Some Week 1 Thoughts
I thought I'd take a dump to get some of my thoughts on the Preseason, and now Week 1 out, as I've been meaning to do so for a while now. That was a fantastic win over the Chiefs with numerous quality performances on both sides of the ball. This team still has a loooooong way to go, but for the first time in a long while they look like a competent bunch even if they are missing some huge pieces.
- Ryan Fitzpatrick played a great game in KC, making all the throws he needed to make and moving around the pocket to avoid pressure. He needs to build off this performance and not just sink back in the mud like he tends to do after a big performance. As I said elsewhere, it would be huge if Fitz can keep his yards per attempt around 7.5 for the season, it'll be a major success. If he fades back to his career numbers of well under 7, the passing offense is going to be a major disappointment.
- Piggybacking the prior comment, the passing game will need to start making some big plays down the field at some point. With no major speed threat on the roster, it's going to be imperative to take advantage of matchups. Fitz did a great job with the underneath and intermediate stuff against the Chiefs, which obviously would need to continue, but to open that up further, he needs to hit some downfield passes. Take advantage of Parrish on a LB or single coverage on Stevie on the outside. He did it for that fantastic TD to Stevie, and those are the matchups that need to be exploited.
- Fred Jackson is awesome. There is such a huge gap between him and CJ Spiller right now in all facets of the game. The team needs to continue with a heavy workload for Jackson, while sprinkling Spiller in occasionally and in the passing game. I'd love to see more screen passes to both backs going forward.
- It's a shame Marcus Easley just can't get on the field one way or the other. I'm really excited to see what he can offer this offense, but he has to get on the field first. Hope whatever the issue is now is minor and he can return to the field in a few weeks. I hope the team doesn't shut him down for the year as a result, either, unless it's worse than we've though at this point. His preseason game against the Jaguars really flashed his potential; hopefully he gets the chance to show his stuff at some point soon.
- David Nelson is what he is. A quality possession guy who makes the catches underneath for first downs and uses his body to get open. That's the role he should remain in. For those questioning Donald Jones as the "#2" over Nelson, both will play a lot and get plenty of opportunities. Nelson is just much better out of the slot and over the middle where he can work on slower LB's or smaller DB's.
- The OL will have it's moments this year, and will have it's struggles (doy). What this unit needs to do is nail down some consistency while avoiding the crushing mistakes. Last year, numerous holding penalties or false starts negated nice gains or derailed drives. Can't have that this year. Nobody is expecting this group to be perfect, but they can avoid the mental mistakes and let their play decide how successful they'll be.
- I think the combo of Bell and Pears can look very good at times this season, but I still don't believe they'll be quite good enough, Bell especially. Pears has looked good all summer and in week 1, so if he can continue with solid technique, he should at least be competent for this team. I think he'll struggle with speed rushers when presented with that challenge, however, as he's not the fleetest of foot. He needs to use those hands and long arms though.
- Does Kraig Urbik look too stiff and slow to anybody else? In a power run game, that's fine, but when the Bills spread out a defense or run on the edge, that's going to be a glaring weakness. I think Chad Rinehart gets a shot at some point.
- Scott Chandler looks like a keeper. I think I'm in love. He won't be a big play threat from the position, but if one game is an indication, he will be a solid all-around factor for this offense. He's an above average blocker in the run game and has a great combination of size and decent athleticism as a pass catcher. He was getting open all game against KC and it sure seemed like plays were designed to get him the ball. That's a size mismatch every time, and if Chandler can get even remotely open, he'll provide Fitz a nice target. He seems to have great hands too. I hope he remains a big part of the passing game moving forward. This year's Marcedes Lewis, maybe? Hopefully?
- It's too bad Terrence McGee can't stay healthy. He's such a solid all-around CB when he's out there, but he just can't remain on the field. It's a shame, and will really hurt this defense moving forward. It's time for Leodis McKelvin to finally sink or swim. This is the opportunity he needs and needs to take advantage of. It's time for him to become a consistent player and avoid the mental mistakes that have plagued his career. I have a feeling Jacoby Ford is going to run a few seams against him this weekend. Hope he's ready.
- Drayton Florence remains our best CB, physical and routinely in the right spot. As always, I'm sure he'll be prone to the odd mistake, but I'm very comfortable with him in the lineup.
- Is Aaron Williams ready? He better be. He didn't look out of place against KC, so that's a nice start, but I have a feeling he's going to get picked on a lot, especially in two weeks. Hope you're ready kid.
- Justin Rogers? Uh oh.
- So far, Nick Barnett looks like a fantastic addition. He's a better all-around LB than Posluszny and if he can stay healthy, he's going to have a big year for this defense. I think the run defense will be improved this year with Barnett at the heart of it. Marcell Dareus is also going to be a major presence in that area. His size and quickness make him a tough block, and should help free up Kyle Williams next to him. We'll see.
- It'd be nice if Shawne Merriman could make it through a game without getting dinged in some way, wouldn't it? When he's on the field, he's a presence, but I just don't think he'll be remotely reliable this year. He wasn't much of a factor against the Chiefs, but he did garner enough attention from them. At the very least, this defense needs that.
- More Alex Carrington, less Chris Kelsay, m'kay?
- Jairus Byrd was very, very good in the opener. He continues to improve his tackling and has become a very good player in run support. That was an area that he was very good in last year, that nobody wants to talk about. With a better front 7 in front of him this year, he will be even better in my opinion. I don't think he'll ever be a playmaker in the passing game again though. I thought he was vastly overrated during his rookie year in that aspect. I do hope he can generate some turnovers, though. Our secondary as a whole isn't going to be very good at creating the turnovers this year....
- Because the pass rush continues to stink. There was very little pressure against Cassel, except on the occasional blitz. I guess a fully healthy Merriman helps that, but that's not to be counted on. If there's anything that really hurts this team, week in and week out, this season, it's going to be the pass rush. Some day I'll get my wish, a big time pass rusher on this team.
- Brian Moorman kicked really well Sunday. Hopefully, when the weather turns he won't take the same nosedive he's taken the past few years. Avoiding the shanks is going to be a major part of his resurgence as a top punter. He had too many of those last year.
- To me, this team still has 5 or 6 win talent. There are still too many holes and too few playmakers. Chan Gailey seems to be doing a great job getting the most of his players, especially offensively. If they can block enough to give Fitzpatrick time, the passing offense could be pretty solid. For this team to really surprise and push for a playoff spot, they need to do a few major things well....Win the turnover battle, generate some pressure on the QB, limit the critical mistakes on offense. Those are areas the team struggled in last year. Overcoming those obstacles, and a tough schedule, won't be easy, but would be a big part of why this team could theoretically push for a winning record.
At the very least, this should be the most exciting season in some time. The offense looks capable of scoring some points, probably more in bunches than consistently, but enough to win some games. The run defense looks to be much improved, but will it be improved enough to make a difference? Sunday against Oakland's power running game will be the ultimate challenge. This team needs to win those types of games if they are going to take the next (first?) step towards relevance and becoming a contender.
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of course, they have more than 5 or 6 win talent
they just destroyed a 10 win team on the road….
sorry, but your close contradicts the evidence on the field.
5 or 6 win teams do not go on the road and destroy a
division champion on the opening day.
i am sure you can find an example where this has happened?
Is KC as good as they were last year? When reading on the KC website this weekend, I came away with the impression they are expecting KC to be worse this year.
despite
KC probably being a fairly crap team this year, the encouraging part is that the bills did what they should do against crap teams: destroy them. if the bills had only squeaked out a win on the chiefs i’d understand the debate about how good the chiefs are, but 41-7 and resting starters should be good enough even against the the worst team.
by brooklynbills on Sep 14, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
How so?
I don’t think the Chiefs are a 10 win team. I think they are right where the Bills are with a 5 or 6 win roster, after the injuries and the turmoil on that team.
I don’t really need an example of that. It’s my opinion that the Chiefs aren’t very good. It was a nice butt whooping though. :)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The only thing that matters is whether or not the Chiefs played like a 10 win team on Sunday. They did not. Anyone who says that that game was decided solely by the talent and play of the Bills’ players did not watch the game. The Chiefs played poorly, nothing like a 10 win team. I’m sorry, but there is no “of course” when talking about how many games this Bills team can win. Can they win 10 games this year? Yes, if things go their way and their offensive line and pass rush show up to each game. Will they? It’s doubtful.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
5 or 6 win teams do not go on the road and destroy a
division champion on the opening day.
buffalo bills, 2008? :P
To be fair, again, the Bills did not destroy Seattle from the get-go. Most of those early wins that season were extremely close games. The win against Seattle, which only got out of hand in the 4th Q (after the PR TD and the Fake FG TD), was the only game even close to a blowout.
At Jacksonville was a last-minute comeback.
Vs Oakland was a last-minute comeback.
At St Louis was a 2nd half comeback.
Vs San Diego was a very close game until late in the 4th Q.
On the other hand, this game against the Chiefs on the road was complete domination in all facets of the game.
Does that mean the Bills are playoff-bound? No, but again, this is what good teams should do to bad teams, rather than let them hang around all game and only finish them off with a last-minute comeback.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant as a reply to lord gloom.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the passing game will need to start making some big plays down the field at some point
maybe a little – but i’m not sure that they should focus on that – last year 67% of all of Tom Brady’s throws were under 10 yards – why can’t Fitz be that guy?
I think our team is more suited and should exploit the shorter passing game – we have large receivers who can shield away defenders – if it works then use it.
Plus Fitz has a gunslinger mentality – he’ll throw more than a few out there i’m betting
Can be both...
I think in the team context of my comment, they need to start going downfield more. Outside of Stevie, I don’t really consider any other players on offense capable of the big play. They can try to get down the field and score points by sustaining drives and throwing underneath all they want, but at some point they need to take more shots, especially to keep the underneath game a bit more open.
Fitz can throw 2/3 of his passes under 10 yards, and I expect him to do so. I just want to see a few more shots down the field. I don’t think this offense will be able to sustain drives every week, nor do I expect the defense to keep teams under 20 all the time. They need some big plays, some quick scores and the threat of going deep to open up their ‘bread and butter’.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Fitz still takes more shots downfield than Cap’n Checkdown ever did.
by Ian MacPersonoid on Sep 14, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitz can be that guy if he shows improved accuracy on passes down the field. Brady passes down the field seldomly but when he does, he typically has a beautiful pocket to work in and throws a deadly accurate ball.
If teams start playing the underneath routes and force Fitz to beat them deep, it’s on him to consistently deliver accurate passes. If he can do that, welcome to the big time Mr. Fitzpatrick.
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by dnvrBillsfan on Sep 13, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the offensive line reservations. They played very well in the opener, but I’ll be interested to see how they hold up in a dogfight (which we should see this week). I have serious doubts over the long haul concerning this group, but they deserve a ton of a credit for the KC massacre.
As much as Jackson has proven to be far superior to Spiller and as much as he truly wants to monopolize the carries, I personally want 2-3 drives a game with Spiller as the featured back. Aside from trying to develop (salvage?) an extremely high draft choice, I prefer the two-back approach that keeps a bull like Jackson fresher for the long haul. Obviously, when teh game is on the line, Jackson needs to be in there, but 8-10 carries a game for Spiller sounds about right for now in my opinion.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Spiller/Jackson
That’s fair. I don’t think CJ Spiller is a very good player, so to me, I wouldn’t be using him that much. I’d be trying to get him the ball in space more (screens, occasional deep ball, slants/drags, swings, pitches), but I don’t know if I’d be comfortable giving him 8-10 carries a game. I think many of those would be wasted carries, actually. I might feel better giving Johnny White some of those 8-10 carries at some point this year. I just don’t think very highly of Spiller at all. He needs to prove myself and many others wrong.
Keeping Freddie fresher would be my main reason for any increase in Spiller’s work.
I would like to see them both on the field more often. Maybe Spiller will have a better chance at success if Jackson is out there catching the eye of defenders??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I guess we are on the same page re: Spiller and the RB situation. I posted below to PR. When it posted I read your post and laughed.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand why you want Spiller to have 2-3 drives a game but I am very torn on that issue. The bottom line is I want to see more wins. I see Freddy as the key to more wins. I would like to see Easley on the field to develop but I would not want Stevie off the field to let Easley develop. I realize that is not a 100% apples to apples comparison b/c of the numbers of WRs on the field but the principle holds true. As much as I want to “salvage CJ” , I find myself asking if I would want CJ to get even 6 carries a game if he was a 5th round draft pick like Johny White.
At the end of the day I can’t see giving CJ 25%-33% of the carries based on his production. If he gets 5 carries a game and starts to have consistant 2-4 yard gains with no apparent hole present then he will have earned additional carries. If they want to rest Fred at this point in time I would rather see Johny White get a few of the carries to see if he has the ability to grind out tough yards. CJ should be used like Percy Harvin, as he is more Harvin than even Reggie Bush.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
O Line and the Screen Game
I agree that Urbik looks stiff and slow. Of course Urbik seems to fit into the bigger model of lineman the Bills are seeking.
A successful screen game is dependant upon the O lineman 1) selling their blocks, 2) having the mobility to get in position in front (or side/diaganol depending on assignment) of the pass catcher, and 3) making their assigned blocks in space. The Bills lineman struggled in the scren game last year. Sure there were a few succesful plays (Jackson and Jones), but quite often the Bills lineman either failed to sell their blocks or fail to make the key block in space. I believe bigger lineman like Urbik have difficulty in the screen game due to the demands of foot speed and blocking in space. I hope the Bills spend a lot of time working on this facet of the game as I believe the Bills have two backs that are great weapons once they hit the second level.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
Yes and no
A successful screen doesn’t have to go for 30 yards. It can be a simple 8 yard pickup, which I think this offense is more than capable of getting any time they’d want to run a screen. Maybe Urbik isn’t ideal for getting out in front of a screen, but Bell, Levitre, Wood and to a lesser extent Pears, all move pretty well.
If they want to get Spiller more touches in space, this is a great way to do it. Let him try to use his speed to get past defenders, even if Urbik and friends aren’t the best downfield blockers…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Mostly agree, but
- More Alex Carrington, less Chris Kelsay, m’kay?
Kelsay had a very good game. I’ve watched it a couple times now, and Kelsay was in the right place much of the game. I can’t recall an edge contain that he lost. His pressure contributed to the first sack.
Maybe it’s time to change the avatar and sig???? Carrington has plenty of promise, but Kelsay looks like a part of a successful scheme right now. For the first time in his career, I’m glad he’s out there, and also think Carrington needs to prove more before he displaces Kelsay. Good to have both ready to play.
The other area of disagreement:
the pass rush continues to stink.
No credit for the two drive-ending sacks? If you are saying Cassell had all day to throw, we watched different games. Not saying there was game changing pressure, but “stink” is not how I’d describe that effort. Maybe “average.”
Try to be informed, not just opinionated.
by Undee on Sep 13, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I do disagree and we must have watched different games....
There was not a ton of pressure on Cassel, but that may have been by design. I don’t know, but Sunday I thought the pass rush was very weak, not that it mattere because Cassel stinks, but it will matter going forward. The team just couldn’t get to Cassel out of a normal rush. The two sacks were from a safety (Bryan Scott) and backup interior lineman (Johnson). There were very few instances of edge pressure, which is going to be critical for this defense. Sure, they’ll have some moments, but overall the pass rush is still a very, very weak part of this team.
If you want to go with sack stats, 2 a game isn’t that great. 32 for the season would barely exceed last year’s pitiful total of 27, and would be in the bottom third of the league.
~K
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by Kurupt on Sep 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Never said “ton of pressure.” Two early drives, when the game was still in the balance, were ended by sacks.
I’ll agree to disagree. Next time I watch it, I’ll focus on the pass rush. But from the first few views, I don’t remember thinking Cassel had too much time to throw.
Consider the game plan must have been to key in on stopping last year’s #1 rushing team with last year’s #32 run D team. That fact makes it hard to call Sunday’s outing any close to “stink.”
Try to be informed, not just opinionated.
I got the impression from Florence’s comments that they didn’t really do much besides vanilla defense because they didn’t need to. They had one goal (stop Charles), and they did that, they stuck with it, and KC couldn’t recover from being down so much so quickly.
I think we’ll see more actual scheming the more they need to.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 13, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
i only watched it live, but if i remember correctly, the whole first half they were lining up in what looked like a run d oriented 4-3 with kelsay-dareus-williams-merriman (tho i couldn’t tell who came in when merriman went out…. was it carrington?)
i get the impression the lack of pass rush was by design to keep gaps filled and charles in check. that’s fine by me.
I wonder how much impact Wannstadt is having so far? It certainly seems as if Gailey is trusting the Stache’s vision and recognition by having him upstairs on game day.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 13, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I saw Kelsay with two crushing hits.....
…. and both were containing on the outside. I heard them both on my TV.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Sep 13, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a 6 win team with the ability if it jumps on opponents when they are down or mistake prone that can sneak 9 wins
But beyond that, we are not quite ready to challenge a team like the Pats, that will take another draft or so for us to do so.
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He looked like a half-step too slow to almost every ball. I think that’s play recognition and experience. The ball skills are there; he had a hand near on on some passes, including the KC TD pass. I think he’s a keeper going forward.
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rec'd
I agree with a lot of this, in fact just about all of it except I think that Jairus Byrd can be a playmaker in the passing game and I think this team has 7 to 10 win potential – and thats not taking this game into account. I think the team has less holes in less places than you do. In essence, I see a winning team that needs to be upgraded on the offensive line. Perhaps I have more faith in Shawne Merriman than you do to stay healthy but I thought it was really impressive and showed off his dedication to making this team a winner that he came back out on the field after getting hurt. His impact may not have been felt in the backfield but the Chiefs took him into account on every snap.
I know that no one wants a defensive Lee Evans but I think that will change when hes healthy.
I could not agree more on the separation Fred Jackson has made with CJ Spiller. Fred is a 30+ back who is getting better every year, he is our Curtis Martin.
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I wouldn’t put much stock into Merrimans lack of play against the Chiefs – same goes for the Raiders. You could see time and time again how he wasn’t rushing the passer he was basically in there holding ground to stop the run. The Bills didn’t respect Cassell and they proabably won’t respect Campbell because they will key in on the run – those teams are run first teams for a reason – they have sub-par QBs and the Bills are going to try and force those QBs to win the game for their respective teams.
by J2 on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
good point J2
and a I think a nice analysis.
Against both the Chiefs and Raiders Shawne Merriman would probably be doing more to help this team win by anchoring to contain the ground game with Charles and McFadden anyway. Lets not forget that Shawne Merriman is a great run defender as well as a pass rusher at his best.
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Lets keep Shawne Away from Nate Solder
WOW did he dominate Cameron Wake or what
I agree with the sentiment we were more focused on stopping the run, but on obvious passing downs I see no reason why the Bills wouldn’t want Merriman going to town if he still can. Not only would it help his ever growing confidence but it would also allow guys like Kyle WIlliams and Marcell Dareus to get in on the pass rush aswell.
For the majority of that game like K said we were pretty vanilla, but I see no reason why buffalo would hold Shawne back regardles sof who the QB is.
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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 14, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
do you think they are holding him back because they fear him reinjuring himself?
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slowly work him in. No need to overwork him in the first game when we went up 21-0 pretty fast.
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Agreed.
Lets unleash him on Brady, hopefully.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Sep 14, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that Jairus Byrd can be a playmaker in the passing game
I think so too, for this reason: when Byrd was playing in a system (Cover 2) that allowed him to make plays on the ball like that, he excelled. Now that he is being called on to make a lot more plays against the run, he is doing well in that also (after putting in a lot of work last season).
The difference between Byrd and Whitner is striking there. Byrd has excelled (in ways) against both the pass and the run, depending on what system he’s played in. Whitner never really excelled in any of the systems he played in, even though that versatility was supposed to be Whitner’s strength.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
very well said, rec'd
another difference I see is that while Whitner got better every year the vastness of Byrd’s improvement in different aspects of his game at such a young age is much more impressive than Whitners gradual, incremental improvement.
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Yah byrd got alot better over the course of last year. Had lots of practice against the run.
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Byrd
I think he can make a play from time to time, but I don’t think he’ll ever get remotely close to his rookie year in terms of turnover production. That’s partially due to the system and partially due to him not being quite as good as a 10 INT season would indicate. I just don’t think he’s above average in that aspect of the game. Even during his rookie year, I thought he was slow to diagnose pass plays and react accordingly. He can certainly be a solid pass defender, but I don’t believe he’s an impact playmaker in that area. I remain confident that he’ll continue being very good against the run….
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by Kurupt on Sep 14, 2011 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m just curious – are there any free safeties out there that routinely put up 8-10 INTs per year?
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by thefourwinds on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for this
I thought I’d take a dump…
You did that on purpose, didn’t you? ;o)
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