesnt think Clabo is good enough. Whichever one it is, I disagree with all of them.
I do not believe Nix is stupid. I believe Nix is wrong as of this moment in his approach to the 2011 free agency bonanza. The two are very different.
Before I pass judgment, I will wait to see how we come out of free agency when its over.
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by poz on Jul 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either Nix doesn’t believe RT is that important or believes we have good enough ones on the roster or believes a gadget special teamer is more valuable than Clabo, or doesnt think Clabo is good enough. Whichever one it is, I disagree with all of them.
Or Clabo was going to stay in Atlanta no matter what, which is what I believe to be the case. I don’t know the details of what Nix offered him. If it was around $6.5M a year for four or five years, then he tried. If he didn’t beat Atlanta’s offer by a considerable amount, then I agree, he didn’t play it right.
I know you don’t think Nix is stupid. You’ve been supportive of him to this point, and I have also been very disappointed so far this week. I was just making the point that I don’t think the two have anything to do with each other. He wanted Smith so he went out and paid for him. He wanted Clabo but Clabo wanted to stay in Atlanta (at least I think so) so Nix couldn’t land him. I just don’t believe there’s a connection, monetarily or otherwise.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
thats fair I suppose
I just dont see a 30 year old Pro Bowler accepting 5 million a year in his last chance for a pay day. If that was the case why test the market at all? Did he ever really drive up Atlantas price if thats his motivation? The guy got less than anyone anticipated. So maybe Clabo just isnt that good. I dont think so but maybe NFL evaluators did
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I wish we were privy to those details, too. My sneaking suspicion is that Nix offered him at least $1M more per year, but he wanted to stay home and hope to get a SB ring in his career. If that is the case, then I can’t fault Nix for not trying. Anything more than, say, $6.5M a year is getting in LT money.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
When Chris Kelsay gets a 5 year, 28.3 million dollar deal and we let a RT get away who got a 5 year, 25 million dollar deal questions need to be raised about Nix’s perception of Clabo, the RT position, and the spending o money is all. Like you said, we need more details. But the context is pretty damning at this point
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by poz on Jul 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, anything put in context of comparison to Kelsay’s deal is pretty damning, to be honest. Way to bring me down, Poz! :)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
hahaha my bad stetz
Im trying to stay optimistic myself! Just calling it like I see it – come on, you wouldnt like me if I stopped doing that now would ya :)
Look, there is plenty of free agency left and plenty of time left to improve the roster. This is just one developemtn – Im sure there are more to come!
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by poz on Jul 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Either Nix doesn’t believe RT is that important
we know that’s not true because he targeted both Colon and Clabo – clearly he knows that we need a starter at RT
or believes a gadget special teamer is more valuable than Clabo, or doesnt think Clabo is good enough.
that’s not true either – right now the only way we’re going to meet cash to cap is by restructuring current players – we have the money available to us to spend and Smith doesn’t hurt us not getting Clabo one bit.
What Nix is doing is not overpaying for talent – think of Poz – 7.5 million a year – I think even you would agree that’s outrageous. We have no idea what we the Bills offered Clabo – it could have been 6 million a year. He grew up in Atlanta and is on a SB team – why can’t he stay there for that reason?
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we know that’s not true because he targeted both Colon and Clabo – clearly he knows that we need a starter at RT
Knowing we need a starter at RT and believing the RT position to be important are two totally different things. So we expressed interest in Colon and weren’t willing to offer more than 5 million for Clabo – neither one of those says to me its not true that Nix doesnt believe RT is important.
We have drafted one RT in the 4th round in two drafts, Buddy’s history in San Diego shows he never took an OT early except for Marcus McNeil in the 2nd round a LT, and he has yet to offer Clabo or Colon a contract that would show them the money. I say there is far more evidence he doesn’t perceive the RT position to be an important – irrespective of whether he acknowledges we need a starter there. Hell, if he didnt know we needed a starter there he better get fired.
Of course I think Poz’s contract is outrageous, its why I havent said a word about it since it happened. But like how he didnt match Poz because he thought the deal was outrageous I assume he used the same reasoning in not beating Atlantas offer that he did not to be the Jags’ – he didnt htink Clabo was good enough for the contract.
He grew up in Atlanta and is on a SB team
When has Atlanta ever been a legit threat to win it all? They are not a Super Bowl team, they are a playoff contender.
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When has Atlanta ever been a legit threat to win it all? They are not a Super Bowl team, they are a playoff contender.
They may not be over the hump yet, but they’ve been pretty scary the last couple of years, and definitely considered for SB contenders.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
neither one of those says to me its not true that Nix doesnt believe RT is important.
really? if he would have left that spot for Wrotto, Hairston and turnstyle x then i would agree – but he actively tried to sign someone to take those guys place. How does that not show it’s important?
Atlanta is a SB contender – that’s what I meant there. I already have Atlanta or GB vs Indy/Colts/Bills this year….
When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.
any team with a franchise qb
and experienced defense/ high drafted offensive line, and leading rusher in NFL probably qualifies as a contender.
Contender=for superbowl if the are a playoff contender… right?
by ThaRealTruth on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Buddy’s history in San Diego shows he never took an OT early
this lines puzzling to me. please note that the chargers line is indeed full of mid-later round guys (mcneils a second and hardwicks a third.. but thats it) and they are indeed quite good up front in san diego.
the discussion was not centered on
whether there line is good but whether Buddy believes RT is important enough to put an emphasis on. My point, is that clearly he believes its an easy enough position to fill with mid rounders.
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
@ Poz
Obviously Nix doesn’t think Clabo is worth more than what he signed for. Bottom line. And he might be right. It’s apparent that Nix will not overpay for players.
right exactly phaze
its one of those – its very likely he just didnt think Clabo is a Pro Bowler like the fans did
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I think the disparity here is that for those of us who oppose this signing, it’s because we feel smith is overpaid for what he is and will be in our eyes. Meanwhile, Nix is being praised for not overspending on an every offensive play, pro bowl talent in a direct position of need.
If we brought in two high priced all pro caliber players at positions of need and slightly overpaid for each, I could give a rat’s A how much we spend elsewhere. Give Smith 5M/yr for all I care, at least you showed your willing to do what it takes to get players of (in Brian’s words) “Elite Talent” in positions that effect the outcome of every single offensive or defensive snap.
We spent a lot of money on a 5-10 play/game guy and we’re not willing to overspend a little to bring in Elite 30-40 play/game talent.
"I've never been a big numbers guy. Numbers are good for giving you numbers, but great QBs make the plays that keep drives alive, move chains and win games."
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by superchops on Jul 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BTW
I use the term oppose lightly. It IS in regards to everything else we done so far…
"I've never been a big numbers guy. Numbers are good for giving you numbers, but great QBs make the plays that keep drives alive, move chains and win games."
-Bill Cowher
Since we don’t know the details of what Nix offered, I can’t say whether or not I agree that he wasn’t willing to pay to bring in Clabo. My feeling is that Clabo wasn’t coming to Buffalo regardless, even though I think Nix offered him at least $6M a year.
Again, if we find out that Nix wouldn’t beat their offer, then it’s on him, and I’ll be upset about it. And if you believe that this was overspending for a player, then that’s justified, and I can agree to some extent. I just don’t think overpaying for Smith affected how much they bid on Clabo at all.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Correct
In that I don’t think the 2 offerings had anything to do with one another either as far as affecting their willingness to go higher on one or the other.
I just think that if you’re willing to pay 3.75M/yr to Smith, is that’s the market value you’re establishing, then isn’t a Clabo worth at least 7.5 – 9M/yr, relatively speaking. I know Atl got a huge discount based on competitveness and who’s closer to a SB, but, 2.1M/yr guaranteed is NOT a lot of money, at all!!! You’re telling me that he wouldn’t have reconsidered if we offered him 5M/yr guaranteed (which is totally reasonable given his skill level and when veiwed in the lens of the smith offering) it wouldn’t have made it more difficult for him to say know?
"I've never been a big numbers guy. Numbers are good for giving you numbers, but great QBs make the plays that keep drives alive, move chains and win games."
-Bill Cowher
I think it probably was difficult for him to say no, but it’s pretty clear to me that he was using us to bring Atlanta’s offer up (which I’m okay with, unlike a lot of Rumblers). I really don’t think he was leaving Atlanta barring a HUGE difference in the offer, one that Nix apparently didn’t think he was worth.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
You are on the mark today Poz. The goal is winning. It is usually accomplished by upgrading positions. Clabo would have turned a weakness into a strength and given us RT depth. While I have liked Smith since his Mizzou days, I am not sure what position he upgrades on a regular basis. I could envision Smith, Nelson, and Easley utilized as a strong blocking grouping at WR and I can see him in the wildcat. Time will tell. I hope they sign a legitimate tackle.
by WhatGoesAround on Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More on Smith.....
I also wanted to add that Smith covers kicks and punts (I’m assuming that because he has defensive stats) and it is very rare to have a very good returner that also covers. And by the look of it (14 tks.) he is a good one. That puts him on the field quite a lot and, I think, really adds to his valu.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong…..
gobills!
PodunkO - The great post ender!
from memory only
you are right. I clearly remember him making tackles for the Jets on ST last season.
by Billsdownunder on Jul 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Great write up, but something to consider...
First off, I agree totally with Brian. This was a good signing. With injuries happening, you probably can’t have enough play-makers, and Brad Smith is that. My only concern is that we’ve now heard Gailey say “Roscoe is going to be heavily involved”…we’ve also heard him say “we are going to make sure Lee is more involved”….and of course “we will get CJ more involved this year”. Let’s not forget we have Stevie. Is it feasible to think that we can get all of those guys AND Brad Smith heavily involved in the offense on a weekly basis?
"It's all about the talent, baby. How about we take some of the $50 million it apparently will take to hire Shanahan and use it to build a time machine to go back and not fire Bill Polian?"
I don’t know the exact number, but isnt’ it somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 offensive drives a game? Not a ton of opportunity to get so many people involved, if so. That’s why I prefer players who are studs at one thing. They can develop rhythm better and the team doesn’t have to stop play so often just to get new packages in.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
considering....
Read your post, I think Brad is going to play a ton just on special teams (possibly all units). That is a lot of plays….also if Brad steals snaps I think fitzy could be the main guy who loses snaps….If so, if it works, I love it whaddaya think?
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by podunkowego on Jul 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’ll play almost 5 million dollars’ worth of snaps a season.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hey what happened
have anyone heard anything from Donte Whitner have he got his huge contract that he wanted lol
What this acquisition and FA season overall says to me
is that Chan Gailey/Buddy Nix’s plan is not to win by having better football players up and down the lineup (which, frankly, would be a tall order for this team at this time), it is to win by having the craftiest, trickiest and most versatile set of options to win the game. With guys like Parrish, Spiller, and now Smith, this greatly expands the playbook. By using that creativity and versatility to our advantage in hanging onto the ball and generating momentum against superior defenses, we have a chance to compete, even though our line is weak, and our defense is full of holes.
Even with an extra $30 million or whatever, we’re not going to be able to upgrade all or even most starters into top echelon (i.e. top half of the league at their position) players. Especially when there are so many other destinations for such players that a) are not in rebuild mode and b) are larger and more attractive markets than Buffalo. I don’t think this strategy is necessarily going to work, but unless we can make it clear to the league that we have the capability to be a Super Bowl contender, FA will continue to be an area where we lose more than we gain.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Jul 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
Haha, you’re making it sound like they don’t want to make the team better, just sneakier. I don’t believe that’s the case at all. Yea, Gailey like versatile playmakers, which is why Johnny White and Spiller were drafted and why they like Roscoe so much, etc. But Nix tried to land Clabo (how hard, I don’t know), and the FA period isn’t over yet, so we’ll have to wait and see. I think your characterization of how Nix is trying to win games is a bit skewed, though.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I feel like Nix/Gailey are building an NCAA team
not an NFL Franchise
"I've never been a big numbers guy. Numbers are good for giving you numbers, but great QBs make the plays that keep drives alive, move chains and win games."
-Bill Cowher
I think its more a realization
that in order to take the team we have – with only a handful of players who are in the top half of players in the league at their position, and make it talented enough to be able to beat the Pats, Jets, etc. through more conventional means (i.e. player for player, in the trenches), we need a lot more high $$ players than we can afford to (or will be able to) sign. Sort of like unconventional warfare.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
More on being sneakier.....
Schemes and concepts change the NFL from time to time. The change the NFL because it worked. The west coast offense and the zone bliz come to mind, but there are more and even more tiny ones.
I would like to reitterate that if the cheaters have haynesworth and wilfork playing at the top of there games together, you just won’t be able to run effectively. Belacheat’s thinking on getting haynesworth probably was motivated by the NY Jerks aewsome run-blocking line. Perhaps, the great innovator, Chan Gaily, knows a better way to score vs. the cheaters and the Jerks….I’m guessing he does.
We know the Bills wanted clabo, thus aknowledging a weakness at tackle (thank god! chixy confirmed it because saying no is just crazy!) Who else is out there?
gobills!
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Rec'd.. thank you
for using some simple logic to try and explain to people why this is a good move. listening to people talk about what a bad signing this was (simply because brad smith isnt a tackle or a linebacker) was driving me crazy. the bills need more good football players, and this guy can play football.
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