Opinion: Still Not Holding Breath On Lee Evans Trade
by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2011 9:15 AM EDT
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PrintThree days ago, when reports first surfaced (or, more accurately, re-surfaced) that the Buffalo Bills may be looking to part ways with receiver Lee Evans one way or another, I expressed a belief that any Bills fan holding his or her breath waiting for it to happen would be making a mistake. Naturally, there's another report on Evans out, this time linking him to the receiver-needy Arizona Cardinals.
I still don't think a trade is likely, for a number of reasons I'll get into after the jump. Let's deal with a Tim Graham report (via WGR 550 on Tuesday) that the Bills were considering releasing Evans outright before the NFL lockout stripped them of that possibility.
The reason the Bills were considering that route is because Evans was due a $1.5 million bonus once the new league year began. (He'll get another one of those next year, too.) After the lockout ended and the new CBA was ratified, the new league year began on August 4. It's been a week, and the Bills have presumably paid Evans his bonus by this point. Not only is an outright release now unlikely, it would be asinine.
As for trading Evans, as I've stated, I still believe it's unlikely. For one, I still have not yet seen a report that convinces me that the Bills are interested in moving Evans right now. Not last year; not in January; but right now, in August, during training camp, with the regular season beginning a month from tomorrow.
Evans' salaries are not remotely prohibitive over the final two years of his deal; only the aforementioned bonus could be viewed as a potential catalyst to an Evans move. Beyond Evans on the depth chart, the Bills have the still-proving-himself Steve Johnson, the boom-or-bust Roscoe Parrish (particularly health-wise), and a bunch of eager and talented youngsters. Parting ways with Evans would put extraordinary pressure on Johnson to be a go-to target - pressure he may or may not be ready to accept head on - and would really thin out the team's most promising positional group.
The only argument that makes any sort of sense from a personnel standpoint is that the team wants to develop said young talent - a group that could include the likes of David Nelson, Donald Jones and Naaman Roosevelt, as well as an unknown like Marcus Easley or free agent pickups such as Brad Smith and Buster Davis. They're certainly not lacking in options, but folks, if it's not plain as day to you that none of these players are of Evans' caliber, I can't help you.
Evans isn't going to fetch a lot on the trade market. At best, we're talking about a mid-round pick here, and even that seems wildly optimistic. Sure, the team flipped Marshawn Lynch for a couple of mid-round picks a year ago, but they also had a Top 10 pick waiting in the wings. They don't have that luxury at receiver, even if they do have the luxury of numbers. Evans is still too important to this team to move for that meager price - even if his value lies more in what he opens up for his teammates than what he actually produces.
In short, I'm still not holding my breath on this one. It wouldn't shock me, and I wouldn't be totally opposed to it, but logically, it doesn't make a ton of sense not just for the 2011 Buffalo Bills, but for those iterations beyond, as well.
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Thank you.
Hopefully everyone reads this sensible opinion and gives up on the idea. Moving him for anything less than a 3rd rounder would be a huge waste, and I doubt anyone will cough one up. Moving him at all seems, to use your word (and one of my favorites) asinine anyway, because it does put too much pressure on unproven talent.
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Lee is alright with me but
If there was some team who would offer a 3rd pick, I’d do it, or if they were to offer a Tackle that would allow Wang to never see the field at LT, I’d do it.
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by 78sackdance on Aug 10, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian, youve rewatched the games...
Is Evans still getting double teamed most of the time? I mean he hasnt really done much over the past 2-3 years, so Im just wondering if the “Well hes doubled all day” group still can hang their hat on that, or if they are just saying that from the past.
Also, I like Evans, I really do… but I hate that arguement that he doesnt get the catches he should because hes always doubled… well so is every #1 in the league and they still are their teams #1. Thats why I ask if he is still doubled, or if thats a thing of the past?
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I actually tend to blame his lack of production the last couple of years with a lack of chemistry with Fitz. I think that as time goes by, however, they are rectifying that. I think they can be a force this year.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Him and Fitz
were always a step of two off on the deep throws. But thats where Chan has to do his part and get him involved with the underneat stuff. I really hoep he stays true to his word about doing that this year. But we’ll see.
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Double teamed is something of a misnomer. Evans gets a lot of attention from safeties, yes. As long as he has his speed, he’ll always have value to an offense as a guy that can open up half of the field.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, thats what i meant more of, the safety rolls over to the top of his side more?
I noticed it in the Balt game when Stevie scored that deep TD. I really think Chan needs to stick to what he said months ago and get him more involved over the middle. Thats going to be a huge way to really get this offense opened up.
If the Ravens offer a 2nd for Evans, would you do it?
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If the Ravens offer a 2nd for Evans, would you do it?
Yes. But I’d also say yes if the Ravens offered Ed Reed, Ray Lewis and Haloti Ngata for Lee Evans.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s no way Baltimore makes that trade unless we throw in Maybin as well.
by LetsGoBflo on Aug 10, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And 500 lbs of Wings from Duffs
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Dinosaur BBQ’s are much better. Different beast, but the best of the best, IMO.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
I live in Syracuse so Dinosaur is a food group for me but I would never even think of comparing their wings to Duff’s. When it comes to ribs, pulled pork, mac salad, black beans and rice, and the best blues bands around – Dinosaur is the Gold Standard, but wings? No way. To each his own I guess :)
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Beef Brisket didn’t want any of that?
but anyway, yeah I agree. I have yet to find better than average wings anywhere in Syracuse. Chargrilled are ok, but they’re not as good as Buf/Roc wings.
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Shifty’s on Burnett Ave and there’s a little dive bar on Grant blvd, I forget the name (End Zone I think). Those two places are definitely Buffalo caliber wings. OIP does that chargrilled thing, but I’m not impressed.
Forgot about the brisket! It’s damn good brisket!
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 10, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I can only speak to the ROC location, but their wings are the greatest thing i’ve ever devoured off the bone. (wait for it…) They trump the gratifying, greasy goodness that is Duff’s wings. They trump all the buffalo-style wingness. They’re like a slow-roasted pork butt is to your tacos.
Wow, do I need some of those wings soon!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I too really love the Dinosaur BBQ wings. But in an effort to diffuse this argument, I would argue they are really a different beast. They aren’t trying to be traditional buffalo wings. It’s like argument over Chicago versus NY style pizza, easily resolved by saying these things are in different categories comparable.
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally different beasts. If we’re talking buffalo-style hot wings, Duffs is numero-uno. Though Jeremiah’s in the ROC is top notch too.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true, you’re not really comparing the same thing. I still prefer the Buffalo style of wings over the Dino ones. But hey, that’s just me :)
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 10, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen
As a native of Baltimore. I’ve started coming to Buffalo for home games 2yrs ago. First, I went to Anchor Bar and I said “wow, these wings are really good”. Last year I went to Duff’s for the first time, and I’ll tell you they are the best wings I EVER had in my life…..I swear my wife and I was so addicted, we left the Jet game last year early so that we had enough time to get some wings before our flight left….I will seriously move to Buffalo for those damn wings….I can’t wait to get some this year when we come up for the Eagles game….
You dont think we could get a 2nd for Evans?
If its been rumored that Balt and Zona are sniffing around Evans, then let them play off each other. Arizona doesnt have a 2nd next year… So if both are offering a 3rd (which I think is likely) and Baltimore being a team that is going after it this year, Nix should put the pressure on them to say, “For a 2nd hes yours, otherwise hes going to Arizona for a 3rd.”
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No. I don’t think the Bills could get a fourth for Evans. They’d struggle to get a fifth.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 10, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So basically we could trade Evans for a pick that would get us Chris Hairston. Doing that...
would be asinine.
Exactly
Who’s gonna give us a 2nd, 3rd or even a 4th? It doesn’t take long before the compensation without a player in return makes no sense whatsoever for someone that isn’t a drain on the pocket books.
I hope this rumors go away soon. Tired of my buddies bringing it up to me. Thanks for the reality check Brian.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Aug 10, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Aug 10, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
bflo
Check out the Top 10 Performances series on BuffaloBills.com.
They have one for Lee, but on the one for Stevie the coach mentions a couple times how Lee cleared out the area (Cinci I think is where he had 4 DB’s in tow).
It’s a great series on there regardless.
This makes it sound like its about the routes he’s running, as opposed to some amazing skill he’s displaying. We don’t get him the ball on these routes very often. With Fitz and this offense, it just doesn’t seem like anyone needs to take our deep threat as seriously (hence a push to develop Evans underneath game).
I’m not arguing we release him, but there does seem to be a skill mismatch between Evans and this offense — so I could understand why a front office might be trying to evaluate what he’s worth in a trade. It’s hard to imagine anyone giving up much more than what NE did in the Ochocinco trade. Meaning he probably sticks. But it’s not hard for me to imagine that there is a better fit on our roster for the spot than Evans, even if Evans is ‘more talented’.
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Fitz and evans had poor chemistry last year. The only reason him and stevie did so well is because thats who he was practicing with for so long. Evans leaves you lose what I call the randy moss effect. A credible deep threat like evans forces a saftey back out of the box. This opens up the field for lots of things running game , under neath routes, screen passes. A credible deep threat has more effect then people realize.
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by matthew62 on Aug 10, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with all that, but Gailey is saying he wants him to go deep LESS. Which is why I am starting to wonder if this randy moss effect is something we talk about to excuse his dropping numbers, when in reality we need a receiver doing something else out there.
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Evans gets a lot of attention from safeties, yes. As long as he has his speed, he’ll always have value to an offense as a guy that can open up half of the field.
The key words in that statement are, “as long as he has his speed” . . .
At age 30, and just coming off of injury, how much longer will he have that speed?
Plus, I hear people say that Evans “may be a one-trick pony, but he’s the only pony on this team with that one trick.”
Why have a “one-trick pony” at all? I’d rather have five guys that can do a lot of things, than one guy who can only do one thing . . .
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reality vs. perception
the perception is we have a deep stable of receivers. The reality is Easley, Parrish, and newcomer Davis are injury prone. If Evans were gone and, God forbid, Johnson gets dinged, then the caliber our “arsenal” of receivers goes from 45cal to a BB gun very quickly.
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by fansince60 on Aug 10, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
injury prone
So Roscoe breaks his wrist and he’s injury prone. Easley hurts his knee is put on the IR before the full extent of the injury is known and that makes him injury prone. As for this year a hypertension is not something that happens beacause your joint is weak and Gailey being careful about bringing him back is only being smart.
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by Robot Nixon on Aug 10, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roscoe missed the first 6 games of his career to injury, was in DJ’s dog house for whatever reason, and was out the last 7 games last year. Plus he’s missed practice time this year due to being, “sore and tight”
On Davis, this from Yahoo Sports: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=AkLOpuZMLzouImELsjVySD.uLYF?slug=capress-fbn_bills_craig_davis-7711377
“He has seen more time on the NFL injury report, where he’s been sideline by sore hips, ribs, hamstrings and an Achilles’ tendon. Then there’s a nagging groin injury for which he’s had two operations.”
Easley, well, call it what you want…he’s not playing/practicing.
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
These guys have medical care probably second only to that of Congress. I guess I just feel that guys get labeled injury prone way to easily.
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by Robot Nixon on Aug 10, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
then the caliber our "arsenal" of receivers goes from 45cal to a BB gun very quickly.
Plus, Johnson nees to put a couple of good years together, there have been plenty of receivers that fade out after 1 productive year.
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Lee faded because he hasn’t had a real qb since Bledsoe… Holcombe, Losman, Edwards, and now Fitz… wow.
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by hoosier3 on Aug 10, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee Evans also
started his career with three good years and had 7 TDs as late as 2009.
Outside of Losman and Bledsoe (best production under both, no coincidence) he hasnt had a QB who can throw a deep ball and he still gets in the endzone.
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by poz on Aug 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Favorite Evans play of his Bills career
Probably has to be the game vs the Jets where he stole the ball away from Revis and on a desperation Losman bomb.
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Stole it from Revis and Abram Elam. That play was awesome. We won that game too.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 10, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it was like a 7-3 decision. Terrible throw. Revis made a poor adjustment. Lee got him, but Revis was green behind the ears then.
To me, it will always be one of two games: The Texans barnburner and the Dolphins barnburner. Both road games and both games Evans and Losman lit the opposition up by the second quarter.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sxkXH6gZ08
“Losman to throw on first down….firing down the field…..daaaaangerous”
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Excellent point poz
I’ve been saying this for months now and people still can’t seem to realize that. I’m rec’ing it because I’m tired of retyping the same thing everytime a post comes up about how 1 dimensional Evans is, or how his production has slipped, or how he’s washed up and done.
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by panekattack on Aug 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about how many noodle-arms hes had throwing to him
the two times he had cannons he was a beast. And he still produced with noodle arms. Cant be one dimensional. Hes just ELITE deep and very good everywhere else.
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exactly
THANK YOU! finally I don’t feel alone on this argument. Many forget that early in Lee’s career he was on pace to surpass Andre Reed in the Bill’s record books because he was off to such a good start and had QB’s capable of getting him the ball downfield or in the tight windows. Also having played QB myself it’s not easy to just “get it” or “flow” with receivers. Different receivers have different timing, speeds, and abilities it takes a long time for the chemistry to click and Lee has had to try to get comfortable and establish chemistry with so many different QB’s over the years. That’s part of the reason why Stevie J and Fitz clicked so well last year (not a knock on either of them) they just had so much time together practicing as 2nd teamers that they knew one another and knew where to throw it where to run and what each one was capable of.
If Lee has a rebound year this year I will certainly contribute it to him being able to establish chemistry with Fitz. If he doesn’t have a rebound year I’m not ready to say he’s washed up, just perhaps he needs that strong armed QB to get him the ball downfield or zip it into those tight windows and perhaps he does need a change of scenery with a team that has that strong armed QB. I’m hoping he rebounds this year though
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I don't undersatand the sentiment that we ar extremley deep a WR
Steve Johnson has had 1 1000 yd rec year and at that he had less then 90 receptions
(A good if not Great year but it is 1 year folks)
Roscoe Parrish – A proven PR and thats it, has yet to play a full season since he’s been in the NFL, and is yet to surpass 40 receptions in a year.
David Nelson – Great production for a UDFA, had this kid been our 3rd round pick would we have been so excitied????
Naaman Roosevelt – My personal Favorite, played 5 games last year????
Marcus Easley – Has not play 1 single NFL game, and had a good workout with Fitzy and thats what were going on?
Buster Davis – Known as Busted Davis in San Diego, enough said
Donald Jones – A Great, GREAT Special Teams Player, but had under 20 receptions last year and saw the field marginally
And this is our incredible WR core? I’ll revoke my comments if all or some of these guys come out and light the league on fire this year, but the chance of any of them surpassing 1000 yds in reception yardage is very hard to imagine. (Aside from Johnson, but still I think thats reaching)
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Evans had 600+ yards and 4 TD's last year in Gaileys offense...
3TD’s coming in one game.
I think Nelson, Jones and Roscoe (If Evans was off the team) would have put up better numbers.
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Thoughts and Facts.........
I am not arguing that Evans is the end all and be all at WR I am just saying that for some reason here at Buffalo Rumblings wa have this stemming optimism about our young WR core; and I can get behind it a bit, but this is still a very raw group and a very unproven group so to say that we are extremley deep at this position; to me, is an overstatement.
They are a growing group at WR, but not a deep group.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
IT’s as much optimism about the other guys as the fact Evans put up pretty paltry numbers.
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year, you could argue Lee Evans was the 2nd fiddle
To Steve Johnson, could you not?
And for a 2nd WR to grab 578 yds (exact numbers) is not that bad, its not great by any means but its not bad, couple that with the fact we ran 3 and 4 WR sets regularly and he was still pretty productive, it was however his worse season as a pro so……..
The arguement can go both ways and I understand that, I am just saying we are not as deep as we like to think at WR thats all.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It is not just us fans, the majority of the league is aware of the talent we have at WR.
All those guys you listed are very talented, and the most of them have had one year in Gaileys system, not to mention one year in the league. Even WR’s need seasaoning, experience in this league to really flourish. Many have shown that potential. That is the sentiment that I get from reading articles.
I am also obliged to recall a commentor her about six months ago, who ran into Evans family at a resturant/diner. They talked. The dad did state that Lee probably would be in Buffalo much longer, he has felt he has over stayed his welcome. Now that doesn’t mean a trade, but it does mean that Lee isn’t happy here and you can’t blame him with all the coaching, QB changes that he has dealt with. Either way I see it as a win win if he stays or if he goes. It all depends on compensation. We are so small with Evans and Roscoe on the field, it makes it hard for QB’s especially going long over a CB and in front of a safety.
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Steve Johnson has had 1 1000 yd rec year and at that he had less then 90 receptions
He had 82 catches last year, thats also the most Lee has ever had in a season.
And this isnt about the past anymore. This is about in Gaileys offense. When Roscoe went down with that injury, he was more productive than Lee. Fitz loves Nelson, he fits a specific role on this offense, he’ll never have 1000 yards… but he fits a role.
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82 is the most reception Lee has had.
I am not arguing Lee vs Stevie or Lee vs anyone.
I am debating that we are not as deep at WR then we like to think, that is all nothing more.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We just don’t know. It’s a gamble to trade Lee agreed. But Lee as second fiddle is less of a gamble than trading Lee of 2008. Because its easier to imagine a younger guy plugging in 550 yards and 4-5 TDS. And these younger guys will be with the team for many years, Lee may be on his last or second to last team.
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That to me is the only reason you pull the trigger. The only benefit I see of not having Lee on the roster is to make room for our plethora of unproven youngsters, there is a reason they are unproven. If we are truly rebuilding, that makes some sense.
But even during a rebuild (and I would say, especially during a rebuild) you need to inject some veteran leadership at each of the positions. Lee is our WR veteran.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
That is also assuming that Lee does not rebound
or improve on his #‘s this year. Lee is coming off his worst year without a doubt but by no means does that mean that is it and his production will not get better again. That’s the problem I have with this argument.
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by panekattack on Aug 10, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This could be
all about how much a team wants Evans Vs how much the Bills are looking to unload Lee Evans. Granted the value may not be there in draft picks in a player for draft pick and the Bills may value him more than a fourth and beyond, but if a team is willing to offer up a player of need by the Bills and a draft pick than it may make sense for the Bills to go that direction or even just a player of need.
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I agree
If we can squeeze a T out of Arizona with the same value as Evans I am down for sure. I we could squeeze a LB away from the Ravens for Evans I am down, but to essentially get a Chirs Hairston or a D’Norris Searcy for Lee Evans, I am sorry, I am not down with that.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t want to watch this season be crappier than it has to be. Yes, we have depth, but no one is probably ready to do what Lee does, no Roscoe or Buster or Donald Jones can’t take off the top of a defense. Give those young guys another year to develop and we will see. If there was a trade for an OT, maybe, but there probably isn’t, so what is the point.
The point is to find out for sure what the value is available.
Then hope there is more than one option to consider before NIXING it.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Working off the premise of what other talented and more productive WR’s have fetched in return, a 3rd or 4th rounder are the most likely options, if so no thanks. While I’m not opposed to finding out what what he could get, expecting more in return than what Moss, Boldin and the like received is pretty unreasonable and probably futile.
unless it is a player
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Still, given the return on similar players, what kind of player could we possibly be talking about here? I suppose a teams 3rd tackle would be possible and god knows we need one but it still seems unrealsitic to expect, imho of course. But hey, you could be right, we have depth at WR, there are probably teams out there with depth at tackle or olb or ….
Paul Hamilton this morning...
pretty point-blank stated he thinks David Nelson is a better receiver than Stevie Johnson. It threw EVERYONE off.
One thing I know for sure: This is the year I need to get that Lee Evans autograph. It doesn’t sound great for future camps.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
Think maybe he's comparing how well they catch the football?
What were the comments and points he made after he said that?
"‘Fight on my men,’ Sir Andrew said, ‘a little I’m hurt, but not yet slain.
I’ll just lie down and bleed a while then I’ll rise to fight again.’"
I believe you can find it on WGR’s audio vault, but not sure. It was around 8:15 that I heard the comment. I think he just went on about how he doesn’t drop passes and that he’s liked him since he came to the team.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay. I’m aware of the audio vault on the WGR site. I haven’t been on their a while, but from what I’ve heard of Paul Hamilton in the past I usually agree with what he has to say. He seems to come at things from a different angle than most too. I figured his statement might of had to do with how those guys can catch the ball.
"‘Fight on my men,’ Sir Andrew said, ‘a little I’m hurt, but not yet slain.
I’ll just lie down and bleed a while then I’ll rise to fight again.’"
There might have been more to it, but I was merging with traffic. People don’t know how to drive, so I make sure I know how to watch them!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst place on earth to drive is Erie, PA in my opinion. It’s like everyone is loaded all the time.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Aug 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Drinking town with a football problem?
by greysquirrel on Aug 10, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ever been to Massachusetts?
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Not only is an outright release now unlikely, it would be asinine.
A 5th for Evans doesn’t make sense. The only thing that makes sense is CHIX are fishing to see what his value is. Expect a trade for a player (OT please) plus a 3rd round pick IF a playoff team loses a WR. Vikes could sure use Evans.
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The Patriots could use a player like Evans. They have the most picks to give up. Yuck.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
true....and if Chad keeps acting the fool
they might give us one of their second rounders for Evans
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Anywhere but New England or Pittsburgh.
I hate both of those teams!
"‘Fight on my men,’ Sir Andrew said, ‘a little I’m hurt, but not yet slain.
I’ll just lie down and bleed a while then I’ll rise to fight again.’"
The only way I see Evans getting moved is if the Bills are 0-6 at the deadline/bye week
then I could see the team trying to move him, but not before something bad like that happens.
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If we are 0-6
Trade everyone so we definatly have a chance to grab Luck
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 10, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be ok with a player for player trade for Evans, if we could land a solid OT for Evans, to give us some depth.
by Orlandobillsfan on Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
Trade a stater for depth elsewhere?! I really hope it doesn’t come to this. If it’s a player-for-player trade, it needs to be a starting player.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to believe
any team would be “receiver needy” with Larry Fitzgerald in the fold.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Hey, someone has to catch the 393 of the 561 pass attempts that the Cardinals attempted that didn’t go at Fitzgerald. Especially since the players with the 2nd and 5th most receptions last year are gone.
I still don’t think Evans gets traded.
And yes, Fitzgerald was targeted 168 times last year but only ended up with 90 catches… says a lot about how bad their QB play was.
Derek Anderson says a lot about how bad their QB play was last year. He made a living playing the Bengals.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans for a 3rd and Skelton......I would be OK with that
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Might work...
Buddy used to watch Red Skelton. He likes familiar names. :-)
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I’d be so not okay with that trade. I’d prefer Gailey to figure out a way to involve Evans in his offense.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true....but if CHIX want to trade him, I think we would be getting pretty good value
You can get a starting player with the 3rd pick and Skelton is raw with a ton of potential.
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Except we already have a starting player (with “potential” to be more) and more QBs with potential than we can use. Right now and in the future, I would take Fitz and Thigpen over Skelton for sure and probably Smith too.
Are you saying we don't need anymore OTs?
Because you can usually get a very good RT among other positions with a high 3rd round pick? And Skelton has a lot more potential than any QB we have on the roster…..the guy has a cannon if I am remembering correctly.
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nice piece on Skelton
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-04-19-draft-quarterbacks-john-skelton_N.htm
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What have you done for me lately World
Evans would be gone tomorrow
Whats Lee Worth?
Let´s say you would like to trade Evans, what would be a fair price for him, a third, or a fourth rounder? I think we wouldnt get enougn for him.
What is enough?
His main threat is speed on the deep ball. If the opposing team doubles him he can’t get open. Probably any other team with a good offense he would be a #4 or #5 receiver.
Just noticed the picture.
Isn’t that the play that looked like borderline P.I. that wasn’t called. I know Evans was calling for it and he wasn’t happy about it. The DB (Ike Taylor I believe) got away with his hand on Evans back hip, and looked to have turned him a bit in the tunnel endzone on the away side of the field. The next play I believe was the attempted pass to Stevie that got tipped and intercepted by Polamalu. Go figure…
"‘Fight on my men,’ Sir Andrew said, ‘a little I’m hurt, but not yet slain.
I’ll just lie down and bleed a while then I’ll rise to fight again.’"
We need to score TD's
Lee is a fast guy, good hands, smart reciever who works hard and has tremendous talent. However, he has never scored more than 9TD’s in his career, which was actually his rookie year. Granted we havent had the best QB’s ever, but Stevie’s first year as a starter he put up 10TD’s. He gets open in the red zone and Lee does not; Lee can stretch the feild but cannot score. Wouldnt you rather have a guy lined up that is a threat to get in the endzone? if you look at #1 recievers from other teams, would they still be #1 if they put up 8,5,3,7,4 TD’s in the past five years?? Does anyone think maybe, just maybe, this is beind done because we need to score more points, and Lee is not a gamebreaker. Just a solid #2 guy in anyone else’s offense. If the Pats, Dolphins, Jets, Cardinal, Ravens, Broncos, or anyone else picked him up….would he be their #1 or #2?
Hey Buddy
part of the job description is to make the deal or not. Evans is your best receiver, but @ one of the two positions you you have depth to deal. Needs are?? Starting OT, starting OT, SS & whatever the coach thinks he needs.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Aug 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
If we keep giving away players at our deeper position, they lose their depth in a hurry.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
No doubt
but I’d deal a receiver or corner for an OT starter under 30.
"Alright Men, lets go out there, bust um in the chops & get somebody bloody. If your not a superstar you best be sweating that ass off. Take that W in battle & make the Bills Nation Proud."
by Blood, sweat & Win on Aug 10, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I know I have rubbed you the wrong way (have at it guys) in the past, so at the risk of seeming a kiss ass, that was an exceptionally well written article, even for you. rec’d
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parrish
i understand he had a great year last year until he got hurt but i think he lost value to this team with the brad smith signing. you could use smith or spiller as the punt returner and gailey has kept saying he wants to use evans on routes besides the deep ball. i would much rather have stevie and nelson on the outside with evans in the slot in 3 or more wr sets instead of roscoe. honestly i hope they get rid of neither, but if they chose to get rid of a vet receiver i would rather have it be roscoe.
i don't know
with his size and speed and the talent he has i could see him being able to move into the slot on occasion
by nickjangles on Aug 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things stick out to me....
1) Why would Tim Graham report this if it was untrue? Tim Graham has been a pretty solid source for inside information for some time. He’s not one to throw wild stories or rumors around, so to me what he’s saying has some merit.
2)
The reason the Bills were considering that route is because Evans was due a $1.5 million bonus once the new league year began.
HUH? $1.5 million in bonus money was THE factor for just releasing your starting #1 WR? That’s chump change. I’m sorry, I’m not buying that reasoning at all !
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Hypothetical Q:
Would you be happy with a trade of Lee Evans to Denver for Tim Tebow? It’s pretty widely accepted that Nix/Gailey has some desire to land him back in the draft and now that Gailey is all about the spread, could this be a valuable trade?
Leave your personal feelings on Tebow at the door, even concerning how you think he mechanically approaches the game. Given that he’s a spread offense’s dream, would trading Evans for him be a worthwhile developmental gamble?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
without a doubt
yes.
Like i said earlier, Lee isnt a TD scorer and doesnt move the chains on offense. I like Lee, but it wouldnt hurt to see him go.
Lee isnt a TD scorer and doesnt move the chains??
4 out of 7 seasons with 7 touchdowns or more, 5 out of 7 with 5 touchdowns or more.
43 total touchdowns in 7 seasons.
6 out of 7 seasons averaging 15 and 1/2 yards per catch – thats a man going vertical and moving the chains
43 touchdowns scored to only 4 times in 7 seasons turning the ball over
Never missed a game until last year
Annually his percentage of catches that go for first downs are between 60-73%, more often on the higher end of that scale.
40% (17) of his touchdowns have come in the redzone so hes not just a deep threat
30% (13) of his touchdowns have come when the game was neck and neck and the point differential was 7 points or less despite us rarely being in competitive games this decade.
Lee Evans is a TD scorer and he does move the chains despite rarely – if ever – having a QB who could support him
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by poz on Aug 10, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not for a #1 reciever
Look at my above post for lack of repeating myself, If he were to go to any other team would he be a #1 or #2?
Also how many #1 recievers havent put up double digit TD’s in 7 years? That is the main stat; granted the QB play is abysmal; but Stevie did it last year with the same QB Lee had.
I never said anything about him missing games or turning the ball over; just scoring. He doesnt do it with the frequency seen around the league, at the position and pay level he is at.
As for moving the chains, When we have a 3rd and 7 do you look for Lee to get the ball or Stevie, Roscoe or Donny? He isnt a Welkersque guy to get first downs, as he rarely runs routes over the middle of the field.
I like the guy i do, but what i am saying is his past performances wouldnt warrant a #1 WR spot on almost any other team in the NFL.
Stevie Johnson practiced with that quarterback for two years to get down timing and comfort. That makes a huge difference.
And yes, of course Lee would be a no.1 or no. 2 on another team. Jerricho Cotchery is considering signing with the Ravens because he would be given a chance to be their number 2. Jerricho Cotchery! Andre Roberts is the Cardinals number 2 right now. Danario Alexander in St. Louis. Look at the Raiders receiving corp. Not one of them would even touch Lee Evans as the number one. The 49ers just signed Braylon but I bet theyd prefer to have Lee Evans running with Michael Crabtree who is not so great himself. On the Patriots Lee would probably be a starter. In Jacksonville Lee Evans would hands down be the number 1 receiver over Mike Thomas. In Cleveland Lee Evans would be their immediate number 1 guy. In Tennessee he’d probably take over as the number 1 MAYBE number 2 if Kenny Britt cant get himself under control. In Washington hed be running with the first team. Put Lee Evans on the Texans and its good money hes bumping Kevin freaking Walter down the depth chart as the no. 2. In Minnesota Lee Evans probably takes the no. 1 receiver spot from Bernard Berrian. In Detroit Lee is immediately challenging to run with Calvin Johnson. On Miami he’d be running next to Brandon Marshall.
And while we are on Miami, they are a great example of what happens when you put a great receiver with a noodle-armed, hesitant, failing QB. He had 3 touchdowns last year.
Lee Evans would immediately be a no.1 or no.2 on a TON of NFL teams.
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by poz on Aug 10, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oops
I read that wrong. Still 17 Redzone Td’s in 7 seasons is a little over 2 a year….still not impressed.
Not sure how you can leave your feelings at the door on Tebow. If I don’t think he’s going to hack it as an NFL QB, then of course I don’t want to make the trade. If I think he’ll develop into a starting caliber player, then yes, the trade is worthwhile.
If the question becomes “would you trade Evans for someone who could become our starting QB in a year or two” then yes.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Well, too many people say over and over that he’ll never make it because his feet do this and that and his arm has an uncommon motion. That to me sounds more like someone who decides that vinegar on french fries is terrible simply because it’s not what they’re used to and it’s not common – not that it doesn’t work and can’t be good.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m more concerned that he is in a dogfight with Brady Quinn to be a backup (which obviously is related to his footwork, throwing motion, and inability to make reads).
Denver definitely has a messy situation at QB. 2 former 1st-round draft picks that aren’t able to beat out a solid-performing journeyman.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 10, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If we traded Lee, i’d like to see him go to the colts, or any team with a big armed QB, that would help him reach his potential. But I really don’t want him traded, The guy is a professional that has a lot to teach younger players. What do we have at WR, a bunch of young guys that have a lot to learn and have a chance at that with Lee evans around. I don’t get the reasoning behind the want to get rid of every productive veteran we have on this team, it seems counterproductive to me(but wtf do I know). Aside from all of that, I really think Lee could put up video game numbers if he was with a strong armed, accurate QB, and I’d bet my bottom dollar he would have more games like his 3TD game against baltimore.
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