Bills Training Camp: Pre-Pre-Season 53-Man Roster Projection
The Buffalo Bills will play their first pre-season game of the year this Saturday when they take on the Chicago Bears at Soldier Field. In that light, I thought it'd be fun for interested community members to make their first (and in most cases, only) pre-pre-season Bills roster projections.
My guess lies after the jump, with a blow-by-blow explanation of the process I used to get to that final depth chart. What changes would you make to it, Bills fans?
Step 1: The Ideal Numbers Roster. No matter where a team has talent, the NFL is a numbers game, and the Bills will likely need to cut good football players to ensure they have proper numbers at another position. I figured the smart place to start would be to determine an ideal roster from a numbers standpoint, then tweak it for talent from there. Here's what I came up with on that front (note the 50/50 split between offense and defense):
- Offense (25): 3 QB, 3 RB, 1 FB, 6 WR, 3 TE, 9 OL
- Defense (25): 4 DE, 2 NT, 4 OLB, 5 ILB, 6 CB, 4 S
- Specialists (3): 1 K, 1 P, 1 LS
Step 2: Fill out the Ideal Numbers Roster. From there, I simply filled out the "ideal numbers roster" with the names of players, straight down the list, on our unofficial Bills depth chart. Here's what that initial depth chart looked like. Please note, post-skimmers, that the below depth chart is not my final projection.
| Pos. | # | STARTER | # | Backup | # | Reserve |
| WR | 13 | ST. JOHNSON | 11 | R. Parrish | 18 | N. Roosevelt |
| LT | 77 | D. BELL | 71 | E. Wang | ||
| LG | 67 | A. LEVITRE | ||||
| C | 70 | E. WOOD | 63 | G. Hangartner | ||
| RG | 60 | K. URBIK | 61 | M. Wrotto | ||
| RT | 79 | E. PEARS | 75 | C. Hairston* | ||
| TE | 84 | S. CHANDLER | 80 | D. Martin | 82 | M. Caussin |
| WR | 83 | L. EVANS | 86 | D. Nelson | 19 | D. Jones |
| QB | 14 | R. FITZPATRICK | 4 | T. Thigpen | 16 | B. Smith |
| RB | 22 | F. JACKSON | 28 | C. Spiller | 35 | J. White* |
| FB | 38 | C. McINTYRE | ||||
| LE | 99 | M. DAREUS* | 91 | Sp. Johnson | ||
| NT | 95 | K. WILLIAMS | 96 | T. Troup | ||
| RE | 98 | D. EDWARDS | 92 | A. Carrington | ||
| SLB | 90 | C. KELSAY | 57 | D. Batten | ||
| MLB | 53 | R. TORBOR | 55 | K. Sheppard* | 94 | C. White* |
| WLB | 50 | N. BARNETT | 52 | A. Moats | ||
| JLB | 55 | S. MERRIMAN | 59 | A. Coleman | ||
| LCB | 24 | T. McGEE | 23 | A. Williams* | 42 | J. Rogers* |
| SS | 37 | G. WILSON | 43 | B. Scott | 25 | D. Searcy* |
| FS | 31 | J. BYRD | ||||
| RCB | 29 | D. FLORENCE | 21 | L. McKelvin | 27 | R. Corner |
| K | 9 | R. LINDELL | ||||
| P | 8 | B. MOORMAN | ||||
| LS | 65 | G. SANBORN |
Step 3: Find and make cases for exceptions. The next (and final) step was to identify players that I consider strong possibilities to make the team (for any of a number of reasons), then see if it was feasible to sneak them onto the above roster. I came up with five names, immediately discounted three, and then fought hard for the remaining two.
- The three fringe players I discounted immediately? Marcus Easley, Shawn Nelson and Cordaro Howard. It was easiest to discount Easley, who despite being a fourth-round pick last year is playing at a loaded position and can't find a way to stay on the field. Nelson isn't playing at a loaded position, but he's also constantly missing time, and at some point that's going to haunt him. Howard was the toughest cut of the three, but again, he's a player missing time at a position where the team has alternatives.
- I tried hard to find a spot for Chad Rinehart, who was surprisingly effective to close the 2010 season as the team's starting right guard. While some insist that he has the flexibility to kick out to tackle as a reserve, I haven't seen it yet, and therefore couldn't nudge him in ahead of versatile backups like Ed Wang. Clearly, Rinehart still has an excellent opportunity to make this football team, but he's not on my final projection.
- The other big name not on the list above is veteran inside linebacker Andra Davis, but in his case alone, I found a way to sneak him onto the team - as a starter, no less. Davis is, in my opinion, critical to the team's short-term success because of his vast knowledge of the defense George Edwards runs. Nine linebackers is a bit thin anyway, and adding Davis to the mix brings the total to 10. I had very little problem nixing rookie cornerback Justin Rogers from the roster (despite some positive buzz about him) to make room for a veteran linebacker on a run defense that is one of the league's worst.
That Davis-for-Rogers swap was the final tweak to my 53-man projection. Yes, post-skimmers, the below depth chart is my final pre-pre-season 53-man Bills roster projection. Have at it.
| Pos. | # | STARTER | # | Backup | # | Reserve |
| WR | 13 | ST. JOHNSON | 11 | R. Parrish | 18 | N. Roosevelt |
| LT | 77 | D. BELL | 71 | E. Wang | ||
| LG | 67 | A. LEVITRE | ||||
| C | 70 | E. WOOD | 63 | G. Hangartner | ||
| RG | 60 | K. URBIK | 61 | M. Wrotto | ||
| RT | 79 | E. PEARS | 75 | C. Hairston* | ||
| TE | 84 | S. CHANDLER | 80 | D. Martin | 82 | M. Caussin |
| WR | 83 | L. EVANS | 86 | D. Nelson | 19 | D. Jones |
| QB | 14 | R. FITZPATRICK | 4 | T. Thigpen | 16 | B. Smith |
| RB | 22 | F. JACKSON | 28 | C. Spiller | 35 | J. White* |
| FB | 38 | C. McINTYRE | ||||
| LE | 99 | M. DAREUS* | 91 | Sp. Johnson | ||
| NT | 95 | K. WILLIAMS | 96 | T. Troup | ||
| RE | 98 | D. EDWARDS | 92 | A. Carrington | ||
| SLB | 90 | C. KELSAY | 57 | D. Batten | ||
| MLB | 54 | A. DAVIS | 53 | R. Torbor | 94 | C. White* |
| WLB | 50 | N. BARNETT | 52 | A. Moats | 55 | K. Sheppard* |
| JLB | 55 | S. MERRIMAN | 59 | A. Coleman | ||
| LCB | 24 | T. McGEE | 23 | A. Williams* | ||
| SS | 37 | G. WILSON | 43 | B. Scott | 25 | D. Searcy* |
| FS | 31 | J. BYRD | ||||
| RCB | 29 | D. FLORENCE | 21 | L. McKelvin | 27 | R. Corner |
| K | 9 | R. LINDELL | ||||
| P | 8 | B. MOORMAN | ||||
| LS | 65 | G. SANBORN |
The full list of cuts: QB Levi Brown, QB Josh Nesbitt, RB Bruce Hall, RB Anthony Elzy, FB Jehuu Caulcrick, WR Buster Davis, WR Felton Huggins, WR Paul Hubbard, WR Marcus Easley, WR Kamar Aiken, TE Shawn Nelson, TE Zach Pianalto, OT Jason Watkins, OG Cordaro Howard, OG Chad Rinehart, OG Colin Brown, OG Isaiah Thompson, C Michael Switzer, DE Lionel Dotson, DE T.J. Langley, NT Michael Jasper, NT Kellen Heard, OLB Aaron Maybin, OLB Jammie Kirlew, OLB Robert Eddins, ILB Brad Jefferson, ILB Brandon Hicks, CB Justin Rogers, CB Doyle Miller, CB Loyce Means, S Jon Corto, S Rajric Coleman, S Sidney Glover, K Chris Hazley, P Reid Forrest, LS Danny Aiken.
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The legend of Jasper ends here?
Fans will riot and burn the streets!
I think the fact that Buddy Nix came right out and said that Jasper wouldn’t be ready to play this year kind of speaks for itself. He’s headed for the practice squad.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want to root for the kid
But some time on the practice squad as a 7th round pick that came outta no where…it’ll be ok…the rioters can disperse.
I can’t argue with the depth chart otherwise though Brian. Pretty much what I would guess, and I like Roosevelt making the team over Easley.
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by dEnnistheMenace88 on Aug 8, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he is setting expectatios.....BUT
I wouldn’t count him out just yet. I have seen him running with the 2’s when Troup comes in with the 1’s and Kyle slides over to end. If they are giving him 2nd team looks he may make the cut.
Obviously he is a bit of a long shot but they drafted him because they were “afraid” they would loose him. They may not take the waiver wire risk
I’m not discounting him. It’s a possibility. They keep projects on the final 53 all the time. In the above, they’ve already got one in Chris Hairston. They did it with Bell.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Projects on the roster
I vote to Keep Jasper and cut Maybin.
Who objects to cutting Maybin and keeping jasper? :-)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 9, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
huh?
Maybin cut? Did I miss something?
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For the record
Nix said Jasper wouldn’t be ready to play in a regular season game for “quite a while”. Hopefully Buddy Nix shares my impatience for the regular season, so “quite a while” means 3 or 4 days :)
More realistically, Jasper clearly needs months to get up to speed. So I only see him on the roster if some combo of the following happen:
1. There are injuries to players who add more to the team, at his position or at positions with elastic numbers (Troup, Williams, an LB).
2. He makes serious and rapid improvements in understanding the game, clearly outperforming Kellen Heard.
3. The season tanks early and becomes sort of a developmental effort in itself.
4. Late in the season it becomes clear that a developing Jasper is just worth more than certain underperforming players on the roster.
All that said, I still really hope he makes it from day 1 anyways, for situational roles or whatever. I’m pulling for the guy, and it would be awesome to watch him develop through the year.
Hopefully Buddy Nix shares my impatience for the regular season, so "quite a while" means 3 or 4 days :)
Good one.
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by thefourwinds on Aug 8, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is cool, I just hope no one snags him, kid has some truly underrate athleticism
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3 TEs
I was thinking maybe they could keep Rogers/Easley by losing a TE (Caussin or Martin). Is going into the season with only 2 TEs a longshot?
I briefly considered that, but a) they kept three tight ends all last season, and b) I’ve got a feeling about this Caussin kid.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that team attached to David Martin though? Is he the best blocking TE on the team?
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
“Attached” isn’t the right word, but I think they’ll keep two blockers and a slot-ish type guy. Don’t see Martin going.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Caussin
is the only “odd” pick, otherwise I can find little to no fault with your 53 man roster. Though I feel they might keep 5 x DE.
Seems like a very well thought out list at this stage. Of course a lot changes in the pre-season but for now A+ in my eyes.
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I can’t really argue with anything you’ve done here. I especially agree that Easley is not likely to make the team over Roosevelt.
But you’re right about Rinehart also – there’s a very good chance he makes the team.
All-in-all, can’t argue with anything.
Perception is reality; but if your perception is off, you live in your own reality. -- perkispower
Unfortunatly, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
Actually, come to think of it, though there’s no good way to predict who, I could see a last-minute cut from another team being picked up from waivers and making the Bills 53-man roster ASAP. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.
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Easely a 3rd TE
I know he has trouble staying on the field but with his size and the upside at WR could be possibly be a TE/WR combo and work a little of both?
No. People far too often equate weight with strength. Easley is purely a wide receiver, and is currently the seventh receiver, at very best. In my book, he’s more like No. 10.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He can't stay healthy at WR
What makes anyone think he could stay healthy playing a position with more contact that doesn’t suit his strengths or abilities?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don't know about that.
It’s just the timing of his injuries. That he has been hurt now does not mean he will always be hurt. For instance, what if Eric wood had broke his leg during his first training camp? Would he be injury prone?
I think if a guy has interesting talent you have to find a way to check him out. Easley will be back this week and so he has a few more weeks to prove himself. I would rather have a guy who creates mismatches than a guy who plays with a lot of heart.
If Eric Wood broke his leg during BOTH OF HIS FIRST TWO TRAINING CAMPS then yes.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Special Teams
Is there anybody (aside from Sanborn, Lindell, and Moorman) who you expect to make the team based primarily on their special teams ability? Or is this something that might be better determined by how they fare in the preseason games?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
It’s a possibility, and the first name that comes to mind is Jon Corto. TBD.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Is towel boy on the roster?
Aaron Maybin could probably do that. He might not be able to support the weight of many wet towels, though.
Not being a negative Nancy here but what are the chances Fitz plays all 16 games with those OTs?
by ManitobaBillsFan on Aug 8, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
With those OTs? ;-)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point. Who knows maybe Ed Wang has improved alot but it seems like there isn’t alot of competition there, you make the team by default basically. There isn’t any quality OTs available right now anyway, maybe we’ll see some surprise cuts from other teams that we could look into.
by ManitobaBillsFan on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For some reason, I suspect that’s what the Bills are hoping for. They do still have an open roster spot, last I knew.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a fair point, Wang was really a project last year. We shouldn’t dismiss him until we see how he is coming along.
by greysquirrel on Aug 8, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The rest of training camp will tell the story with Easley. I could see the Bills keeping 7 WRs (and just 2 TEs… you could always use a backup OL at TE if you need a blocker) or Easley over Roosevelt.
I’m also not sure about the Bills keeping Wang (especially after all the guard talk at the end of last year). I’d have Rinehart over him at this point (with Pears shifting over to LT if Bell is injured).
Few questions:
1. What’s the plan if Byrd is hurt?
2. How solid is Coleman’s spot? He seems someone that could be a cut possibility, but there’s no one to put on the roster instead of him.
3. What 2-4 UFAs have the best shot at making the team?
I’d imagine you’d see Wilson slide to FS if Byrd misses time. Isn’t he pretty versatile? Then Scott could take Wilson’s position. I’m very uninformed on these matters though. Happy to supply the discussion though!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the PRE-PRE-SEASON idea.
It seems like a decent list for now.
My one significant change is I think 6 DL is one short. I realize Kelsay and maybe other LBs could “slide” to a DE position, but I would have 8 OL and add another DE.
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 8, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
I recall a theme last year..
that went something along the lines of: The bills org is willing to cut depth at a position in order to keep the best 53 players. In other words, If the 7th WR is a better football player than the 3rd TE a TE gets the ax.
Wang over Rinehart?
I can see the team (ugh) keeping Mansfield Wrotto if the Bills go with 9 OL. (I suspect 8.) I can’t see Buffalo keeping Wang, a guy who rode the pine when (a) he was healthy and (b) the Bills had injuries at RT, over Rinehart. If the Bills go with 8, which would allow for Easley, Shawn Nelson or Justin Rogers, I see it shaking out as:
LT: Bell
LG: Levitre
C: Wood
RG: Urbik
RT: Pears
Reserves: Rinehart, Hang, Hairston…or Wrotto if Hairston looks just terrible in camp.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
Wrotto, by the way, is unlikely to be picked up by any other NFL team. So, if the injury bug bites again he’ll be manning a couch somewhere waiting for the phone to ring.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
I’ve only seen one practice, but in it, Chris Hairston looked terrible. That’s why I think they’ll keep nine – two inactive on game days. As for Rinehart over Wang, there’s a shot, but Rinehart can’t play left tackle.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you say things right now are pretty messy along that line, and rather uninspiring?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve read about the defense making tons of plays behind the line of scrimmage, right? The Buffalo Bills’ defense.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait, so you are saying the D is BACK, right?
by greysquirrel on Aug 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
;-)
I just found this little nugget from John Clayton’s mailbag:
Chris in Rochester, N.Y., you’re right that there isn’t a buzz about the Bills’ free agent moves. They added two good players in Nick Barnett and Brad Smith, but I still worry that their offensive line is one injury away from total disaster. They needed offensive line help.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6840013/nfl-rookies-biggest-losers
I have to say I agree and i’d be surprised if Gailey wasn’t concerned.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since the line is about 35% scavenged parts as it is, it wouldn’t surprise me for Nix to look into OL guys who get caught in a numbers game on other rosters come cut time, once Gailey has had a fair chance to assess his current OL. If it’s looking like a complete mess in the backup department, he’ll try to upgrade that way. Better than shelling out FA money for a potential backup anyway.
by BuffaloRepresent on Aug 8, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
why not do this trade
Hang to ravens for Oneil Cousins.
We get a swing tackle backup and we know Urbik can move to C if needed already.
And Wang can play LT?
More than just in theory, I mean. So far the guy has been about what you’d expect for a 5th round flyer. I wonder if the Bills would cut Hairston and try to slip him through to the practice squad. He was a 4th rounder so someone might try to pick him up but if he’s a bad looking as you say then perhaps not.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
I have heard that Wang is looking decent at camp this year…..
by Xaviermw on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TWSS
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
no she didn't
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It's a stretch and I understand the reasoning.
I believe Wang is getting his chance, but I see Rhinehardt getting his spot even if it is only at guard. The unfortunate thing is if we lose either of our starting tackles they would be replaced with a starting guard or a reserve guard stepping in to play tackle. Example Pears or Bell go down, Wrotto comes in to play tackle, making Rhinehardt the swing guy at guard. C. Howard is the wild card here for tackle, he comes off PUP and immediately goes to LT in practice. Obviously, the coaching wants to evaluate him on that side. He could be the next developmental guy at tackle. Let’s hope none of this happens, but I have less faith in Wang moving forward than mixing up the O-Line to compensate replacements due to injury. The rest of the week at practice will be cruicial in the evaluation process.
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If they lose either starting tackle for a series of games, I suspect they’ll play their waiver-wire game quite heavily. They seem to live for that.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect similiar attention to that list , as well
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or
I suspect they’ll play their
waiver-wirepractice squad game
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Rinehart might be the starter
Not a bad roster, but I don’t see any chance that Chad Rinehart will be cut. The question with him is not whether he is on the final roster, but whether he is the starter at RG. As for Wang, I doubt he makes the roster at all. I would also bet that CB Justin Rogers is on the final list of 53.
Brain: Any Predictions for the Practice Squad?
I don’t know all the rules for the PS, and I know you already mentioned NT Michael Jasper above. I’m assuming also CB Justin Rodgers.
Who else? Who else is eligible? After spending last year on IR, is WR Marcus Easley?
Yes, Easley could go to the PS
Here’s a good explanation of how a player is eligible from last year, as I’m assuming the PS rules haven’t changed.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I seem to recall the last few years that the team went thin on O Line reserves to keep other spots and other players. That ended up being a mistake, but curious to see if they do it again for someone like an Easley or a Maybin to keep them on the roster.
Don’t discount trying to sneak someone onto IR to keep them for another year too. If Easley’s injury woes continue, I can see that happening
I wouldn't say that was a mistake
It’s not like they cut Offensive Linemen that were any better than the guys they needed to pick up later on…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Disappointment
Looking at the potential roster, its not as promising as I had thought it would be after the lockout. Wanted to see one FA veteran OT — that would have changed the feel of the roster, I think. Brian, how likely is it that we don’t see a major addition? You talk about the tough cuts, but I’d like to see another or two from this roster with new vets picked up — all the other teams in the division are continuing to do so even now.
I really want to see them do well but….I don’t know..
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by CoachSteveTucker on Aug 8, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
I think most of us are right there with you, if being pragmatic about the situation. But i’ll never squash the dreamers’ hope. I can’t wait unti the day comes where I can once again boast how good the team is, which I support so heavily.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd.
I can’t wait unti the day comes where I can once again boast how good the team is,
see, that’s the sentiment that I think gets overlooked by the supreme optimists. I’m a fan, always have been, always will. But, that doesn’t necessarily equate to blindly being in favor of every move this FO makes.
The handling of the status of the OL is a major error in judgement. It’s as if they have chosen to put their fingers in their ears while standing next to a live grenade. Save Wood and Levitre, the linemen we have would be(are) lower talent players on any other team, if they make it at all. They have all come from the recycle bin or practice squad of another team.
And for those who feel all we need is a QB to succeed, I refer you to Chan’s owns comments saying it’s hard for a QB to throw while on his back. All the defensive players in the world won’t help a sub-par, dysfunctional offense and without an OL, it will surely be dysfunctional.
That doesn’t mean anyone is disloyal or a “negative Nelly”. It’s just a cold, hard, pragmatic fact.
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5 WR
I can see the Bills rolling with only 5 WR. We have 2 RBs and a QB who can split wide. I believe Roosevelt is expendable along with Easley. Going with 5 WR would allow us to have better depth in a weaker area. They could keep an extra OL or MLB.
by Binghamton Billsfan on Aug 8, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
They don’t need 10 OL or 7 ILB, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't need 6 ILB either....
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
True, which is why I didn’t have six on the Ideal list. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
I still don’t see why you’d keep Torbor over Davis, though. Davis is the better player and more important to the success of the D this year, and neither have any long term impact anyhow.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Jasper will not last on the practice squad
I consider Brad Smith a 5th receiver, get rid of Namaan and add the big man to the 53. His role in goal line situations will be worth it
It’s fine to consider Smith a receiver; it’s not fine to consider Jasper a better football player than Roosevelt.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Roosevelt over Jasper?
A) Jasper was a draft pick so if they felt so strongly about him being available to other teams they would have just picked him up as a UDFA (obviously they wanted to make sure he wouldn’t get away).
B) Average build WR’s are dime a dozen. Not to mention he would be our 6th receiver including Brad Smith (Evans, Johnson, Parrish, Nelson, Easley, and Jones + Smith ahead of him). Compared to our 3rd defensive tackle?
C) I think Jasper would be more utilized ( most likely in goal line situations as a nose) than Roosevelt would as a 6th receiver and special teams player.
I think if Roosevelt got away it wouldn’t be an issue because Buffalo could always bring in some other receiver. You don’t come across a Jasper every day.
roosevelt will beat out easley
jasper will make the squad at the expense of most likely maybin i could also see the bills keeping only 2 tight ends claussin and chandler as well
Calling anybody a "career Redskin" when Dan Snyder is the owner is laughable. That dude make moves like he's some kid trading football cards. -greenwood1921
You don’t come across a Jasper every day.
You’re thinking athletically. Naaman Roosevelt is a better football player than Mike Jasper right now, and it’s not even close.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I agree that he is a better player than Jasper. But isn’t David Akers a better kicker than Matt Ryan is a quarterback (best kicker vs. 5th best qb?). Jasper is more valuable to his position than Roosevelt is, end of story. I bet Levi Brown is a better player than most reserves that will make the Bills, that doesn’t make him more likely to make the team, isn’t that what this post is about? How did this turn into who’s a better player?
You would prefer to keep Jasper active on Sundays for a couple goal line situations? Roosevelt has great special teams value and that’s way more plays than goal line. If you’re talking about who could make the bigger impact, it’s Roosevelt anyways.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel this way too, but I wonder if it’s just being a Bills fan has me overvaluing the size and potential of Jasper. He’s a VERY cool dude who I want to see stick with the organization.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s picked up off the PS from another team, he has to remain on their 53-man roster, right? I just don’t foresee any team feeling ok with him as their backup NT.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Aug 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
oh contrare'.....
the Ravens for one, cut Greg in the hopes of resigning him. When he left, they now totally rely on Mt Cody…. I think they for one would swoop in on him in a heartbeat….
Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!
Yes, they have to add him to the active roster.
by MattRichWarren on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody thinks Reggie Corner will get the axe? I do, and I hope the keep 2 TE’s and make a spot for Easley but who knows, maybe the kid is done here.
I think it’ll take Justin Rogers usurping him, which is possible.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Potential VS. realized potential, is the difference between Rogers and Corner, and Corner just isn’t that good, seems pointless to keep him around, and didn’t the DB coach talk up Rogers, something along the lines of him being our best pick of the draft ?
by cencalclassics on Aug 8, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t like the idea of cutting Easley just yet. Though he’d have to play like a man possessed after all the time he has missed. From the clips on BB.com that TE we got from Dallas has been looking pretty good at least catching the ball
Harooo
by Robot Nixon on Aug 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kind of disappointed we'll probably never see Easelys potential here in Buffalo.
But I completely understand him being cut.
I still see Corto making the final roster… I just dont know over who when I look at your depth chart. I had him making my 53… but I had 24 on O, 26 on D and 3 ST.
Now attending the Univ. of Hockey.
It’s okay. No one has seen Hardy’s potential either. Easley is a very curious sort. He’s out of the David Boston mold, in my eyes. I think he sticks around through all of camp, and feels the heat the entire time.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the cut schedule?
If i remember correctly there are 2 or 3 rounds of cuts, what are the deadlines for those?
When you stare at roster.....
There is a lot to talk about, our roster is weak in too many places……
Man, could we use a legit starting RT. OT. It would be like filling two roster spots IMHO as Pears, to me, looks impressive as the 3rd OT. (and wang scares the bejebus outta me.)…and yes, I see the pun.
Hangartner may not make it…..if Urbik gets snaps at Center look out hangman. Hang is our only small lineman and therefore does not fit.
Hairston better start showing something because his spot is very, very valuable. I know Hairston’s a forth rounder, but if he can’t help this year……our line looks sooo thin.
You can certainly see why Brian suggest Davis as a “surprize” cut. Davis is in a peculiar position. The better he teaches, the sooner he loses his job, and he wouldn’t be here if he wasn’t such a leader/teacher player. We could sure use C. White as a super surprize starter. Hey, you never know. Anybody know his wonderlic score?
As much as I would like to see a young guy take Torbor’s spot, Torbor’s ability to play in space and play both inside and out, makes him safe I think. Our LBs overall, can’t cover squat. Kelsay is such a liability in this regard. OCs probably drool looking at our stiff LBs. The Barnett signing looks even better in this regard as he is very athletic and can cover I am told.
I like our secondary with rogers making it better. And yes, I think absolutely, Rogers has a chance of unseating Corner, but, like I said, I like both of them to make it better. Lose Davis maybe; but man that is a tough cut as davis adds toughness and leadership.
The Jets really screwed up disrespecting Brad Smith. Looking at the roster this way, you can see if he only played special teams, he’d be worth it. Roster spots mean so much! Brad Smith also gives us another weapon offensively and gives the D more to study. Not only that, he also takes some of the pressure off of Fitzy as well IMHO. And Fitzy can regroup or gather his thoughts, whatever. And to top it off, B. Smith seems like a great character guy! – Great , great signing Chixy!
I could just ramble on and on about our roster…
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We could sure use C. White as a super surprize starter. Hey, you never know. Anybody know his wonderlic score?
Wonderlic scores are kept “secret”, and I could not find White’s score.
But according to this link, http://www.mlive.com/chippewas/index.ssf/2011/03/nick_bellore_scores_sixth_high.html, and a few other places, Central Michigan ILB Nick Bellore score of 36 was the best of the ILBs. Since all the low score results (ie Peterson with a 9) got leaked, I feel confident in the belief that White was in the 20-30 range, where the majority of players score.
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Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 8, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
wonderlics.....
Hey, thanks for lookin’ that up. I like that C. White was mentioned positively by Chris Brown the other day. So much so that I reread what Lindy’s draft mag had to say about him. It basically called him a great, great college player that is not athletic enough to play in the pros.
What I like about that is I read somewhere where they said he was a great, great highschool player that was not athletic enough to play in the major college leagues.
I also reread what they said about shep. and the magazine had more nice things to say about White’s ability to read defenses than they did sheppard’s. I think that is saying something since sheppards called the D for LSU.
If the Bills are going to surprize this year, they are going to need a surprize player or three….
So far, this year, to me…..it has been troup (I didn’t like him last year (accept for his hustle and attitude). and Wang, same as Troup, I was very surprized he replaced Bell. and Troup has been mentioned a tron by chris brown so far.
but, it is very early.
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I have known Chris since he was a little kid
He has always been underrated he will surprise many of you
He called the D for MS state and is very good at reading O’s and getting to the ball
He does a much better job at covering TE’s then alot of LB’s
He played TE and LB his first 2 years in jr. college
He played outside LB for 3 years in college till they moved him inside his sr. year
I believe he will be on the field alot more then most people here think
I admit i’m a homer when it comes to him but if any of you knew him you would feel the same
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Aug 8, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for the heads up....
great info!!!
Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!
I am not a MSU fan but saw White in a few games. Couldn’t miss him.
Check out this FanPost: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/8/2/2339287/a-good-ol-fashioned-mind-dump#comments
About a third of the way into the comments I posted similar things in a discussion with PaullyPforPrez.
I see White potentially starting next year. Still early but given his past I see a good chance.
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Aug 8, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree with only 2 players
jasper and rinehart…
jasper wont last in practice squad… if the teams didnt notice him before the draft much, now they sure must have researched on him… if he really has the freakish ability for his size then he is not getting cut… and bills keep 7 D-linemen anyway… i see only 6 in your list…
rinehart, i dont have a compelling argument but i wish he stays in the team.. based on Ron’s analysis last year, rinehart was better than urbik… both are former 3rd rounders with potential…
What if Jasper is no good, though?
There are always big, athletically gifted players out there. Heck, Kellen Heard is also one of those types. But what if Jasper really stinks up the preseason? What team is going to want to sign him to their roster? If/when Jasper gets cut, he’d be wise to stick with the practice squad of the team who drafted him and has plans for him.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Jasper and Rinehart.....
I suggest above that urbik can play center, I was bluffing somewhat….I read a post recently talking about where all our lineman can play. I know at least one of them can play center and I think it was Urbik….and I suppose above that Hang just might not make it as he does not match the rest of the Linemen…as he is smallish. Can Rinehart play center?
I see you pointed out that there is a spot for Jasper as the Bills carry 7 D-line, but wonder if jasper can steal McIntyre’s spot as a FB or if there is a place for Jasper on special teams? In fact, it might come down to if he can help on special teams or not. Jason Peters killed on specials. But, I would add that if Jasper causes any problems along the lines in a preseason game, he could be a lock ….
I would love to see Jasper help in any way this year, we could sure use a monster.
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McGee
I wouldn’t be shocked to see mcgee get cut. He’s getting older and there are plenty of dbs looking for a chance. With Williams playing well in training camp it may be time to cut mcgee
I don’t agree and I feel that’s a wise move. The perceived depth and ability at CB isn’t as stout as most wish to believe.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant to say
“unwise” not “wise.”
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 8, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s starting with the ones and has looked good. I doubt it.
by Xaviermw on Aug 8, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Healthy....
McGee is the number one corner on our team IMHO.
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1 or 2 fewer linebackers
I’d imagine we keep one more DB.
Hang could get traded
or just flat out released but why not try to grab something in return .
Buddy loves searching through the scrap, so i could see a couple guys that Brian has listed primarily Coleman and Bryan Scott getting the Axe and Buddy picking up some cuts from other teams.
I think Rhinhardt makes the squad to be honest hes a big bodies guard that really moves guys + he played real well when he did play last year.
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" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
Maybe we can....
get a 6th or 7th for hang from a team hurting at center, you are right.
And yes, I agree there could be 3 or 4 different players on our starting roster by sept. 11th. Hey, you never know…. I guess it depends what’s out there.
Coleman roster spot is clearly not safe, it will be fun to see all our LBs in preseason. Living in Baltimore I am thrilled the NFL network is replaying the preseason games. I hope to watch them very, very carefully and post from that.
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I think having center depth is worth more than a 6th or 7th, personally.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
center depth....
So do I, but chris brown mentioned hang is not the only guy backing up that played center. See above…… I proposed if someone else is getting snaps or will get snaps at center…hang could be let go…..it is all above.
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I know you suggested Urbik could play center, but if he’s good enough to be the second option at center, then he’ll probably start at guard. Hang was our center all last year, he’s worked with this OL before, he knows the offense, he’s a MUCH better choice. And considering I don’t trust the health of our OL, I would rather have very deep depth than an extra 6th rounder, still.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
9 offensive linemen....
= 9 offensive linemen. If you like the hangman as the back-up center/guard that’s fine, I am merely suggesting a possability….a different nine.
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Jasper will eat the stadium if he dont make the cut.
by Feedjasper on Aug 8, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Predictions
Pretty close…I’ll go:
Easley over Caussin
Rinehart over Wrotto
Rogers over C. White
Corto over Scott
Aiken over Sanborn
Easley’s a better prospect than Caussin, so I don’t think they’ll expose him and I think with all of the spread formations Buffalo is likely to use, the 3rd tight end can be kept on the practice squad in case of injury.
I don’t think Wrotto’s ability to play tackle in a pinch will matter that much if they’re keeping both Wang and Hairston. I think Rinehart’s a better guard, so he’ll stick.
Chris White’s value as a developmental prospect is diminished with Moats moving inside. I think the 10th DB is a stone cold given and I’ll say Rogers makes it over his fellow draftee.
I think Searcy will play well enough to beat out Scott as the 2nd team SS. I’ll say in that case, the younger, more versatile Corto is the 4th safety.
Lindell and Moorman were both lousy last year. I’ll predict Sanborn takes the fall for both and the supposed, top long snapper prospect in the country gets the nod for the job.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Lindell and Moorman were both lousy last year. I’ll predict Sanborn takes the fall for both and the supposed, top long snapper prospect in the country gets the nod for the job.
Interesting theory. I bet this would be more feasible if either Lindell or Moorman (especially Moorman) weren’t coming back this year.
Perception is reality; but if your perception is off, you live in your own reality. -- perkispower
Unfortunatly, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
The only one I think I could get behind there is Corto over Scott. That would be interesting. Doubt they keep Rinehart over Wrotto; Wrotto’s staying. They gave him a contract.
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by Brian Galliford on Aug 8, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
So with the spread offense that Chan Gailey is moving more towards, you still believe that McIntyre would be worthy of a roster spot? I understand the veteran leadership and special teams ability he brings, so please don’t bash me for that. It’s just going to a spread offense I tend to assume right now that the fullback will not be on the field as much. I could be wrong on this though and am just looking to see what other people think.
I think McIntyre, even if not a big part of the spread offensive game plan, still brings a lot to the table in terms of ST, and for that we’ll keep him on the roster. Also, he’s a beast.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Pre-season????
How many players can the Bills have on the roster for Pre-season games? I would love to see Maybin and Jasper get some pre-season reps to see how they perform.
by BuffaloFanFromCT on Aug 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Mostly
I think we’re going to see one less LB due to Moats being able to play inside or out. I also think they’ll bring in an additional DL (probably DT) especially if they’re still playing a hybrid 3-4/4-3 system. I would love to see Jasper stay on for short yardage and goalline; I understand that pure physical talent only goes so far but I think he has a good chance of being the future heart of the Bills DL.
If there is even less or no 4-3 this year then I think Jasper is the obvious odd man out unless he is good for special teams or as a Refrigerator Perry blocker.
Let's get McKinnie - he's better than both out OTs!!
Bryant McKinnie is available and he’s shown the ability to start and be an above average tackle – we missed him the first time – let’s get him here!!
by Barman23 on Aug 8, 2011 8:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's fat lazy
and unmotivated……………………..
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
And still better than both our OTs!
by Barman23 on Aug 8, 2011 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No he's not
Or the Vikings would have kept him around.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Maybe
but it is very possible to not be good enough to be one of the Vikings best 3 OT’s and still be one of our best 2 OTs.
Dareus will Carry Us.
I can’t say I disagree with this statement.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Aug 9, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
My issue with this
is there’s no real surprise making the team, besides caussin i guess. they signed 20 undrafted players, i would be shocked if at least one of them didnt wind up on the roster (unless im missing someone?)
Hubbard
Brian, everything I read about training camp so far has some mention of a big play he makes, is he any chance at all of surviving the cut or is WR a position just too deep for him to get in there?
Why ?
Over a month ago I stated I thought he’d not make the 53 man roster and I’ve seen nothing to suggest otherwise since then. The league has a bunch of mid to low rounds guys every year who get hurt badly and are never heard from again – he fits that mould perfectly !
Dareus will Carry Us.
Only 5 CBs? Seems a little light?
I get rooting for Jasper, but why are people obsessed with him making the team this year? Doubt anyone is going to use waivers on him. No one even scouted him?
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by buffalosportsfan on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
Stupid two tables…I retract my previous statment, except not on Jasper
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