Bills vs. Lions: Buffalo's Three-Man Defensive Line Battle
During tonight's pre-season finale between the Buffalo Bills and Detroit Lions, the bulk of the work being done on both sides will be making final evaluations of young depth players. As far as the Bills go, one overlooked battle waging is for (perhaps) one final spot at the back end of the team's defensive line depth chart.
Five Bills defensive linemen - Kyle Williams, Marcell Dareus, Spencer Johnson, Dwan Edwards and Torell Troup - are locks to make the team. A sixth player, Alex Carrington, is a lock as well - though he's spent the better part of the last month lining up at outside linebacker.
Given Carrington's positional versatility, it seems likely that there will be one spot left for three reserve linemen to battle for. That way, the Bills would have six defensive linemen - enough depth to keep Carrington at linebacker, but not so deep that they couldn't slide Carrington back to end if the need arises.
The three contenders: end Kellen Heard, who has had a strong pre-season; veteran Lionel Dotson, acquired off of waivers; and fan favorite seventh-round pick Michael Jasper. Who do you have, Bills fans?
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Vote goes to Heard
Between the three, he’s earned it.
As much as it pays me to say it, because Jasper is such a feel-good story.
by maestro110584 on Sep 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper
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I think Heard, he is almost as big as Jasper and has looked good.
Heard
Jasper to the practice squad. He’s just too raw right now.
What are you doing? It's a game of touch football, every time I look over you're on your ass again.
Heard has shown the most so far..
Doston…can’t recall seeing too much from him.
Jasper=Eclipse… maybe PS. needs time at this level but shows promise.
would love for the Bills to hang onto him though.
No poll?
Heard seems the most proven and the most ready to play of the three. But the Jasper story is pretty wild!
Gotta be Heard of those 3...
but like others have said above, Jasper would be such a feel good story and most likely never active.
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Special teams
I think Heard has definately played well and out performed Dotson and Jasper as defensive linemen, but i’m curios to know if any one can comment on any of their special teams contributions.
gotta follow suit
and say that it will be Heard, with Jasper going to the PS.
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heard for me too
its surprising if this question was asked 2 months back, the response would be “who is heard”
Heard all the way
He’s actually outperformed Troup in my opinion…Thoughts?
I believe he has but he's a different type of player than Troup is
Troup is gonna be the Nose type to hold his ground where as Heard has shown quickness and the ability to penetrate at a tackle or end.
Okay
That argument could be made with any 2nd or 3rd stringer…If you make plays, you make plays.
I haven’t seen Troup do much of anything, with the 1’s or 2’s..I like Heard because he gives us that playmaking ability..
We need more than just “a guy in the middle” who can clog things up..
I don’t know….I’d say that’s exactly what the Defense has been missing since Sam Adams and Pat Williams left town.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 1, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But those guys
were more than just space eaters. They demanded double teams and they made plays in the back field
Yeah, but they weren’t penetrators by nature. They made the occasional play, but they were OK with taking the double team (that’s what a space eater does, he eats up blockers).
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Heard is a no brainer
He has been the most polished and would probably get the nod. I see Jasper on the PS. Guys that big and athletic are too rare not to give him a year to get better.
Unfortunately...
I have seen Jasper being pushed around when he is on the field. He is HUGE, but must be having a hard time with technique and leverage. We all wanted him to be a monster from the start, but I don’t think he’ll make the cut.
I think he's a cut
The guy just can’t play DT, its so obvious. If you look at him, there is no penetration, no explosion, can’t get off of blocks..Im not rooting for him, I’m rooting the best Football player.
What are you talking about? The guy just pushes everything back 2 yards. A nose tackle that can collapse the pocket is valuable.
I’ve seen him get pushed around a decent amount also.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 1, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I've watched all the preseason games
about 4 times each..the guy does not collapse the pocket.. He stands straight up and just occupies space..Obviously, you disagree. We’ll see come roster cut time
Wow. That’s a lot of torture you put yourself through.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
by TheAfghanTwilight on Sep 1, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No way doctor
He won’t get cut. They drafted him knowing full well that he is a project.
He’ll be on the PS allowing him to work on his technique AND GET EVEN STRONGER!!!!
And lose a couple dozen pizzas too!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 1, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
A Cut..
means that they didn’t make the 53-man roster. Cuts can still be signed to the practice squad.
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Sep 1, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Jasper All The Way
Next year he will be Ted Washington!
Agree
But I just can’t help but root for Jasper. I’m hoping he turns out to be Jason Peters type story, but doesn’t turn into a prima donna.
Here's hoping!
both heard and jasper
make the squad Jasper will be inactive most of the year but he makes it heard is the 4th de Buffalo sends chris white to ir to cover the extra spot
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by Gpluehri on Sep 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think you nailed it. We can only carry s
o many ilbs. Plus the bills have been utilizing more 4 lineman fronts than 3.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 1, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope that both make it as well
My fear is out of the 2 Heard has played better, but he also has a yr of experience. Jasper is a freak. 380 lb guys that can run, be athletic & that dont tire quickly are not that common. Given a yr or two of pro level coaching he will be a monster SOMEWHERE. I fear if Jasper goes PS he wont be there long as someone will scoop him up & we’ll be screwed. Just my fear.
It has to be Heard.
The only question in my mind is will they try to keep Jasper on the 53. But if so, who do they give up? That’s a tough one.
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Tough Choices Based On How You See Their Potential
But one of the guys doing it by his deeds is Robert Eddins. No way they cut this guy. So now who goes and who stays gets very interesting.
Yeah – you can’t ask for more from an UDFA in a year like this one than Eddins has shown. He’s had so little time to show them what he can do, and he’s made the most of it.
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This ones hard, might depend on tonight. Coleman has show some decent play against the ones, some decent pressures. Batten even better. Eddins has racked up more stats, but against 2’3 and 3’s with more play time. He looks fast, but I think they should give him some first team reps.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
Not Dotson
he hasn’t shown he is the better of the three and he has prior experience in the league which is a big advantage
I love the idea of having a guy Jaspers size on the team, he could find his niche and have a great career, but if Heard has shown more potential to this point you have to give him the nod.
The sentimental pick
goes to Jasper for sure, but Heard looks like a player to me. If we can’t keep both my pick goes to Heard.
by As Smart as I Look on Sep 1, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
Keep Heard and send Jasper to the PS
I am not concerned at all about Jasper leaving for anoher team as long as we PS him. I think he knows that this team of all out there gives him the best chance of honing his skills and comeing in next year and making a run at making the team. Name another team that has made more starteres out of undrafted and low drafted players in the last two years. I remember several times in the last year hearing people say things like Heard is just a camp body, or he is just a big body to fill space in the middle. Yet a year later and he is starting to develope into a whoping 346 LB DE. Jasper could do the same if he puts in the time this year on PS. I am still very high on Jasper, but this was not going to happen this year with the shortened offseason. Good luck to both of them!! I just dont know much about Dotson?
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Heard
But they need to keep Jasper on roster
If they don’t some other team will fine room and Dotson has a spot its just not w/ BLO
by Bufbills on Sep 1, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jasper all the way!!!
His upside is almost immeasurable. His talent, while raw, is unquestionable. Plus, throwing him in as a goaline fullback, much like “The Fridge” in Chicago, should remedy our goaline rushing woes.
Question about the PS: Do the Bills get a right of first refusal? Say we put Jasper on the PS, and the Patsies try to sign him. Do we automatically get to keep him if we promote him to our 53 man roster?
No.
There is no right of first refusal. Practice Squad players are essentially free agents who are getting a paycheck to practice with the team, that’s about it. Just like any club can sign a free agent at will, any club can sign a PS player at will. It’s also against NFL bylaws for a team to refuse another team’s request to contact a practice squad member.
But the player himself can choose to stay with the team that drafted him and signed him to the PS.
But first, before the player can be signed to the PS, he has to clear waivers. That’s where another team could pick up someone like Jasper without him or the Bills having any say so – when the cuts happen, before the PS signings happen.
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Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
I can't think of a single player that would stick around.
Practice Squad players make 10% of what NFL minimum players make.
I genuinely don’t understand the Jasper infatuation. He has had a hard time with his technique against the late-gamers this preseason. It has to be Heard, who’s impressed at times against the 2s.
I can’t imagine a team grabbing him off the PS and putting him on their 53 man roster, so I’d rather Jasper head there than be on our final 53. If he gets added to another team’s roster, then good for him, that’d be fine with me.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
by stetzwebs on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
well said…
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I like your logic and although I wouldn’t say I’m infatuated (no pun intented) with Jasper, I am afraid he goes to another team by at least the end of the year. I agree, Heard has no doubt played better, but by no means a big enough difference maker. I say take a chance on Jasper on the 53 in hopes he turns out to be a Kris Jenkins type middle stuffing NT from hell.
I can see that point of view, definitely. Heard hasn’t shown himself to be the next great NT. However, I don’t really even see Jasper as a project. Heard has at least shown something. I could be wrong, of course.
P.S. I like how you said you liked my logic, and then argued against me :)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
P.S. I like how you said you liked my logic, and then argued against me :)
I’m glad you appreciated that, been married too long =-)
I like Jasper as a project, strong, ginormouslyistic, relatively athletic. Seems he needs to get lower, use his hands more, sculpt his body some and he will be ok. Maybe I put too much stock in the fact that he played guard the past 2 years at a small college, but that should count for something when considering his upside.
I doubt anyone is really saying keep Jasper over Heard. The question for me (and a lot of others) is, “Can the Bills keep Jasper on the 53, and if so, who (at another position) do they cut to hold his roster spot?”
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
IMO, he’s not talented enough to warrant the spot over someone else at another position. that’s not to say that he doesn’t deserve a roster spot, but he’s got to beat out Heard and Dotson outright.
Ryan FitZpatrick - The Inconvenient Truth.
Dotson will not make the team. Even if Jasper beats out Dotson, it will still take the Bills being willing to cut someone from another position in order to keep Jasper on the 53.
Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin. -- stetzwebs
Unfortunately, experience doesn't always lead to wisdom - Joe P.
Jasper
More upside, Heard is maxed out. WYSIWYG in preseason.
Keep Heard
i expect they wil lkeep heard and put jasper to practice squad he just is to raw right now he didint look to good he got moved around not bad but still raew as for heard he looked promising and i expect the bills to keep him
Jasper's Not There Yet
He doesn’t seem to have any capability with his hands, letting the linemen get into his body and actually push (quite a push, granted) him back. He’s been moved 2-3 yards off the LOS in too many plays.
I have seem no penetration. No pocket collapse.
It’s not surprising. It take a lot more than size and power to play on the NFL level. He is standing still compared to the athletes surrounding him. At this point.
PS at best.
Vote goes to Heard. He’s actually effected the pocket on several plays and broken through up the middle a couple of times.
Ryan FitZpatrick - The Inconvenient Truth.
Some Similarity between Heard and Jasper
Both are immense human beings, the two biggest dudes on the team. Heard is in the 6’4’’ 350 range, while Jasper is around 6’5’’ and 390.
Both are raw talents that lack development. Kellen Heard signed at Miami, but never enrolled. He eventually wound up at Texas A&M, but just decided not to play for his senior year. He got picked up by Oakland as a UDFA before coming to Buffalo.
Jasper was supposed to go to Ole Miss, but wound up elsewhere when the coaching situation changed. He bounced from UT Martin to Middle Tennessee State before finally landing at Bethel.
The main distinction between the two is that Heard floated around because he was lazy, while Jasper sort of just got lost in the mix. Jasper seems to be the model worker, while Heard seems to be a lazy hangaround. That said, Heard’s play this preseason suggests that he may finally have found his inner fire. And Heard is undoubtedly very talented, just as Jasper is.
I’m rooting for Jasper, but I think Heard is the more likely pick right now. Hopefully Jasper becomes a force to reckon with by next camp.
I would rather sign Jasper
I know that Kellen Heard has looked better. But look at the long term prospects of both players. Are we really ever going to get anything out of Heard besides a deep depth player? Face it, Heard is not going to be a starting defensive lineman for our team, or for any team according to most considerations. Jasper, while not as ready for the NFL right now, is a much more intriguing prospect with high upside. Jasper has the mark and some tools to one day be a major contributor for an NFL team. That’s all I care about.
If we can keep developmental offensive lineman around as a good long-term move, we can certainly do it with defensive lineman. That’s what we should do with Jasper, not give him up to the practice squad where he becomes vulnerable to being lost for good.
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If u look close he has a turkey sandwich in his helmet..and those dredlocks are actually chocolate covered twizlers he nibbles on inbetween downs.
Yea im rootin for jasper but heard was a bit more impressive during the preseason. Its a tough call when u think future potential and longevity.
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