Tyler Thigpen Contract Details: Three Years, $11 Million
by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 8:30 AM EDT
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PrintBack in March of 2009, the Buffalo Bills signed quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick to a three-year, $9 million deal to serve as the backup to incumbent starter Trent Edwards.
Flash forward 29 months. Fitzpatrick is the team's starter (and may be in line for a much bigger pay raise with a strong season), and the Bills have inked his backup to a three-year, $11 million deal.
At least, that's the assumption we're making based on this tweet from Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Kelly writes that the Miami Dolphins wanted to bring back Tyler Thigpen, but not for three years and $11 million - which we're guessing Thigpen received from the Bills to back up Fitzpatrick and re-unite with head coach Chan Gailey.
Assuming that the NFL's new Collective Bargaining Agreement gets ratified today - and all indications are that it will, despite it not being a lock - the new league year will begin today, and signed free agents will be allowed to practice with their new teams. That means Bills fans are likely to see Thigpen and his hefty new contract on the field tonight.
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This is interesting.
If we draft a QB next year, which is almost a certainty…is it going to be Fitz or Thigpen who is the starter while the rookie sits for a year or 2. Fitz might not get extended.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we can say their drafting a QB — and one early at that — is certain at this point.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Aghhhhh. Don’t say that.
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I hate thinking it, but until we know how the season plays out and get a better feel for Ralph Wilson’s opinions on the team, we can’t say for sure they’ll take a QB.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice chunk of cheese.
Really makes me wonder if in fact Fitz is going to get a contract upgrade in some form.
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 4, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions
So $25M to our backups for the next 3 years???
I’d rather spend that on positions of need, say an OT.
Where’d you get the $25M figure, now?
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Im guessing
Scott and Thigpen? If so 25/26 million over 3-4 years is pretty much nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Based on the avatar the guy is using…it is gonna be hard to get a remotely positive comment about anything.
Scott who?
And Sluss88’s been here forever. He’s not remotely the negative nancy you make him out to be. I just don’t know where his money figure comes from.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith
My bad. I am thinking about the backup QBs. I constantly get him confused with Bart Scott. Just by name of course…slightly different players.
And anyone with a fork in the Buffalo logo has a bit of a negative nancy feel to them.
Smith & Thigpen
I know Smith is more than a backup QB, but isn’t his contract 3 years $14M? So the two together equal 3 years $25M, which is the total being paid to our #2 & #3 backup QB’s.
I’m not negative, just a realist. I think the Bills are moving in the right direction, and am excited about this year.
Ah. It’s four years, $15 million for Smith. That clears up the confusion, though. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
More if you lump Fitzpatrick in as a backup. ZING!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
When did three years eleven million become a lot of money in the NFL?
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by killascript on Aug 4, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just for some perspective, and using easy numbers, I am using a total players salary of $106M ÷ 53 players = $2M avg per player.
I KNOW these are not exact figures. They are just rough estimates.
So $11M ÷ 3 = $3.66M/yr. In real terms that is 183% of the avg, so it is quite a bit of money, but not “earth-shattering”.
There are flaws in this method. Not debating “skill position vs non-skill” or vet/rookie etc. Clearly some positions will garner more than others as past years have shown us.
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Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 4, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
We know that to take a QB from ANY team, it’s going to cost a team a fair amount. It’s one thing if the player ousted, ala Trent Edwards. Thiggy was likely a mild priority for the Dolphins, and the Bills had a great enough want for him not to think too hard about pinching pennies to get him.
But no, the contract isn’t a ton by QB or NFL standards. Me, i’d likely not even give 2 weeks’ notice, and be on my way with 6 million.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe that only 1/3 of the NFL QB’s started all 16 games last year. Having a quality back up is essential in today’s NFL. Adding one that knows the system and has worked with our head coach…this contract seems to be right in line. I initially scoffed at Fitz’s contract when he was brought in…lesson learned.
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Not to rain on a parade
And before I say this , I want to make 1 thing clear I do like the Thigpen signing because hes better then Levi Brown, but, When did Tyler Thigpen become Quality??
This is a guy who had 1 year (under the tutledge of our very own Chan Gailey) that he threw alot of TD passes, he still had a very number of Int’s and he did not play well at all in Miami last year. Really he has been a third stringer his entire career, sop when did he become quality????
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by PaullyPforPrez on Aug 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Tyler Thigpen is quality to Chan Gailey. He knows a bit about him. He likely values comfort in a player more than say potential stardom in a troubled player like Vince Young.
I cannot wait to see where he lands.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
he's in Philly with the Eagles
There is nothing worse than exaggeration!
"This is a long-term plan. We’re trying to build a mansion here."- Carmelo Anthony
Every QB thread in the past 3 months
has had some kind of Vince Young talk sprinkled in. The guy is a bum.
Wow, I had no idea.
Well, look how many people said Michael Vick wasn’t any good before his problems that were supposed to have ruined his career. I’d rather trust the evaluation of Andy Reid and co. The Eagles did well by signing him. He makes perfect sense for them. He can learn from someone who has been through as much, if not more than him, and he has youth on his side, which Vick doesn’t as an NFL QB.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He does make perfect sense for them.
He would have made zero sense for us.
He is an Eagle. Agree to Disagree and move on ;)
I wasn’t even commenting on how I think he’d help the Bills. But knowing they’re going to be a spread offense, Vince Young would have made more sense than most any QB in the NFL.
Anyway, not much to talk about regarding him. Next topic!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
sounds a lot like...
Ryan Fitzpatrick!
by JustAskTheAxis on Aug 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Under the cap?
How can PFT conclude the Bilss are $X under the cap if this news is just released? Did they know the contract value before their story?
You can be told an “under cap” figure without being told how much all 89 players make.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Spinning things a little.
If we draft a QB in the first round next year 2012, we will have to pay him between 6 and 4 million a year. Those monster QB contracts are over with until they repeat as playoff QB’s or win Championships. It might be that eventually that huge contract that was given to the QB drafted in the first round might equate that of an entire roster full of QB’s. Example we could sign Fitz for 5-6 million a year for the next 3-5 years and draft that Luck guy and he would only get 5 – 6 million a year.
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On one hand, you have to admire Luck’s determination to finish his degree. On the other hand, you have to wonder if he’ll regret it long-term, giving up what would likely have been a MONSTROUS contract, and leaving college on a high note.
The degree is great, but it’s not like he doesn’t have some really good options that have nothing to do with architecture.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The new CBA was applied to this year
so he didn’t really get that cheated. If he did it the year Locker did it…then he left about 40 million on the table.
Locker – man, that dude dropped in the draft AND got stuck with the new CBA. Bummer for him.
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I wonder if anyone made him aware of it all? Maybe he goes on to become an amazing pro. If so, none of it matters.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Good question. As a college athlete he’s technically not allowed to talk to the kinds of people who could fill him in on that stuff (ie. agents). Another pitfall of the rules affecting college players.
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NCAA and the NFL do allow players to receive information on where they are likely to be drafted. It in no way effects their college eligibility. Link: http://www.ncaa.org.
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 4, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that 4 million is normal for most teams.
It is probably more normal for a team that has a 1A 1B type situation that we seem to be in now.
Wow, I just looked it up.
Orton and Tebow both have over an 8 million cap hit each year. So the word normal does not apply in the NFL apparently.
Tebow gets 8 million a year?!?!? Talk about a waste of money, that dude’s gonna be a bigger bust than Ryan Leaf.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree
Leaf was a head case, Tebow is not, he’s a great team player unlike Leaf. Tebow will be in the league a long time, but I’m thinking more as a backup and specialist.
There is nothing worse than exaggeration!
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Time will tell. I don’t agree, at all. I’m about as big a Tim Tebow supporter as they come, and I don’t even have the same views as him.
The kid is a winner, and a natural leader. Those are qualities you cannot teach.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you can’t teach him how to throw a ball accurately either.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 4, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does that matter? Not to continue the tangent, but Phillip Rivers has a very unique motion. Many QBs do. How they throw it doesn’t matter so long as it gets to the guy it needs to get to.
Trent Edwards has a pretty classic throwing motion. How well did he use it?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
“so long as it gets to the guy it needs to get to.”
Tebow sucks at this.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 4, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Great. You’ve made your point. And i’ve made mine. He’s not a Bill. Let’s agree to disagree and move on.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
You either hate him or you love him. Theres no inbetween. Causes alot of irrational arguments between people.
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by matthew62 on Aug 4, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s kind of a larger sized version of Rudy.
I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
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Hah! Only the real Rudy never did any of what the movie would have you believe.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What?
A movie that embellishes! Alert the media. :)
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by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
“The kid is a winner, and a natural leader.”
Tebow has a 1-3 record as a starter — and Denver vets have said publicly that they prefer Orton as starter . . .
.
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He was talking about his college record
Nobody is questioning the fact that Orton is the better QB as of today. Of course, this time last year Edwards was considered our best QB.
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Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
…by Gailey.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
just like Fox likes Orton
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Dareus will put you on you Dar-e-ass
If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
But at least Denver has someone they consider the QB of the Future. We had Fitzy, whom everyone assumed was a back-up and always would be.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
actually, they have two QBs with potential...Tebow and Quinn
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
I have given up on Quinn. He has shown next to nothing since he was drafted.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
True, but the Browns "JP'ed" him......still could develop
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If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
Yeah,
let’s chill with the Ryan Leaf stuff. Tebow wasn’t picked 2nd overall and he is still in the league.
Well, is Fitzy’s contract a normal amount for a starting QB?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
no, but he got that contact while he was a backup. He’ll get a much better deal this year if he doesn’t suck.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent Edwards never got one. He showed nearly as much, if not more in some respects, that year they started hot. I don’t know yet that whomever makes the call is jumping to pay a QB what the NFL wants them to make.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Different front office now. You might be right, but I wouldn’t use Trent’s situation as a model. Nix seems pretty high on Fitz, I think he’ll get a deal.
by The Adam Bomb on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hope Nix isn’t high on Vicks!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
grumble grumble grumble
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I don’t follow. Does Vicks make Nix grumble? =)
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, rhyming jokes makes me grumble :)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
LOL. I couldn’t help myself. I had a Seussian moment.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
That was funny! Rec’d
Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!
by buffalobacker on Aug 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone really complain about Thigpen's contract?
3.6 mi per year is not going to hurt the Bills and Thigpen has very similar skill sets to Fitzpatrick plus the fact that he knows the Gailey system makes him somewhat more valuable than many other back up QB’s.
Even if they do finish poorly enough and decide to go with Luck, adding his contract in and giving Fitzpatrick an extension to be your eventual #2 (assuming he doesn’t surprise a few people) you are still paying a lot less for the QB position for all 3 than some teams are paying for one.
Trying to figure Smith into the equation is difficult as he will serve multiple rolls.
Wow
Good for Thigpen. That’s a nice chunk of change for a QB that isn’t that good. He should still be better than some other backups though, at least.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Also for Brad Smith, who apparently is going to be used as a QB. Has a 3rd-string QB ever made that much?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
3rd string QBs
usually don’t lineup at WR or in the slot or return kicks either for that matter. He is a QB by title only, not by how he will be used.
Until we know for sure, we can’t be sure.
“And knowing is half the battle.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s less crowded at QB than it is at WR. I see more opportunity for him to learn and run the scout team as QB3 than I do as a reserve WR.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The only offense he will be learning
is the specialty packages setup for him to run. Wildcat stuff.
by Falls4Life on Aug 4, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Link please?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't link to common sense
The interwebs is not that advanced yet.
by Falls4Life on Aug 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He’s going to be listed as a QB. Major difference.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
JaMarcus Russell?
~K
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by Kurupt on Aug 4, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A simple reminder: It can always get worse!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
3 years and 11 million is a bargain for a veteran back-up in the NFL...
We played the same game with Fitzpatrick 3 years ago, when we signed him to the 3 for 9 million.
My guess is they sign Fitzy to an extention soon at the rate of 3 years for 15 million (a guesss at starter dollars in the NFL… unless you are Mannning or Brady). Even if we sign QB next season with a high draft pick… they would probably want to “stash him away” on the bench for 1-2 years.. Hence you have Fitzy or Thigpen to start, back-up and mentor.
Any of it guaranteed?
Bills can always change plans if not.
I’m sure some of it is, i’d guess what amounts to the average of one year’s worth over the life of the contract. But I nothing to go on other than a gut feeling.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Having been a part of some off-topic stuff here, i'm going to link this tidy post of J2's:
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/7/30/2305843/j2s-own-community-guidelines
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol – i didn’t think that’d get as much traction as it did – sweet though!
Honestly – I thought the Aaron Williams Pick was a better article – I’m saddened by the 15 rec rule. :(
by J2 on Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see that post. I miss alot these days. The blog feels strange, too big and too hard to keep current with many topics and users.
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In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
imagine what it’s going to be like when we’re perennial playoff contenders!!!
by J2 on Aug 4, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think that far into the future!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we’d need a Delorean…
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 4, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Traffic on BR
I am a relatively new poster to this blog, and from what I have seen by glancing at some of the other teams comments on their respective blogs, it seems like we get way more postings.
It’s nice to be part of such a die-hard fan-base!
by RochBillsFan on Aug 4, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems like we get way more postings
It’s due in large part to the constant work of the guys at the bottom of the page. Without a good team of moderators, sports blogs usually turn into big spats, and therefore loose readers and comments.
BTW, welcome to Rumblings!
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Backup
Not sure of the exact figures, but Fitzpatrick was making quite a bit more than Edwards when Fitzy was signed as the “backup” I don’t think “backup” necessarily means you’re gonna get paid second rate. It’s a valuable position and regardless of your team’s predicament, if it turns out it needs a fallback, I hope there’s someone there that’s worth the money. Fitzy was last year for sure (and the year before).
new starting QB
Thigy’s the new starter. Gettin more money than Fitzy. Don’t try to argue with this logic. ;-)
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Until Fitz gets his new deal signed. the man took some shots last year
making plays.
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2012 Draft...
Buffalo IMO needs to draft a QB irregardless of Fitz’s performance this year. The 2012 Draft has better selection of QB’s for them to choose from. I don’t see us getting Andrew Luck; Our record will put us at pick’s 12-18. Which means our record should be 8-8 or 9-7. So, is it Landry with the first pick or another. Maybe OT will be their 1st pick. Its hard to say. IMO we have to get a good rookie QB next draft. Its time, Its a QB driven league and we haven’t had a franchise QB since ’96 when Kelly got knocked out.
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