Gregg Easterbrook Has Right Point, Wrong Facts About Buffalo Bills' Cheapness
On Tuesday, ESPN's Gregg Easterbrook published an article entitled "How To Win Big By Losing Cheaply," and unsurprisingly mentioned the Buffalo Bills as a team that makes money without being good based on the NFL's revenue sharing system. Normally Easterbrook is spot on with his analysis, in my opinion, but this time there were some serious holes in his argument.
I think I need to say this before we even get started: this has nothing to do with the mainstream media picking on the Bills. I've received tweet after tweet about how it's another example of that practice. This is simply misinformation, and it's not a bias against one team or another. If the Bills were good, they'd get better coverage. The best announcing team was always calling the Bills games in the early '90s.
Getting back to the Easterbrook article, the main point is that teams that lose cheaply make just as much money as teams that win by spending money. Each seat that's paid for results in a net gain of somewhere between $20 and $30, according to Easterbrook's numbers, and he backs it up with data from the Green Bay Packers' books. No matter how good you are, that number stays the same.
Easterbrook also notes that most teams, including Buffalo, are going to sell 90 percent or more of their seats regardless of record. If an NFL team can gain $1 million or so by selling a few more seats, it's not really worth it to spend $10 million more on a better product, because you'd actually be about $9 million behind.
Those figures make perfect sense. The league's teams make their money from the TV deals. The stadium experience is a distant money-maker.
After that initial information is where Easterbrook completely loses me. It's not because I don't understand. It's because he uses terrible information to make his point:
For Buffalo, this is a recent pattern. Just before the 2009 season began, the Bills waived their starting left tackle, Langston Walker, and the team's highest-paid offensive player. Two games into the 2010 season, the Bills waived their starting quarterback, Trent Edwards, their second-highest-paid offensive player. Both actions increased profits while setting up an excuse for a losing season.
Easterbrook fails to mention that the Bills didn't cut Walker to save money. They cut him because he was bad. The team's mistake wasn't in releasing the guy to save money, as he implies, but in signing him in the first place. Releasing Walker was the right football move and pretty much everyone agreed to that fact despite the struggles of the Bills' offensive line. Walker started two games for the Oakland Raiders that season. That's how good he was - an injury fill-in.
Last year, the Bills released Edwards after three weeks, not two. (Edwards only played in two of those weeks, so maybe that's the confusion.) That's an honest mistake to make if you go look at Pro Football Reference and see a "2" next to Edwards' name. The other part of that sentence is so grossly incorrect it totally turns me off to the entire article.
Edwards was not the second-highest paid offensive player in 2010. In fact, he was far from it. As a former third-round pick playing out his rookie contract, Edwards was making a pittance compared to some of his offensive teammates. Here's a brief list of folks who made more than Edwards' $1 million in 2010 (the numbers are the yearly averages of the contract, unless better information was available):
- RB C.J. Spiller (Approx $5M)
- WR Lee Evans (Approx $4M)
- OT Cornell Green (Approx $3M)
- QB Ryan Fitzpatrick (Approx $3M)
- OL Geoff Hangartner (Approx $2.5M)
- WR Roscoe Parrish (Approx $1.5M)
- RB Fred Jackson (Approx $1.5M)
- OL Eric Wood (Approx $1.5M)
Edwards was the second-highest-paid quarterback on the team behind Fitzpatrick, whose $3 million salary was three times what they would have paid Edwards. They didn't release Edwards in a salary dump. It was purely based on play. They re-signed QB Levi Brown, who made less than $400K, and saved roughly $600K by doing so. That's not exactly breaking the bank, especially when the Bills would have made up that difference if they had been better and sold out all their games.
To Easterbrook's point of both of those moves setting up excuses for the Bills having a bad season, did it really hurt that Edwards wasn't under center? Nobody was pining for Edwards or Walker to be back on the team. He completely misses the validity of both of these moves.
Easterbrook mentions all of this in the wake of the Evans trade, which he says is just the latest example of how the Bills are cutting expenses without any care for on-field performance. This trade is the only three of his "salary dumps" that actually may have made the team worse, but he still fails to land a blow:
Buffalo, 11 consecutive years out of the playoffs, just traded one of its few established performers, Lee Evans, to the Ravens for a middling draft pick. Unloading Evans and replacing him with a minimum-salary young player cuts the Bills' costs by about $3 million this season, which is more than profits would rise if every seat were sold. Trading Evans makes a winning season less likely, but the odds of a profitable season go up -- and a built-in excuse is created. How long until a Buffalo team official says, "We knew we'd have an off year when we lost Lee Evans," as if he had been swept from the practice field by helicopter-borne commandos, rather than deliberately traded away.
While it's true that the Bills will save a little under $3 million this season by jettisoning Evans, it also needs to be noted that it wasn't merely a cost-saving move. Head coach Chan Gailey has been calling out Evans' route-running for more than a season, saying he needed to develop more underneath routes to become a complete receiver. That sentiment hasn't been disputed in the media or by fans.
At the same time, if Buffalo was so concerned about dumping his money, why didn't they cut Evans before the league year ended and his $1.5M roster bonus would need to be given? If that last bit of money is so important, as Easterbrook suggests, the Bills certainly shouldn't have paid it to Evans at the start of the league year.
While those previous statements were questionable, his comments on Aaron Maybin blow my mind:
During the offseason, coach Chan Gailey and general manager Buddy Nix repeatedly criticized defensive end Aaron Maybin, the 11th overall choice of the 2009 draft. Then this summer, they tried to trade him. The public criticism meant other teams knew Maybin would be waived, so no one made a trade offer, leaving the Bills with nothing when they released Maybin last week. So was the public criticism nonsensical? Not if the goal is to lose cheaply.
Making a great show of discussing how bad the previous regime's high draft pick was creates an excuse for Gailey and Nix to present a losing team in 2011 -- "What did you expect, when the guys who came before us blew the team's 2009 first-round pick?" Since arriving a year ago, Nix has waived, traded or let go four recent first-round draft choices (Maybin, Evans, Marshawn Lynch and Donte Whitner), cutting costs while shifting blame backward to the previous coach and general manager.
Let's start with Maybin, since Easterbrook did. Nix and Gailey have criticized Maybin publicly since they came on board. They were also surely doing it behind the scenes in an attempt to motivate the Penn State product. I highly doubt public criticism of Maybin led to his not being traded, and it had more to do with his zero career sacks. Drafting and not playing Maybin is not my idea of losing cheaply. It's my idea of blowing a first-round pick and spending a lot of money. The previous regime certainly deserves the blame for this, and Buddy Nix hasn't thrown them under the bus publicly.
Nix and Gailey haven't "made a great show of discussing how bad the previous regime's high draft pick was". And as for "cutting costs," Evans was the only one on his second deal - and the only one making a significant amount of money. Lynch was second-string behind Fred Jackson. There was little drop-off when Whitner was replaced by George Wilson. It seems like he's trying to make a point more than actually making football sense.
And that's the crux of my opinion on this article: Easterbrook is shoe-horning specific Bills into his argument for cutting costs, instead of making the easy points to make about trading Evans and talking about what the team spent on their total roster. It's not difficult to prove that the Bills are cheap, but he went out of his way to do that and got caught in some details.
103 comments
|
11 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
A national sports reporter has wrong facts about a Buffalo team
Oh there’s a big surprise! That’s an incredible – I think I’m going to have a heart attack and die of not surprise!
It seems to be a requirement when graduating from sports journalism school that when you write about a Buffalo sports team that your facts must be wrong.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Galliford graduated from sports journalism school……
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Aug 24, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but Brian is a local sports journalist, not a national one. Local sports journalists are expected to be knowledgeable about their specific assignment. It doesn’t always happen but it can. National sports journalists are expected to sell to a national market…and dismissing small market franchises and doing poor (if any) research about them helps that purpose.
Easterbrook isn’t writing to inform people. He’s writing for people who want their already existing opinions verified.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Still have to do your research. If you don’t present accurate facts at any level you look like a clown. Easterbrook blew it. Writing for a national audience you had better have all of your facts straight. There is a reason that the Shawne Merriman story went no where. The facts were wrong, and that was a “local sports journalist” too.
Then it must have been a sucky program because he gets all his facts right about Buffalo area teams
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
The piece is well done
Normally Easterbrook is spot on with his analysis
However, I’ve never disagreed with something on this site so vehemently as this statement. Basically, your conclusion…
Easterbrook is shoe-horning specific Bills into his argument
…holds true for 90% of everything he writes. He has a list of 20 or so stupid narrative devices/theories, jams and twists whatever actually happened to fit those theories (like his grossly oversimplified theory on blitzing), and craps out a 5000 word column of the most smug football analysis anywhere.
Check out buddynixon.com for more of my work.
Well yeah, most of the article is my conclusion. :-)
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
I cant stand reading his columns.
Both for the constant piling on the Bills and his general smugness and arrogance.
Good get 'em Brian!!!! Great article and rebuttal!!!
by BuffaloFanFromCT on Aug 24, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Paying
He should have compared the Bills to the most recent Sabres ownership to explain winning on the cheap. Let’s look at what the Sabres are doing. They aren’t going to sell many more tickets, but they are creating a culture and atmosphere that is desireable for players and fans. You hear often from other NFL players that Buffalo is a terrible place. It isn’t because the fans aren’t loyal, it is the poor atmosphere that the ownership and management has created. Why not spend all the money under the cap for an improved o-line? Or a top flight head coach? Maybe they tried! Maybe Clabo and Shanahan never would have come to Buffalo, not because the Bills are cheap, but because there isn’t a culture of winning and an attitude of excellence.
I hate how much I love the Bills.
meh...
“You hear often from other NFL players that Buffalo is a terrible place…poor atmosphere that the ownership and management has created.”
I think it has a whole bunch more to do with the team being a dead horse and the city being pretty dead as well.
Maybe
It is interesting to compare/contrast Buffalo to the Buccaneers. They are spending less than the Bills but enjoy in a nice climate/city. As someone who has worked with the Glazer family, I can say their culture is worse than the Bills. They continue to struggle to fill their stadium. Part is the economy there but it is more that they have desensitized their fan base by years of financial neglect and inability to put a good team on the field.
I hate how much I love the Bills.
by TimmyDaSaint on Aug 24, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not giving Tampa an out with the "woe is me economy" crap
The greater Tampa area has a population a lot larger than Buffalo.
Therefore:
I blame their fans for not supporting their team. Not economics.
A few Tampa home games last year looked like preseason games. Nobody there.
Our population is smaller and our economy sucks.
But our fans still show up.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of that has to do with the fact that so many people down there aren’t originally from the area, and have affinities to rust belt or northeast teams.
Check out buddynixon.com for more of my work.
Still don’t buy it brother.
They sold out that place for years with Dungy and Chuckie.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We should throw the future LA Jags in that pile too. Have they taken the tarps off of those seats yet? FL just has poor support for pro teams. With the ’noles, Gators and hurricanes around, with players from/near your home town why would you waste your time with a bad team? They care when their pro teams are good, and abandon ship when they are bad.
“There are no fair-weather Buffalo fans”
Then again, your talking about a franchise with a culture of losing for years ingrained into it.
Only a long term successful run can change that feeling for a local populace, what I like to think of as the childhood rule.
If you grew up with a team that won consistently while you were between the ages of 5 and 15, you will be loyal to it beyond just family based loyalty. But if your team reeks, or is very up and down in that 10 year period, then your going to be less willing to just accept bad seasons and results because you cannot fall back onto things such as, “We went to 4 straight Superbowls!” like Bills fans can.
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Agree
I agree that we have a rich history, but I am going to have a hard time brainwashing my son to love the Bills like my dad did. It was easy for him to brainwash me. I was 10 in 1990 and will never forget those great memories of tearring down the goal posts and my first live game when we clinched home field throughout the playoffs. My son will get to experience another drunk screaming profanities in frustration and disgust of the current ownership and management.
I hate how much I love the Bills.
by TimmyDaSaint on Aug 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i never hear that
when players leave buffalo (excpet lynch) they generally rave about the football atmosphere of the fans and the team. We have historically extended players that were good, too. If you come to buffalo and perform you are a god in the town and the management extends you.
Really?
Or you consistently underperform like Chris Kelsay and you get a big extension.
I hate how much I love the Bills.
by TimmyDaSaint on Aug 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Switch to AFC West and we can win dirt cheap like the Chiefs.
by greysquirrel on Aug 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd much rather switch to the AFC North
Cleveland, pittsburgh and Cincy would make for some nice rivalries. Baltimore can come to the East and have intense rivalries with the Pats and Jets. The NFC North wouldn’t be terrible, but those teams are a bit far away.
I wish my baseball team would get out of the AL East too. Itd be nice to see some reshufling of divisions in sports every now and then to freshen things up.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good call. I like how geographically tight that would be. Could literally road trip to any of those guys on a whim.
by greysquirrel on Aug 24, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No way K!
I want to enjoy passionately hating the Patsies, Jets and Fish for the rest of my life.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a very real possibility, I think the NFL even wanted that to happen, but Ralph’s love of the Dolphins rivalry kept us in the AFC East.
Check out buddynixon.com for more of my work.
I remember that also.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicely done Matt
No offense, but that may have been my favorite article you’ve written.
Does Easterbrook have Twitter, so you can send him this article? He needs to read it and hopefully respond. He usually does a decent job of responding to criticsms, doesn’t he?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope he responds, at least privately
You’ll have to let me know :)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’ll have to let me know
I wanna know too!
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, that man has never once responded to an email I have sent him critiquing incorrect material in an article, I will be
stunned if he writes you back.
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Excellent article, though I would disagree on Langston Walker
This piece does a great job of demolishing Easterbrook’s highly inaccurate argument about the Bills, but I would take issue on one detail. Langston Walker was a very good RT during his time in Buffalo. When he was teamed up with Brad Butler at RG the right side of our o-line was absolutely solid both in pass pro and run-blocking. Walker was still a fine RT at the time he was cut, although moving him to the left side proved to be a disaster (like many RT’s, he was a road-grader style blocker, while at LT you need to be very quick on your feet to handle speed rushers — which Langston was not). I have read several pieces by reputable local sports journalists that report on the dismay in the Bills locker room when Walker was let go — not so much because he was popular, but because he was such an important piece of an o-line that was falling to pieces with all the new personnel. The players interpreted Walker’s departure as a sign that management couldn’t care less about winning that year. $5 million may have been a bit high for his salary at that point in his career, but not by that much given the going rate for good RT’s.
by Macktruck on Aug 24, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed, he was a decent RT, horrible LT
we should have never bailed without a backup, we still haave not recovered.
More the reason Buffalo will not move..
One could conclude from his article that building bigger stadiums and paying up to the cap or paying more money does nothing but eat into profits. More money also does not relate to success on the field. So any reasonable business person who is interestes in making the most on his investment would buy teams like the Bills and reap the rewards.
by mquintieri on Aug 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One could conclude from his article that building bigger stadiums and paying up to the cap or paying more money does nothing but eat into profits.
I have been saying that about the stadium for years. More people need to realize it. Thanks for mentioning it here as it relates well to the conversation.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This is also something that the league is going to have to address at some point. They’re not going to be able to extort money from local and state governments forever for new stadia, particularly in this economy, so they’re going to have to come up with some sort of financial plan that will allow them to build new stadia at owner/league expense.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Maybe on an average ticket
But when you’re factoring in numerous luxury boxes at exhorborant prices in bigger, richer cities, you’ll see a far bigger profit. Throw in merchandise sales in bigger cities and you can see a profit margin through the roof.
I do question Easterbrook’s numbers a bit if they’re based solely on the Packers. I’m sure they aren’t loaded with luxury boxes like Dallas, Philly, NJ and NE are for example, so who knows how their “profit per seat” might look.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent
Exactly, it all depends on the elasticity of revenue to investment. In Buffalo its low… in the places you list its high.
by greysquirrel on Aug 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a zero sum game...
The additional money charged for the boxes or PSL is only used to offset the higher cost it does not push profits higher. Forbes who produces as estimate of team profits shows NY (both teams) and Dallas losing money precisely because of the higher costs.
Sure that's not a result of building the new stadiums?
I findit hard to believe those teams aren’t raking in millions on their numerous luxury suites. Those things have to cost $20-40K a game.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Aug 24, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For most games at Cowboy stadium they run $16,500 this year from a third party, special games are slightly more, which works out to roughly $1000 a seat. Not only does that money go to pay for the cost of the operation of that suite it also covers equipping, building, and maintaining those suites. Trust me there are no millions of dollars being made off of the luxury suites. Are they profitable? Perhaps, but only marginally so when all of the costs are calculated.
And also in Green Bay you have an ownership situation that you not only do not have in any other city in the league but one which the league has been staunchly opposed to duplicating anywhere else. Green Bay is the exception among NFL markets and Easterbrook is using it as the norm. That certainly looks like he was deliberately cooking the numbers to support his argument.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Financially it is likely to be fairly representative of typical costs and profits around the league as many of those things don’t vary much from market to market. Are his numbers going to be exactly right for every team? Not at all but you can’t argue that the Bills or really any other team is making substantially more than that per ticket and if they’re making less it makes his argument that much stronger.
He’s using it to show how much they make per game and they are literally the only team you can use to do so. He was not cooking numbers in this case.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If it is the only team you actually CAN use, then he simply doesn’t have enough information to make an educated opinion about overall league finances. His entire argument rests on a presumption that is almost certainly nowhere near the reality of the situation. You simply can’t use the Packers as a financial benchmark because their situation exists nowhere else in the game and the league wants to keep it that way.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
He cites another anonymous team exec, presumably from a different team, as well. For what that’s worth. And it’s not hard to get a rough estimate of those numbers. Madden does it in Owner mode, too.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 26, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
mdse sales must skyrocket when a team is good a few years in a row
living in FL during the 90’s you would see 78, 12 and 83 jerseys all the time with an occasional 58, too.
I know this about the Packers,
having a friend that move there recently. One of the ways they generate revenue that other small-market teams can’t do is the daily tours they give at the stadium (always packed) along with a restaurant in the stadium that’s open all year around. These might not be major sources of revenue, but for a small-market team, this is way to generate revenue that a team like Buffalo couldn’t do.
Just an observation of how the Pack does things successfully.
"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself." - D.H. Lawrence
by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Aug 24, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And a great way to build team loyalty into their fan base by being so open and inviting to them
like the players riding local kids bikes to practice during TC, great way to get the younger people into rooting for the team
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Then again, Malcolm Gladwell makes a great point about how owning a pro-sports franchise, especially a NBA team is not
just about the business sense, though the NFL is closest to being a true business style climate. Please see his article here at Grantland
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Fantastic article.
Easterbrook is way off base with his comments.
It's hard to change perception
There was a time in Bills history that the team was cheap when it came to paying players. That perception continues today even though the Bills have spent money but just haven’t gotten much bang for their buck.
"Only in a rock and roll band can someone like Keith Richards perceive himself as the responsible one."
-- Malcolm Gladwell
Which is completely the issue we have here, we spend money, it just doesn't do anything good for us
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Great work
His whole point is blown up nice work breaking down this nonsense…to bad ignorant Jets fans will believe every word of it……..
by MachineGunKelly on Aug 24, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
They must already, somehow Rexy talked himself into Maybin!
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Nix and Gailey are following the same game plan as every other GM/Coach
when they have a less than talented roster to work with. That’s blow the whole thing up and start over again. When Jimmy Johnson went to the Cowboys he was able to build a contender in 3 years. Well we are only in year 2. So of course the results have been ugly so far.
There are valid criticisms of OBD. (Failure to build an average OL is one of them.) But Easterbrook is way off base if he thinks this was part of a plan.
Re: Jimmy Johnson – the only reason he was able to rebuild the Cowboys so quickly was that the Vikings gave up 9 draft picks for Herschel Walker. Nothing like that has ever happened before or since.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditka tossing the Saints draft for Ricky "Pot-Man" Williams
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
However
The Bills organization does make itself vulnerable to Easterbrook’s arguments, though, doesn’t it? The team continues to turn a profit, and continues to lose. TMQ may need to check some facts, but does it need to retract its conclusion that Ralph Wilson wins big by losing cheaply?
To me, the main point is that the Bills’ are one of the 7 teams with $20M+ of salary cap space (if that’s not true, then the TMQ piece really is worthless) And even with that space, the Bills’ most recent moves have shed salary rather than take it on.
Guessing the intentions of a FO move is a fool’s errand. Was X or Y a football move or money move? who knows. All we know is what the moves did. Did the moves make us better or worse? Did the moves cost or save ownership money? Our record is deteriorating, our payroll is shrinking.
I understand fans defending the players, defending the coach, but I have no emotional reflex to defend our ownership and the FO personnel who work directly below the owner. After all, when is the last time the FO did $omething that really refuted Easterbrook’s basic premise?
My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.
by Job 7:6 on Aug 24, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
main reason for a profit
was the smart biz decision to have toronto games, I think that moved us from a cellar perfomer to middle of the pack. The problem is i cannot see rogers paying the same rate again.
The Bills organization does make itself vulnerable to Easterbrook’s arguments, though, doesn’t it?
Title: “Easterbrook has right point, wrong facts…..”
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is an issue though, our team has some talent, and I would like and I bet the Bills will, use that cap space to
extend certain players to keep them here. I mean, I can think of several guys I want resigned to longer term deals, and we have the space now to do so, and to charge it all to this year to keep future cap costs low.
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
I agree
I agree he used the wrong facts except Evans. I do believe it to be a cost-cutting move hidden under the guise of developing our young receivers. The rest he was clearly wrong on. He is, however, spot on why the Bills are making no attempt to get better through free-agency while sitting with lots of cap space. You cannot dispute the logic of his original argument. The drive to win comes from the individual owner (Jerry Jones for example), while some, are content to bank the money.
You cannot dispute the logic of his original argument.
Yes we can.
The real arguement is not that the Bills are not spending money, see Chris Kelsay’s contract, but that they are not spending it wisely, see Cornell Green’s contract.
Plus we are told, they are in the process of creating a new deal for Meatball, and we are told several others once his is done
"You are drunk, sir!" "And you are ugly, madame! But I will be sober in the morning!"
I don’t think he was referring to the point specifically about the Bills but that teams around the league stand to make more by spending less than the cap than by being good. Which is a perfectly valid point, he just completely screwed up by using the Bills as his example for anyone that knows anything about the Bills.
We are not like the Bungals, who were informed some years ago that they needed to start spending money or get drummed from the NFL
That is why there is a cap floor, which the players nearly gave away.
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Frugal vs. Cheap
I think this boils down to the difference between frugality and being cheap. The Bills in their current enviroment cannot afford to go the Dan Snyder route and pay out $100 million contracts. There is just not enough money in the local economy and in the sale of merchandise to justify the expense.
I think the Bills have been frugal. You may say this is a bad thing. I say look at Pittsburgh. They pay players, but they also know who to pay, and when enough is enough. This is what the Bills (should) do also. The difference is, the Bills are so bad, there is not a lot of in house talent to justify paying. Again, thats being frugal. Why spend the money when the return on the investment does not justify it? If the Bills start getting some good players through the draft, you will see the Bills start to shell out bigger contracts.
Right now the Bills don’t have the players in house to justify paying big contracts, and they simply cannot compete with bigger market teams in the FA market. Get some better players through the draft, the team will get better, and the Bills will start paying more people more money.
"Winning is not a goal. It is a belief."
-Terry Pegula-
Great Read
The Ralph is Cheap thing again I see,,sooo,,, one more time-
Ralph was cheap in the 70’s & part 80’s.
Ralph was not cheap in latter 80’s & certainly not ion the 90’s.
Problems since then have been Bad Management/Decision Making on multiple levels.
As for Chix, i believe they are reshaping the team to their vision.
"Alright Men, lets go out there, bust um in the chops & get somebody bloody. If your not a superstar you best be sweating that ass off. Take the W in battle & make the Bills Nation Proud."
by Blood, sweat & Win on Aug 24, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
“Ralph was not cheap in latter 80’s & certainly not ion the 90’s.”
Is this statement really true, or did Ralph just get lucky underpaying players who turned out to be great?
sorry
this was meant to be a reply to Blood Sweat and Win.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills had one one the the highest player wage bills in the league when the salery cap was brought in, hence they had to jettison several players, including Cornelius Bennett I think.
"You are drunk, sir!" "And you are ugly, madame! But I will be sober in the morning!"
Yes, the Bills of the 90s lost their prominence due to the new free agency rules and the salary cap. The new system of sports success seems to be less about just paying the best players the most money, but instead getting a bunch of players together that “want to win” and then some of them play for less than they’d get if they just played for the highest bidder. That’s how some teams have found a way to keep large numbers of good players together.
the statement is true
he redid bruce smith and kelly and thurman in that time, brought in lofton, resigned beebe, brought in spielman at the en. Our 1st round picks almost always started camp on time.Ohyeah he borught in bryce paup, too.
The Bills had a high payroll in the early 90s.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 24, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And Polian to run the team in the GM's office, gosh that still stings doesn't it?
Goose22- "I have a quick first step, I’m so good just go an ask my rep
I look like Tarzan but play like Jane" Aaron May(have)bin
Ralph is old and has never won a Super Bowl.
I know, I know, …….. I’m Captain Obvious.
But, if anyone thinks that Ralph wouldn’t pay a 200 million cap salary to get us a Super Bowl win before he dies, they are out of their mind. In my opinion.
The Bills are his baby. He is our founder.
He is Cornelius! Hahhahaa!
:-)
But seriously folks,
He wants to win.
He is allowing Buddy to do his thing so far, but I think he will ride him like a pony next offseason. He will pressure him, the checkbook will come out, and he is going to stroke some big checks in extending our current players and signing some stud free agents for big money.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
To me, the answer has always been both. Yes, he’s very competitive and wants to win. But he’s also a businessman and it goes against his nature to run at a loss to win, so he tries to do both. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Check out buddynixon.com for more of my work.
If I was 90, I’d spend 300 million to get us players.
Old men do whatever it takes to get what they want. Ralph just doesn’t believe in the Dan Snyder method.
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I’d be a bad owner.
:-)
"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 24, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Old men do whatever it takes to get what they want.
Maybe what he wants is for his family to be as financially well off as he can make them. That certainly would fit with his entire life as a businessman.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
by thefourwinds on Aug 24, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s complete BS 4 winds. His family is very, very, well off right now. The Bills make Millions in profit a year. Millions. Even without that yearly income they are not in danger finacial danger.
Ralph is 93 years old and has never been a winner. The team that he refuses to sell, will sell for close to a Billion dollars when he dies. Most of that money goes to his family. It’s the ultimate life insurance policy. Ralph could have been spending to the cap (instead of cash to cap) for the last 10 years, and still broke even. He will die a rich loser.
If you told me that when he dies the Bills will stay in Buffalo I would hope he dies tomorrow. If the Bills move after he dies I’ll be first in line to vandalize his bust at canton. Red painted X I think.
by buffaloranger on Aug 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ralph could have been spending to the cap (instead of cash to cap) for the last 10 years, and still broke even.
I don’t think that’s accurate. He’s made, on average, $29M a year in profit. That’s 17th in the league, by the way. If he spent to the cap last year, that erases all of his profit from a year ago. Plus the salary cap is a weird thing when yo utake into account how signing bonuses were spread out over the life of some contracts. There were years when Ralph signed a bunch of free agents (Langston Walker, Derrick Dockery) and gave them huge bonuses up front despite that number being spread out. It’s easy to say you can’t spend $20-something-million in a year to completely erase your profits but that’s three or four non-QB contracts. The truth of the matter is you still have to draft well to win in the NFL. That’s the reason the Bills haven’t won. The Bucs won last year with a lower payroll because they had a young core of drafted players. Packers win because they drafted Rogers; Steelers, too.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 26, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easterbrook is the king of turning a few facts into a bad argument
The guy is incredibly annoying and the point of most of his articles seems to be, “Look how smart I am.”. Then once he starts talking about things outside of football it’s complete drivel.
Or did Ralph and one other Owner hate the last CBA so much so that he vowed to let the team rot away rather than dump more money into the big markets pockets.
With the current CBA and the comments from him that he was much happier with the results as it will help Buffalo stay viable in the future.
Sure we all want to hate Ralph. I know the piece was way off base once he mentioned GB as the measuring stick. In a lot of ways what I read was “I’m truly a frustrated Bills fan but as I can not say that with my current job and future goals in media. As I can write and use my position to try and help the fan base I will write some dribble to call out Ralph and maybe he will get something going or at least let the team go to someone who will!”
I still think everyone is missing the point about the money. Ralph plans to shell out a lot next year. Lets take a year (we have been so bad so long one more year cant kill the fan spirit) and see if we actually have some worthy talent in house first. Then we can next year spend money wiser and actually build from a third solid draft AND THEN get the missing pieces in FA with what ever cash it takes to meet the cap while filling as many holes as possible. The thought being there will be less holes but the ones left will be glaring holes so paying out the nose is expected. They made a very serious run at Clady. To be fair they were well going to over pay him but why go from a part time starter with decent pay and a few more years of being relevant and having a chance to win rather than take the easy payday and not have to care about winning. It is not like they did not try to spend money, they were just not going to waste it on bad talent and would rather wait until better options come available.
I think if we win this weekend this witch hunt for the FO and Ralph will die down…I hope because we finally have a decent FO!
As I said above, I appreciate the way you titled this article because although the facts possibly are skewed I get the main theme of the article. It’s not just Buffalo that was mentioned. How about Cincinnati? Their owner is known throughout the league as being cheap. Yea he’s up there with us with having the most under the cap money. You don’t get this repetition without a reputation or track record.
"A deaf person can hear better than a ignorant person."- Unknown Comedian
Easterbrook is so awful it hurts. He reminds me of Bill O’Reilly in the sense that he takes one thing, in or out of context and runs with it where he deems fit. He uses pieces of information in order to put together an opinion that will raise eyebrows.
Furthermore, He couldn’t be less funny. The only reason I even opened his link is because it looked like the cartoon was of the Bills. Which it was. I should’ve stopped there.
Probably what is most frustrating about the article is that there are hints of merit to what he is saying. I just wish someone smarter could’ve written a more logical piece.
Nice post MRW
There seems to be a lot of anti-TMQ sentiment in this thread, but I have usually found his pieces to be well written and interesting. He does sometimes pick something up and run with it and like many other journos punishes failure (as in our last decade) without acknowledging signs for optimism (but maybe that’s fair enough!). Also, as with any journo, he is only as good as his starting info and in this case he seems to have missed a few tricks. However, I have found that he is open to feedback and I imagine a well argued piece like yours should get a response.

by 































