Bills Training Camp: 53-Man Roster Projection, Take Two
by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT
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PrintA lot has changed for the Buffalo Bills since I made my first 53-man roster projection of the season last week. Lee Evans was traded, Aaron Maybin was waived, at least two players (Alex Carrington and Josh Nesbitt) have (sort of) switched positions, and a pre-season game is in the bag.
After the jump, I'll highlight the notable changes (there aren't many) and unveil the second iteration of the projection. You're free to offer your own projections, or merely your objections, in the comments section.
Here's a quick rundown of the notable changes to the team over the past week, and a final note on the toughest players to cut:
- With Evans out of the picture, it's very clear that Donald Jones has become the favorite to take his spot in the starting lineup. That's reflected here accordingly. Also, with Evans gone, Marcus Easley sneaks onto the final roster as a sixth receiver.
- I've axed a third tight end, for two reasons: they don't currently have a third that's proven himself worthy of a roster spot, and I needed the extra roster spot for a defensive lineman...
- ... that lineman being Lionel Dotson. With the team giving Alex Carrington most of his reps at outside linebacker (for whatever reason), it now seems likely that they'll open the season with seven defensive linemen. Dotson easily beats out Michael Jasper for that honor.
- Once again, Chad Rinehart was one of the final cuts, and a player I tried to find a place for. I just don't think he's versatile enough to keep, particularly since they'll keep Chris Hairston on the roster as a developmental prospect. If Rinehart's going to stick, he'll need to beat out Kraig Urbik.
- The other final cut was Buster Davis, who I still consider the seventh receiver thanks to the level of investment made in Easley and the very strong pre-season being put together by Naaman Roosevelt. Now Davis is hurt, too, which won't help his cause.
| Pos. | # | Starter | # | Backup | # | Reserve |
| WR | 19 | Donald Jones | 11 | Roscoe Parrish | 81 | Marcus Easley |
| LT | 77 | Demetrius Bell | 71 | Ed Wang | ||
| LG | 67 | Andy Levitre | ||||
| C | 70 | Eric Wood | 63 | Geoff Hangartner | ||
| RG | 60 | Kraig Urbik | 61 | Mansfield Wrotto | ||
| RT | 79 | Erik Pears | 75 | Chris Hairston* | ||
| TE | 84 | Scott Chandler | 80 | David Martin | ||
| WR | 13 | Stevie Johnson | 86 | David Nelson | 18 | Naaman Roosevelt |
| QB | 14 | Ryan Fitzpatrick | 4 | Tyler Thigpen | 16 | Brad Smith |
| RB | 22 | Fred Jackson | 28 | C.J. Spiller | 35 | Johnny White* |
| FB | 38 | Corey McIntyre | ||||
| LE | 99 | Marcell Dareus* | 92 | Alex Carrington | 97 | Lionel Dotson |
| NT | 95 | Kyle Williams | 96 | Torell Troup | ||
| RE | 98 | Dwan Edwards | 91 | Spencer Johnson | ||
| SLB | 90 | Chris Kelsay | 57 | Danny Batten | ||
| MLB | 54 | Andra Davis | 55 | Kelvin Sheppard* | 94 | Chris White* |
| WLB | 50 | Nick Barnett | 53 | Reggie Torbor | 52 | Arthur Moats |
| JLB | 56 | Shawne Merriman | 59 | Antonio Coleman | ||
| LCB | 24 | Terrence McGee | 21 | Leodis McKelvin | ||
| SS | 37 | George Wilson | 43 | Bryan Scott | 25 | Da'Norris Searcy* |
| FS | 31 | Jairus Byrd | ||||
| RCB | 29 | Drayton Florence | 23 | Aaron Williams* | 27 | Reggie Corner |
| K | 9 | Rian Lindell | ||||
| P | 8 | Brian Moorman | ||||
| LS | 65 | Garrison Sanborn |
Players cut (34): QB Levi Brown, RB Bruce Hall, RB Anthony Elzy, FB Jehuu Caulcrick, WR Buster Davis, WR Felton Huggins, WR Paul Hubbard, WR Kamar Aiken, TE Shawn Nelson, TE Mike Caussin, TE Zach Pianalto, OT Cordaro Howard, OT Jason Watkins, OG Chad Rinehart, OG Colin Brown, OG Isaiah Thompson, C Michael Switzer, DE T.J. Langley, NT Michael Jasper, NT Kellen Heard, OLB Jammie Kirlew, OLB Robert Eddins, ILB Brad Jefferson, ILB Brandon Hicks, CB Justin Rogers, CB Loyce Means, CB Doyle Miller, S Jon Corto, S Rajric Coleman, S Sidney Glover, S Josh Nesbitt, K Chris Hazley, P Reid Forrest, LS Danny Aiken.
Positional Breakdown
QB (3): Fitzpatrick, Thigpen, Smith
RB (3): Jackson, Spiller, White
FB (1): McIntyre
WR (6): Johnson, Jones, Parrish, Nelson, Roosevelt, Easley
TE (2): Chandler, Martin
OT (4): Bell, Pears, Wang, Hairston
OG (3): Levitre, Urbik, Wrotto
C (2): Wood, Hangartner
DE (5): Dareus, Edwards, Johnson, Carrington, Dotson
NT (2): Williams, Troup
OLB (4): Merriman, Kelsay, Coleman, Batten
ILB (6): Barnett, Davis, Torbor, Sheppard, Moats, White
CB (5): Florence, McGee, McKelvin, Williams, Corner
S (4): Byrd, Wilson, Scott, Searcy
SP (3): Lindell, Moorman, Sanborn
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Quick questions on Carrington.
I had to listen to the game on Sirius as I was camping this weekend. But I heard Carringtons name alot and know he got a sack, or two? Was he playing OLB or DE?
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That's how it looked at first glance
I did not pay attention to him when I re-watched the game on DVR. I was busy watching Dareus lol.
I have no idea how effective he is in space, but it would be great if he could excel there. It would allow the team to keep him and Dwan on the field at the same time.
that's one of the "hybrid" looks
Carrington standing up gives a 3-4 look with 4-3 personnel, like Kelsay playing with his hand down gives a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. I wouldn’t expect them to cut an LB because they count Carrington as one.
by Brian in Shortsville on Aug 16, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Practice Squad
Out of your cuts, who do you feel clears waivers and returns to the Practice Squad?
I would think Jasper and Nesbitt are a must based on developmental potential.
Excellent question
It plays into the decision on who you keep and who you cut. You take a chance Belicheck will claim a guy who’s assigned to the PS, who’s a little too good to let go, and then he’s gone for good.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 16, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t give it much thought, because quite frankly, the practice squad doesn’t interest me at all. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like the practice squad should have been eliminated altogether, along with the ‘inactive on game day slots’. Especially if the intent is to eventually add a game or two to the regular season, all of those guys should be available on game day. I know in days long past there was reasons for the two roster stipulations, but now the rosters should be about 60 or so even without adding games, due to high injury rates.
What’s the point to having and paying people you can’t use on game day. Especially if you consider the fact there is no minor league for the NFL, it could mean a lot to some fringe players if they could be available for even 1-2 plays per game.
Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)
I feel like the practice squad should have been eliminated altogethe
I stopped reading after this – the practice squad is good for 3 reasons
1) to develop raw young players
2) to have talent ready in case of injury
3) to have players ready in your system to step up when called upon
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s advocating just integrating the PS into the main roster not eliminate the positions which isn’t quite what you were thinking.
doesn’t matter – there is a need for the practice squad – if there are more games then you want more players that can contribute immediately.
The practice squad is perfect for guys like Jasper and Nesbitt – hence why it exists
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree
practice squad is nice but i would roll those spots in to the main roster whats the diff they still practice and learn and wont suit up on game day
also teams wouldnt have to be scared to lose a player like jasper or last year joque bell they would be protected
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
Practice Squad...
Is good for us because big market-big money more desirable location teams can’t stash players there, I like the practice squad. I like watching it change and I like to see O-line guys there as these guys can be developed.
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This argument makes no sense. Your arguments in favor of the practice squad are not altered by your opposition’s argument, which would merely make them theoretically available for use in games if desired. The only way this argument would make sense is if you think teams would fill each (of the several) new eligible roster spot with a non-raw player rather than a raw, practice-squad type. That might happen to a few spots across the league but it would certainly not have a strong overall impact on the amount of “projects” held (roster+practice squad in current set-up) on teams across the league. The upside is that they wouldn’t be exposed to waivers in order to keep them and if they progress in a situational area enough to help the team they could get some limited game experience.
my argument makes perfect sense – which is why the practice squad exists. It’s an avenue for you to keep young developing players while having them available if you need them for a game if possible.
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
J2, you still haven’t shown why syrbillsfans proposal would be worse. You admitted that you basically didn’t even read it, which means you haven’t understood it.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no – I read it – I just still disagree with it. :)
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but you haven’t said why it’s not just as good.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
because the reason that you have inactive players – sorry I thought this was common knowledge – was because of injury – to level the playing field in case one team has more injuries than the others.
it’s an attempt to keep the competitive balance intact
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, this argument doesn’t hold much water (some, but not much) if the rosters were significantly expanded.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
to you it might not hold much water – to me it does. I happen to agree with it
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Water
Depends on how much water you want said water holder to hold? And if capacity is all that matters its a no braainer but this is football right not water holders?
Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!
by buffalobacker on Aug 16, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever it is worth
I agree with J2 on the practice squad because if it were rolled into the roster, then your ‘practice squad’ folks could be 10 year vets making $5M a year. The way it is now, there are limits on who is eligible for the PS and if you try to stash someone on the PS that another team sees more value in, they can sign them off your PS.
by Denver's Buffalo Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, now this is an argument I can get behind. Nowhere else in this thread had that argument been made.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 17, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i think it does matter
as you both are relaying the same sentiment…. more guys who are developing to be players for your team.
his view is, expand roster, keep more guys and have all be active for games.
i feel this is BETTER than practice squad, because developmental guys have a chance for live snaps, which the PS never ever gets.
by ThaRealTruth on Aug 17, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
correction
they barely ever get, as they aren’t allowed to be active for more than 8 games before they must be activated, so throwing someone in for a few plays is a waste, as it hastens the need for them to be active. also, being on PS means they can be signed away, where a roster expansion kinda allows all things. that is assuming you can activate the whole roster, otherwise, the only difference is the lack of risk of another team signing the player.
by ThaRealTruth on Aug 17, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Why isn't Hangartner starting?
Didn’t Wood play G before Geoff was injured? And Urbik is really bad… so shift Wood over and let Hangartner take over C duties
Hangman seems like he is better than Urbik, maybe Urbikis just that a reserve. Let hangman PLay Guard !
by Orlandobillsfan on Aug 16, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He might. He’s just not a starter right now.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And Geoff
Hangartner played guard before moving on to the Bill’s.
Center...not guard
Hangartner was a center on the Carolina Panthers, not a guard!
by Buffalochaz on Aug 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually, he was a guard that had played some center.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine in obvious run situations?
But really I dont get it…
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A question that only Chan Gailey, George Edwards and Bob Sanders can answer.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
or Bill Billichick when he says that the difference between DE and OLB is hyperbolized by the media – I found that interesting but it’s probably something to do with how good of a coach he is and how he probably explains things very simply
by J2 on Aug 16, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure on Nelson and Howard
Has Nelson gotten a good enough look to let him go? I know he’s basically been MIA all camp.
Howard is a Chan guy – Georgia Tech as I recall. Chan and Buddy are nothing if not old boys. I say they keep him kicking around somewhere, if only on the PS.
by Defensewinsgames on Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Has Nelson gotten a good enough look to let him go? I know he’s basically been MIA all camp.
Then probably not, right? Nelson was drafted when Maybin was drafted. There’s no loyalty to that draft class whatsoever.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Caussin?
Or is he one of those caught in the numbers game to make room for an extra player at another spot?
I figured the team would want to keep 3 TE’s.
•… that lineman being Lionel Dotson. With the team giving Alex Carrington most of his reps at outside linebacker (for whatever reason), it now seems likely that they’ll open the season with seven defensive linemen. Dotson easily beats out Michael Jasper for that honor.
Is this the same guy the Bears kept running toward the entire 2nd half? One one that kept getting shoved from his spot while Jasper stood his ground?
by NordicBillsfan on Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dotson did not play very well, no. I didn’t think any Bills reserve played particularly well, however.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He did on the other hand lead the team in tackles though with 4. I saw him get pushed out of the way a few times and miff at least twice. Heard looked good and seems to be developing, I also think the team has made a commitment to Jasper and he will be developed not so sure how they keep him off the PS where he can be plucked but I do see that happening.
i dont know what game u were watching, but jasper looked sorely out of place on an NFL field. i know hes an athletic freak, but i wish everyone would stop seeing a football player who isnt there at this point in time
Jasper
i know hes an athletic freak, but i wish everyone would stop seeing a football player who isnt there at this point in time
What I saw, was a guy occupying two blockers most of the time he was in the game and the offense running away from him on most plays. He IS a football player, he does not display the level of polish that the other DL have demonstrated. As raw as he is / was against Chicago, he was disruptive simply by trying to drive upfield. To my untrained eyes, he looked better suited to his position than Maybin did.
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by Montel on Aug 16, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To my untrained eyes, he looked better suited to his position than Maybin did.
I know we like to bash Maybe, but now we were expecting him to play nose tackle?! ;)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
regarding carrington
i was seeing the MNF game yesterday and that reminded me that mario williams is going to be an OLB in houston at 295 lbs… that’s because phillips believes in his athleticism and its not an orthodox OLB position but sort of a hybrid where he wouldnt drop much…
immediately my thoughts led me to carrington who was 285 lbs and now is 305 lbs… gailey says he still has the athleticism at that size and can play a little OLB… i think it can work
Don't think Justin Rogers is going anywhere!
Why is Carrington playing LB. SIMPLE He will shortly be replacing C. Kelsey
the FO loves Kelsay. Were you not around for his extension?
by Mindbender14 on Aug 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if it’s love for Kelsay so much as the fact that we had nobody else at LB when they extended him. Hopefully, his replacement is one of the younger guys, and his services can be replaced (at least, his starting services) within the next year or two.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Don't write off Justin Rogers
Justin Rogers is also a possibility for the final roster, since the coaching staff is so high on him. Given how well Chris White is doing at ILB and the addition of Moats there Reggie Torbor could be expendable, in which case Rogers may well take his place on the roster.
Moats
Any chance Moats is cut. I was shocked and disappointed they moved him from the outside. Now he is 3rd string at ILB. My thoughts are with Carrington playing LB the Bills may choose to keep 9 LBs. If so, who would be the odd man out? Moats, White seem most likely.
Berg79, I’ve been thinking the same thing, especially if Moats gets psychologically down about the switch inside. As much as the fanbase has liked Moats (including myself), I do see a chance he may be one of the odd men out at LB.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a possibility too. I’m just saying, Moats has seemed frustrated, and if that hurts his ability to pick up the new position, he might not perform well enough to stay.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What makes you think that he is frustrated about the switch? From what I have read he was really surprised but I haven’t read anything that says that he was frustrated.
There was an article in either today’s Web Rumblings or yesterday’s Web Rumblings from Portsmouth, VA (Moats played at JMU, right?). I’ll try to dig it up.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that I read that one too. I think that they are totally taking his quotes out of context. I believe that they lifted quotes of his from a different interview and built a story around that. I might be wrong. I appreciate you digging it back up. We should be able to tell if they did.
http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/portsmouths-moats-puzzled-move-inside-linebacker
Here’s the link. I haven’t re-read it yet.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like a lot of ILB
6 deep at ILB? I realize two of the back-ups are rookies, but it seems like a luxury when we’re cutting other good players. I suppose Moats could always get bounced back to the outside which would make it 5 ILB, and 5 OLB which is more reasonable.
Versatility
was the thing that stuck out to me about this roster. There are a number of players who could play different positions. Whether it’s Carrington putting his hand in the dirt vs standing up or Moats inside vs outside, there are a fair number of players who can be shuffled around when injuries strike.
On a different note, I woulnd’t be surprised to see Buster Davis or Heard instead of Dotson. By all accounts, Dotson was pretty bad. If they add D-line depth, I think the place they need it most is inside. If Meatball or Troup goes down, they get awfully thin. On the other, if they lose an end, they can more easily shuffle things around, whether it’s an OLB putting his hand down or Meatball kicking it outside, I think they’re better prepared to deal with injuries at DE than DT.
The argument for Davis is simply that I think the FO likes him and with our WR situation being a lot of unproven talent, I could see them stockpiling.
by Hopefulcynic on Aug 16, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't imagine us keeping 10 linebackers. That's 1 or 2 more than we would have slots for.
I bet White takes a red-shirt this year.
I like Heard over Dotson
and Nelson over Martin, though on this one i think it sakes down how you have it.
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Heard over Dotson, Rinehart over Wrotto
I’ll be very surprised if Heard doesn’t make it over Dotson as well. I would also guess that Chad Rinehart is kept over Mansfield Wrotto, even though Wrotto has the ability to play RT (though very poorly). Brian has Ed Wang and Chris Hairston as back-up OT’s on this roster, so Wrotto isn’t especially needed, and after the huge egg that he sucked last Saturday night it makes no sense to keep him as a reserve OG when somene like Rinehart is available. Indeed, my bet is that Rinehart begins the season as the starter at RG with Urbik in reserve.
by Macktruck on Aug 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Heard over Dotson too.
I think its finally the end of the road though for S Nelson, its a shame… but hes never on the field.
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i dunno, i think he will be cut too,
but i dont agree with this as much as i do Maybin.
I could care less about Maybin because there are guys that can play in his place. I dont really see Martin as an asset on this tream. So in turn;Keeping Nelson on the team has less of a negative effect with chance of a positive upside.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Yeah, I understand.
I actually think it could be Chandler and Caussin that make it. Hes made some nice catches in practice, but Im not sure if hes as good of a blocker as Martin (not that hes amazing…) but I feel the 2nd string TE will be a goalline blocker type.
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LB
I really like OLB Robert Eddins. He’s a player and makes his share of tackles. I would think he gets a practice squad invite.
Eddins
He sure made Maybin look pathetic. And, his name is heard a lot in practice too. #BillsMafia has spoken.
Maybe its Me but Merriman and Moats on the outside sure sounds better than Kelsey on the outside.
by Orlandobillsfan on Aug 16, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
I could see Jon Corto over Bryan Scott at SS.
Corto can play special teams well and was all over the field making hits on Saturday. Corto can all play FS and back up Byrd where Bryan Scott is strictly SS. Scott might be the odd guy out when all is said and done…
I think Scott will be the odd man out as well...
But with Wilson versatility, if Byrd goes down, Wilson slides over to FS with Searcy/Scott splitting SS time.
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Not a fan of Corto
Scott makes the team
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Scott has lost a considerable amount of weight – I believe he’s down to a listed 209 – and looks much more athletic. He, too, is a very good special teams player, and if Byrd gets hurt, George Wilson would become the free safety.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
As athletic as Scott may now be
He was embarrased in the open field last week against the 2s by being caught flat-footed, not a solid start to his pre-season.
by Denver's Buffalo Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He was embarrased in the open field… by being caught flat-footed
this comment is applicable for more than just last week.
by ThaRealTruth on Aug 17, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
dont see it
Scott is more versitile and i dont remember him bringing back return TD’s last year
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Who would be the odd
man(men) out should we pick up an OL man or 2? (Wishful thinking, I know)
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If Wang and Hairston are on the 53 man roster, do you need to keep Wrotto for his versatility anymore? And if that’s the case isn’t Rinehart a better option?
I know the team signed Wrotto after last season, but I don’t think it’s anything that would prohibit them from cutting him.
Yes, you do, because Hairston isn’t ready to play – think of him as a stash similar to Demetrius Bell in 2008 – and Wang hasn’t played. Wrotto has. He could conceivably be the chief backup at both tackles until the team is more comfortable with Wang.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 16, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
think of him as a stash
I thought he coached the line backers? :-)
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by fansince60 on Aug 16, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think the Urbik-Rinehart-Wrotto-Howard battle is going right down to the last cut to be the 8th and 9th OL. Hairston and Wang are in development, if they have to play early, it’s probably not so good. And I think that’ll factor into which two of those four make it.
Other thoughts…
if you want to squeeze a 3rd TE or one of Jasper or Heard onto the 53-man, I’m having a hard time seeing a role for Torbor.
I think George Wilson is the backup free safety, with Bryan Scott the 3rd safety. Scott also plays special teams, so I think he’s safe, again, unless you want Searcy to play early.
Don’t sleep on Reid Forrest. He’s a longshot, but Moorman shouldn’t be a lock to make it based on his last couple of years, and Forrest’s credentials coming out.
by Brian in Shortsville on Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
I also could see Torbor getting the axe.
If they, like you said, needed to keep a 3rd TE or Heard/Jasper (most likely Heard)
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maybe,
but those guys in the middle take a lot of hits and go down quit often on this team.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Thats the only reason I see him sticking, is the injuries.
But with Moats now playing inside, plus it seems they like White. I think there is a chance one of the 10 LB’s get cut, and if I had to guess, Id say its Torbor… but keeping all 10 also wouldnt surprise me. The versatility of our D-lineman helps rotations as well so maybe we wouldnt need a 3rd NT.
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i can see that.
When is our draft?
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
I also see all of this as being likely. Torbor could be the odd man of that LB (particularly ILB) group. Wilson would almost surely slide over to FS if Byrd got injured with Scott and Searcy then splitting the job at SS. OL will be a real battle for cuts, but unfortunately not the kind you hope for (lots of bodies fighting for lots of positions vs lots of talent fighting for few positions). Moorman has definitely slipped the past couple seasons and though it’s a longshot as you said, it’s still a real possibility in my mind that Reid steals his job.
I just don’t see Torbor getting cut yet. I realize he’s not in the long-term plans, but I think the defense is too raw without him. IMO, Torbor will stick around this season unless he gets injured.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
did anyone see how the backup o-line looked during the game? i do bieleve that most of those guys played last year, and started even.
Yes, Chan did and….all you need to know is right here:
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/8/15/2364717/chan-gailey-disappointed-with-bills-offensive-line-play
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
I agree...
with you on Tobor, Corner not so much.
theres 8 spots on the practice squad
NT Jasper, TE Caussin,S Nesbitt, OLB Eddins, CB Rogers, ILB Hicks, P Forrest, RB Elzy or Hall
Unless Jasper becomes a BEAST and improves his technique over the next few weeks of training camp and preseason games he’s a lock for the PS. Heard played very well and I believe should have a roster spot of over Dotson.
I’m curious though, do HC’s taken into account the player’s chemistry with other players? I remember hearing Dotson getting into a scuffle with Hang (I know it was just tensions running high, and it probably means nothing.). It might hurt Dotson’s chances in the long run.
i hope this happens
im hoping there are some players that can through your projections off like michael mcadoo and stinchcomb, granted stinchcomb is coming off of injury but i think his leadership and knowledge of the game could really help our youngsters maximize their talents or skill that they do have.
brian
The bills have heard as a lde not a nt so i believe he would get the nod over jasper
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by Gpluehri on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Heard was an animal vs the bears 2nd string. Him and jasper stood their ground and broke through a few times. I didnt see much outta dotson other then the bears running at him.
by Feedjasper on Aug 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cut
Who gets cut when we take Michael McAdoo in the supplemental draft? ;)
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Probably…McAdoo ;)
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by stetzwebs on Aug 16, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At RG or LG? RG I hope.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, in the name of all that is good and holy?….
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunatly, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
by thefourwinds on Aug 16, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You're gonna thing I'm crazy but...
I’ve been trying to think like Nix and as painful as that may be, I see them w/ a few curve balls. Forrest Reid makes the team as they trade 35 old Mooreman to another team for a 7th rounder( Hey, he has 2-3yrs left maybe) So at least they got something in return and the new kid has a foot! Also, Injury concerns force OBD to deal Roscoe for another 4th rounder( Wow! What a surprise!) Buffalo keeps Hubbard because he can’t drive any where(So he can’t get into trouble). Byran Scott fails to make the team after numerous missed tackles during the pre-season opening up a spot for Nesbitt. That’s right, Nesbitt, Gaileys pet project. We’ll find out soon enough. It’s the altitude here in Colorado; It will make you do funny things!
WOW! You’ve got quite an imagination!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian, I usually agree with you...
but, after watching the recorded game several times how do you justify keeping Dotson over Heard?
IMHO Heard was bringing it, and Dotson was seriously “no where to be seen”.
While I typically agree with Brian...
There is no way Dotson makes the roster at the expense of Rhinehart (except for injuries). Especially now that we know Rhinehart is gettin reps with the ones (which was not public knowlegde when Brian wrote the post of cours). I’m not saying Rhinehart makes the final roster (thought I believe he will), I’m just saying there’s no way Rhinehart makes the roster while Dotson does (except for injury, knock on wood).
by Denver's Buffalo Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops,
….theres’ no way Rhinehart DOESN’T make the roster while Dotson does.
by Denver's Buffalo Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
A few misses
I want to see more of Josh Nesbitt. He reminds me of that Johnson fellow in Tennessee. Kellen Heard looked like a beast. If he follows through with more performances like Sat., there’s no way this guy doesn’t make the team and contribute. Chad Rinehart will make the team and may start.
Chad Rhinehart,
contrary to Brian cutting him,may end up starting or at least sharing duties with Levitre. Gailey is at least giving him a legitimate shot.
Arrive...Raise Hell...Leave
The OL
It’s inexcusable that the OL is this thin on depth. The starters aren’t that good to begin with, either.
I just don’t get it.
Our Wang don’t Hang; it’s a Calloway Wood cause we got Levitre.
I love that you constantly update the depth chart….it’s all I do during the off season and camp so it’s good use this one as reference…and all this does is underline our weakness on the O Line
by Andrew Crawford on Aug 16, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Arthur Moats
Okay, there were a lot of comments, so I didn’t see if this was addressed yet, but although we like Moats at OLB, I thought they moved him inside since he is 6’0". You listed him as an OLB. Is he now back outside, or what?
Surprise Cuts
No argument with projected depth chart (except perhaps Moats being buried at LB). There are always surprises when the final roster is set and I believe that we’ll see Chris Kelsay’s long tenure with the team come to an end at or just before the final trim-down. I’d give it 5-2 odds.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Kelsay
I think its a very good possibility of Kelsay going. I believe that is why Carrington is getting reps at OLB. So he can move into Kelsay position. What harm could it do. Kelsay is never around the plays anyways!
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