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The wave of uncertainty hit Buffalo Bills fans when Chan Gailey hired Dave Wannstedt to his defensive staff this off-season. Adding to the fog was the retention of George Edwards as the team's defensive coordinator. Buffalo intended to play a 3-4 defense heading into 2010. They played a lot of 4-3 during the 2010 season due to personnel issues. Edwards has coached both, while Wannstedt coached 4-3 defenses. GM Buddy Nix stated that Buffalo would continue to draft 3-4 personnel. How would this work?

After the pre-season and a first game, an answer is beginning to formulate. Buffalo isn't playing standard 3-4 or 4-3 fronts. Buffalo's defense looks like Baltimore's defense, which shifts between 3-4 and 4-3 variants without changing personnel. Edwards used to coach for Marvin Lewis, formerly the defensive coordinator for the then-Super Bowl champion Ravens, so the connection between the two defenses should come as no surprise. Add in Wannstedt's expertise, and Buffalo has the schematic brainpower to present offenses with some challenges.

For this story, we're using a standard set of starting Bills defenders. Linebackers are squares and linemen are inverted triangles. The starting nose tackle is Kyle Williams, flanked at end by Marcell Dareus and Dwan Edwards. The linebackers are Shawne Merriman, Chris Kelsay, Nick Barnett and Kirk Morrison. These players are pretty close to the starters, but were selected to show some of the schematic advantages and how these players are being positioned for success.

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Bullough-Fairbanks 30 Front Defense

This is the standard 3-4 defense from the 1980s, used most successfully by Bill Parcells and his coaching tree. Buffalo can play this defense, and does at times, but this set presents some challenges to Buffalo's personnel. Notably, Williams isn't an ideal two-gap nose tackle, and having Barnett take on the left guard all game isn't a great idea. This defense is essentially a "variant" used to keep offenses off balance, despite being a base defensive scheme.

30 Under Front

The "under" in the name describes the defensive line in respect to the strong side of the offensive formation. In and "under" front, the line shifts away from the offensive strong side. For context, the strong side is the tight end side. Here we see Edwards' role essentially unchanged as a five-technique end. Williams shifts to a one-technique nose tackle, ready to burst into the weak side A-gap. Dareus moves away from the offensive tackle into a three-technique, commanding the attention of both the guard and tackle. Kelsay puts his hand on the ground and becomes an end. Morrison remains on the strong side to take on blocks. The advantages here are the positioning of Merriman and Barnett. Merriman is playing in space and free to pursue, while Barnett is covered by Williams and Edwards and free to roam.

30 Over Front

The defensive line has shifted to the strong side in the "over." Edwards and Dareus switch sides, allowing Dareus to play three-technique and Edwards to play five-technique. Kelsay remains in position, but is upright with linebacker responsibilities. Merriman puts his hand on the ground and threatens the left tackle. Morrison and Barnett's roles are unchanged, though the left guard does have some increased ability to get to Barnett in the over front, depending on Dareus' positioning.

Weakside 46

At first glance, there seems to be little difference between the 30 Over and this 46 variant - but the little things count. Here, both ends are playing inside of the offensive tackles and over the offensive B gaps. This keeps the inside linebackers free. Kelsay and Merriman play similar to the 30 Under front. Part of the key is the linebackers. Morrison is less of a 30 Front "Mike" inside linebacker, and more of a true Mike linebacker in a 4-3, while Barnett is playing more like a weakside linebacker, since he's covered by Williams, Dareus, and Kelsay. Morrison and Barnett have the ability to shift more to the strong side and create even more of a 4-3 look, as well.

Strongside 46

Again, this looks very similar to the previous 46 and 30 fronts. The difference here is that Merriman is now playing end with Kelsay at outside linebacker. Edwards and Dareus can flip sides. Most importantly, Morrison and Barnett switched sides. Morrison is again a traditional middle linebacker. The benefit here is the freedom allowed for Barnett. He may have a gap responsibility, but with the guard and tackle occupied, he has the ability to flow to the ball unhindered.

Carrington at Outside Linebacker

Here, Buffalo is playing a similar defense to many of the samples above. Alex Carrington is manning an "outside linebacker" position. In reality, Carrington is playing a wide defensive end that can be seen in most 40 front defenses. His size helps control the tight end, which Buffalo had issues with in 2010. His length also helps the defense control the edge, another 2010 problem spot. As Buffalo acquires more outside edge rusher types, Carrington may move back into a more traditional end position.

Summary
This has been, at best, an overview. There are many more variations of these defenses based on small adjustments in player positioning, as well as player responsibilities. If any of us were privy to Edwards' playbook, it would likely be confusing during a first read. That's the point. Buffalo spent four years lining up in the same spot and doing the same thing while playing a Tampa 2. That works if most of the front seven visits Honolulu each year. For most teams, it doesn't.

Nix is justified in saying that the team will continue to draft for a 3-4 set. Any player that Buffalo drafts that can play in a 3-4 can play in this defense. Not all 4-3 players can. A college 4-3 end that cannot stand up and play outside linebacker doesn't work in this scheme. A shorter, one-gap college defensive tackle probably can't play in this defense. Many smaller college weakside linebackers can't play in this scheme.

Gailey and Edwards, along with Wannstedt, have decided to play a multiple defense. Call it necessity or common sense. As the defense breaks their huddle, the quarterback has to carefully check the defense's alignment and positioning. Pre-snap reads become more difficult, since the defense can do many things from some similar sets. Is this defense going to confuse Tom Brady to an extent that he plays poorly? Not likely. It could confuse a lineman or receiver, for example, for a half-second, and that might be what it takes to get pressure into the quarterback's face. Or stop a run. At a minimum, this defense is a sure upgrade schematically. As Nix continues to add players, this defensive scheme has a chance to be very good.

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Wow.

Difficult stuff to break down for the layman. Thanks for the analysis, DJ.

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Sep 15, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

This is the most informative post I have ever seen on Buffalo Rumblings from a football technique and strategy standpoint.

This is much appreciated. Thanks for the lesson.

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Sep 15, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

DJ

This was great!

I was wondering if you could compare these defensive fronts to traditional 4-3 looks so People on this site can truly identify the difference.

I grew up playing Madden and really got a great feel for how each of these different defenses pla to a certain strength. i know it sounds silly but it’s true.

When I played college ball we didn’t run a standard 4-3 or 3-4. We used alot of safety blitzs and OLB Blitz’s and sometimes only had 2 DL on the field, much like Green bay uses. I think if you could show the main difference between a straight up 4-3 and the different variations of 4-3 compared to 3-4/46 it would go along way towards peoples understanding.

Just a thought.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Also DJ My Man

Could you put to bed the misconception that just because a player has his hand in the dirt he is a DE. More players do this for comfortability. i.e. Alex Carrington is going to play with his hand in the dirt more then a Shawne Merriman because Merriman is more comfortable standing up.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

Merriman might have the responsibility of an end, but might do it standing up. Kelsay might do it from a 3 point stance.

Also, the coaching staff might have each player deliberately in a stance in order to confuse the QB as to which front Buffalo is using.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things I like about this
1) is that it leaves us more flexible as to the types of player we draft. I know we still draft 3-4 type players, but some can serve dual purposes like Carrington has.
2) I feel like there are ebbs and flows in defenses and that you benefit a bit from being contrarian. In this case, we represent a bit of a more difficult scouting challenge than more traditional defenses. Hopefully it helps us.

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by greysquirrel on Sep 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

What I like about it is that adjustments are quick and easy to make. If one formation is being burned constantly by, say, a TE in the flat (ahem) then an adjustment can be made in responsibility without having to bring in different personnel or show a different look. This regime LOVES versatility, and I’m coming around to agreeing with them.

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by stetzwebs on Sep 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This
I feel like there are ebbs and flows in defenses and that you benefit a bit from being contrarian. In this case, we represent a bit of a more difficult scouting challenge than more traditional defenses. Hopefully it helps us

I think that the league is near another ebb (or flow, depending on your point of view). With some many teams playing 30 front, and using the spread formation, I think power football and the 40 front will come back sooner than later. I fear that Belichick is already onto this, shifting to a 4-3 and drafting two tight ends.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think that Belichick’s two TE set is built to destroy 30 fronts and I think that it will start to sweep through the NFL soon. I actually hope Gailey and Nix are drafting and bringing in FAs mainly to stop that attack, as I think it’s not going away anytime soon.

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by stetzwebs on Sep 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Belichick is going to look a lot less brilliant when his uggs wearing QB calls it quits…

But yes, he does seem to be constantly ahead of the curve and seems to have done it again.

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by dnvrBillsfan on Sep 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belichick

I believe what he is doing is going with seldom used or seen formations. Because they are seldom used they instantly become a novelty and force teams to spend an inordinate amount of time preparing for something they will only see occasionally. This puts opponents off balance, giving the Pats offense the ability to dictate play.
While our hybrid defense can certainly adjust to variations in running formations, having the “stache” on our staff allows Buffalo to dedicate a smart defensive innovator to countering the Pats two tight end set. I read a lot of how the stache was preparing for KC prior to the draft, I am anxious to see what he comes up with for the Raiders and the Pats. Part of our teams confidence stems from preparation. The Bills feel they are being given the tools to succeed and our players trust the coaching staff to properly prepare them for the next game. Something that KC and Denver didn’t do well for the first game of the season.
  The Raiders used Max Protect formations several times during their game with Denver. I suspect their pass protections isn’t as robust as they portend it to be. Chan has been emphasizing their size, I think he is doing that so he doesn’t show his hand. Our Defense has a plan for the Raiders!

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by Montel on Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that's a good point

it looked like KC were well prepared for Brad Smith last week, pity for them he only played 5 snaps, but those sort of players/plays can really sidetrack an opponent from accurately preparing for a game. Also I wonder if Parrish’s 0 receptions was on him and Fitz or more because he burned them last game so they watched him carefully last week and lo and behold other players became open.

by Billsdownunder on Sep 15, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up first of all. But is Kirk Morrison starting over Andra Davis?

by DynamicHero22 on Sep 15, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

No he’s not. But you’ll see him play anyway.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should Be!

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morrison was used to specifically show how he can be used

He’s really a 4-3 MLB. But Buffalo can still play him at Mike ILB in their defense, and despite being a 3-4, can place him in positions that look a lot like a 4-3 MLB.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how Andra Davis keeps getting the shaft on Rumblings

A few weeks ago Brian said he was probably going to have a better chance at making the team because Tober was put on IR. A weird statement when he has been a starter since day 1 of the pre season. Now DJ has Kirk Morrison listed in the starting defense over Andra Davis. C’mon guys give him a little love… lol

by crazycoach39 on Sep 15, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

A weird statement when he has been a starter since day 1 of the pre season.

And is now a defensive captain for the team.

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by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Preparation...

Montel makes a great point that I have keyed in on myself…preparation breeding confidence.

Looking at Pre-season the first two games the staff and players stated that they did scheme or game plan much for their opponent. In terms of defense, it was more of a base set that they were using to condition their players and see their basic ability and status.

When the played Jacksonville, I think Fitz noted that they had really worked on some game planning against their opponent. Note the outcome…

Finnally, it comes to the Chiefs. You know Gailey was sub-consiously planning for this one since the game last year, and even if he wasn’t the team was definitely preparing for them for the previous two weeks. They were able to plan and throw a few different looks in early on in the game to challenge their opponent….

I worry a little about getting too complicated with these sets, but as long as the players know their assignments, and remain low on mistakes…then this could really work for us.

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by Rob B on Sep 15, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

meant to say that they didn’t scheme or game plan much for their opponent in the first two preseason games.

I will also add…I think you can just throw out the outcome of the Detroit game.

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by Rob B on Sep 15, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outstanding post!!!!

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by Kobe Won Kenobi on Sep 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

multiple sets

 Just hoping all are square ’s & triangles stay healthy this year.

by rebuild forever on Sep 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Inverted triangles

Gotta hope for the right thing. : )

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post

One question:


A college 4-3 end that cannot stand up and play outside linebacker doesn’t work in this scheme. A shorter, one-gap college defensive tackle probably can’t play in this defense.

Isn’t that basically Chris Kelsay and Kyle Williams? :S

by lord gloom on Sep 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

in that Chris Kelsay is really more of an End than a stand-up linebacker, and has often been criticized on this site as such…

… and that Kyle Williams is, well, a shorter DT who plays the one-gap.

by lord gloom on Sep 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's an exception to every rule

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by Montel on Sep 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA, Well Played!!!!!

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is reference drafting

Williams and Kelsay were already on the team. Plus, both are proven at the pro level. Williams is a Pro Bowler that transcends a lot of traditional wisdom. Retaining Williams is a lot different than drafting the LSU DT Drake Nevis, who doesn’t fit the scheme, but more importantly, hasn’t proven anything at the pro level.

Same for Kelsay, to a lot lesser degree.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is Bryan Scott's Responsibility in our D?

I’d love to get an answer on this.

I’ve read that we’re playing him as hybrid SS/LB, though he does other things as well. What’s the best way to conceptualize his role in our defense?

by Munchausen on Sep 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

When DJ is breaking this down

He is talking about base defense.

When Bryan Scott comes in, we are playing out of a base NICKEL defense, which normally consists of 4DL, 2LB & 5DB (SS and FS included in the 5)

Its all based on personnel.

Is these schemes DJ just mentioned there are 3 DL and 4LB’s on the field, and sometimes our LB’s move to DL and vice versa.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott has been taking the place of LB's in certain sets

Think of one of the 46 sets, with Barnett taking Morrison’s spot, and Scott taking Barnett’s spot. It’s used on some passing downs.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, as Brian mentioned, he has a role in traditional nickel packages, etc.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott is in the nickel package, lined up as an inside linebacker, predominantly next to Barnett.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morrison......

He hardly played week 1, why are you calling him a starter?

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by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/9/14/2424309/bills-41-chiefs-7-bryan-scott-nick-barnett-aaron-williams

according to your own writings,

Morrison only played 2/48 snaps?

How does that qualify as pretty much a starter?

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by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 15, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote the article you linked above, and I did not write the article here.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't write this, Brian did

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

I didn’t look at the byline on this article, the question remains the same DJ. It’s that you should answer it rather than Brian.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did

Read below

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not
These players are pretty close to the starters, but were selected to show some of the schematic advantages and how these players are being positioned for success.

He acknowledges the fact that Morrison is more of a rotational guy (at least at this point), but he’s using him to show how the alignments used can benefit one guy or the other by playing to his strengths.

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by Adam_K on Sep 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam_K said it

It was done for a reason.

Morrison is a 4-3 MLB. He’s being asked to play Mike ILB in a 3-4. That seems like an obvious mismatch of scheme and player. But the way Buffalo plays schemes, it isn’t.

That’s what I tried to show. Which is why I used Morrison.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

great learning post

I learned a lot DJ. Thanks for this useful information. Something we can use on gameday.

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by mrdorn73 on Sep 15, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

People

Lets focus on the outstanding post DJ just wrote, not the players in which he used to describe the defensive packages.

Well Done DJ

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesomely great info. Can you help with breaking down Nickel and Dime too?

Thanks DJ. Is there anyway you can break down which players are in the Nickel and Dime sets and What the DB’s roles are in these looks? Like Scott as ILB on the nickel i bet confused a lot of people. The worst part about watching games on TV is you cant see what the DB’s are doing for most of the game, until a play comes there way. Also it would be interesting to know which lineman stay out there for the nicekl look.

by NHBillzFan on Sep 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I Doubt we will play much Dime this season

We just dont have the personnell. As you saw on Sunday we will play a ton of Nickel.

On Sunday our Nickel consisted of Kelsay/Carrington, Dareus, Williams and Edwards up front with Bryan Scott and Nick Barnett at LB and Williams, McKelvin, Florence, Byrd and Wilson in the secondary.

What we are also likely to see in our nickel is 3 DL with Shawne Merriman playing DE but standing up along with the same back 7

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gailey essentially said we aren’t going to play dime much Sunday, but I think that has more to do with the raiders than our personnel.

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by cjf4 on Sep 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thats kind of the info i was looking for. so our Nickel packages basically uses all of our current DB’s except for Searcy. I would imagine we would play that the majority of the day against NE, but i think the majority of the teams we see we can play the amobea base d that DJ broke down in this piece.

by NHBillzFan on Sep 15, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take a look at the dime and nickel packages

But it may not be possible for me. I see the same game as you. And I don’t live in Buffalo, so going to a game isn’t possible for me.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

can you cook?

i need a gourmet chef tonite….

really hungry….

by simonpure on Sep 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post

kind of points out a couple things a lot of the media has missed when talking about the Bills defense. Neither ‘4-3’ nor ‘3-4’ do a good job of describing the defense we play (and the one point that I disagree with DJ on, I haven’t seen our starters play ‘true’ 3-4 once). To use numbers to describe what the defense actually looks like, ‘5-2’ would be the answer I would give. whether you call them ends or OLBs, 2point stance or 3 point, Kelsay and Merriman are generally going to be on the line of scrimmage or close to it.

This is important because it emphasizes the commitment to the run, and let’s us play a heavier front. But it also is the source of the new defense’s biggest weakness (in my opinion): short passing game. By putting extra players on the line, it makes it much easier to get exploited by the TE, and requires the safeties to really step their game up.

Also, one final note. In the NFL NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE 7 man fronts are what are meant by ‘base’ defenses. Against teams like Kansas City and Oakland that’s true. However, Football Outsiders recently said that nickel defense is now played more often than ‘base’ defenses, especially against teams that like to play spread out like Green Bay, New Orleans, and New England (hmmm, what do they share in common??) So while Nickel defenses aren’t quite as complex, they still are just as important.

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by cjf4 on Sep 15, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Too Add to that

Nickel Defense can be very confusing for zone blitz’s and Safety Blitz’s.

Just because we take our LB’s out of the game doesn’t mean we can’t blitz.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t seen our starters play ‘true’ 3-4 once

I did. I remember exactly one instance of it in KC.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 15, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good points

Couple thoughts:

- Buffalo did play a few Bullough-Fairbanks 30 fronts in pre-season. But your point is well taken. We may not see it a lot.

- Buffalo, as is the case with any 30 front or 46 front, will always have trouble with covering the tight end. It’s a schematic issue that isn’t just true of Buffalo. As the league has gone to 3-4 and pressure 46 defenses, tight ends like Aaron Hernandez and Dustin Keller have become a lot more important for teams to have, simply because these defenses have a hard time covering them.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides just having better coverage LBs, what is the best way, do you think, to mask this limitation for the Bills?

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by stetzwebs on Sep 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either have a great strong safety that is big enough to cover tight ends, or have someone like Lawrence Timmons or Von Miller who can fulfill their duties as pass-rusher/run-stopper and cover a fast tight end.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Buffalo did play a few Bullough-Fairbanks 30 fronts in pre-season. But your point is well taken. We may not see it a lot.

I remember that too, but only with our second teamers. This may be in large part to the fact that we don’t really have a 2 gaping NT in the starting rotation, but it seems more experimental.

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by cjf4 on Sep 15, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

about the TEs beating 3-4 teams in general? the nature of the 3-4 LBers vs the 4-3 LBers ? (rushing the qb vs covering more?)

by dgrid on Sep 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-4 outside linebackers tend to be taller and built to rush the passer. 3-4 insider linebackers tend to be stouter to take on blockers. Very rarely can either do that, and also run well enough with fluid hips to cover tight ends.

Lawrence Timmons is an example. So is Manny Lawson. Von Miller could probably do it as well.

These guys are few and far between. Usually, when found, teams don’t let them go easily.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

- Buffalo, as is the case with any 30 front or 46 front, will always have trouble with covering the tight end. It’s a schematic issue that isn’t just true of Buffalo. As the league has gone to 3-4 and pressure 46 defenses, tight ends like Aaron Hernandez and Dustin Keller have become a lot more important for teams to have, simply because these defenses have a hard time covering them.

For those of you who remember sireric’s post, this (above) is the reason so many Bills fans have been screaming for a better TE. Hopefully we’ve found one in Chandler.

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by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you very much for the write-up DJ

Your post is, as always, very informative and interesting. Thank you.

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by stetzwebs on Sep 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You're welcome

I like writing these. They’re fun and get me away from my master’s program for a while.

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by Der Jaeger on Sep 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah thanks man!

I love these and they helpme to understand the D much better!

by dgrid on Sep 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post DJ… I often reference what I’ve learned from your posts when watching the game and it’s definitely helped me understand defenses.

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by dnvrBillsfan on Sep 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Job

I see may issues with these fronts given the Bills propensity for playing DEnds as OLB. I think the shemes are sound, however, I would prefer to see them use large OLB’s as DEnds. DEnds train their lower bodies differently than an OLB and it tends to tighten their hips and doesn’t make it easy to play in space (turn and open). I think the multiple fronts are excellent and confusing to the the defense, just would rather see them use guys around 270-275 for the OLB position max and that haven’t spent years weight-training as a defensive lineman. A good choice would be a 275lb Danny Batten. Watch him move in space as oppsoed to Chris Kelsay and you will see what I mean immediately.

by Coach Bob on Sep 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That's funny

I interpreted it as you intended and corrected the typo as i was reading it.

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by Montel on Sep 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

outstanding!

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by poz on Sep 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Will there be a test

I need another grease board in here

by freddyjj on Sep 15, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Just save this post to your smartphone

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Sep 15, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, can we Rec this post a lot more to make sure it stays up?

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by thefourwinds on Sep 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Incredibly informative and fun stuff to read. Thank you.

by LeClaire Bill on Sep 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This is exactly why I played in the secondary:)

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by VanScottM on Sep 15, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

This is exactly why i played Fullback :-)

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by gregeng on Sep 16, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

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