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by J2 on Jul 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT

In light of Brian's A Few Thoughts post I wanted to append a few items that I think are noteworthy - or items that I think can help make this blog run a little smoother.

I hope this isn't taken out of context - I'm just trying to help keep this place awesome.

If you are going to claim that a player sucks please have sufficient evidence. I've been re-watching a lot of the games and a lot of things that I've thought about players were dead wrong. The reason is a player will have a bad play then automatically that player is having a bad game or is terrible. That's not true - all NFL players have bad plays. If you say Kelsay sucks you better have the game the down and what he did wrong because that guy does some really good things on the football field. I'm very tired of reading these guys suck without specific examples. Face it - watching a game live is almost impossible to keep track of what all the players are doing right or wrong. Watch it more than once and formulate an opinion - trust me - it's more fun too.
There are enough comments to read through - keep the "+1" or "agreed" single comment comments to a minimum. Use the "rec" feature - I know when i'm going through comments I always read the comments with at least 1 rec - use that feature so we're not drilling down through those comments.
If you are going to complain - please do it in the appropriate thread - make your point - then try and move along. No one wants to read the same complaining over and over and over on different threads or the same redundant message on the same thread. We read it - the reason we didn't respond is because we agree or we don't want to start a pissing match because we think you're wrong.
Try and realize how difficult it is to build an NFL team and that Nix and Chan get 5 years not 3 years to rebuild this team. How many of you have built an NFL franchise? That's right - zero - so please stop the constant complaining when you don't know how difficult it is to sign a guy in Free Agency. It's not all black and white. There are 32 other teams looking to upgrade their teams.
I encourage all of you to DVR games and watch them over and focus in on players. I guarantee you will see them differently than the one or 2 plays you see them mess up in a given game. I know i've changed my tune because of it and I think further educated Rumblers' will add to and make discussions even that much better.
Enjoy the Bills - Nix and Chan are building something here - they aren't nearly as bad past regimes - we have an actual front office that is pulling the trigger - allow them to put their plan into place. This is going to take a few years.

Finally - if this blog gets to the point where it's nothing but complaining then we won't have a voice at OBD. Right now they read this blog and that gives us an opportunity to voice our opinions - so let's not go overboard. If someone is complaining and you agree - REC it - get it to turn green. They will see that - it's a much more effective method of communication than constant complaining. I'm not saying complaining shouldn't happen - but be judicious with it - use it as a tool. We literally have Bills employees reading this site daily - take advantage of that opportunity because it might not last.

I hope I didn't step on any toes and I hope this doesn't rub people the wrong way - it's just an attempt to get us all on the same page and keep this place awesome. I look forward to many awesome conversations with my awesome Rumblers'.

I also know that i've done some of these things too - so I will try my best to keep this place rocking.

Go Bills!!

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If you say Kelsay sucks you better have the game the down and what he did wrong because that guy does some really good things on the football field.

we have season’s worth of reasons that he has been ineffective on the field… it might take a while to site examples as to why. people should be allowed to NOT BE a fan of some guys. or staffs. or owners…

that said… no reason to be blatently disrespectful. NFL players are the most elite in the world. but that certainly doesn’t mean that he (or many other player on this roster and others) aren’t among some of the most questionable players in the league. he is a buffalo bill, so i personally still like him more than MANY of the PLAYERS ON ANY OTHER TEAM

by ThaRealTruth on Jul 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Well said J2

However I will have you know I have built plenty of NFL Franchises….in Madden. Sorry had to make a joke to lighten the mood around here.

by joe r on Jul 30, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Me too!

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by RIP058 on Jul 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I rec’d this solely for Point No. 3.

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by Brian Galliford on Jul 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

LOL....I rec'd it after reading point 2

This place is getting so big that it is almost impossible to read all the comments. PLEASE rec comments you feel are worthy of it people :-)

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by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree with a lot of this. #2 and #3 are spot on, but blind trust in Nix shouldn’t be a prerequisite, and I think there are a lot of criticisms that can fairly be leveled without multiple re-watches of every game. (completely self interested on the re-watches thing. I’m a college student on the West Coast. I pretty much need to either go to a bar or find a stream if I want to watch a game.) Now, more informed posts aren’t a bad thing, but there are points to be made based on stats, other expert opinions, etc.

by Hopefulcynic on Jul 30, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs

Well Said

Oops, I mean Rec’d and moving right along:)

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

sorry

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Great thread J2!!!!

Quite frankly, there are many times I repeatedly hit the “Z” key, or even “F5” to get beyond one of the lambast sections of a thread your referring to… Sorta the “I know what you are so what am I?” back and forth that happen way too often anymore on this board….

Look…. We all come here to this great site BECAUSE all that crap happens in every thread over at BBMB!!! If that’s your style, stay there!!! If you enjoy the excellent work put forth by Brian, Matt, and all the great writers here, at least keep it respectful. Heck, paste the articles over at BBMB if you want the childish banter….

Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!

by Cinga on Jul 30, 2011 6:37 PM EDT reply actions

rec'd...

Especially for #1.

Too many fans don’t realize the skill level required to become a professional in any sport. Everyone playing in the NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB possesses talent far beyond the average person. The single biggest difference between a hall of famer and a bench player is consistency: a Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretsky can replicate their best plays seemingly at will, while other players, having the same ability to make those plays, don’t do it as consistently. As Charles Barkley once said about NBA players, “the average fan has no idea how good these guys are.”

Thus, it irritates me when I hear fans rip a player as “he sucks,” with nothing more than an opinion to back up that characterization. While we’re all entitled to our opinions, there should be some facts, research or rationale to back up that opinion.

by swampdog #1 on Jul 30, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions

Really?

I realize these’s gifted athletes you hold in such "awe " are just as human as you and me and deserve no more respect than they’d pay me. Matter of fact there public athletes and open to critizing by the masses, if they don’t like it leave the “public eye” for real.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions

You also could have included treat others as you would like to be treated and practice what you preach. Also people on here need to remember that not everyone on here lives in western ny and see’s all the Bills games. When they ask questions they are genuine and just want a straight and honest answer, not sarcasm or insults to there intelligence. Matter of fact, have seen some comments on here from people that dont even live in this country that are Bills fans.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Jul 30, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs

this

Also people on here need to remember that not everyone on here lives in western ny and see’s all the Bills games. When they ask questions they are genuine and just want a straight and honest answer, not sarcasm or insults to there intelligence

by ThaRealTruth on Jul 30, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Dude

Rec’d a thousand times, its like you gotta walk on eggshells here yet were all rooting for same team. I was raised in upstate NY and I’m embarrased by alot of regulars comments. Ban me if you want but I’ve been a fan since ealy seventies and some peeps on this site are down right rude! I’m gonna be a fan regardless of posting on BR, so fire away.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Jul 30, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

So what you are saying is you dont want to hear drone on and on about Chan Gailey week after week?

This does not amuse me.

:-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Jul 30, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions

Nope, just means you have to come up with a new, creative criticism each week.

by Xaviermw on Jul 30, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Excellent

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by VanScottM on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions

I rec this because it’s community speaking out for the greater good.

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by Undee on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions

There are enough comments to read through – keep the “+1” or “agreed” single comment comments to a minimum. Use the “rec” feature – I know when i’m going through comments I always read the comments with at least 1 rec – use that feature so we’re not drilling down through those comments.

What difference does it make if people write “Agreed” in a comment? How long does it take to move past it? It provides insight into peoples’ overall thought processes to know which points they agree with and which they do not. I know a lot more about the more about the Rumblers that don’t post long drawn-out points because of the fact that they agree to other posters’ long drawn-out posts.

Otherwise, good list, and I agree :)

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by stetzwebs on Jul 31, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier.

by cjf4 on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

I rec’d this post so I wouldn’t have to do it here.

by BillsfanDan on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Like a wedding night with a virgin bride

Be firm but gentle it will work out so much better in the long run!

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by Goose22 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs

too bad there isn’t an automatic green button

When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.

by J2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL....but I can't remember that far back ;-)

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by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

rec'd J2

I agree with all of it except stetzwebs point above. I too like the small “I agree” or “+1”, when I read a comment I really like I prefer to let the commenter know that I am rec’ing them, its nice to know where a rec is coming from :)

I would also add 2 more things that I personally hope to see more of :

- disagreeing used to be the really fun part of Rumblings. Recently, its become something that divides threads pretty harshly. If someone disagrees with you or you with disagree with them refuting the point to your utmost ability is encouraged and is a good thing. Not something to get upset about or shun. I know some of the Rumblers I respect the most earned their respect from me because of their well argued and classy debates on points we never came to see eye to eye on. Norcaliangelsfan is one of my favorite Rumblers and that came from not agreeing on a single thing about a year and a half ago. Brian will probably tell you there was a time when I disagreed with literally every story he posted and made it known. Disagreement is good, thats what this place is for, lets not let it devolve into something that divides us or turns us against each other. Keep it classy and you’ll find the Rumblers you disagree with most become the Rumblers you really enjoy reading.

- Read whole comments before replying to them. People are getting boxed into opinions because we focus on one line or one aspect of an entire opinion that taken as whole is something far more comprehensive and reasonable.

I’m guilty of failing at both of the above myself quite a bit and I know its something I’d like to get better at doing.

Great thread J2.

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by poz on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs

well said...rec'd

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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Rec

Spot on Poz, it’s fine to disagree – there’s just no need to berate people because you disagree. I remember being new to the site and commenting that I didn’t think Tebow had the throws to be 1st round worthy – wow did I cop it ! I got blasted for only seeing about half of his games – yeah like we get every single game here in Australia. Not allowed to have an opinion if you have not seen every single game in a season ?

Fortunately most people on Rumblings are excellent and I find it a most enjoyable place to read about and comment on Bills goings on.

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by Will G on Aug 1, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions

I prefer to let the commenter know that I am rec’ing them, its nice to know where a rec is coming from :)

I thought that would be a good enhancement – you know?

When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.

by J2 on Aug 1, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Reply to point #2

Sometimes I am limited to replying via cell phone. In those instances the “Rec’d” feature is unavailable and my only recourse is to post a short response. Certainly there are others to whom a quick response is their best or preferred option.

A lot of little posts do make reading this blog a bit tedious, but at least we’re involved. I’d rather have a bunch of interspersed short responses than a long cerebral dialogue between three people. That’s no fun! I read this blog for enlightenment AND amusement.

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by Montel on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions

I like the tone of what you are going for here, but one thing I don’t like is: Unless I can give you the exact play and the exact down and moment from a play last season, I can’t give my opinion about a player? Really? I’m a commenter on a website, not a scout and frankly if that’s the kind of dedication we’re looking for here (rewatching each game) then the traffic will get a lot lighter. Also, I have to give you the exact moment of a game. I just can’t say I watched Kelsay lose contain and be fooled by misdirection on multiple occasions? Can you tell me in your rewatching that he isn’t fooled on misdirection more than he should be? B/c my memory from 8+ months ago tells me that he was. I understand the point was more of a don’t just say this guy sucks and needs to be cut over and over again, but I think needing to quote down and distance is a little much.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

but I think needing to quote down and distance is a little much.

you’re absolutely right – I should have said specifically what a player does well and what they don’t do well. Saying Kelsay sucks isn’t true because he does a lot of good things. I guess I was just going for specifics more than crazy insane exact specifics

When you innovate, you've got to be prepared for everyone telling you you're nuts.

by J2 on Jul 31, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

OK….I would agree with that. I always try to be specific about why I’ve decided I’m “done” with a guy or love a player. I totally agree. In game threads the quick emotional reaction is probably excuseable within reason….but I agree in general (and I will try to not use the word agree again in this comment. Oh no….I said it again). In August the criticisms can be a little more exact. Can we also apply the same rule to: “He’s a stud” for free agents that we’ve probably never watched play That has been annoying also.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Jul 31, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I had no idea...

J2 thx for breaking that down in a way I think all Bills fans can appreciate! I didnt realize the front office actually read or really kept up with this site. I also agree that this regime is the made more progress than many others we’ve seen to this point since old man Levy left.

by memphisbiller on Jul 31, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions

but....sorry

Kelsay does have plenty of bad tape, it would not be fair to list every down-n-distance along with the game and all that. It would just be too much! No need to do all that just admit we could use an upgrade at that position. Nuff Said!

by memphisbiller on Jul 31, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions

I agree, and yet....

While I completely agree that things have seemingly been getting more testy here lately, I think a couple factors are in play. I believe it’s due to the long drawn out lockout process and the disdain that it has inspired in the BR readers, coupled with the fact that this tumultuous FA period has provided a great many points of contention thus far.

I absolutely love this site, and that’s not bullsh*t or sucking up, it’s just fact. I’m not the kind of poster that comments all the time – my posts are fairly sporadic, in fact – but I am on here enough to know that J2 is a prominent and prolific member of this community, his opinion carries weight, along with many other of the regulars here. I respect every one of their comments, whether they are long paragraphs or a simple “Rec it.” I think as a whole, this community is knowledgeable, respectful, and unquestioningly loyal to the Bills. This storm of negativity will pass (hell, I’ve recently come in off the ledge myself), and I’m confident we’ll get back to the intelligent, lively discussion and banter regarding our team.

At least until the inevitable 0-4 start….. (I’m sorry, it’s hard to wash away all of the frustrations in one post!) >insert non-existent sarcasm button here<

GO BILLS.

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by Home Run Throw-up on Aug 1, 2011 4:02 AM EDT reply actions