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Bills Training Camp: Sunday Injury Roundup

The Buffalo Bills are less than a week away from their 2011 preseason opener against the Chicago Bears. Unfortunately, injuries continue to pile up before the team even takes a meaningful snap against another team. Luckily, those injuries all appear to be of the minor variety.

Drayton Florence left Saturday night's practice after rolling his ankle battling for a ball in the end zone. Chan Gailey expects him to miss some practices this week.

"He’ll be out... I don’t know, four days, six days. Every guy is different when it comes to those," Gailey announced following Sunday's practice. Florence is expected to miss Saturday's game against the Bears.

Another starter left Sunday's practice, too, as Demetrius Bell was hurt during individual position drills. Trainers tended to his shoulder, and he left the field soon after. Gailey called it a strained shoulder.

"They said it’d be a couple of days and probably he’ll be back. They don’t think it’s anything long term or bad. It’s just a strain," Gailey said of Bell's injury.

Star-divide

Ed Wang filled in for Bell at left tackle with the first team, while Cordaro Howard was activated off the PUP list and practiced for the first time this season, with the second unit.

Players who sat out Sunday's practice included Donald Jones, Marcus Easley, Shawn NelsonJustin Rogers, Kellen Heard, Kelvin Sheppard and Florence.  Roscoe Parrish sat out of 7-on-7 work, though no injury has been reported at this time. Nelson is expected to miss a couple more days with what Gailey described as a pulled muscle after getting hurt at the end of a run play during Monday's practice.

There was some good news Sunday, as Shawne Merriman (leg soreness) and Aaron Williams (hand) both returned to the practice field as full participants. The Bills hit the field again Monday at 3:20 at St. John Fisher. The practice is open to the public.

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This is terrible news about Bell. Maybe this injury (even something not serious) will force Nix to go look for a veteran OT.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

The thought of Wang filling in terrifies me

:)

But yeah, this team needs to add depth at OT. It’s simply perplexing as to why Nix pretty much refuses to address this ginormous problem….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know, it’s sort of mind boggling. I get the fact that he couldn’t land Clabo or another top-tier OT, but he’s gotta go find someone now, doesn’t he?

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It goes beyond missing out on a Clabo

His two drafts have produced a 5th round tackle in Wang, who thus far has been pretty terrible. There has simply been no significant attempt to upgrade this major weakness, depth included.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clabo

was a UDFA.

Just sayin’

by dav630 on Aug 7, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What left really in Free Agency?

Is there anything left worth bring in?

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 8, 2011 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We tried to sign two of the top tackles in free agency, so there have been attempts.

They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier.

by cjf4 on Aug 8, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't count those as significant attempts

Those guys were never on the roster, so they were nothing more than wishful thinking. To me, a significant attempt involves actual roster moves….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 8, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

ala Darwin Walker. (Sigh.)

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

what’s all this Wang hating – he looks bigger and stronger to me. Players make their biggest jumps, presumably, between rookies and 2nd year. He looks much larger than he did last year – let’s actually see him in a preseason game before we’re terrified of him playing a backup position.

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not Wang's size that we're terrified of

:)

It was his skill level, technique, toughness and lack of physicality that were subpar. Maybe he’s improved there, as well as getting much stronger. Maybe he’ll surprise. From what we saw of him last year and how little he contributed, it sure would be surprising if he all of a sudden was a capable LT….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 8, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just think that we need more competition for the tackles, I’ve been saying it all offseason. They didn’t even give Wang significant reps at RT last season. If they honestly thought he’d be a solid contributor in the future, I think they would have. I’d love to be wrong about this, just like any other negativity, but I just can’t see it.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The thought of Wang filling in terrifies me"

Hahahahaha!

"There is not a loser in this room." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Aug 7, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

But you know its a slow deliberate rebuild, it takes time. :)

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The year they might actually be able to land a top-shelf QB prospect will be the same year they draft a LT instead.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great. So Bell is going to miss more time in camp. He’s the Shawn Nelson of the offensive line; sure, he might be good if he could practice enough to put it all together but that never seems to happen. At some point CHIX has to move on if Bell doesn’t pan out on Sundays, regardless of how much time he’s missed in camp for whatever reason.

Wang getting reps with the #1s smacks of desperation. “Hey, who else do we have who might fill in at LT? Wang? Seriously? Anynone else? Really? Okay, put him in. I guess.” I watched Gailey talking about the defense in a goal line situation and he said something about how well the defense did on the edges. No mystery as to why……

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would think if this happens week one itll be pears shifting over to the left side and wrotto or someone else would take over RT.
im surprised how much everyone is freaking out over bell missing a couple days practice and wang getting some reps in his place. id like better depth at tackle too, but im not gonna chastise chan gailey because d. bell tweaked his shoulder..

and as for this:

He’s the Shawn Nelson of the offensive line

no way, not even close. shawn nelson has had 100 injuries or ailments (or suspensions) since joining this team that has kept him off the field both in camp and on sundays. bell has had one major knee injury he had to deal with but aside from that has never missed a game.

by boomsauce on Aug 7, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is jumping on Gailey for Bell hurting himself. We’re jumping on Nix for not providing enough depth at a crucial position. I have no problem projecting Bell as the starting LT (even though many do), but there needs to be a) competition at the position, and b) depth at the position. Nix has provided neither to the satisfaction of the fan base.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

…at this point, i don’t think anything the FO does to alleviate the depth problem at OT, short of adding 3-4 pro-bowl caliber tackles, will be enough to placate these Bills’ fans…

by Oxyman on Aug 7, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, one player with real starting experience would placate me, personally.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enter Eric Pears

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t he starting on the right?

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup – but in the event that he goes down I’d bet that Pears gets the nod because of experience. Maybe Wang but we have to see how he develops

by J2 on Aug 8, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

But I’ll take it a step further, I think Nix and Gailey are doing best they can given restrictions that owner must be putting on them regarding $$$ spent. Nix and Chan aren’t idiots, but it would seem that way. Some weird $$ handling issues with this team. Maybe once bitten twice shy regarding OT. And I’ll puke if someone mentions lack of better OT available, how many yrs? How many FA’s?

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Ralph is dictating to Nix which positions to go after and which to ignore, then this rebuild will not succeed.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But only explanation I’ve got that doesn’t scream incompetent management.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

My frustration stems from the fact that every year Bell seems to miss time in OTAs and training camp. Some then blame his so-so performance on his missed practice time and believe that the Bills should continue to wait for Bell to develop into a good/great LT. With 24 games under his belt, it’s time for the excuses to stop and for Bell to be more than just a guy with potential. It just doesn’t matter that there were no OTAs and that he’s now missing time due to injury—production on Sundays is all that matters.

CHIX has bet big on the roster OTs being good enough to handle their responsiblity. While Bell is nowhere near elite there is considerable drop off from Bell to Wang. Or Wrotto. Or Howard. The Bills didn’t get a LT in free agency or the draft so what happens if Bell does go down? Call up the scrub who most recently played LT at Georgia Tech?

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya, short term that seems to be the plan i guess… dont go out and spend/invest big on Oline in case that out of the guys u got theres some football players in there? not my favorite approach either, but with all the issues on this roster i guess they had to pick one unit to do this with…

by boomsauce on Aug 7, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s time to call Jared Gaither and see if he can pass a physical. He’d be a better reserve option than Buffalo has now—even if it took him a bit before he was ready to go.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. I remember Dwan Edwards failing one teams physical last year (I think Denver), but he sure passed the Bills physical. Get Gaither in here to fill the 90th roster spot!!!!!!

by RockyTopBill on Aug 7, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Remember that John McCargo failed a physical for Indy.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except I doubt he would sign for backup money, even if that was all we would sign him for. They’ll go with the status quo, unfortunately, and hope things work out. And Nix won’t make a panic sign at this point in the preseason, knowing some quality guys will get cut due to a numbers game elsewhere.

by BuffaloRepresent on Aug 8, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like your making a legitimate arguement for not drafting Aaron Williams.

I think the majority of the fan base would of been satisfied if we took a tackle at #34. Even then it would still be a tough sell getting him ready for the season. Free Agnecy is another story but now your getting into the tricky part of being a GM in a new contract year with many players looking to lock up going forward without going against the current and buying players from FA.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not my intention to say that the Bills should have gone OT at any particular place in the draft…..but somewehre, somehow OT talent needed to be added to the roster.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know your not, but that was the common arguement earlier in the season.

And i agreed with that arguement, that’s why I mentioned it. Things will be interesting this year. I hope we solidify things on the O-Line this season because I would really like to heavy on defense one more year.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s see Aaron Williams or Franklin/Ijanhoweveryouspell it. no brainier

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That what I said

I said that when we drafted him, not that he doesn’t have potential, but man we need some quality tackles and I got bounced from the site for harping on it.

by Coach Bob on Aug 8, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harping

Well I’d think Brian gives pretty specific reasons, last time he told me. Harping probably is a nice way to put it. :) Not to harp.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

With 24 games under his belt, it’s time for the excuses to stop and for Bell to be more than just a guy with potential. It just doesn’t matter that there were no OTAs and that he’s now missing time due to injury—production on Sundays is all that matters.

it does and this is the season – if he doesn’t pan out it’s backup duty for him – if he does great. We’re talking about a tweak in practice – chill out guys

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is considerable drop off from Bell to Wang

And that is oh so scary. Plus, as you mention, “what happens if Bell goes down?” was a question asked months ago. It’s not rocket science. The OL situation is not stable enough to get through an NFL season let alone function as a productive unit.
I wonder if Buddy’s ever heard of Murphy’s Law?

Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12

by fansince60 on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy Who????? Sounds like some damn Yankee

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by Joe P. on Aug 7, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let him play

Wang needs some playing time before I’m willing to pass judgement on him.

by Coach Bob on Aug 8, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

do you know if

Brandyn Dombrowski (ERFA) got an offer from SD?
or Oniel Cousins (RFA) from Baltimore is another guy that could be interesting depending on the tender Bal gave him.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 8, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. We’re in a shortened off season and they’re okay with him missing “a couple of days”? I have been supportive of Nix, but his ignoring of what I consider to be two of the three most crucial positions on the field (the third, QB) is beginning to wear on me. I was assuming he wouldn’t get through FA without picking one up.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta ask....

how many NFL teams have a plug and play LT if the #1 goes down????

Just curious… list them please????

Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!

by Cinga on Aug 7, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that anyone has a LT sitting on the bench who is the same caliber as the starter….unless the starter really sucks. With that being said, Bell has been a fairly marginal LT—and the drop off to the available options is still considerable.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if we went out and got an LT with starting experience (something that is not terribly hard at the moment), there would be at least one, and it’s the only one I really care about.

You think it’s okay that backups on our team are terrible? How is that alright with you?

Or, as you would say: How is that alright with you????

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just wonder why our LB corps doesn’t get as much flack as our OTs do. They’re both basically in the same position – it takes time to build a team. You get 2 or 3 starters at best – and that’s doing great – in a draft.

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad OT play is a lot harder to disguise than bad LB play.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe to someone who doesn’t pay attention to football – certainly not any of the teams that ran all over us last year because of pathetic LB play.

I noticed our LB play a hell of a lot more than I noticed our OT play last year that’s for sure

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

I dont think our line is in as bad of shape as everyone says, same we had last year while adding pears and hairston pretty much. and we scored points with them. Our pathetic LB play was extremely noticeable against the run and against the pass (except poz who was a good open field tackler). Probly would have been 6-10 if davis didnt get injured half of the season.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Aug 7, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you go through my posts from the past couple of months, I provide a ton of flack about the LB corps.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Have you missed all the Merriman, Kelsay, Moats, and ILB discussions!??!!? That unit gets as many negative responses as any other on the team. People have been questioning what Buddy Nix is thinking regarding the pass rush for two years now. His stance that Merriman is the answer drew a ton of responses.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Aug 7, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

obviously I haven’t missed those discussions – but OT gets way more play here than LB play does sans the Kelsay jokes

by J2 on Aug 8, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ot More

Because offense generally scores and D defends and more points wins games. LT is considered pretty demanding/ important position on offense correct?

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

unless you have a left handed QB!

LT is important no doubt but after rewatching most of the games last year Bell only really struggled against the elite pass rushers and was able to hold his own for most of the games. he really wasn’t terrible – again I think people are formulating opinions based off of games they saw once last fall – not how I like to roll

by J2 on Aug 8, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Peters is now the highest paid LT protecting a left-handed QB.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

Rec’d

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That excuse getting a little old over a two/three drought at LT.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

two/three year drought?

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

At least two I know of that we ignored LT in two drafts/FA.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant, did you mean

two/three year drought

because you said

two/three drought

And I agree with your point :)

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Oh.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Ron may be implying that most teams’ have a backup the caliber of Bell. Whereas the Bills have a starter the caliber of a backup and reserves the caliber of toenail clippings.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the Shawn Nelson of the offensive line

he played all 16 games last season

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot the rest of the sentence
sure, he might be good if he could practice enough to put it all together but that never seems to happen

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I didn’t – Shawn Nelson played 5 games last year – Bell looked good in actual games – I remember 2 good Nelson catches and that’s about it

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

relax Ron.....they are working on their screen passes ;-)

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by Joe P. on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to hear regarding merriman and williams.

Hopefully bell isn’t out too long.

Now attending the Univ. of Hockey.

by bflo on Aug 7, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We are all concerned about DeMetrius Bell getting injured.

Mostly due to the depth at the position. I share that concern as well and am curiously looking forward to the play of whomever steps in for him. We need to allow Wang to show what he can do. I agree with the majority of the sentiment from the fan base but we still need to see what he has.

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by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Wang showed that he wasn’t worth putting in at RT at the end of the season when the team had nothing to lose by giving players game reps to see what they can do.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed and Jonathan Scott just played in a superbowl.

I seen all I want to see out of Wang last year, but at this point in camp and without disrupting what we got going on over on the right side we may have to live with this for a preseason game. My whole thing is it is not the end of the world. We all know that it is an underexperienced position on our team. Jarmon Meredith got all kind of opportunity before we cut him loose. Wang deserves the same thing. Let’s see what seven months did for him. We could very well end up with Watkins over there until things change or get better.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Wang they type of player that would play RT anyway? RT is typically your mauler while LT is finesse. Everyone is up in arms about how terrible he is when they haven’t even seen him play. He missed the vast majority of preseason due to his hand least year and was never in any games. Not saying hes going to be great or anything but assuming the guy won’t get any better is ridiculous. Frankly Bell going down and getting Wang reps with the 1’s is probably a good thing, you can only learn so much from manhandling Maybin.

Harooo

by Robot Nixon on Aug 7, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd take a chance on Gaither

with an incentive based contract based on playing time – so if he thinks he is healthy enough to play prove it. 1-2y max, let him use us to prove he’s healthy enough and can be the starter on the left. It would also serve to light a fire under DB’s rear end!
It’s not like there’s a ton of options out there and we definitely have some $$ to play with so to me it’s a pretty simple decision.

McKinnie on the other hand I would not touch with a 50’ pole, I’d prefer going 0-16 than introducing a cancer into our locker room.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Aug 8, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wake up and smell the blood, sweat, and tears OBD!

What is it going to take to get OT’s that we can count on. Another injury, Fitz getting knocked out, what? Our offense is only going to go as far as the O-line will carry us. Sooooo many teams know our weakness at OT; They are gonna bring it every week and exploit that weakness until we stop it. We have little depth at OT and all you want to do is sit and maintain the league minimum of 89% of the cap. I hope I’m wrong….but if not…WE KNOW WHO TO BLAME!!!

by Dareurush! on Aug 7, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

wang as our number 2 lt puts the fear of god in mr, as it likely should every bills fan. but I’m going to assume chan’s recognition of this is evidenced by the focus on screen plays during training camp: out o-line will be so used to getting owned at the LoS, they’ll be able to sell it great on screens. right?

by beatlebum on Aug 7, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Our offense is only going to go as far as the O-line will carry us

there is so much evidence to the contrary it’s not even worth mentioning – your offense goes as your QB goes – it’s basically that simple

by J2 on Aug 7, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evidence

Yeah show me a team with no Manning/Brady and a O/L like ours winning much. Be nice in a 15 yr. rebuild to have something to show QB/O/L wise to validate this franchise’s desire to compete and win games and fans hearts! So tired of the give this time or new regime, really?

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think that was his point. Rodgers and Big Ben aren’t Manning or Brady and they have pretty bad OLs, and they win a lot.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

So Fitz is are Manning? Rodgers? Read it again, we haven’t got sh@t to show for either QB or dominate O/L. Be nice to have one of the other after 15 years of mediorce. Whats not to understand there? My frustration? Ok but its still fact, we seem to settle for the least every yr. And we eat it up!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woah, easy, I didn’t say Fitz was Manning. I said that there are teams that win with mediocre OLs, that’s all. I agree that after a decade of “rebuilding” we should have one or the other (and probably both).

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by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Get a little invested in team over 35 yrs of fandom. Again sorry.

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by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

your offense goes as your QB goes – it’s basically that simple

And your offense won’t go ANYWHERE if your O-line can’t keep him standing.
It’s basically that simple.

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by go_buff on Aug 8, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

to-mah-to to- may – to.

What good is an offensive line if a QB cannot make the proper throws, adjustments and checks?

by J2 on Aug 8, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And your offense won’t go ANYWHERE if your O-line can’t keep him standing.
It’s basically that simple.

Some-body didn’t watch the Super Bowl last year.

They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier.

by cjf4 on Aug 8, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

All injuries are considered minor.

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by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

All injuries are considered minor, but in the mean time we have to deal with Bell missing more practices during camp and Wang playing with the starters at LT… ugh.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sucks, but it is what it is.

The next couple days while Bell refits himself, will be crucial for Wang, Howard or Watkins. Those guys are fighting for their job. I am scared about Fitz, Thigpen and Brown, but the first preseason game is pretty tempered to begin with. Plus, Fitz’s main attribute last year was his gutsy elusiveness in the pocket. Gotta practice that too.

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by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It almost makes me hope that they take Fitz out after one series during the first game.

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by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Timing

I think two of the comments hit on the OBD strategy. Find out what Wang really has in actual competition, and keep an eye open for a O-line guy at the end of the cuts. That way they keep him if he has made progress, and if need be, can pick up a more competent last second cut.

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by jackkemp15 on Aug 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wang

The thought of him starting at LT at any point during the season makes me sick. Other than Bell, we are banking on the production of Pears, Wang, and Hairston to protect our quarterback. Makes me sick to my stomach to think about. Signing some depth would be nice, but it wouldn’t fix our problems. Let’s just cross our fingers Bell remains injury free. Next year, first round, MATT KALIL – USC at the OT position.

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by CLoSkills on Aug 7, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya know, Eric Pears isn't looking all that bad at the Right Side.

I would hate to see him move to the left, because we are is such a need on the right, he could lock this up for a few years. Let’s monitor practices the next couple days before you call in sick or get sick.

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by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Maybin sighting!

Yes, it’s off thread but at about 3:00 in the video on buffalobills.com Maybin gets in on a tackle for loss. He seems to throw off the TE blocking him and get to the ball carrier. Who knew?

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah aaron!

that was all you on that training camp tackle assist! who’s a bust now?

by dav630 on Aug 7, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was David Martin that Maybin slung around. Not bad seeing as how Maybin is giving up 40 pounds.

I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.

by Ron From NM on Aug 7, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg that jersey looked like a friggin tarp drapped over a lava lamp…

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by m_young28 on Aug 7, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then he does his thing where he celebrates that assisted tackle like he just got the game winning sack in the SB.

by boomsauce on Aug 7, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrotto?

Would Wang start if D. Bell is out? idk. what about wrotto, or someone who has started an nfl game. I bet they just put Wang in because they wanted to keep wrotto practicing RT, but i would bet if bell was injured in a regular season wrotto would be the next guy in. Unless Wang has drastically improved from last year.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Aug 7, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually your second team offensive line looks like this in practice

Wang, Rhinehardt, Hangartner, Wrotto and Harrsiton getting the reps. There very well could be better options for left tackle and the long term plan could be Eric Pears on the Left With Wrotto kicking out to the right side.

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by VanScottM on Aug 7, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

Wrotto playing RG, i havent seen them practice. But I think D. Bell is their potential long term LT plan. Pretty sure Pears has been a career RT, so doubt he would switch, but maybe. People were saying Wang would be the next guy in the starting line up, which i doubt, just because wrotto can play tackle and as you said if d. bell goes down maybe pears kicks out to left and wrotto at right.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Aug 7, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure Pears has been a career RT

in 2006 he played LT for the broncos after the guy in front of him got hurt. i believe he started 10 (?) games there.

the plan if bell gets hurt HAS to be pears moving over and someone else (wrotto, howard, hairston) filling in at RT. this move in camp was prolly just to keep getting wang some reps to see if he gets any better

by boomsauce on Aug 7, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

so again i think we are in decent shape as far as o-line depth goes, just inexperienced

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Aug 8, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok

I dont know his current condition. But i agree they should definitely bring a OT in with starting experience. just to compete and be veteran depth. Not sure the point of leaving one roster spot open. I think we are okay for now at LB. OT depth is our major need for this season.

Fitzmagic

by tomcs on Aug 7, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Chill Out - negativity is for losers

I think everyone needs to take a Valium. The only solution anyone seems to have to our problems is free agency, free agency, free agency. (It’s not: Redskins) Cause anybody must be better than what we have, right? Most of you need to spend more time on ProFootballFocus to see some actual numbers, actual, factual, empirical data because the data shows that our O-Line, like Fitz, is average. And average is NOT bad. So please have some patience, Rome wasn’t built in a day, the guys in the front office know WAY more than we do, and they are trying to build a team the right way. They have been focusing primarily on defense, and have done a good job so far. I suspect they wanted Sherrod or somebody with pick #34 but it didn’t fall that way so you deal with it. The 2012 draft is a phenominal year for LT and QB so like I said – chill out please.

by Josh Barrett on Aug 7, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

the data shows that our O-Line, like Fitz, is average.

The OL with Bell may be bordering on average, but this entire thread is talking about depth.

And average is NOT bad.

By definition, it’s also not good.

I don’t need valium, I need a starter-caliber FA OT to be brought in so that if and when Bell goes down our OL doesn’t crumble under the weight of its own mediocrity.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average isn’t bad?! Seriously?

Would you board a flight headed by an average pilot?
Would you climb Mt. Everest with an average guide?
Would you invest money into an average company?
Would you pay to see an average musician?

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got some news for you

Unless you avoid planes entirely, you do fly with average professional pilots. If you listen to the radio or popular music, or any kind of music for that matter, most of the time you are listening to average professional musicians. As for investing, the market averages beat most active professional money managers, and no strategy for picking the best stocks beats the market over the long haul. As for climbing Everest, you may want to tell yourself that your guide is exceptional, but most people who climb Everest do it with an average Everest guide.

With pro football, the average skill level is mind-bogglingly high compared to what you’d find on the street, but for the league, average is average. Unfortunately, average is also better where the Bills have been lately. The Bills OL might be approaching average when healthy, but their lack of depth puts them near the bottom.

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by Backup to Farve's Backup on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You sir, are severely uninformed on the matter of music as a whole in saying this:

If you listen to the radio or popular music, or any kind of music for that matter, most of the time you are listening to average professional musicians.

I can’t even continue this discussion with you. I mean….seriously? I’d love to know your background for making a statement like this, as well as calling all comercial airline pilots as “average.”

You seem like you do know something about the stock market, which I have no interest in. So i’ll defer to you there.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Average Pilots

Great , now I’ll never fly again!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the data shows that our O-Line, like Fitz, is average.

The OL with Bell may be bordering on average, but this entire thread is talking about depth.

And average is NOT bad.

By definition, it’s also not good.

I don’t need valium, I need a starter-caliber FA OT to be brought in so that if and when Bell goes down our OL doesn’t crumble under the weight of its own mediocrity.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, that was meant as a reply above to Josh.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitz and the firsts would of most likely only played a series or two in the first place. I want to see what wangs got a series in preseason is a great way to see it.

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by matthew62 on Aug 7, 2011 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

In my 50 years I can not remember a scarcity of LT talent as in the last couple of years. There have always been 2-4 future HOF players until now. I’m not making excuses for Nix but the last 2 drafts have also had a number of questionable candidates ie; attitude, conditioning, intelligence. Having said that, someone better than Wrotto should have been signed.

by GPSjr on Aug 7, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

how did i know that this

article would lead us to a “why does gaily and nix hate the oline” thread?

bell will be fine it looks like, looks very minor. i imagine he will be back and would be playing if it were the regular season

its been said before and it will be said again, nix and gaily have spent most of the efforts fixing the piss poor defense. the defense needed players, the offense wasnt half bad last year with the emergence of johnson and fitzy. add in that spiller should give a lot more production this year and jackson is not done yet, and i think they have done the right things. people forget that in the last two drafts, the bills drafted in a position where a quality tackle was not available, and theres no way to get those free agents to sign here….

we do need more depth on the line, but im not that concerned after all the stuff that was accomplished last year.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 8, 2011 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

how did i know that this article would lead us to a "why does gaily and nix hate the oline" thread?

Because to a lot of us, it’s a good question.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Aug 8, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Why do you say “theres no way to sign those FA’s here”? Were destined to leftovers/unproven rookies? Lowered expectations lead to lower results.

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i say that

because people complain about clabo and (insert FA here) not signing in buffalo. theres no way gailey or nix can MAKE them sign, so we need to get over that stuff.

to statz, being 1 in rushing yards allowed, and 5th in points allowed were a huge problem. 25 in passing and 17th in rushing are bad too, dont get me wrong, but the defense is and was worse. im hoping that darius and some of those other defensive stud make a difference, but im confident that gailey can minimize the fact that the bills have a sub-par oline compared to him masking that we have NO defense.

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by silverstreak3k on Aug 8, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Understood

But throwing some $$ at them might help!

Baby steps are for babies. Step it up buffalo!

by buffalobacker on Aug 8, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense was way more important.

 Nix ‘failing to address offensive tackle’ is a result of him having his priorities in order, and realizing that our inability to stop the run last year was much more critical than our blocking. Here’s something I haven’t seen brought up once: Our line last year was better than that of the two super bowl contenders, and gave up less sacks.

They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier.

by cjf4 on Aug 8, 2011 7:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Which is great, if the QB they’re protecting is a Super Bowl-caliber QB. We’re talking about average-at-best linemen (for the most part) protecting a very average QB. Average can’t compete with above average.

Roethlisberger has become known for giving up tons of sacks. It’s part of his game. He’d probably do so with a Pro Bowl lineup in front of him every week. Rodgers is just lights out. He’s a very talented QB who can carve a defense up in more than one way.

Unfortunately, I feel the Bills need the best of the best at OT if they’re going to compete.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the level of play needs to improve, I’m just saying the idea that you need an outstanding line to be good I think is a fallacy. Even the Patriots line in 07, when the entire unit went to the Pro Bowl wasn’t really THAT good so much as Tom Bundchen-Brady was at negotiating the pass rush. They got destroyed in the Super Bowl.

But anyway my only point is I think the position is of relative less importance than positions like quarterback and front seven players.

They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier.

by cjf4 on Aug 8, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you, so long as the QB is of an elite variety.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Peter King's MMQB:

This was in discussing Jets camp observations of his…

Concerning right tackle:

It’s not the most important position on the field, but over the years, particularly because so many quarterbacks like to roll right and throw from their right, and so many teams have been investing in rush ends from the defense’s left side, the right tackle has taken on added importance.

Oh joy!

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In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

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