Three Young Buffalo Bills Riding Pre-Roster Cut Momentum
by Brian Galliford on Sep 2, 2011 3:15 PM EDT
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PrintIn discussing tomorrow's NFL roster cuts and the Buffalo Bills paring down their roster from 80 players to 53, much of the discourse necessarily focuses on veteran players and the top of the depth chart. There are young faces at the back end of the depth chart, however, that are making waves - even if they're facing long odds to make the team. In our view, the Bills have three such players this year.
WR Kamar Aiken: An afterthought at the outset of camp thanks to the team's receiver depth, Aiken still impressed enough to see ample pre-season playing time - and capitalized with seven receptions for 97 yards. He's the type of big, playmaking receiver the team covets, and looks the part of an NFL-capable wideout.
OLB Robert Eddins: The subject of praise from Chan Gailey earlier this week, the undrafted free agent out of Ball State has consistently made plays during camp and pre-season action. There's enough pass-rushing upside here that some folks believe Eddins has a legitimate chance at making the team outright.
QB/S Josh Nesbitt: A former Gailey recruit at Georgia Tech, Nesbitt is the type of versatile player - in the mold of Brad Smith - that the team loves. Capable of operating the Wildcat as well as playing defensive back and special teams, Nesbitt can be viewed as a poor man's Smith - and may stick in that role.
Are there any young players that you'd add to this list, Bills fans?
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If Batten gets cut I would want him on the PS.
Year two is upon us.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Sep 2, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
no way
does batten get cut. zero chance
by Bestbillieve86 on Sep 2, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can Aiken make it?
With Jones and Parrish dinged up and Gailey saying this: “What we do is we keep the players that we think can help us go win at Kansas City”?
I told u guys about Aiken but no one listen
Keep Aiken cut Donald JONES
Keep Batten and Chris White cut KELSAY and Davis
I agree totally
Keep Aiken…start Batten over Kelsay and drop Davis and keep White on roster
by Bufbills on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aiken
I would be upset if Aiken is cut. In his spectacular reply he clearly showed us what he is: A combination of heart, size, speed, elusiveness and specially love for the jersey. He could immediately bring us a kind of speedy TE on the open field.
IMO Parrish is the guy to say good bye. He doesn’t bring us anything special on table and none has mentioned that on paper… he automatically limits Spiller’s chances to be a kind of RB-slot WR on third downs.
an NFL-capable wideout
Sheesh, could the Bills have more of these all around the same skill level? So many NFL-capable wideouts, so few NFL-capable OLinemen.
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by thefourwinds on Sep 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So many NFL-capable WRs, so few scary, stand-out WRs…
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
WRs are like lotto tickets, the more you have the more likely you win. These look like a decent set of lotto tickets. Nothing wrong with that.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
actually there is a difference. Mathematically, you only need one lotto ticket. Only one is a winner. More tickets do not increase your odds.
Let’s hope more than one of our receivers is a winner :-)
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
More tickets with different numbers increase your odds.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
not football but...
nope… they don’t. That is only true if you “box” the numbers. So, you either buy one or all. Otherwise the odds are the same. There can be multiple tickets sold with the same combination which is why it makes no sense to “box” 6 number lotto drawings. You’d spend $20,358,520 to win for sure and if someone else played the numbers you’d split the jackpot and lose your a$$. Your only hope is be the only winner AND a jackpot of over $20,358,520.
There are 20,358,520 possible combinations of 6 numbers between 1 and 52. If only one ticket is drawn, the odds are 1 in 20,358,520. Having 5 tickets of different numbers does not change those odds. There is only going to be 1 winner.
You may think it’s counter intuitive, but, it’s true.
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
I would like to say this went from off topic to.fing annoying.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
what were the odds of that happening?
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
Haha like tgat one
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you are confusing expected payout with odds of winning. But whatever. The term lottery has either gotten insanely more complicated since grade school or this is just an argumentative thread.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
or both.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
no intention to be argumentative…
Y'all- There's a "D" in rebuild, but no "O"- The gospel according to Buddy Nix 4:12
Okay, we agree on the conclusion, more young options at wideout is a good thing. Go bIlls.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
If you own 5 tickets, there’s a 5/20,358,520 of having the numbers drawn. If you have 1 ticket, the odds are 1/20,358,520. 5/20,358,520 > 1/20,358,520.
I’m not talking about payout, I’m talking about having the 6 numbers that are chosen on one of your tickets.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I would say it kind of did. Roy Williams….nope. Mike Williams….nope. Calvin Johnson….Jackpot!!!!
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Williams….nope
considering what they got out of dallas for him, i would call that one a winner.
also don;t forget charles rogers, he was a huge bust taken real early 1`st round
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by The Buffalo Kid on Sep 3, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
taken before Andre Johnson too
Rogers went 2 Andre went 3 man I bet they wish they could do that one again.
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I'll bet one of them makes the regular roster
There always seems to be at least one UDFA who makes the roster, and my bet for 2011 is Eddins. Aiken has played well, but he has also dropped more passes than one would like (then again, Stevie Johnson and Easley have done the same) and there are just too many good WR’s ahead of him. Nesbitt looks like an excellent PS candidate since we are well-stocked at Safety (the position he has been playing).
One could also say that we are well-stocked at OLB, but if you look closely that’s not really the case. Merriman is there, but also a huge question mark regarding injury. Kelsay is dependable, but not very talented and badly needs to be replaced. Carrington looks promising, but he also has DE responsibilities and is too heavy to play every down. Batten looks like the real thing, but Coleman, while improved from last year, may not have that much upside. So keeping a young OLB whose talent has plainly caught Chan Gailey’s attention and who could save the team a high draft pick next year might be a very smart move
by Macktruck on Sep 2, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I really like what Coleman has done, especially given he is often out there earlier in the game. As to his ceiling, yeah I dont know. He seems less likely to make it to the practice squad given what he has shown he can do now. Whereas Eddins is a popular, but probably not all that covetted a UDFA who we can bring up if need be.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
Zach Pianalto Anyone?
Admittedly the Bills have had problems with their tight ends. The Bills seem to have a competent starter in Scott Chandler, but no one emerged, in my opinion, as the #2 or #3 tight end. Personally I like Caussin for the #2 and if Gailey takes a third I’d take Pianalto or at the very least put him on the practice squad. Pianalto caught 6 passes for 59 yards in the final three games as a reserve TE which is more yardage than what Shawn Nelson and David Martin had together last season (10 for 68 yards and 1 TD).
Ota’s.really hurt alot of udfa. Zach might of made team if we had them . I definitly see ps though
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I watched Pianalto fairly closely during the first half of yesterdays game and the Jaguars game. He looks comfortable on the field. He is fluid and savvy in the pass game. He appears to understand where he is supposed to be and how to find the soft spots in zone coverage. He is not very powerful as an in line blocker but shows good athleticism and real efficiency in walling his man off on plays that sre run to the other side of the formation. He just looks like he belongs on the field to me.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 2, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Caussin got a lot of looks last night.
He made some nice catches too. I wonder why he never gets put in the discussion. He looks better than Martin… Although I realize Martin is the “blocking” TE.
not a fan of caussin
I think he’s kinda slow and not very strong – he did have some catches last night but couldn’t even rack up any YAC against little corners
by JustAskTheAxis on Sep 2, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
id make a strong effort to hang onto both aiken and eddins. surprising raw talent in both of those guys.
id definitely like nesbitt to stick around because of his amazing athleticism but id have a hard time finding a roster spot for him.
any of these 3 that gets cut and clears waivers should be on the practice squad
Kellen Heard
Almost as big as Michael Jasper, but looked much more like he belongs at this level. I’m expecting him to get a spot.
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Kellen Heard is aone BIG and mobile DE
He did a great job at DE in the first half last night. I have not yet watched the second half. I expect to see Heard become a starter by the end of next season. He is huge and quick and has good hands. I have been very surprised by his play. He is a real diamond in the rough. It is likely we will see times when our front will be Heard and Dareus at DE with Williams at NT and Carrington at OLB, effectively making Dareus and Williams tackles and Carrington and Heard ends. That is a massive 4 man front.
by WhatGoesAround on Sep 2, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Nesbitt makes it.
Like you said, Nesbitt is a poor man’s Brad Smith. Although this isn’t usually the case, we aren’t the poor man; we have Brad Smith. We can’t really use two roster spots for two players who do the same (and sorta uncommon) thing.
They can do it if he were on the practice squad anyway
Any NFL team could legitimately sign him away from Buffalo’s practice squad if they were to put him on their 53 man roster. The only way to secure a player is to have them on your 53 man roster or offer them the same or a better contract and have them choose to stay with you.
by Edward Reisinger on Sep 3, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he makes it to the PS
because of his relationship with Chan and he show flashes the few times he was on the field. I think he would be a good back up running back too. And didn’t he play a bit of safety (somewhat decently) the other night? I think he is well worth the spot as he is also a 2 way player.
if eddins can get to QBs i say we keep him, the other guys sound talented but dont give us anything we’ve sorely lacked. we need capable pass rushers beyond merriman and they dont exactly grow on trees
by snakebyte18 on Sep 2, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have
a feeling if Aiken goes to the PS he’ll be called up by week ten, the same maybe said for Eddins!! Love the UDFAs we find!! Even w/the lockout these guys showed they can play w/the big boys!!
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by brendar of the bills people on Sep 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
What Is Needed Is A Little Extreme Thinking
Here’s a little out of the box approach in order to insure we’re able to keep the players with the highest ceiling. We go with 1 TE. Hangartner becomes our blocking TE while justifying his higher salary. Pianalto easily clears waivers and makes our PS. We keep Nesbitt by cutting Scott and Corto. We keep Eddins and C White by unfortunately cutting moats (whatgoesaround’s suggested it first and it made sense) and going thin on the O-Line 3 backups including Hangartner. That leaves room to also keep Heard.
Your welcome Chan.
i think a ton of bills fans would go crazy if they cut moats
by Bestbillieve86 on Sep 2, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did this idea of having Hang be a TE come from? Does that make any sense? Can he catch at all? If he can’t catch at all, I don’t see the point in just having a 6th blocker on the field. It’s not going to fool any defense.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
i really like this Eddins guy!
but i dont see a way to him make the roster. Only if Kelsey is cut, but i don’t think they will do that.
just watching
Baylor-TCU game. Robert Griffin III as our QB of the future anyone? The guy is a beast.
I like him but only a junior might have to wait till next year. His play makes baylor alot better.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think if he keep playing like that
all year, he will be in Heisman conversation and will declare for the draft. I don’t see us with the first ovrl pick to draft Luck, maybe we can draft Griffin in the top 15
by Fernando brazil on Sep 2, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He is considered a long shot but if he keeps playing like this will be in the conversation for sure. He is defintly on my to watch list.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im wary on using top picks on qb&’s. The guy has to be some kinda special. Luck is good but griffin I like better and we could potentially grab him in 2nd rnd if hes there.
by Feedjasper on Sep 2, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he plays like this all season he should go in first and I want a major qb investment next draft.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
did u see his final numbers?
pass
21/27 359 yards 5TDs 0 Ints
rush
10 carries 38 yards 1 fumble lost
rec
1 rec 15 yards first down on game winning drive.
This guy has a strong arm and always scramble with his eyes down the field. Have a good accuracy and sounds to me like the perfect QB project to work under Gailey. If we draft him next year i will be very happy.
by Fernando brazil on Sep 3, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Its one game I like him just saying if you think he is franchise material pick him with your first pick you do not wait till second round is all.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 3, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For me watching a college QB doesn't really depend on the numbers
I look at the type of throws he’s making and I didn’t see a whole lot of NFL throws from RG3. Throwing a great deep ball sure looks good, but that’s not going to make you a good/great NFL QB because you won’t get a perfect pocket, 1-1 coverage, and a receiver a step ahead of the DB very often in the NFL.
I’m looking for accuracy and arm strength on 10-15 yard passes to the sidelines, reading the coverage/decision making, accuracy when the pocket breaks down and intangibles. I saw good intangibles and a good deep ball from RG3, but I didn’t see the other things that I think are important for success in the league. He’s a guy to keep an eye on, but I’m not even close to sold on him.
by billsfan4life on Sep 3, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Their offense does not use many 10-15 yard routes. They run screens and short passes .to draw you in then throw a deep ball. His ball placement was good and on the 10-15 yarders they did have had what you were looking for.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 3, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And he did pretty well when the pocket broke down looked up feild read coverage made a decision.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Sep 3, 2011 8:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't sleep on
Russell Wilson
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
If there was ever a Doug Flutie clone running around in college football
it’s Wilson. And i’m talking about young Flutie, not dead armed Buffalo Flutie.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Im stil a bit upset elzy was cut so fast.. I thought that kid could be a game changer. I dont see that title attached to the players attached in this post. Whatgoesaround mentioned earlier that Heard is a solid and improvable end. I agree with that and see him making the roster over these guys.
by Feedjasper on Sep 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
liked him better than Hall too.
another J.Bell IMO, really wish we would of had OTAs so some of these guys were given the kind of chance they needed to prove what they had.
the 3 players mentioned and the TE
Pianalto all have a chance for PS. I think Caussen has a real chance at a roster spot. I could see them dropping Martin and Nelson. I actually hope they keep 2 on the PS and have 2 on the roster (Chandler and Caussen).
Heard makes the roster, Jasper also PS’d, Aiken has stepped up nicely but we have enough competition at wr right now or I would put him on the roster too.
To me the biggest questions come at LB. White PS is about the only clear choice I can see. I wonder how many they will actually keep.
winning
Please, no matter who you keep, just build a winning team! Woodja!?! Just for S&G!?! Better yet, do it for the fans!!!!!!
Haven't seen any of the preseason games...
Just been catching some highlights, but how much did Nesbitt play this preseason? Has anyone seen him in practice? I haven’t heard too much about him, other than a handful of plays.
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Really like the 1st two
The Italian TE would be 3rd, followed by Nesbitt. (UFA’s)
1 makes the roster & the other 3 to the PS.
The PSquad is actually very important this yr due to the short prep schedule. It will provide the opportunity to snag other young players that dont make the final roster of some of the stronger teams that normally might not slip thru the cracks. Could be very active for a bit of time.
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