poz's Pre-season Player Points
Over the next few weeks you are going to get a lot of observations, notes and reflections regarding the Bills in pre-season as we gear up for Year 2 with Chan the Man and the Amish Rifle. After the first game the feeling in my camp is that the starters impressed in the 1st quarter and the backup depth on offense was absolutely terrifying for the rest of the game. As you wade through all the notes and observations you will find that I'm going to have a lot to say regarding our favorite team. For a look at how the fellas looked in their first live action game as individuals, feel free to take the jump...
Fred Jackson: Fred Jackson looked crisp, efficient, and fresh running the football. Hands down looking like the most game ready player on the offensive side of the football.
On one run, the left side of the offensive line displayed true power against the defense allowing Fred to show off a quick and quite explosive cut.
On another run, Fred showed off an excellent stiff arm, using technique and power to remove himself from a Bears defender on an outside run and move unhindered for a good, long first down pickup.
Shawne Merriman: Easily the best player on the field, period, for both teams. Shawne Merriman looked like he was not 70%, not 80%, but 100% back to Lights Out form and it was impressive.
Shawne should have registered three sacks on the day but was so humiliating the left tackle that he blatantly held him on an easy would be sack. This effort by Merriman may not have registered on the stat sheet as a sack but was a wonderful previewof how disruptive he can be - a flag was thrown against the offense and his move allowed rookie Marcell Dareus to grab himself an athletic clean up sack. Loved this play.
Now here's the really good news fellas - Merriman's two sacks came with his hand in the dirt lined up as a 4-3 defensive end! He looked fantastic in the 4-3 lined up at end. I mean, looking like a real terror at DE fantastic. On one play he used great burst and aggression to get to the QB and followed that up on the very next play with a huge sack in which he celebrated by fist pumping and giving what looked like a half "Lights Out" move. I know he said he won't do it again but this was close and I hope he does it in the regular season. Awesome. Lights Out, as many of us have hoped, can instantly make this defense scary if he can return to form. Lets hope this continues. Lights Out Baby!!
Marcell Dareus: In addition to the aforementioned sack above, Marcell looked not only powerful but incredibly quick when breaking up a pocket that Jay Cutler was trying to get comfortable in on a different play.
Against the run, Marcell stuffed the RB on a big play in which - while he failed to get a push against the defensive lineman, he didn't get pushed himself and held his ground to grab a bear claw on the runner and pull him down.
Marcell looked great at times, looked incredibly athletic at others, looked average from time to time, but overall showed off the power, quickness, and suddeness that leaves a fan thinking he could be a real difference maker in this league. The instant upgrade to our running game is obvious. What I hope continues against a better offensive line than the Bears is the boon he gave to our passing game. He was disruptive - same key word I used to described Merriman and something this defense has missed for a while.
Terrence McGee: It was really good to have Terrence McGee back out there and he right away reminded me why I love him so much as a player. On a running play that looked disturbingly similar to many against the Bills defense last year - Chris Kelsay over-pursues, the RB cuts back in the other direction, entire defense is out of position, runner looking like he can go 25 yards - McGee sniffs out the runner on a great angle that he took to the ball carrier and makes a nice tackle to bring him down and out of bounds for only a 3 yard gain. This guy makes us better when he's in.
Demetrius Bell: As expected, he looked like a great athlete at times and made some nice plays and then looked over-powered and a major liability in pass protection at others. I have been savaged repeatedly for saying this but once again he showed me that I am not crazy - Demetrius Bell is a great run blocker and a terrible pass protector. Fans like to think otherwise because we're told he's "athletic" but if you watch the plays I think it's clear what his strength and what his weaknesses are.
On a screen play, Bell is sent into the second level and while the play was ugly - either out of poor running, poor design, or poor execution I'm not sure - Bell moved impressively and looked great moving in space and getting himself in position to remove defenders from the play.
On the very next play, in true Bell fashion though, he got owned in pass protection to disrupt the flow of the offense.
On a running play to the left, Bell shows off impressively quick feet, churning to push the defender back on a nice run block.
On another passing play, Demetrius is tasked with pass blocking Vernon Gholston (yes, that Vernon Gholston) and allows him to push him back and then jump up to get a hand on a throw to tip the ball. This can't happen against that level of talent for Bell.
On a CJ Spiller reception that netted a first down, Bell displays how he struggles against a power rush getting blown back by the defender and literally knocked on his butt.
On a following pass play Bell gives an excellent block to beautifully seal his edge and buy the passer time to make a throw. Unfortunately a David Nelson offensive pass interference negates anything.
Andra Davis / Nick Barnett: I was pleading, openly, for the Bills to sign former Miami Dolphin Channing Crowder fearing that the Bills lacked a physical presence at ILB. The other night Andra looked very good, physical and he looked big. He played that way too. I thought it was an encouraging showing for the veteran.
Nick Barnett looked fast on the field, moving fluidly. And he displayed more burst and block-shedding than we normally got used to with Posluszny on an inside blitz that got him to the QB. The problem, however, was that unlike Posluszny he didn't wrap up the ball carrier and bring him down when he should have. Cutler easily side-stepped Barnett and then took off up the field for a first down. This is the kind of play that can change momentum and cost you losses, Barnett has to make the play. Encouragingly, he continued to chase Cutler all the way down until the whistle and was visible furious at himself. At least it was a play he knows he should make and was upset at himself for whiffing on.
Kellen Heard / Michael Jasper : As a community we have discussed quite a bit how a roster spot will come down to Heard or fan favorite Michael Jasper. If last night is any indication, Heard is - as of now - winning that battle by a mile. Heard was disruptive both against the run and the pass. Heard collapsed the pocket on one play that netted the Bills one of their nine sacks - even though he didn't make the play, once again a Bill defensively was disruptive enough to make it all happen.
On another play, Heard got some nice push and than put his arms up to swat a pass at the line of scrimmage. Nice power and awareness from the young man.
On a running play later in the game Kellen Heard makes a great tackle to stuff the runner and then follows it up a few plays later with a beautiful sack that results in a forced fumble.
My eyes showed me a Jasper that is not ready but can be at some point. He is obviously massive but he needs to get better push. He looked strong however and I thought had pretty fine technique considering his college background on both lines. He got washed out of some running plays that caught me a bit off guard considering his size but he also had an impact whenever a runner moved in his direction based on his size alone.
Kraig Urbik / Erik Pears: This combination, if it doesn't provide a better showing than last night, is going to be a source of many this teams offensive struggles in 2011. The Urbik/Pears right side of hte line was killing runs on Saturday and they got owned, plain and simple.
On one run the defensive lineman got entirely into Pears' body, took complete control of the matchup and drove himself and Pears laterally for a few yards until the defender got completely in the ball carriers path to make the stop for no gain.
On a CJ Spiller run Kraig Urbik got blasted by his matchup, yes blasted, to result in a complete stuffing of CJ.
On a great screen play later in the game, that was designed very well to convert a third down, a dump to CJ Spiller saw him in position to turn upfield for a big chunk of space with Eric Wood and Kraig Urbik well up the field to provide him protection. The only Bear that seemed to have a chance to prevent this play from blowing open was Brian Urlacher and he had to get through two Bills. Sadly, first Eric Wood whiffed completely and then Kraig Urbik failed entirely to slow down Urlacher. This play embodies who unfair this offensive line is to CJ Spiller's potential. From what I've seen since he joined the team, there is an explosive, game changing runner doing all the right things but getting no help from his blockers. Fred Jackson is built to manage in those circumstances, all CJ needs is a proper block or two to spring him for huge gains. One hat on Urlacher and CJ is going for six potentially.
Danny Batten: At one point I asked my buddy "who is that guy?" before reminding myself that Danny Batten is back. And man, he looked good out there. He was fluid and his body has this length to it that seems to allow him to stretch to make plays you wouldn't expect. I thought he was great in terms of being in the right place and moving well on the field. Just look to the stat sheet to see his impact on the game. Considering the situation at linebacker on this team, I think Danny Boy should get a shot to show his stuff with the 1s at some point in pre-season. He was that good.
Brad Smith: Looking every bit like the playmaker he was signed to be, I think he can be a fine third QB - maybe second - and was a very wily signing by Buddy Nix. This guy will be used everywhere and he should. He looks as fun to watch as he was on the Jets.
Aaron Williams: "Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!!"
The Dumb and Dumber quote above defines Aaron Williams night. Four notable plays stuck out to me.
1. Aaron Williams saves the special teams coverage unit from a touchdown. After Johnny Knox burns everyone and looks set for six, Williams hustles on the play and never gives up, racing to take out Knox's legs after a big gain and saving six. Great hustle and good to see from the young man.
2. Aaron Williams get burned deep on a huge pass that puts Chicago in good field position. He needs to run better with his man here when he goes across the field but in his defense, he also needed better safety help from rookie Searcy that just never materialized. Still, not good coverage from Williams.
3. The very next play Aaron Williams gets called for a pass interference on a route in which he was badly burned. I mean badly. Burned as in, Williams had no chance to stay with his man when he turned inside then quickly cut it back outside so he reached to bear hug the WR in order to prevent the huge play but was so badly turned around he failed to wrap up and ended up falling on his face. Puts the Bears in scoring range.
4. Sometimes, I like to pat myself on the back so I'll go ahead and do that here. I turned to my buddy and said, Aaron Williams has single-handedly put this team in position to get scored on and let the Bears move 50 yards in seconds, watch, he HAS to make a big play to redeem himself. Ok self patting over. Time to praise Aaron Williams. The dude TOTALLY REDEEMS himself. On a play that was so Troy Polamalu-esqu you might believe it was him, Aaron Williams gets incredible vertical on a pass directed at a man in front of him. He leaps up, allows himself to get a hand over the WR to tip the ball. Lands and then dives out to make an interception on his own tipped ball. Fellas, if that was an indication of his ability, this kid has potential to be a serious playmaker. It was the best play of the game.
Overall, Williams showed grit, hustle, speed, athleticism, and toughness to bounce back and come up big. But he also showed he was raw in coverage. A work in progress but might be a fast riser. I like the way he plays already.
Alex Carrington: So there goes the notion that he was at OLB just for one practice huh? He was there often on Saturday. And, as he did in his limited action last season, he looked dominant. His combination of size, athleticism, and burst is simply awesome. I really don't like the idea of him at OLB but he looked very comfortable and good playing out of that position. At one point, Carrington made a beautiful sack by overwhelming the blocker with his combination of speed and power. Count me as a believer in Carrington. I think he will be a player for this team.
Besides his sack, Carrington looked very good throughout the night, displaying strength across his reps.
Miscellaneous:
The backup offensive line literally can't stop anyone in run blocking or pass blocking. ANYONE. It is very scary. Considering how badly the starters looked, this is very discouraging stuff.
Mansfield Wrotto and Cordaro Howard, two men hoped to compete for starting jobs, were some of the biggest disappointments of the night not named Urbik. They were supposed to show something and showed nothing. They got beat routinely and badly.
Scott Chandler had a bad drop in the first quarter but also made some plays thereafter. This team needs better talent at tight end but if there is a guy who should be starting its definitely Chandler. Great size on that tight end too.
No one stepped up and made me take notice as a guy to become the no. 2 WR. I thought it was obvious that he missed Lee Evans but its still early. Stevie needs help and no one made it happen. Of course, no QB had time to throw all night, especially Levi Brown. This offensive line is our biggest handicap hands down. I've been screaming for upgrades there because I believe this team has talent to be a winning club if it just had some time to do anything. Nothing develops on the offense in the run or the pass because of poor blocking routinely.
Buster Davis dropped a pass that would have been a first and looked sloppy on his routes.
Spencer Johnson had a nice tip of a pass at the line and followed that up with a great sack. Spencer is a great veteran presence on this team.
Antonio Coleman moved well upon contact from a blocker and showed some good stuff.
Johnny White looks solid and would do better with real blocking, just like CJ Spiller.
Final Thoughts: The defensive unit were the stars last night and deserve to be praised for a great effort all around.
Helped their causes: Shawne Merriman, Marcell Dareus, Kellen Heard, Danny Batten, Fred Jackson
Hurt their causes: Kraig Urbik, Erik Pears, Mansfield Wrotto, Cordaro Howard
Where was he? : Donald Jones
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Read
Loved everything you had to say. Great insight to the team. I’m looking forward to reading more of what you have to say.
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Aug 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thank you for the kind words SanDiego, its appreciated
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on the heard jasper
the bills have heard listed as a left defensive end and jasper a the third nt
they may be keeping both?
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/depth-chart.html
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
good catch Gpluehri
nice find! Makes you wonder, if by moving Carrington around at OLB, and sliding Heard around they are indeed trying to keep both. Personally, I would like them to. Especially after what Heard showed on Saturday.
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most defiantly
i would love to see both of them this defense has gotten bigger stronger and more physical
im loving what nix gailey and edwards are doing horizons almost there
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
after seeing that game, i have no idea how they could find a spot for jasper on the team. hes no where near an NFL level player yet, it would be a completely wasted roster spot.
i think heard suddenly has the inside track to make the backend of the roster. his combination size, burst, and physicality is tough to ignore, and hes 10x the player jasper is right now
true jasper is no where starting material but what he is good at is straight forward rushing
and would be very helpful in the goal line and short yardage defense a waste of a spot no especially when we had mccargo and maybin holding spots
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
they were holding spots last season, this season the bills are much more talented in the defensive front 7. mccargo and maybin riding the bench all of last season in no way justifies having jasper do it this season in my opinion…
and i flat out disagree with u on “very helpful in goal line/short yardage”… i did not see the burst or the leverage from him to convince me of that at all. as poz said right below me tho, hes got 3 games to improve. i personally dont think thats nearly enough time
besides the fact that id consider him a wasted roster spot at this point, i hate the idea of keeping jasper on the active roster because, unlike last season, the bills would have to let a darn good young football player walk out the door in order to do it. because again, the backend of our roster is a whole lot better than it was in 2010.
Who can say, or not say, that Jasper might be a future “darn good young football player?”
I agree that he may not make the final cut. But I sure hope he is signed to our practice squad.
A year in our program, OTAs, etc, he could really explode on the NFL next year.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 17, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jasper will probably get 3 more preseason
games to make his case (I cant see him missing the first cut) so he has to do something more because like you, I think Heard has given himself inside track in the roster battle.
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Keeping both would be great!
Even though Jasper is raw as two week old eggs, there is no denying his presence on the football field. He influenced several running plays just by occupying two blockers and impeding the runners vision and running lanes.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
More insight into the right side?
I didn’t get to watch here in NYC. How did Hangartner and Hairston look?
from my understanding
I didnt see Hairston get in the game and Hangartner played strictly center. Of course, I could be mistaken about that as this write up consists of just one live watch of the game but that was my understanding
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
Great write-up, but be more patient with the o-line
Poz, your evals of various players coincided almost exactly with mine for the most part, and I’m as hopeful as you apparently are. But I would counsel more patience with the o-line. It’s the unit that absolutely depends on cohesiveness and coordination to operate effectively, and as a result it takes a little extra time to develop each year. All NFL o-lines tend to look shaky in the first couple of preseason games. That’s especially true when you have two new starters, as we do on the right-hand side. Also, on that screen pass attempt where Urbik looked bad, it’s important to remember that Urlacher wasn’t his assignment. He moved over to cover Urlacher after Eric Wood slipped on the bad turf, but wasn’t able to shift gears in time. I wouldn’t hold that particular play against him.
However, I agree completely about the second-string o-line and that does worry me a lot. It apparently worried Chan as well, since he went out of his way to call them out for bad play. Hairston of course did not play due to a minor injury, so perhaps he can help make us more optimistic about the reserves once he gets back. And though I never thought I would be writing this, I didn’t see any major problems from Ed Wang. Did you? I know he is bigger; perhaps he is finally getting better in technique as well.
Glad to see you appreciated Batten. If you recall I have had the impression that he could be a very pleasant surprise this year, and so far that’s looking as though it will be the case. And the decision to move Carrington to OLB is a stroke of genius. Was that Wannstadt’s idea? My instinct tells me that Wannstadt is going to make a huge difference in how our D plays in 2011.
One quick fact check: it was Donald Jones who got called for offensive pass interference, not David Nelson.
It’s the unit that absolutely depends on cohesiveness and coordination to operate effectively, and as a result it takes a little extra time to develop each year. All NFL o-lines tend to look shaky in the first couple of preseason games
Thats a good point and its wise advice to try and remembe that of all the units, the o-line will likely struggle the most early. I just get jealous when I watch the Texans on Monday Night, and in their first live action Matt Schaub is getting a pocket that literally he could stand in for 7 seconds and still feel less pressure than Fitzpatrick would in half the time. Did you watch that game? It was a thing of beauty to watch their offensive line control the line of scrimmage so well. Of course, as you pointed out, we have new starters and they have seasons worth of playing time together which probably plays a big role. I will keep this in mind as the preseason unfolds.
And good note on Ed Wang! I didnt even notice that I had nothing to say negatively about his play. Now that you mention it, I really didnt see any major problems from him. Encouraging?
How could I not appreciate Batten? The guy looked fantastic. I think your call on him looks good so far. The guy played great and I liked how he looked in space and with contact. Very impressive.
One quick fact check: it was Donald Jones who got called for offensive pass interference, not David Nelson.
Thanks for the check, I did only watch it through once so fact checks are always appreciated.
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
Great write-up, poz
I agree with just about everything. I’m not completely overly concerned with Urbik and Pears, because I think that they will get better as the off season wears on (or replaced by Hang, in Urbik’s case). But the depth along OL is atrocious, and you have every reason to be scared in my opinion. I’m scared. Scared like stocking up on canned goods scared.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Do you think Hangartner can step in and play right Guard?
Urbik looked lost out powered and lost out there. Just a thought.. Let em know what you think
In Ralph we trust
Im not sure
mostly because Hangartner hasnt played enough at guard for me to establish a strong opinion but I do think he can certainly do better. Urbik was, in my opinion, the guy who hurt his case the most last night. I think Hangartner or Rinehart should get a chance to show they can do better throughout the preseason, especially a respected vet like Hangman.
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
Great read man.
But I think the oline will get better the more they play together.
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Great breakdown.
Bell: He didn’t attract attention despite Peppers being on the field. Might be a work in progress. But I’m still optimistic. Look no further than Chicago’s LT to see that we have something to work with in Bell. You just are too cruel to the guy sometimes for a relatively clean game.
in true Bell fashion though, he got owned in pass protection
It’s hard not to stick up for the fella. He can’t win if he’s the definition of getting owned in pass protection.
I understand the perspective that Im too hard on him
but from my perspective, people are too gentle with him. I see a guy handed a starting gig for two years who hasnt earned it. His career has been anything but cruel.
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
He shouldn’t have been forced into the starting job two years ago. That was cruel to just about everyone involved, including Bell. If the gameplan is right, it sounds like you think he will be a good run blocker out in space. Maybe this speaks well to the screen game they have in the works.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
a few notes on your notes
Aaron Williams
It was the best play of the game.
Yes. “Troy Polamalu-esq” is a perfect way to describe that play.
Admission time: I really wanted Kaepernick for that pick, but after watching both players in their brief showing so far, I think I was wrong.
D Bell
You are consistent in your concern about Bell, and I might add that you try to be fair in your assessment. I don’t disagree with anything you said.
However, my training as an O-lineman and O-line coach at the high school level tells me that Bell has the feet and hands that I choose over dominant strength for his position. YES he gets bullrushed, but he’s also showing progression in his ability to “steer” those bullrushes. He took J Peppers right out of the play at least once by using his arms and hips to steer the power coming at him. That’s more valuable than a brickhouse that can stand-up a bullrush, but has a hard time with stunts and direction changes. I like his athletic stance and the Z in the knee. He’s got tools and I see why the coaching staff believe in him.
None of that is saying he doesn’t deserve your criticism in this post.
D LINE as a unit
K-wrex was doubled every play he was in, and Dareus was either doubled or left unblocked in an effort to avoid him. Edwards was shedding and holding very well. To know those guys have reserves in S Johnson and Troup sounds great and looked good in Chicago.
A Carrington
Just a brute force at OLB. Too strong for most NFL tackles. The only problem is he looked like a statue at times as Barber and Taylor ran right past his contain. I’ll say it now though…he could do more than Kelsay very soon. Not as versatile, but triple the power.
rec’d
It's simple, but it aint easy. *2
thanks for the rec
and I didnt know you were also an o-line coach. You should give us some indepth analysis on their play some time, Undee, I’d love to read it!
And good eye on K-wrex, he was getting doubled. And reserves like Spencer make me very comfortable
The bandwagon will be full and fast and drunk and exciting - Undee
If we didn’t have Ron, I’d consider stepping up to that role. But I love his grading system and thorough breakdowns.
It's simple, but it aint easy. *2
as do I (I think Ron's analysis is the best on the Bills o-line period)
still, as someone who never played on the line, I always love to learn as much as I can about technique from the intelligent community here.
When you get a chance, maybe you could watch Andy Levitre closely for me. I cant seem to get a read on how good the guy really is and I’d be curious what you think about him.
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Due to the Rhinehart move, I took a look at him in the preseason game and was kind of shocked at how he struggled, given how consistent he’s been historically. It might be the nature of the offense, but he really whiffed on a number of second level assignments that hurt us. It wasn’t as obvious as the infamous Melton/Urbik match-up, but it was much more frequent, and may have had a great negative impact in yards in total. Solid in straight-up pass protection.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
now that you mention it
it really does hahaha
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Carrington
So there goes the notion that he was at OLB just for one practice huh?
There also goes the notion these coaches shouldn’t be fooling around with players out of position….
Eh, I still think Moats should have stayed outside. But I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt for now, on all position changes :)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
im with stetz
Id love to see that kind of production down on the line but maybe the coaches are just trying to get the most talent on the field no matter what. Id still prefer not to put in a 300+ pounder at OLB. Eventually teams will get enough film to exploit him. But there is no denying his skill. Carrington is hands down my favorite backup d-lineman
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Heard
Totally agree. I really didn’t see Jasper doing much when he was out there. I know we like to talk about Jasper, but he really was just a guy out there when I was watching him. Heard got after it. Jasper might be a fan favorite, but if someone else is gonna make the team, Heard can contribute. Hopefully we can stash JAsper on the PS and he can refine…
Jasper
If I’m not mistaken, Jasper was the one who forced the interception by A Williams? Please orrect me if I’m wrong.
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Aug 15, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
youre not he took the center 7 yards deep
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
I wouldnt credit Jasper with ‘forcing’ that interception. If it hadn’t been for an insane play by Williams, it probably would have been a reception. He contributed on the play, but generally Heard was pushing the pocket and runinng after players. Jasper just looks slow to react to eh play outside of push forward.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Gpluehri
Jasper pushed the center back into the QB, which pressured him into making a late throw. The tight end was initially open when he first made his break, Williams recovered in time to make a play on the ball. Without Jasper’s efforts, who knows what would have happened. The lame announcers from Chicago mentioned that, even though they rarely said who any of the Buffalo players were.
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I guess i dont call that forcing the interception — the ball was thrown late, but pretty much to the hands of the TE.. Either way, I agree he mattered on the play. BUT, it doesn’t change my opinion that all in Heard looked to be more effective (Against guys higher up on the depth chart).
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not
Heard was a man on a mission in that game, and it would surprise me if he fails to make the team. Jasper was trying to figure out what to do. It’s tough on the big guy, trying to make a pro team playing a position he hasn’t played in three years.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the coaching staff felt he should be carried on the roster in the regular season and tossed in for occasional short yardage and goal line plays. If we see this in practice or pre-season then I would suspect they will keep him on the roster.
I focused on watching him whenever he was in, and at times it was comical watching the Bears struggle to deal with him. His biggest weakness at the moment is his balance. If you get him moving laterally he becomes off balance and easy to push around.
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Heard Too....
If he keeps it up, he’ll get playing time in week one. Very impressive I thought. Excellent jump off the snap and the size and strength of a real he-man.
I was hoping a nobody would jump out, and he really did. Good, we’re gunna need him.
Keep it up Kellen Heard!
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PodunkO - The great post ender!
do you think we can get away with Jasper on PS grey?
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You can always try. We usually have the option to elevate right? Numbers wise we may have to do it. If someone tries to sign him we bump him up. He just looks raw to me. Big and in the way, but rarely involved in the ACTUAL play. He seems slow to disengage and follow the action. IT just feels like he needs to be groomed A LOT.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Moats/White
Any observations on Moats/White at ILB?
sort of
right off the bat, I didnt like how “demoted” Moats seemed to be. He was out there running with the backups deep into the game. Chris White looks like he is a hammer on the field and actually moves a bit better than one might expect. Moats, when playing with the deep reserves was very clearly on a much higher level than the guys he was on the field with. He was also playing a lot of special teams which I didnt appreciate much either.
I hate to say it but I am becoming concerned that Moats is losing an OLB job because of salary numbers not because of merit. When they give Kelsay a huge contract I suppose they want him to play. I just hope Moats is overlooked.
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IF he is actually gonna get a lot of work at ILB, they need to get him as many reps as possible. Batten didn’t make me miss him at OLB though. Coleman even seemed to be alright. Maybe they know its crowded there. I mean, can you imagine at the end of the season if we are ‘crowded’ at OLB? Ah, I can dream.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job Poz
I appreciate your consistent and well thought out posts and comments!
Rec’d
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
thanks dnvr! I appreciate the kind words
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Maybe they are grooming Carrington to replace Kelsay
by Winnie33 on Aug 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
they might be
but I would hope they are preparing Moats to be an OLB and grooming Carrington to replace Edwards.
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excellent write-up. agreed with almost every word.
no mention of chris white dropping like 40 yards into deep center field and demolishing that receiver? one of the plays of the game i thought. 250lb backer got very deep to cover a go route and looked like a free safety doing so
he dropped nicely on that play
that was something that stuck out and it as his ability to move that caught my eye almost as much as the hit. I didnt expect White to show us that kind of mobility.
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poz.....
Great size on that tight end too.
I thought you were talking about Beyonce!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I actually cant believe that got away without a joke for this long now that I think about it!
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Danny Batten: At one point I asked my buddy "who is that guy?"
No joke. He looked pretty good for a little didn’t he?
I also like Carrington. A lot.
Maybe Buddy isn’t so dumb as a few folks on here seem to think. Those are a couple of players that have a lot of potential. And I don’t mean the future.
I mean this season on a rotational basis.
Thanks Poz!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 15, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
Buddy is not dumb thats for sure
he has an eye for talent that has stocked our roster with lots of youngsters that are encouraging for the future. I definitely disagree with him on philosophy when it comes to roster priorities but there is no one right way to do things. Fact is, I like this Bills team a lot and the players on it. Hes doing something right.
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by poz on Aug 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poz...
I think you nailed it. Some of us can disagree on Buddy’s philosophy, but not his eye for talent,
There is more young talent on this roster than I ever imagined.
Puzzled
I think you nailed it. Some of us can disagree on Buddy’s philosophy, but not his eye for talent,
There is more young talent on this roster than I ever imagined.
Which makes the situation with the offensive line even more puzzling. Nix has a great eye for talent. He has brought in quality talent for the LBs and the DBs, the WR and th DL. So when I look at the offensive line I have to scratch my head and say WTF?
I guess we just have to wait and see what develops. In CHIX we trust!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Very Good Post
It’s informative, informational and entertaining, with enough insight to make us think -even if we disagree with some of the points.
Good job. Keep it up.
McGee and Aaron Williams
I was surprised when I read that Gailey was having McGee practice in the slot. However it started to make a little more sense after I read Antoine Winfield’s interview with profootballfocus.com . In it he said that he would be playing more in the slot and that he liked playing there because you are more involved on passing and running plays. He said that you act more like a linebacker on running plays. Based on that, I believe Gailey’s thinking is that McGee is an asset at defending the run and might use him to blitz on passing downs. As far as Williams getting beat for those two long passes, I believe I heard Kelso on the radio state that Aaron Williams was caught looking at the quarterback and the receiver sensed it and put a move on him. He also stated that it was something that he had problems with in training camp and that he needed to or was working on it.
interesting
that would be a great notion by George Edwards and Gailey considering that we have corners who can all use playing time and that McGee is one of the savviest and smartest of the bunch. He is an asset against the run and is as reliable as corners come. Plus, he has the quickness (yes, he still does) to run in the slot with whomever.
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Great writeup poz
I agree with just about everything you said. Especially the part about the WR’s and how none of them stepped up to help their cause or create any sort of seperation from their competitors. One guy needs to take control of his own destiny and just decide, look I’m in control of my own fate and I WANT THAT JOB. I have been given an amazing opportunity and need to rise to the occasion because I may never get another chance like this again. Same could be said for the right side of the offensive line as you pointed out as well. Bother Urbik and Pears need to step up and prove why they want the spot and should be starting. It was great to see some guys step up and show us something too though. For once it wasn’t all negative in a Bills game and this defense is showing us some signs of life, now it’s the offenses turn.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Agreed
I would say that, so far, Roosevelt is stepping up the most of the WR’s under Stevie and Roscoe.
by ChuckBuffInFlo on Aug 16, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pulling for Roosevelt to win the starting WR2 job
he certainly has a shot, just like the other WR’s he needs to step up and take charge of the situation. May the best man win.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
right!
Im still waiting to see who that guy is, though Im sure mentally the young guys are a bit off considering Evans was released just a day before. Im curious to see if Jones gets another opportunity or if Gailey lets Nelson run with the 1s next Saturday.
Part of the reason I was so disappointed with Wrotto and Howard is that neither played like they could smell a job opening. They both looked pretty bad and that has to be discouraging.
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The sad thing about that is
those were 2 guys that Gailey went out of his way to get last year and were starting for us for at least a couple games last year as well. We need to see some sort of confidence from this group and desire because even if Pears or Urbik win the jobs they are 1 injury away from playing full time and if you don’t have any confidence in yourself or your play, I don’t think there’s any way you can be successful or have a QB trust you with protecting him.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Speechless, all this after one preseason game and ten days of offseason team work.
I believe there were smaller glimpses of success on the 1st team offense than what is getting recognized. For one out of the nine plays the offensive line did put together a drive to get us into scoring postion and a field goal. Yet the miscommunication on the Fitz pass to David Nelson is ignored. There was plenty of time to make that throw provided by the 1st team O-Line. You make an awful lot of assumption based on your opinion from before the game yet point out Urbik not picking up Woods guy on that one “Urbik blown play”. Yet Wood doesn’t get blasted for slipping or losing his footing. There needs to be equal criticism for all lineman when evaluating them and less emphasis on proving a point of yours when the majority is in agreement that the O-Line is still a work in progress and a progress that is far better than a year ago. You can make these points after the game but you can’t reference your opinion from prior to the game as I told you so. We are not going to develop any all pros this season on the offensive line, but we very well could develop an upgrade over last season and to suggest that you have saying all along that we need to do something here is off base. We are not going to go out and buy every big name free agent or draft every big OL in the draft each year to satisfy these upgrades. Eventually that might happen but to date it hasn’t and it may not until the next draft or even the one after that. Tons of patience is needed Poz, there is nothing wrong with Coaches coaching, players developing, and putting things together on game day to measure ones efforts. Ya know even Jason Peters gets abused, even Jake Long gets abused and neither of those players make that huge of a difference. I suggest you set a bench mark of what players we have and thier efforts and watch them develop over the season, then compare that opinion to where we are next year. One preseason game and nine plays by the offensive line and the only 1s team offense to sustain any resemblence of a drive out of the two teams is actually okay at this point.
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We all need to get away from defending old assertions when making evaluations. It shades things. Like “I thought it was obvious that he missed Lee Evans but its still early.” How is it obvious after one preseason game? Chicago didn’t change their gameplan for the first preseason game, he was traded 24 hours before. I also don’t think our gameplan changed. We were going this direction on offense whether the was at receiver or not. 2 drives a FG in rpeseason game 1. Nothing is obvious.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
come on grey, I wrote hundreds of words to share my observations from the pre-season week 1, I hope Im not held to task for a couple of word selections :). I did say it was "still early" didnt I?
Guys, Im not out with some hidden agenda. Im just a fan writing on what I saw from one pre-season game. No more, no less.
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My bad.
Okay, sorry, I didn’t mean to just provide the example from this piece. It really didn’t come out as well balanced as I thought. Let’s separate the issue which is, we all have priors we look to confirm. For example, if I don’t notice Bell I confirm a prior he is getting better. That being said, I REALLY WASNT PAYING ATTENTION. Meanwhile, if I paid attention, I made take issue with things that I wouldn’t otherwise in the flow of the game, so do they matter? So thats something its hard for any of else to deal with. But I respect the time you took to analyze specific plays. And I believe what happened happened. It felt a bit defensive in construction, and I think that just primes people one way or the other from the get go. But I didn’t mean to suggest you were being dishonest or improper.
Separately, I am skeptical what we can tell about Lee’s departure. There has always been the intangible he brought to the field which was that he opened up other receivers. But this is hard to see and quantify (in my opinion). SO I didn’t know if there was something specific or if it was just a general sense. I just think its’ gonna take some live action before we can get our heads around that.
by greysquirrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you are way off base and seemed to miss the point of my post Van
I was not out to prove a point or provide some kind of “I told you so”. But it does seem you approached my post with a pre-conceived notion of what you expected from me and this led you to perceive it as so. This seems to be highlighted by the fact that you respond solely to my observations on the offensive line….
Speechless, all this after one preseason game
Well, yes. The point of the post was to provide my observations from the first pre-season game.
point out Urbik not picking up Woods guy on that one "Urbik blown play". Yet Wood doesn’t get blasted for slipping or losing his footing.
Please go back and re-read my caption on this play. I do not call it an “Urbik blown play” and Wood does get blasted, I say in quotes that he whiffed on the play. I do not single out Urbik on that play at all. And part of the reason I had a section for Urbik and not for Wood is that Wood has been there and done that and we come to know that one play does not define his starting chances. Urbik on the other hand, is indeed playing for a job, and has no history upon which to draw upon. If you read that play again I do not single out Urbik.
And how come it is that you ask me to tone down my observations regarding the offensive line following the pre-season game (though the point of observing is to say what you actually saw) yet you dont voice an issue with my observations that Shawne Merriman looked like old Lights Out or that Marcell Dareus was a beast or that Demetrius Bell is a great run blocker? Is this because those observations are positive, and thus acceptable to your pre-conceived notions while my other ones are negative and thus unacceptable?
Please do not read too much into this. This post is exactly what the title said it would be. My player observations from the first preseason game. I contemplated adding a paragraph at the end as a disclaimer that these observations are obviously not intended to be defining statements on these players and that my comments are the result of what was on the field from one pre-season game but I thought it was self-evident from the nature of the post. Most of the commenters seemed to appreciate that.
What kind of “I told you so” would I be looking for after one pre-season game? That would be a bit pre-mature no? I think you are looking for things that are not here.
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by poz on Aug 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agree on some and disagree on others
With Carrington – he needs to learn to squeeze better – too many times did I see him holding the point like he was suppose to but there is a gaping hole (go for it) that could result in easy cutback runs. He needs to squeeze his man and pinch him down the line better but much better than last year.
On Merriman – he never tried a speed rush which I found interesting – maybe he wasn’t working on it or lost a step or was trying to maintain contain – all possibilities but I never saw him just try and beat Webb with speed – something to keep an eye on.
Maybe Merriman realized he could bull rush the guy into the Qb ?
by cencalclassics on Aug 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good read, glad to see the loss of your namesake hasen’t spoiled the season for you. Love your optimism, I’m tired of the Nix bashing, Morons don’t usually get jobs as gms in the NFL.
As far as the OL goes, I think it will get help next draft, It can’t be helped much at this point, most FAs are signed and trades aren’t much of an option. The coaches see the problems so i’m not terribly concerned about it. Guys will get replaced and cut that deserve it.
cencal....
Morons don’t usually get jobs as gms in the NFL.
I beg to differ. Tom Donahoe was a GM wasn’t he- LOL.
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by Byrdeputt on Aug 16, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, yeah good point, but he was one of the best for the Steelers. Add Matt Millen to that moron list
by cencalclassics on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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