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Andy Levitre has not yet been benched as the left guard of the Buffalo Bills, but his splitting reps with Chad Rinehart is the latest blow to a 2009 NFL Draft class in Buffalo that no longer looks remotely as promising as it once did.

That degradation fits the theme of recent seasons. Just one of nine players drafted in 2006 - nose guard Kyle Williams - remains with the team. All seven of the players drafted in 2007 are gone. Just four of 10 picked in 2008 remain (Leodis McKelvin, Reggie Corner, Demetrius Bell and Stevie Johnson).

Of the eight players the team drafted in 2009 - and we're talking about players entering only their third year, mind you - half are already gone. Aaron Maybin's recent exodus was predated by the departures of Nic Harris, Cary Harris and Ellis Lankster a year ago.

Eric Wood has by far the most job security of any '09 Bills draftee, as he's entrenched as the team's starting center. Jairus Byrd has a spot locked up as well, but is coming off of a down sophomore season. Fourth-round pick Shawn Nelson can't stay healthy, and may get cut. Add in Levitre's semi-demotion, and all of a sudden, this draft class looks to be the latest in a long line of weak draft years for Buffalo.

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Cleaning out the deadwood.

Year two is upon us.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 17, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Gross.

I hope you dont have to keep posting this same story every year, except changing the year of the draft.

So depressing to know how many times we’ve struck out in the draft.

Now attending the Univ. of Hockey.

by bflo on Aug 17, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

…. you mean Dick and Marve didn’t draft well???? wow, who knew?

by blitzboy54 on Aug 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

The hindsight is making that era look more and more amateur. Let’s hope this one doesn’t look as bad in the rear view down the road.

I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were horrible from the start

Levy was such a terrible hire. IMO, he was so much worse than Donahoe…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you said it bro!

Did you ever read his book? It was so Disney-like that I didn’t even finish it, got fed-up midway through the dam thing.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've read much of it

I couldn’t nor really wanted to finish it either. It was so laughably incorrect factually.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm the same..

Got the book a few Xmas’s ago got about 1/2 thru it and it has sat on my closet shelf since… It wasn’t bad but it wasn’t that good either.

"Only in a rock and roll band can someone like Keith Richards perceive himself as the responsible one."

-- Malcolm Gladwell

by Goose22 on Aug 18, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

We really don’t know who is more responsible for the failure of those players. It could be the front office, it could be the trainer and/or coaches, or it could be the players. Or it could be a combination of a whole bunch of things i.e. change of schemes/coordinators. We don’t have first hand experience of what is happening behind the scenes to be able to accurately say who’s fault it is.

by AP22 on Aug 17, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I’ll blame the owner, plain and simple, thats were buck starts and stops! This much ineptitude some/most blame has to fall at his feet. For all the great things he’s done he’s not going quitely into the night. Rather the opposite he’s regressing, its sad. Nice legacy Ralph but come on lets win for a change! I mean what you saving $$$ for? The kids getting it!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when

Shawn Nelson was being proclaimed as “the steal in the draft?” Great to see how well that has turned out thus far.

Is this your homework, Larry?

by Schooled You on Aug 17, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   4 recs

The thing about him

 is that when he does get on the field he shows some glimpses of greatness. Too bad he’s soft – I was really hoping for him but I am now realizing that he probably won’t make the roster this year. Another failure!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That migraine thing can be a b!#&h to beat though, I know a number of people who have that chronically and it sucks

But he does flash when he is healthy enough to be on the field, and to bad he can’t stay on it, he had a chance.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding.
It appears Chan has already decided that Chandler is our TE.
And truthfully, he has looked pretty good based on the limited clips I’ve seen of camp and one preseason game.

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chandler is certainly capable. Ferentz looks for, molds and teaches the same manner of TE play at Iowa – and while he’s not as fast or fluid as Clark or Moeaki, he has the ability to use his frame to get open and pretty soft hands for a guy his size. Looking forward to seeing him more.

by LeClaire Bill on Aug 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levitre

Hoping this is no more than a wake up call for him – he’s been steady, though not the least bit spectacular, but I had high hopes seeing him show up at camp this year seemingly a bit more cut than before. To me, he always battled well and showed good technique, but was lacking in size and strength. But if Rinehart plays better, I’m glad to see Gailey not gifting the position – keep guys earning their spots and see who wants it the most!

by BuffaloRepresent on Aug 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I have come to like Levitre a lot, but if we get an even better LG in Chad Rinehart that is a cause for celebration. Any time we manage to upgrade the team all of us should be cheering.

by Macktruck on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to give Chan a lot of credit

His job is not always fun but at least the message is clear – those who work hard and earn playing time will get it. The key message is to EARN it, which is so refreshing after the Jauron era. I had forgot what it meant to have a real coach!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, I think Levitre was perhaps coasting a bit since he hasn't had any really bad episodes as a Bill

and Chan was looking to light a bit of a fire under him by placing Rinehart in his spot for a couple of days, especially after how poorly Urbik played against the Bears.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Cool I think its more like wow our O/L truly sucks and Chan’s calling out purported(by fans) players that need to step it up , good for Chan, I hope he overcomes ownership and is left to truly turn this team into a winner!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Continue purging the suck – that’s the plan right now!

by J2 on Aug 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

and why this is a 5 yr rebuild.....almost starting from scratch.

QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass

If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Because of the moves this off-season, I’ve been disabused of the hope(?) that this was just a three year rebuild.

I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Aug 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hoped it would be a three year as well, but I think its best if the break is as clean as possible if it needs to happen

If Nix and Chan think we need to clean house, go to it, and I hope we have some real talent ready to roll in years 4 and 5.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What The Heck!

Whats another 11 years? Do you hear yourselves? Another 5 years that might be record for non play-off appearances, thats cool!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you hear yourselves?

Who cares if the rebuild takes 4 or 5 years if, at the end of it, we’re competitive for the next 10 or 11? Seriously, isn’t that the goal? Plugging in players to help us win now will NOT help us be consistently competitive. It doesn’t work for other teams that come crashing down to earth after a couple of years (like the Dolphins).

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

I’ve been listening to excuses for 11 yrs and all off a sudden I’m impatient and your gulping down kool-aid, good for you. Whats 4-5 more yrs ? A decade plus . Why does everybody compare Bills to other franchises? We’ve suck a long time and still fans are drinking the kool-aid, look at history/ record before you assume were gonna be competitive for next 10 years? Are you kidding me? How you come to that factoid? Yes winning is goal dude but how are you able to say we’ll be competitive and it will be for 10 plus yrs/ Fact is your wishful thinking and we’ve been uncompetitive for over 10 year and thats a fact while your comments are hopes!.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

your gulping down kool-aid

I don’t like Kool-Aid

Whats 4-5 more yrs ?

4 or 5 total, not 4 or 5 more.

Why does everybody compare Bills to other franchises?

What should we compare them to?

We’ve suck a long time and still fans are drinking the kool-aid, look at history/ record before you assume were gonna be competitive for next 10 years?

Not sure I know what you’re talking about here. There are many teams that are competitive year in and year out, including the Bills of the 90s.

Are you kidding me?

No.

How you come to that factoid?

Projecting a future outcome can never be a “factoid”, so I don’t know what you’re talking about here either.

Yes winning is goal dude but how are you able to say we’ll be competitive and it will be for 10 plus yrs/

Because that’s the point of a rebuild.

Fact is your wishful thinking

What’s the alternative? Pessimism? I’ll pass on that. Football is a sport and rooting for a team is fun, so sense in getting upset and cranky constantly. I’ll save that for Sundays when we lose.

we’ve been uncompetitive for over 10 year and thats a fact while your comments are hopes!.

What good does it do to look at the past? Nix and Gailey are in year 2. I do not and can not hold them responsible for the last decade. Why would you?Yes, we haven’t been competitive for 10 years. What should we do? Just give up? Move the team? Assume we won’t be for the next 10 years? All those seem like stupid ideas.

I have an idea, let’s actually root for the team we root for, instead of consistently reminding everyone how terrible we are and how terrible we’ve been for ten years. We all know how bad we’ve drafted, and how poor our team has been. But there was a time when it was good, and that came shortly after a few atrocious seasons (84 and 85, anyone?). So forgive me for not wanting to dwell on the past, and instead look forward to a future when the Bills are competitive again.

And seriously, enough with the Kool-Aid talk. No one accepts everything Nix does as right. I question a lot of moves. But there’s nothing I can do about them, and instead of making myself crazy thinking about the bad FO, I will let them play out and see what happens. It’s much easier on myself that way.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Look At Past

Why is it important to look at past? Simple, because history does repeat its self. And for last 11 years the the Bill’s have been a joke. Dude I could careless how FO or team does in the overall context of my life, but i’ll call it like i see it and I’m not happy with my team’s choices/actions be it FO or owner if you like it fine but I’m entitled to my opinion and my quess is I’ve been a fan before you were born. Oh And trust me this team will not make me crazy, my GF does that quite well. I don’t hold anybody but Mr. Wilson responsible for lack of a good team in a too long amount of time, so let go of the regime not being in place long enough. Take 11 yrs and break it up anyway you want who would you blame for our sorry record?

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simple, because history does repeat its self.

So when is our next string of Super Bowl runs? Seriously, we can make comments about this FO, that is fine, no one is saying otherwise. But my point is that all we ever do is complain about the last 11 years, which no longer matter or have any bearing on what happens now, so why do they matter anymore? We drafted poorly and made poor FA decisions for 9 years. Let’s not hold Nix responsible for them, is all I’m saying.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Easier That Way

Oh, Easy way out fan I get it now. More Kool-aid for Stetz please! Nevermind, he’s full.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some what true, this FO and coach have a different idea of the types of players they want to build the team around. It amkes many of these draft picks look like round pegs in square holes. If you draft the right type of guy, he’s more likely to develop and succeed in your system. In retrospect, I don’t know if there was this degree of vision in drafting and player development in the Jauron-Levy era, if so I’m more impressed with the early returns under Nix than under Levy.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I remembering right that Buddy said when he first took over the job that the Bills had more talent on our team to build off of then he did when he came on board with San Diego?

If he did, he sounded a lot more optimistic when he began this project than it is looking like right now.

"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee

by arbon78 on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are right, but what was he going to say...

We are going to suck for the next 3 years? I never bought into the Nix is a straight shooter talk.

QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass

If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha, straight-shooting is relative to other GMs. In the scheme of life, GM’s are not straight-shooters. But in good humor, can you envision this press conference? Just ripping every player… Think of that linebacking corp… I don’t think we have anyone left… D-line, 2 players. O-line, 3 players. Secondary has to be the best position group.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A five year rebuild in today’s NFL is ridiculous.

by EvilJohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because other teams have and will turn it around faster.

by EvilJohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you name any that managed to keep it going for longer than one season? Miami tried and failed…

by Lifyre on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devil is in the details. Like who? And how?

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in our case.....

the Bills must build through the draft because we can’t get top tier FAs to sign here. Therefore, it is going to take us more time to build a winner. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but it is what it is.

QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass

If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well said Joe.

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

But explain please why we didn’t get our qB with 3rd overall pick considering thats a good time to pull trigger on QB of future in any draft? Are we expecting to suck even more this coming year? And why is it taking 11 plus years to literally be starting from zero regarding talent? I’ll say its ownership and until that changes expect more of the same!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But explain please why we didn’t get our qB with 3rd overall pick considering thats a good time to pull trigger on QB of future in any draft?

Because Nix didn’t trust any QBs left on the board at #3. Honestly, except for Locker, neither did I, so I don’t blame him.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And your QB evaluations are NFL worthy! My point is how many times does a franchise get to pick 3rd overall? Obviously Nix and Chan expect to suck for a while. Thats cool but lets call it like it is! Luck next yr is my quess.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

And your QB evaluations are NFL worthy!

I trust that Nix’s are.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Didn’t answer my question. Nice response.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your question was “how many times does a franchise get to pick 3rd overall?” I have no idea how to answer that.

Beyond that,

And your QB evaluations are NFL worthy!

My QB evaluations are as NFL worthy as your FO evaluations.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are yours? No.

Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin

by WABillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

And why is it taking 11 plus years to literally be starting from zero regarding talent?

Because almost all of our pre-Nix draft picks have been terrible over the last decade.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

And sorry but thats a reflection of owner and his inability to find/pay for talented GM’s that would turn this once proud franchise around!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and everyone knows and accepts that. What does that have to do with Nix and this rebuild? I don’t think anything.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Its everything. If you agree than Nix is doomed just based on ownerships ineptitude and track record.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't explain
why we didn’t get our qB with 3rd overall pick ….

other than this team is so devoid of talent that CHIX feel comfortable going with whoever they feel is the BPA. It is possible that they didn’t like any of the QBs left on the board more than Dareus. Only time will tell if they were right about those QBs vs Dareus.

Are we expecting to suck even more this coming year?

I would say no. Depending on what some of the weaker teams we play do, I would think we will win an extra game or two…..as long as Fitz stays healthy.

And why is it taking 11 plus years to literally be starting from zero regarding talent?

Because we keep hiring and firing GMs, HCs, etc. which results in the Bills switching systems. The people brought in to run the Bills have been either bad choices or good choices that just didn’t pan out. The result is instability in the organization. Add to that no plan for the team when this owner passes, the weather, old stadium, poor economic conditions in Buffalo, and it makes this place a hard sell to FAs. And that is where Wilson takes the greatest amount of blame, IMO. Not because he is cheap. Not because he is more meddelsome in the draft process than any other owner.

I’ll say its ownership and until that changes expect more of the same!

I don’t think it is ownership directly. Didn’t we prove that in the 90s? If CHIX can do their job well, we can win with Wilson as the owner.

QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass

If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its one thing to purge the suck

They still have to make actual replacements and upgrades…

Its amazing how bad the Levy and Jauron drafts were. Just awful, setting this franchise back even further.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed......
Its one thing to purge the suck

they seem to have started that process with the defense. We can only hope players like Dareus, Troup, Carrington, and Byrd pan out and that the Offense is next.

QB SMASHER KING KONG JASPER
Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass

If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.

by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a pretty strong degree of faith in the players you mentioned. Dareus is an absolute shoe-in as a dominating player as far as I’m concerned. That’s barring injury of course, but that applies to everyone. The rest of the players you mentioned I think will be “plus” contributors, I’m pretty confident about that. Byrd of course has the potential to become a consistent playmaker but I am more confident that he’ll at least be a quality starting FS for a long time.

I think they have some top-end talent on defense now (assuming Merriman stays healthy and is ~80% of what he once was), and going forward it’ll be about adding a couple playmakers to key positions and building on the depth. That turns the long-term rebuild questions to fixing the offensive line and finding the long-term QB. I’d like to note that I’m very satisfied with Fitzpatrick for the next year or two but obviously they’ll be a better team if they find a long-term top-end QB.

by paxon on Aug 17, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The o-line I think is mostly set, though I think Nix and Gailey will upgrade RT and LT sooner rather than later

if someone worth it shows up. Our WRs are ok, maybe a talent or two more there and the QB, that is going to be interesting to say the least.

abayarde- "All off the pain will vanish The Whagonblaster will return and with a new MOTOR and attitude even BIGGER AND stronger THE EYE of the Tiger , will knock our enemies to the next Galaxy , WE the BUffalo Nation DO not know defeat , We do not know Surrender , We only know that if we fall we get up stronger , faster, better WE have the Technology to BUILD IT"

by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Geat our O/L is set, I feel better now:)

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Closer than you think

This team is closer to being competitive than you think. Our front seven is stacked, all we need is a better OL and we will surprise some folks this year. If the OL tightens up, the weakest position on the team will be QB!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Closer than you think

This team is closer to being competitive than you think. Our front seven is stacked, all we need is a better OL and we will surprise some folks this year. If the OL tightens up, the weakest position on the team will be QB!

"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6

by Montel on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well

11 plus yrs later and were still weak everywhere, thats reassuring to think its getting better! :(

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, You can and did say that again!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

2010 draft not exactly a jewel yet either...

1. Spiller – Still waiting for him to become the home run threat he was touted to be
2. Troup – Considered a reach at the time. Looks like a potentially solid 2nd stringer.
3. Carrington – Similar situation as Troup.
4. Easley – The most touted 4th rounder to never actually accomplish anything (at least since Shawn Nelson).
5. Ed Wang – A possible cut? Only the Bills abyssmal tackle depth keeps him on the roster.
6. Moats – Promising rookie year but is now playing a new position as a backup.
6. Batten – IR in his rookie year and still waiting to see what we have.
7. Brown – He might, MIGHT, make the PS this year.
7. Calloway – Gonesville.

So for a team in transition and with a history of poor drafts over the last decade, you’d think the 2010 draft would produce some starters—if for no other reason than because the cupboard is so barren and there were new sherrifs in town. Yet not a one of these guys is a starter (though I think Spiller, Carrington, Troup, and Moats provide quality depth). As has been pointed out, the Bills have better luck with their UDFAs like Jones and D. Nelson.

When are the Bills going to have a home run draft? Maybe 2011 is the year? Dareus, Williams, and Sheppard all look like possible starters.

by BlueFalcon on Aug 17, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I am not as negative on the Class of 2010 as you are. Spiller had a so-so rookie year, but could very well have a break-out season in 2011. Troup looks like he is going to be a solid NT for years to come. Carrington is showing signs of being a star as an OLB in addition to playing as a 3-4 DE. Easley was on IR all last year so it is way too early to judge him, but he is looking good in training camp. Wang was probably a draft mistake, but Moats had an impressive rookie year as an OLB once he had the chance to get on the field, and could turn into an excellent ILB as well. Batten has “star” written all over him, as his play last Saturday night demonstrated — I continue to predict (as I have for some time) that he is going to be our starting OLB opposite Merriman by the end of this season.

That’s a pretty good haul. Some of them may disappoint, but the signs right now suggest that the 2010 draft is going to be much better than the previous ten years.

by Macktruck on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

be honest...

Spiller did not have a so-so rookie year – I also think he’s set for a breakout year, but for a #9 pick at a position that is typically very kind to rookies, he was below average.

by JustAskTheAxis on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why people think Spiller is going to have a breakout year

Spiller is the kind of back that needs the ball in space (Chan seems to have plans to make this happen) or have an Oline that can open up some holes (not looks good right now). Either way, Spiller has a long way to go….needs to learn how to run routes, read blocks, pick up blizers, learn how to use a stiff arm, STOP FUMBLING, etc.

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by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree it’s early, but what’s the best we can hope for…
Spiller becomes a CJ2000 or Jamal Charles type player
Troup becomes an important sub for K Williams and eventually replaces him in a few years.
Carrington becomes a starting DE
Easley gets the injuries behind him and becomes part of the top-4 in WRs
Wang becomes a solid backup (I just can’t see him starting barring injury)
Moats becomes a solid ILB starter (but where does that leave Barnett, Sheppard and C. White?)
Batten supplants Kelsay

After two bottles of wine, I can see all of this happening. Realistically, maybe, just maybe, four of these guys (Spiller, Troup, Carrington, and either Batten/Moats) become starters in the next three years. Not terrible, but not great either.

by BlueFalcon on Aug 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

getting 4 good long term starters out of a draft class would be an excellent draft as far as im concerned

by boomsauce on Aug 17, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a very rainbows and unicorns view of the world.

Spiller was the 9th player taken over all, it would be great if he could eclipse the top 25 in his position this year, much less have a break out season.

Ed Wang is barely a functioning guard in the NFL, much less a tackle.

I’m still not sold on Troup, I see him going backwards way too much to play the 2-gap defense, and I don’t see enough quickness to play in a 1-gap.

Easley has to get on the field, first.

Moats isn’t going work at ILB, especially if he has to run down the field after tight-ends.

Batten I just haven’t seen enough of to know.

My guess that Easley and Carrington have the best chance to be a starter on this team (if the current coaching staff doesn’t ruin him at OLB). Spiller as a starting running back means nothing, you need 3 of these guys, so his value is immediately discounted because of the nature of the position.

by EvilJohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says Moats isn’t going to work out at ILB? As Brian says in another piece, the Bills are grooming him to be Barnett’s eventual replacement as the three-down ILB and there’s a good chance he will do well at that role. Carrington is going to play a lot of OLB this year and excel there. It’s still early on Batten and Easley, but there’s no reason to downgrade them yet given the coaching staff’s high opinions of them. As for Troup, he has been impressing everyone in camp so far, though his recent hand injury may hold him back a bit.

I don’t think this is a “rainbows and unicorns view” — something I’m not known for. It’s a reasonable prediction based on the evidence we have seen so far, though I willreadily admit that there is a lot of additional evidence yet to come.

by Macktruck on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least

Well, if we hit on four players a year it will take 12-13 years to fill out a 53 man roster.

by Coach Bob on Aug 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you hit on 7 a year it still takes you 7-8… Obviously there has to be a source of talent beyond the draft. Just ask Arian Foster…

by Lifyre on Aug 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

And our team refuses to be “active” in FA. Makes me wonder if they want to win anytime soon!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't agree

maybe we didn’t sign guys you wanted the last two years, but if you look at the DJ era and the money we threw at guys that didn’t produce, why is picking up everyone’s “leftovers” the priority? if you want to see a team who relies heavily on FA- look at the Redskins… and where it got them. I personally think that drafting players is the priority, and FA are great for plugging holes on your roster, once you actually have one.

by ThaRealTruth on Aug 17, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last Two Years?

Dude its been 11 years! Nice but draft to win not just to place! You look at Redskins. I’m talking about Bill’s franchise why you want to talk about Skins? We pick up waiver wire fodder nothing near FA’s. And I’m talking about current regime, its like their hands are tied/controlled by Wilson. And it seems like Ralph is living in 1960’s payscale! We have holes/needs everywhere hows that not wrong? Is this a EPIC rebuild that all of a sudden they see the light? Please!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

FAs will not come here until the Bills prove they can be competitive

Everyone has seen the mess the Bills have been over the past 10 years. No way top tier FAs are going to choose to play in Buffalo unless you overpay for them to the point it would actually hurt the team by putting them in cap jail. IF CHIX built it….they will come.

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by Joe P. on Aug 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

spiller doesnt look like having a break out season

not saying he is heading to bustsville… i think he will have a breakout season in 2012… i dont think this is his year the way he looked in TC and 1st game

by statcruncher on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he can figure out how to stay on his feet after contact, he won’t even be as useful as Reggie Bush.

by EvilJohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignoring the missed block on the screen pass that led to a loss of yards, Spiller looked much more like an NFL running back in that game than he did last year, in my opinion.

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by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but a) it’s way too soon to judge them, and b) at least all but one of them are still employed by the team.

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by Brian Galliford on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

im bettin by week 4 we start hearing about how awful the 2011 draft class is.

by boomsauce on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’d think the 2010 draft would produce some starters

i didnt realize these guys are all in the twilight of their careers already and could never become starters

by boomsauce on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four (eventual) starters is not a bad draft. You’re right. I’m not saying 2010 was a total stinker, but after several consecutive years of bad drafts it really is going to take one or two great drafts to right the ship. 2010 wasn’t that draft, at least not from my novice viewpoint. I have more hope for 2011 (though it looks like Hairston might be this year’s Wang, and C. White might be on the IR before the preseason is over, like Batten last year).

by BlueFalcon on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point boom, When I have a kid, I think I’m gonna know the type of person he’s going to be by the time he is 2 years old.

by cencalclassics on Aug 17, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

waiting for a homerun draft is the mentality of a losing gambler.

a team that keeps losing in the draft should work aggressively to trade its picks.

the fact many picks get cut is even worse considering the bills roster is one of the league’s weakest.

i don’t know how much of our scouting has turned over with Modrak’s departure, I hope nearly all of it.

that said, this year’s draft does look pretty good. Dareus close to a sure thing (which is what the #3 pick should be)

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by Job 7:6 on Aug 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t have to be the scouts fault if the coach and GM don’t know what they want.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

putrid

They have been drafting wretchedly for years. The homers tended to point to the number of draft picks still on the roster as evidence that their drafting has not been as bad as their lack of impact in the first round suggests, but most of that was due to a talentlesss roster making it more accommodating for younger players. The 2010 class was also amazingly unproductive in their rookie seasons. I’m hoping that the reason behind this stems from their being mostly small schoo, prospects who could be collectively painted as developmental sorts, but throw the 2010 class out for a minute and call a spade, a spade. The Bills draft ineptitude of the past regime(s) was much broader than minimal impact from Whitner, Lynch, McKelvin, Maybin, etc…it’s been putrid through and through.

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by Port Royal on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The 2009 class

It semed like everyone drafted was going to be moved into a different position then what they played in college…

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by Goose22 on Aug 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybin signing that was quick and other stuff

I guess the Jets saw something in him. Weird since they just got rid of that other bust (cant think of the name right now Golston or something like that). Guess that gives Bills fans another reason to hate him. Also echoing BlueFalcon remarks 2010 looks good for depth purposes. Last thing whats with hate on Mckelvin he is starting for us right now he may not be an all-star but he is a decent starter.

by FLBill on Aug 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

McKelvin

He was great his rookie season and then he was injured in his 2nd season. The other top tier corner in the draft that year was Aquib Talib who is now a problem child in Tampa Bay. I think we made the right choice.

by SpiderWeb Sleeves on Aug 17, 2011 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we HAD to choose a corner. But we didn’t. McKelvin is still a big TBD given he hasn’t earned a starting role and we are going on year 4. How would any of the next four tackles taken in that draft look on our team now? That was the year to take a tackle…. looks a lot deeper and full of LT prospects than the more recent classes.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hindsight is 20/20

When it comes to the Tackles that were drafted after him, but at that time was anybody clamoring for a tackle? I dont think Mckelvin will be a perennial pro bowler but i think that he will be a good stater for a good portion of his career. Sure one could argue that is not good enough for a draft pick just outside the top ten but compared to our other picks he is probably the best out of the first round for a while (which yes is sad).

by FLBill on Aug 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What difference does it make what we clamor for? We clamor for need and we are usually wrong. McKelvin didn’t fill it, hence we extend McGee, sign Florence and unfortunately lose Greer.

My point is simply we didnt have to draft a corner and there was lots of additional talent in the first round at other positions. Hindsight is 20-20, but I could pull a name out of a hat for the next 20 picks and odds are I’d prefer that player to McKelvin (2 out of 3 probably). I’m not picking the ONE guy that came after that looks good, I’m saying almost the entire first round is full of more impactful players.

Sure, he looks good for a Bills pick. But thats a low bar. Whitner did too, but the value is bad.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodgers-Cromartie was also a top CB that year also.

Honestly thought, I wanted Talib.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Aug 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mckelvin was great in his rookie year? huh?

He didn’t even start most of the time. Only got in there because of injuries.

by loupiccone on Aug 17, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they figure something out quick!

That word degradation, as Matt has noted speaks volumes. We wanted change and we got it. Now what worries me is that they may be going too far. I truly understand that Gailey wants the best players to play. We all want that; Particularly with the O-line. Too much change can bring on very low morale and poor play and that’s the last thing we need w/ the reg. season right around the corner. We can’t have these guys guessing, wondering, and being filled w/ doubt. We need a STRONG, SOLID, AND MEAN Offense line that won’t take no SH#T! This is the biggest area of concern and has been for years. We have got to get these guys firing on all cylinders soon!

by Dareurush! on Aug 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad…I meant that Brian has noted.

by Dareurush! on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard this earlier and had to do a double-take

I thought that the right side of the line looked way worse in the 1st preseason game and if anything Urbik was the weakest link of the line. Yet here we have Levitre possibly losing his spot to Rinehart? I trust Gailey and perhaps this is more of just a wakeup call to Levitre that he needs to elevate his play and not get complacent, but it’s hard for me to imagine Levitre sitting and Urbik starting after what I’ve seen thus far.

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by panekattack on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing is set in stone, wouldn’t suprise me if Urbik got replaced by somebody, not fact just my opinion.

by cencalclassics on Aug 17, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

never said it was set in stone. Just said it’s hard to imagine Levitre sitting and Urbik starting. I actually expect Rinehart to beat out Urbik for the RG position and Urbik will be the backup guard.

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by panekattack on Aug 17, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said this in another thread, but I think moving Levitre down was Gailey’s way of looking at Rinehard and Urbik at the same time, on the same line, in the same plays, in order to evaluate which one sticks.

I think (believe/hope) that once he’s finished that evaluation, either Urbik or Rinehard gets bumped back to the twos, and Levitre reascends to his old spot.

Lighting a fire under Levitre (who had said himself he wasn’t in top form) is an added bonus.

by cmeid on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good

Win/Win situation with our O/L. Here comes another record breaking season! Bonus!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Problem isnt Left Side

It is the Right Side, so how does replacing Levitre solve anything?

by Dingus Day on Aug 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If it upgrades the OL, then it should be done. I happen to think that playing Rhinehart ont he right and leaving Levitre will help it the most, but at this point I’ll take any upgrade.

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by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gailey wanted Levitre to "wake up" a bit and play with a bit more fire, he looked a little passive Saturday

And I think they figure the best way to do that is to threaten his spot as a starter and see what happens.

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by WABillsfan on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely. But if Rhinehart turns out to be an upgrade, he should start.

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by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say no to that, then why not look at Levitre over at Urbik's spot as well later? Urbik did nothing

to make me trust him over on the right side….

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by WABillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping that Gailey is just going to start the 5 best guys on the OL, even if they’re rusty for the first week or two…that may be Rhinehart and Levitre at the guards and Rubik on the bench…or maybe Hang gets in there, I don’t know. But I expect he’s going to start the best five guys.

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by stetzwebs on Aug 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about a wild over-reaction

I would expect a post like this on the Buffalo Bills Message Board, but lets try to bring a bit more reason into this.

Gailey said in no uncertain terms that depth on the oline is a serious issue. We need to find out what we have, and who can step up. How do we go about testing that?

Simple. You take a position that has been solid and that is an anchor on the line and swap it out with the people you want to test. In this case, it is Levitre. Examing his performance both in camp and preseason this year and all last year, there is absolutely no logical reason for Levitre to be “demoted”. In fact, for all intents and purposes, he hasn’t been yet. He is taking 1st team reps today and it has been noted that he and Rinehart will be rotating. This will show Gailey what the oline looks like with both guys, and determine the level of his depth at a crucial position. The competition also pushed Levitre to play at a higher level as well.

If it turns out that Rinehart is better than Levitre, that is by no means a failing on Levitre or the 2009 class. If anything, it will give Gailey the option to swap the better player over to the right and see how they fare there.

Whatever the plan may be, I think it is way too early to be writing Levitre’s obituary, or even discussing it. The guy has been solid since we drafted him, and remains such. Its the others around him who are being measured to his mark, not vice versa.

by Wien on Aug 17, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.
I think Chan is just trying to figure out which of our backup O-line is the best because one or two are going to get cut.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...But...

Couldnt you in theory try Rhinehart on the Right side in place of Urbik? Basically what I don’t want to see is the same tinkering we saw previously which ended up with Langston Walker cut week b4 season started and everyone scratching their heads…Maybe Levitre isnt ideal, but he is passable, durable andd has plenty of upside….

by Dingus Day on Aug 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly......

and if they wanted to try Rhinehart on the left, then why not try Levitre on the right and let Urbik run with the two’s? Wouldn’t that motivate Urbik too?

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by Joe P. on Aug 17, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great

Were trying to motivate 2nd rd draft picks and dumpster dive wannabes and its a toss up! Someone please tell me were not this weak as a team overall! I don’t blame Nix or Chan, were truly gonna get a great draft pick outa this season i guarantee!

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by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could tell you that, but I would be lying :-)

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by Joe P. on Aug 18, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could but it depends on your goal. Chan may just be trying to get a good gage of where Rinehart is by seeing how he compares to a solid baseline (Levitre). He may want to know something that comparing him to Urbik wouldn’t tell him. RG is also different than LG, which means he may only want to move someone once and is just trying to figure out which to try to move.

by Lifyre on Aug 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levitre is the known quantity. The unknowns are Rinehart and Urbik more effective to get a look at both with each getting a decent amount of reps with the ones. If Rinehart outplays Urbik under similar circumstances he takes over at RG and Levitre resumes his role at LG.

Harooo

by Robot Nixon on Aug 17, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Know Quantity?

What exactly do we know regarding Levitre’s ability? Unless your privy to day to day insight regarding HC’s opinions we have to assume Chan knows what day it is. I’m more concerned if this regime is gonna be the next excuse for why Buffalo can’t catch a play-off sniff in over what seems like a lifetime? I mean really how long does it take to get re-built, 20 yrs? When do you say ok, can’t be hired helps fault for over 11 yrs. and still got nothing! Wilson needs to sell because my gosh this is way old. Ralph’s not stupid though he’s pulled this stuff for this long and still people are buying it!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you feel the need to take a cheap shot at the editor here

But the “I would expect a post like this one the BBMB…” line really wasn’t necessary.

 Your point is as much speculation and guessing as is the point that Levitre might be losing his starting job. In no way do you know for a fact that this is nothing more than simply looking to see who can fill in if need be. This very well could be as you said just to see who could fill in and play the role if need be, but it also could be mean Levitre’s play wasn’t up to par in Gailey’s eyes and Rinehart may be getting the chance to start. I would also say that if Levitre was to lose his starting position at LG to Rinehart it is a failing on Levitre because he was drafted specifically for that job and position. If he fails and someone else replaces him at the spot then obviously he failed.

Nobody was writing Levitre’s obituary, all this means is his stock is taking a slight hit here. The offense looked bad in the 1st preseason game and this message just lets the guys know that nobodys job is safe. Even a 2nd round pick’s who has been the starting LG for the past 2 seasons. It’s time for ALL Bills players to step up and prove why they are on the team and/or starting.

The pot shots at the editor aren’t needed here though either let’s also leave those type of comments at the Bills Message Board as well.

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by panekattack on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My shots are like my whiskey; cheap and intoxicating

Why else would you respond to such a piffle comment with that screed?

And wild speculation, in case you haven’t noticed, is the soup de jour. Of course I don’t know any of what I said.

Just like nobody knows that this “demotion” (which it is not, it is a rotation) spells the end of Levitre and as such, the 2009 draft class. His draft stock didn’t take any hits, and I think its time people stop putting so much stock into a drafted player’s stock AFTER they’ve already been drafted. On that, I agree with Gailey (or was it Nix… one of them in the post Maybin release comments) 100%. Does Levitre’s magically lowered draft stock (and why does that matter anyway? He is already drafted) suddenly make him a less effective player? Do we all hate Levitre now, is there a movement to drive him off the team? Quite the opposite, the initial reaction to the rotation was confusion from the fanbase; we KNOW Levitre is good, so it has no baring on his “draft stock” or the condition of the 2009 draft class.

On a slightly related note, I think people should recognize that draft class turnover is normal. Teams pick 5-10 players every year and have 53 man limitations. Top picks get paid tons, which means that turnover on picks happens. Granted, that shouldn’t be the case as drastically as the 2007 class (4 years after the fact and nobody is still around… unacceptable). I would like to commission a study to see the drafted player retention rate from around the league, 1…2…3…4 years after the fact.

by Wien on Aug 17, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

nevermind potential, shawn nelson has talent.;. the bills would be making a mistake if they do cut him.

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by chaucer on Aug 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

totally disagree. shawn nelson has literally been as useless as aaron maybin thusfar. at some point “talent” and “productive football player” need to meet.
shouldnt let go of a good first or second year guy to keep the third year one whose had loads of opportunities and done absolutely nothing

by boomsauce on Aug 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Nelson has talent, but he cannot get the migraines in check, and if he has, he’s still constantly getting injured.

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by thefourwinds on Aug 17, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nelson

Migranes and injuries, give him a extension! I’m sure he’ll come around!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nelson's leg is injured

Simone rolled up his leg at the end of a play in practice last week. He’s out 7-10, nothing to do with migraines.

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by Montel on Aug 18, 2011 1:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh

Than were all set at WR, Nelson the all-pro is fine. Alert he media, they may need some advance notice..

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

i cant find the article that i intended to say this in, but regarding the bills’ losses last year, and the pieces we have in place now, it isn’t far-fetched to think that we can make the playoffs this year. we lost so many close games last season, and were extremely competitive. i think if fitz plays stellar, and our D is solid, we have a shot. but we have to keep players that can help us get there, and though i was not a huge fan of evans, i think he would have helped us. paul poz would have helped as well. so, it’s POSSIBLE we’ve taken a couple of small steps back. in any event, i am excited about our team, our season, and i think we might surprise a lot of people.

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by chaucer on Aug 17, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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The Return of the Running Back(s): Revisiting the Road to the Super Bowl
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Difference Between A "Franchise" QB and an "Elite" One
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Be A Little Nicer Please, Bills Fans  :)
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Current QB Wins
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The Count-Down to the Right Numbers
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Ranking All 32 NFL Starting QB's : Who is ELITE?
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Next Stop: 3rd Generation of Winners

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