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Bills Have Depth, Options At Inside Linebacker

When the Buffalo Bills lost free agent linebacker Paul Posluszny to the Jacksonville Jaguars and their wads of cash in late July, something of a panic set in amongst the fan base. A position already perceived as weak was suddenly looking much weaker. While fans scrambled to find and advocate for replacements, the Bills reacted rationally, making one position switch and one signing to re-bolster its suddenly varied depth.

Nick Barnett is the star of the group, as he's the only player that the team will be reliant upon on an every-down basis. Provided he's healthy - and again, that's a big if after missing 19 of 48 games in the last three seasons - he'll be on the field in every defensive front, and he'll be utilized in coverage and as a blitzer.

From there, that's where things get interesting. While the group isn't overwhelming from a talent perspective, there is depth in numbers, and a wide variety of assets that the team can use. As many as six of these players could conceivably make the team's final 53-man roster.

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The interesting part of the group is that beyond Barnett, there isn't a need for an every-down defender, as Buffalo's scheme flip-flopping between 3-4 and 4-3 looks - as well as standard nickel and dime packages that take linebackers off of the field - really only calls for one full-time 'backer. Therefore, beyond Barnett, the Bills have a variety of players that can specialize in specific skill sets for the time being.

Andra Davis and Reggie Torbor have been getting reps alongside Barnett with the first-team defense this pre-season. Davis, who played very well in the pre-season opener against Chicago, has been on the field for run downs, while the team has subbed Torbor into the nickel package as a coverage player, as he's slightly better than Davis in that department. Between those two veterans, the Bills will get heady (if unspectacular) play alongside Barnett - again, provided they can stay healthy.

When Posluszny departed, the team made a surprise move sliding Arthur Moats to the inside linebacker position. With three veterans in front of him for the time being, it's the team's hope that Moats can be groomed to be the next every-down linebacker beyond Barnett - a coverage and blitzing threat that can be on the field at all times in the team's hybrid defense. Moats is a natural pass rusher that shouldn't have trouble adjusting to that role inside (and who may be able to contribute in that capacity right away), but is a ways off in terms of getting the coverage aspect of the game down. He's certainly in possession of enough athletic upside to eventually pull it off.

We're four players deep into this discussion and have not yet mentioned Kelvin Sheppard and Chris White, two rookies that have unfortunately been dealing with injuries this pre-season. It's not yet clear what upside these two players possess, but at the very least, they'll add to the team's depth and special teams units as rookies. The team is high on Sheppard, their third-round pick out of LSU, but the underrated White has some upside, as well.

In the end, this group may not overwhelm at first blush, but when your team legitimately goes six deep with players that can be useful elements of a football team, you're not doing too poorly. With three veterans and three youngsters at the position, it's entirely conceivable that the Bills can get by - or perhaps even excel - at this position this year, while developing understudies for when the veterans depart. (Davis and Torbor, for example, are free agents after the 2011 season concludes.) At the very least, it's a good spot to be in just weeks after losing the fan favorite Posluszny.

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With his injury it wouldn’t shock me if the Bills cut White and put him on the PS. Or IR.

With Carrington getting OLB time I would think 9 LBs is more likely than 10 on the final roster (excluding Carrington from that number).

by Pistol on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think IR is more likely. Gailey did it for a few rookies last year.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 17, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have trouble with Moats at ILB, but that’s mainly based on watching him last preseason at that spot. He had trouble playing in space. Perhaps Moats is a younger version of Andra Davis? If nothing else, then we have two strong run supporters in case one gets injured.
I’m excited to see Sheppard, but I don’t know about White. On television, he looked undersized and overwhelmed by bigger lineman (but I didn’t do a play by play breakdown of the game or practices to make this statement an evaluation).
I don’t think we’ll miss Poz, but I don’t think we can hope to excel from this position. Luckily for the Bills (or at least the Bills are with the trend) , it seems that the NFL is trending away from big time ‘MIke’ backers just like it has been trending away from big time running backs. Lots of teams appear to be weary of committing big money to a position that is readily replaceable and where weaker play can be covered by other positions. (Poz being the exception to the rule)

by WV2Buffalo on Aug 17, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

how many of those other ilb's can run 40 yrds down field and cover a wr

Not to mention covering a TE

Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it

by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 18, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think that they are going to keep a lot of linebackers this year. I think that they will do it because of the injury history of Barnett, Merriman, and recently Andra Davis.

by AP22 on Aug 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think they let Moats chase a QB once in a while. He showed real promise there last year. They’ll train him up to be a thumper, but he still possesses the ability to rush from the outside is called upon. It’s like filling 2 reserve positions at the same time.

"I've never been a big numbers guy. Numbers are good for giving you numbers, but great QBs make the plays that keep drives alive, move chains and win games."
-Bill Cowher

by superchops on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

What is up with people wanting thumpers? If you hit someone in the chest, they can get knocked backwards but they can still run for positive yards. And that can be a killer on a key 3rd down. If you wrap someone up by the legs, they can’t go anywhere.

by AP22 on Aug 17, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Thumper" doesn't mean "tackler" as a whole

When speaking about inside linebackers in a 3-4, they need to have the ability to engage guards and centers, and shed the block. And by shedding, I don’t mean running around the block.

Most “Will” inside linebackers tend to be run-and-hit types that don’t shed blocks well. Barnett and Posluszny are examples. Examples of engage-and-shed type of Will inside linebackers are David Harris and James Farrior.

Moats has the ability to be the latter type. At 6-0 and listed at 259 pounds, he has the bulk to take on the interior lineman, and the strength to shed the block. He then has the speed and skill to engage the ball carrier, whether that be in the legs or up high.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for explaining that one. Because from what I have read from other message boards, people were clamoring for a linebacker that was a “thumper” and not a leg tackler. And they used Posluszny as an example. And to me that argument made no sense. Yes it would on highlights but it isn’t necessarily the most efficient way of stopping the runner. Thanks again for your post.

by AP22 on Aug 17, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 17, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I understand your argument, I must disagree. A guy that tackles at the legs always allows the ball carrier to carry their momentum, or fall forward, for another 1-2 yards. While a thumper might not always make a clean tackle, they are much more apt to keep the offensive player from gaining any more yards. The most effective linebackers in the league tackle above the waist; Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Lance Briggs, etc. So I guess I understand what you’re saying, and guys like Poz tackling at the ankles and legs can still be effective, they are just more likely to be playing db than lb.

GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!

by hoosier3 on Aug 17, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moats has the ability to be the latter type. At 6-0 and listed at 259 pounds, he has the bulk to take on the interior lineman, and the strength to shed the block. He then has the speed and skill to engage the ball carrier, whether that be in the legs or up high.

Moats is going to be that everydown ILB like Barnett to be used in blitz packages – because he showed that ability last yr – and coverage…Sheppard is going to be groomed to be that “thumper.”

by youngchamp on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't they both be stack and shed linebackers?

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 18, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if anyone is going to argue about third and short or goaline situations, then I have an answer for that. One player goes for the legs and another goes for the chest. A perfect example is the Cincinnati game last year when Kyle wrapped up Benson and Poz finished him off.

by AP22 on Aug 17, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I started camp assuming either Davis or Torbor would be cut, but that is looking less likely with both rookies missing time with injury. I’m still hoping that Sheppard can show enough in the next couple of weeks to allow the team to cut Davis or Torber (freeing them up to keep younger talent – at LB or elsewhere).

by GVG22 on Aug 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Davis

Is a very good player (when not injured) so not him, please.

by zoomer02 on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our D-line is going to make it easier for whomever is rushing the passer. The LBs and SS need to recognize a checkdown or scramble. We got burned vs the bears w that. And wtf is with special teams? Knox is good but theres far better we will face. Mr hester for one.

by Feedjasper on Aug 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And wtf is with special teams? Knox is good but theres far better we will face. Mr hester for one.

The problem is Nix should have NEVER got rid of Bobby April. Heck I would have given him some sort of fancy title to keep him from walking cause he’s a heck of a lot better than DeHaven IMO.

by youngchamp on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moats at inside linebacker makes some sense

I just finished watching the Bills game rebroadcast on NFL network. Buffalo is playing a hybrid defense for sure, with a lot of time spent in a 46-style front. In that look, the 3-4 inside linebacker would essentially become the weakside outside linebacker in the 46. This would put Moats in position to rush at times.

Also, with Moats’ height and bulk (listed at 259), he’s built like an inside linebacker. And playing on the inside wouldn’t necessarily preclude any pass rushing opportunities. He could be an equally effective rusher off the blitz as off the edge; only time will tell.

All in all, I really like where this defense is going, particularly if Merriman stays healthy and effective. In the course of two off-seasons, Nix has turned a small, penetrating unit into a big, tough unit. Carrington and Troup have bulked up, and Dareus is a very large individual. This group could be incredibly difficult to do anything against in a few years.

I think he addition of a college DE-turned OLB in the 2012 draft (Donta Page-Moss?) could turn this defense into something great.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Was moats up on the line for any plays you noticed?

by dgrid on Aug 17, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

None that I noticed

But he was in position to be. Pre-season packages are so vanilla, so I’m not reading into it. A simple five step walk forward and Moats was playing along the line.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Aug 17, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

It kind of sounds like you are being a smartass. But I see what you are saying and I like it. Moats could is a really intriguing prospect if he can improve his coverage skills.

by greysquirrel on Aug 17, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

inside linebacker
Pretty disappointed w/ Poz No very disappointed especially the way he sounded off as a devoted team player… But like the pick up of Barnett , the move of Moat and the addition of Shep and White. Feel like w / the vets (Torbor/Davis ) these 3 (rookies) can replace them soon then later.

by Bufbills on Aug 17, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

i really expect

Shep go back to work and start in mid season at least. This guy can be very good and the leader of our D.

PS.: How about bring mark levoir? The Pats released him. Can play both tackles spot and is training at guard too.

by Fernando brazil on Aug 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Fantasy Football

I know this is not a FF post, but since it’s the most recent I’ll use this one. Looking to join one maybe two more FF leagues. If you have a spot open let me know at memodietz@facebook.com

by thememo on Aug 17, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

As long as we are hijacking............

Limas Sweed (aka James Hardy) was cut by the Steelers today.
Two guys with promise.
Two guys who have stone fingers.
Two guys who can’t stay on the field.

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 17, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dual threat

Having Moats on the inside would help him learn how to read the offense and make the proper calls,and I say on passing downs move him to the edge where he could rush the passer ,given his size and speed I think once he dips his shoulders he can easily beat some of the tackles out there and make plays for us.

by morpheus123456 on Aug 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

So we do have some depth! I hope its real depth and just not scrubs on top of scrubs kinda depth like our O/L which truly is offensive!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 18, 2011 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I think our O-line is better than last year

this year they have Dareus coming at them on every down, they will be alright

by badnewsBills on Aug 18, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

really think so?

"Alright Men, lets go out there, bust um in the chops & get somebody bloody. If your not a superstar you best be sweating that ass off. Take the W in battle & make the Bills Nation Proud."

by Blood, sweat & Win on Aug 18, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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