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Buffalo Bills Have Had Ample Help During 3-0 Start

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Far be it from me to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just as happy as any other Buffalo Bills fan that the team has ended a 15-game losing streak to the New England Patriots and put up huge offensive numbers during a 3-0 start to the 2011 season. I'm enjoying the ride, too. I'm a firm believer in perspective, however - and before fans start dreaming of the playoffs, it's important to note that the Bills have had a lot of help in these first three games.

First of all, you don't need me to tell you that the team can't continue to dig itself out of early holes. The Bills are the first team in NFL history to overcome leads of 18 or more points and win in consecutive weeks. Clearly, that's a trend that needs to end, and as quickly as possible. They've got to be sharper in the first half.

More to the point, the Bills have had a lot of circumstantial help in these first three weeks. Some of it can still be attributed to strong play from the team - their plus-5 turnover margin, for instance, ranks second in the NFL, and are plays that the team has to make offensively and defensively - but let's not pretend that Tom Brady's four-interception hiccup didn't play a huge role in Buffalo's upset win Sunday.

Add in penalties and injuries, and the Bills have had a lot fall their way so far this year.

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The Kansas City Chiefs only committed one penalty against Buffalo in Week 1, but their team performed so poorly that it hardly mattered. The Bills were able to overcome plenty of mistakes in their last two games in large part because the Oakland Raiders and Patriots combined for 16 penalties, with each team committing eight.

Right now, the Bills have converted 10 first downs thanks to penalties by opponents. That total is the second-highest in the league, behind Denver's 11 (and tied with San Diego), and it's also worth noting that only seven teams have gotten seven or more first downs in this fashion. The Bills have had a lot of help moving the ball - not that they weren't capable of it themselves, of course - headlined by a two-play, 95-yard touchdown drive against New England. The Patriots committed roughing the passer and defensive pass interference penalties on that drive.

Buffalo's opponents have also been unusually unhealthy for their games, particularly considering it's so early in the season. Take a look at the players that the Bills haven't had to deal with on Sundays this year:

Meanwhile, the Bills have missed players here and there, but for the most part have remained healthy. Knock on wood - hard and often - that the Bills' trend of general health continues. In recent seasons, it's been the Bills that have been bloodied and battered on game days, not their opponents.

I'll re-iterate, lest y'all start yelling at me: I am not mentioning any of this to rain on anyone's parade. The Bills have achieved quite a bit this year, and as I said earlier this morning, the catharsis of yesterday's win is something that Bills fans should revel in for as long as possible. There are 13 games remaining this season, starting with next week in Cincinnati. The team has to get better, because circumstances will not always favor the Bills this strongly. They've had help to get where they are. Now they need to get better to stay where they are.

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The Bills were able to overcome plenty of mistakes in their last two games in large part because the Oakland Raiders and Patriots combined for 16 penalties, with each team committing eight.

It could be stated that the Bills relentless offense in the second half of those games caused the Raiders and Pats to take too many damaging penalties.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Sep 26, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, it could. Which is why, circumstantially, the only advantage completely out of Buffalo’s control is the injury situation. But again, let’s not pretend that these miscues haven’t helped.

Editor-in-Chief, BUFFALO RUMBLINGS®
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by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed,

those miscues helped alot, its feel good to be lucky…

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Sep 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miscues are a part of every game. And capatalizing on them is what good teams do. The Bills have taken advatage of everything thrown at them. Brady’s picks werent all arrid throws. We made nice plays to get the ball. Dareus block, George Wilson baiting Brady… It all plays a part. Every big throw involves a corner getting beat some how, so i think its unfair to say that the chips have fallen especially in line for the Bills.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Sep 26, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides injuries. See Cedric Benson and Michael Vick looking like they will be out.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Sep 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, no argument.

This isn’t a “this is why the Bills are winning” article, folks. It’s a “the Bills won’t always have these advantages” article. Take it for what it’s worth.

Editor-in-Chief, BUFFALO RUMBLINGS®
@BrianGalliford

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand. i just read the article as the Bills are getting a lot of luck in these games. Where i see it as the Bills are forcing and capatilizing on miscues. I might be a little “big win” starved and fight off anyone who wants to take a chunk out of this victory meat, but I really think they are performing extremely well; especially late in games.

Shun the non Billievers!

by Superduff on Sep 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really is just the other side of the coin for the Bills this year. The stuff that used to happen TO the Bills, is now happening FOR the Bills. I think it’s just the law of averages. Sure, in the weeks ahead the Bills will have problems if the defense doesn’t tighten the screws. I just think the Bills are due some things going their way. Also, the alien once occupying Kurt Warner must have moved to a new host – Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the way the game is for all teams...goes both ways and always had for every franchise.

Same for Kelly, Thurman, and Reed and the glory years as well…

Buffalo Bills or Die.

by FergusVI on Sep 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect article for a day like today. No one should let this quell any excitement from being 3-0 and just beating New England. No one should forget the two comebacks…an NFL first.

But it isn’t time to get ahead of ourselves. Enjoy the moment. But don’t start talking about playoffs yet.

Try to be informed, not just opinionated.

by Undee on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought it wasn’t an NFL first. It hadn’t been done since the AAFC merger in 1950 but it wasn’t a first.

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England

by Calvert on Sep 26, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

From an NFL press release sent out last night:

The Buffalo Bills erased a 21-0 deficit to defeat New England 34-31. Last week, the Bills recorded a 38-35 win over Oakland after trailing 21-3. Buffalo is the first team in NFL history to win consecutive games in which it trailed by at least 18 points in each contest.

Editor-in-Chief, BUFFALO RUMBLINGS®
@BrianGalliford

by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

I think the early reports were from Stats, Inc. which reported that it hadn’t been done since 1950, because that’s as far as the research had gone. It was a good enough story and they could poke around through the old archives later.

by silvermike on Sep 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article. I’m equally as skeptical of this team. It’s fun watching them win, but there’s no resounding evidence that proves to me that this team isn’t a few lucky bounces from being 1-2, not 3-0.

by paull on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

That can be said for most teams… As Sean Peyton said this week.. There’s no luck, hard work and preparation and those good things will go your way

by jesterz21c on Sep 26, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Thats the story of an nfl season we were 8 plays from being 8-8.last year.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Sep 26, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bought time things broke our way – it’s not like these guys haven’t been working hard – even under Jauron. I think it helps that they have stocked up on guys that are big and quick – a combination Jauron didn’t think was possible.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup far and away a better team.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thats suppose to.say yup we are

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Sep 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

While true they need to continue to improve, previous years we couldn’t take advantage of those type of things. Good teams do, and the bills finally are. Besides, it’s the opponents fault if they don’t have good backups or they make mental mistakes.. It shouldn’t cheapen what the bills have accomplished. They do need to continue to improve though…

by jesterz21c on Sep 26, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree 100% with the premise but….

Penalties – i’ve seen more than a few penalties that were because of how good the Bills were playing. I’ve seen Stevie and Donald have PI calls because they beat the defender and the defender did that to save a TD. So while the penalties have occurred – Buffalo has caused teams to penalize us because we’re beating them – which is very good.

Health – over years i’ve heard plenty of people comment on how injury can ruin a team – and while true – the fact that the Bills are one of the biggest teams in the league we are able to impose ourselves on teams so hopefully, in theory, we’ll continue to have minimal injuries.

However, while the Pats and Raiders have had injuries the Pats defense has been more than suspect since last year and the Raiders rely on their run game more than their pass game. These are excuses but I wonder outside of Hernandez and maybe Chung i’m not sure how much the other teams injuries have hurt them to the extent that it would change the outcome of the games.

You have to be good to be lucky and you have to be lucky to be good. I think the best thing about this so far is that we do have a ton to work on. Hopefully that will keep them focused because they all should know that they aren’t there yet.

11 years of losing has taught me just a smidge of humility. - k8

by J2 on Sep 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully that will keep them focused because they all should know that they aren’t there yet.

If the post game interviews from Chan, Fred, and Fitz give an indication, it appears they DO know there’s tons of work to do.

On top of that (like Chan said,) now they need to learn how to deal with prosperity.

Try to be informed, not just opinionated.

by Undee on Sep 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

All great points. Particuarly the penalties. Penalties can be as much about the other teams failings as you putting them in a position to commit a penalty. At least on a number of our PI calls, we’ve done that. Even Nelson’s yesterday was earned in that Nelson tried to fight back to the ball.

I have low expectations. But high hopes.

by greysquirrel on Sep 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, we’ve had our share of penalties, especially yesterday.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

New England has many more, for more yardage. It is odd for NE to be undisciplined. It was good to see Belichick and Brady start to come unglued a little.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills had 9 penalties for 77 yards, the Pats had 8 for 93 yards…the only difference was the yardage from the one pass interference call that Stevie caused.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant for the season

Especially for the Pats, they are having an undisciplined year so far…

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

My father always says

I’d rather be lucky then good anyday

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm on cloud 9 right now...

but I still don’t believe this Bills team is playoff bound or playoff ready quite yet. I think they can continue to build upon what they’ve started this season, and could very well be a playoff contender. However, I’m not ready to say this team is a top 10 football team, despite our best record in the AFC!!!

by Sluss88 on Sep 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t say we’re the best team either, but it seems every NFL team this year is quite flawed. Our schedule is quite forgiving this year too. I also see a marked difference in this team vs the 2008 team that went from 6-1 to finish 7-9.

The defense here needs some work, but has generally been much improved vs. the run, and 4 picks on Tom Brady, pretty good. Some plays it looked like they only left 2-3 guys up front and put the rest into coverage – smart. Also they had constant movement in the defensixe back field – guys coming up, dropping back randomly. Nice stuff. Much better than the vanilla Cover 2 stuff Jauron through out there – it works if you have exactly the right players – which we didn’t.

The offensive play design this year is outstanding – and it’s amazing how good the top receivers hands are. Especially Johnson, Nelson, and Chandler. Jones does a lot of the other things that were missing from Lee Evans – namely playing defense when the play goes bad. Sure, these Bills won’t put up 30+ every game, but the red zone production and the turnover margin are a good forecast of a bright future. IF the Bills play out the season and finish 8-8, at least they’ve shaken the New England monkey off their back, and it should be a wild, entertaining rider – no more 6-0, 6-3 losses to the Browns!

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are what your record says you are!

So right now we are the best team in the AFC. Granted there are still 13 games to go! But, I do Billieve in this team, and they Billieve in themselves and I think they can achieve some very good things this year. Did I just use the made up word Billieve three times?

by buffaloparks on Sep 27, 2011 2:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stuff happens man, just glad less of it is happening to the bills right now. Yes, its true, if any team plays a perfect game and doesn’t have any injuries, they will probably win. I know the point is a larger one but BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Smiley face

by garcia76 on Sep 26, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

We can't overlook The Bengals

And I like how you mentioned the Bengals and not the Eagles.

The Bengals have what looks to be a very very good defence. And when your team is playing with a rookie QB (as we all know) Your d has to be good if you want to win any games. But just because we are 3-0 we cannot start thinking games are already won before we play them,.

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by PaullyPforPrez on Sep 26, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ponder this for a moment

Cincinnati is a trap game for Buffalo.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft a Quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Sep 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

And Vegas knows it by setting the line at Buff -3. They are begging the public to take the Bills. That is scarry.

by Berg79 on Sep 26, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well then I shall accept their plea

and will indeed take the Bills

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Sep 26, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

living in nv

makes me wonder…

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5.

by silverstreak3k on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s interesting. It can change the closer we get to Sunday.

Try to be informed, not just opinionated.

by Undee on Sep 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct it can change but I was very surprised it didn’t open at 4.5.

by Berg79 on Sep 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

the line

Exactly. I fell for the same trap yesterday with the Jets. I knew it was a trap going in and still couldn’t help myself. Vegas isn’t right every time, i told myself; Oakland will never move the ball on New York. There’s a reason those casinos are out there in the middle of the desert.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 26, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yup. The Bills/Pats were set at 9 all week and then the sharps pounded the Bills at +9 moving the line to 7. The public was all over the Pats. This week the Bills are -3 and the public will pound the Bills. It will be interesting to see how the sharps react.

No matter what Cinci is the correct side from a betting standpoint.

Whenever Vegas begs the public to take one side you are best going against the grain. It isn’t perfect but the odds will play to your advantage.

by Berg79 on Sep 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every weaker opponett is a trap game. With.the team going. 4-12.last year I doubt they get complacent.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Sep 26, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

3-0

Some of these points are valid, some not as much, but the long and the short of it boils down to by virtue of their 3-0 start, they can probably make the playoffs by going 7-6 the rest of the way. The actual 3-0 record is more significant in projecting where this team can go this year than the sum of the circumstances outlined above. While 2008 is obviously fresh in all minds, there’s a reason it was such a jarring experience- it was a remarkably spectacular collapse that happens two or three times a decade. The stats are clear as day- the chances of seeing a Bills playoff game in January are above 50% now.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

These are the type of comments that stick in my mind to the point where I will go back in the archives to find it. The chances of seeing a Bills playoff game is not an actual number. It is a number, however, that I could do without seeing speculated.

Try to be informed, not just opinionated.

by Undee on Sep 26, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure is a number

Teams that start the season at 3-0 make the playoffs more often than not since the merger. That’s 45 years of data- a sample size that’s carries weight. Actually, i saw the stat at closer to 60%.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 26, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. I’ll go with that as a valid stat. I personally don’t think it’s worth banking on, but do see where you are taking that number from.

Try to be informed, not just opinionated.

by Undee on Sep 26, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

76% of the teams who start 3-0 have made the playoffs.

by Berg79 on Sep 26, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

even better.

"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix

by Port Royal on Sep 26, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 Bills

One of the 24%

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Sep 26, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So, what are the chances of one team not making the playoffs after going 3-0 twice?

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

24%

Statistics don’t work like that. Dice have no memory.

Still, the fact that this team has quite a few people on it from then does tell me they’ll be guarding against it a lot more.

"Why so serious?... so raise your glass if you are wrong/in all the right ways..." -- P!nk

by Orlando John on Sep 26, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dice have no memory, so the chances of rolling a 1 are 1/6, the chances of rolling a 1 twice are 1/36, etc.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is...

I saw 2008 coming from a mile away. Those Bills had beaten one legitimate team in San Diego; a team known for regular season mediocrity, and had a slate of AFC east games looming with the Jets and Pats breathing down their necks and the slimmest of margins for error.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention no one can possibly mistake what we’ve seen this year vs. 2008. I think that involved a come from behind against the Raiders too, and a beatdown of the KC Chiefs. For one, this year’s 3-0 includes a win over the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS, and just watching the offense, there are too many decent producers to hold them all down at once, and Gailey uses motion (I think motion made Jauron seasick) and has the receivers set picks, and thinks about things like using Spiller as a decoy. I think there is less luck involved in the Bills offensive production than preparation and skill. The defense may be lucky, but there was more indirect pressure on Brady in the second half than I think people give the Bills credit for. There were at least a couple of throws where Brady had to throw awkwardly due to late pressure. It’s better than the Dolphins and Chargers were able to do by any means.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully only once in a decade....

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5.

by silverstreak3k on Sep 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries

I hope we continue to get lucky. I’ll will be thrilled if Benson is suspended for next week and Vick is out for week 5. I’ll take all the injury luck we can get. We sure have been on the other side of that for many years. However, there is no dispute we caught all three teams which significant injury issues. Don’t forget Moeaki got hurt the week before our week 1 matchup with the Chiefs too and Berry got hurt in the first drive.

On the penalty issue…I think it has been relatively even. We have had plenty of calls go against us. A clipping call against Wood which killed a drive (which was questionable), a 15 yarder on Byrd which was questionable. Other than an absurd PI call on the Pats which eliminated a Fitz INT I think we have been even on the penalty advantage.

by Berg79 on Sep 26, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the call on Byrd was beyond questionable; borderline absurd. Welker caught the ball, pulled it in then leaned forward and braced for the hit. It was great timing from Byrd and he shouldn’t have been penalized, in my opinion.

by Morningw00d on Sep 26, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

PI call

If you rewatch it a second before the ball camera got them in view the Pats player (sorry forgot who) definitely had a hold of his jersey. I think that was one of the better calls. What most saw was after he let go and just stood in the way, but to get him out of the play he had to grab him.

by IiiIIIiiIiI on Sep 26, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I discount the injuries to the Raiders WR corp.

It’s not like they could have passed for more yards on us. Btw, we could have really used T McGee back there.

GO BLUE!!!

by Kumario! on Sep 26, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, that was addition by subtraction, it seems. That rookie Moore is legit.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Sep 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the matter Brian?

A bit nervous about your 6 – 10 prediction?
The penalties they have called on our wrs are because they are putting good moves on Dbs.

by rick p on Sep 26, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Brain lays a lot of stuff out there...

but he also provides us with a LOT of decent fodder to read and comment on. I think a lot of people felt that way about the Bills early on. Keep up the good work Brian!

"I’ve been big ever since I was little." William "The Refrigerator" Perry

by mrdorn73 on Sep 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d only be nervous about a 6-10 prediction if I thought they were going to fall short of it, not exceed it.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

as if any of us

want the bills to do worse than they are…..

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5.

by silverstreak3k on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think Brian is nervous about anything. Just refusing to take the bait, if one believes the Bills are just that. A 6-10 prediction from a team that displayed ample improvement last season was just a safe pick, devoid of any optimism. Which is pretty much what you would expect from Brian or any journalist for that matter.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please.

Injuries and penalties are apart of the game. Always have been always will be. Besides, it isnt like the Bills havent been on the receiving end of penalties, turnovers or injuries themselves; this season or seasons prior.

What is far more important, in the grand scheme of things, is the Bills ability to move the ball and punch it in for 7 rather than 3. A wise man once told me, that luck is when preparation meets opportunity. The Bills’ ability to capitilize on their opponents mistakes is far more indicative of the progress they have made over the last 2 season in comparison to the Bills of the 2000s. Its what good teams do.

The Bills of the 2000s dont open a season pouncing on a Chiefs team in disarray, dont convert the 4th down pass to Jones or find Chandler in the endzone against the Raiders, and crumble against the Pats and a 21 point deficit. This team is prepared to pounce on every opportunity theyre presented with. Its what good teams do.

Playoffs? Playoff teams can CREATE theyre own opportunities with either consistent offensive production or defensive stops; the best can do both. The Bills at the very least can move the ball. Whether they can do the same defensively… only time will tell over the course of the season.

I’ll tell you one thing, if you didnt think the Bills had 8 win talent coming into the season. Something was terribly wrong with you.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

injuries

If we were using the injury excuse because we lost we should let other teams use it as well… what’s good for the goose is good for the gander

by IiiIIIiiIiI on Sep 26, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always just used our porous defense and terrible offense as excuses for not winning.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It great that the Bills are 3-0, it's also great there is plenty of room for improvement.

The Team knows this. They are not yet where they want to be both Offensively and Defensively. There IS room for improvement and that is good to understand because that means this team is only going to get better and better.

Keep fight’n Buffalo! Lets get after those Bengals!!!

by Dareurush! on Sep 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Sullivan, is that you? (just kidding, Brian :-) )

by BuffaloBeliever on Sep 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

on how good are the bills?I think about the close games last year and the 2 beat downs from the jets, They have drive and focus this year because of it .A ton more polished than last year ,thank you Chan.
The defence is responding to what is being asked of them, not always as much as I wish but it says alot about what type of players that have been brought in.
Two more years of Nix and Chan and just maybe ten years of great football. Lots of work yet ,personally I think we can make the playoffs if healthy.

by billfan on Sep 26, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

4-12 last year, with losses to 4 eventual playoff teams by a field goal; 3 of which went to OT. Add on the five point loss to Miami and there was very little improvement needed to at the very least become a middle of the pack team.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Y'all"?

I know they’re regionalizing the Bills, Brian, but that’s a bit much!

by T McGee on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha ha!

And I thought the proper pluralism would be “all y’all” anyway!

by buffaloparks on Sep 27, 2011 2:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Winning teams

Take advantage of the other team’s mistakes, health issues, penalties, and turn overs. They get lucky, stay healthy, limit mistakes and penalties. This team has done that so far. The last 10 years of teams were the ones getting hurt, making costly mistakes and dumb penalties, and having the other team get lucky.

 All I’m saying is to make the playoffs, you need everything on your side. Let’s hope the trend from the first 3 games continues…

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Sep 26, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Turnovers

One thing that should be pointed out (I don’t think I’ve seen it yet) is how productive we’ve been off of turnovers. Correct if I’m wrong, but I think it was 17 points against the Pats?

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by PozDispenser on Sep 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

24 I believe!

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by poz on Sep 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the nfl crap happens.

Good teams take advantage of what us given to them. If its an injury or a penalty. Go back and look at winning teams and you.tend to realize good things happen to good teams.

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by matthew62 on Sep 26, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I would bet Chan & his charges would be the first to agree with Brian on all points

Nice thing about the post-game comments yesterday was no bragging, no excessive exuberance because of this win. Everyone said it was a great win, everyone said it was nice to be 3-0, everyone acknowledged that it was just one game and there’s a lot to be worked on.

As several commenters said yesterday, the biggest difference between this year’s Bills and last year’s Bills is attitude — and the team’s work ethic (and unwillingness to give up in two straight games and stress that they have lots of room to improve) may be the thing that has me even happier than the 3-0 record right now.

by West of the Cascades on Sep 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

before fans start dreaming of the playoffs…

I’m not saying it’s an absolute sure thing but 3-0 teams make the post-season 75.9% of the time since the playoffs expanded to 12 teams in 1990. The numbers prove that the playoffs are a reality. The ones that are dreaming are those that say we don’t have a chance…

by jedobeebe82 on Sep 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Also you should have added to the chiefs thing that the Bills didn’t have to face a Pro Bowl strong safety for most of the game, after he left with an injury.

by JMP on Sep 26, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

HELP

The only help the bills had came from the bills D

by justin1 on Sep 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

true...Glad Dareus put his Big Head and arm up to deflect the ball

off his helmet to florence…..was sweet.

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by FergusVI on Sep 26, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most fans understand that if the Bills played those 3 teams 10 times each they’d end up with a pretty wide range of results. The Pats especially would be a tall order to keep on beating and I doubt anyone thinks the Bills are better. But in terms of making the playoffs, regardless of how much help they’ve gotten so far, they’ve ended up in a good position with a lot of confidence going forward.

Only quibble here would be mentioning all the help the Bills got against the Pats and not mentioning that the Pats got a large amount of help earlier as well — on some very questionable calls and non-calls.

by paxon on Sep 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Also two INTs that (for all intents and purposes) weren’t Fitz’s fault.

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by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valid points Brian but...

The Bills certainly have had their fair share of good breaks so far this season. However, it’s important to remember that they also had some bad breaks early on in the OAK and NE games yet showed the character to overcome them. I agree that 3-0 does not automatically put the Bills into the playoffs—‘08 showed that. But if the team can continue putting in a solid effort, the coaching staff continues putting together good game plans and makes the right adjustments then I see every reason for Bills fans to be optimistic. Are the Bills going 16-0 or winning the Super Bowl? Probably not. In the same breath, if they continue putting in the effort week after week either could be possible. For now, I’m personally happy the Bills are 3-0 and will continue taking things week by week.

by jcey on Sep 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Its interesting we had one of the largest lines in the league a few years ago with Dockery and Walker but we couldn’t get a thing done in the running and passing game. I wonder why? Maybe I answered my own question.

by telka on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at Minnesota

They are a few bounces from being 3-0. Instead they are 0-3. I have seen it said so many times. Good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. For example you see tipped balls all the time but what you don’t see is someone like Scott making a nearly miraculous int. You could make a strong case for all of the turnovers.

My only skepticism comes from being down this road before only to end up 7-9. The Pats streak had to end some time even if the Bills continued to suck. So this is not a “the Bills are for real” moment for me yet but it is a huge step.

Besides my personal opinion is NE is on the way out finally, (I would like to note this is the first time I have said this since the dynasty began) they have a very soft defense that can be exploited to the tune of 30+ by any decent offensive football team. Can Brady put up them kind of numbers? Sure but can he do it week in and week out, probably not. This is not to say I think the Bills are better than they are, quite the opposite in my mind still, but they are not the unbeatable team of a few years ago either. I can also not deny the Bills are on the rise!

Injuries are very common this year, the lockout is still with us in spirit at least. I saw posted above that the Bills size may have something to do with their lack of injuries and I believe this is absolutely true. It can also be said that they learned from the past several years and have taken all possible steps to avoid another injury plagued season.

GO BILLS!!!

by IiiIIIiiIiI on Sep 26, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

On theyre way out from what?

Playoff contention? As long as Brady is as deadly as he is and the scheme as potent as Brady, the Pats will be playoff contenders for a good while. Manning had shown for years what an elite QB and great scheme can do to overcome a porous defense. The only way the Pats start moving backwards is Bill leaving, because of lack of belief in his personnel moving forward or lack of drive.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

traitors?

Me thinks somtimes that Mr Brian Galliford and Buffalo News’ Jerry Sullivan are in fact impostors from Pats Pulpit. The common idea: the Bills suck, we only lose and if we win its because we got lucky. Lets all try and stay pro bills or as Peter King of SI says have a ‘glass is half full’ view of our guys. The rest of the league/world is constantly bashing our team and putting us down, lets look on the brighter side of things for once shall we?

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by captainStros on Sep 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

These types of comments are why Sullivan is perceived as negative. You’ve missed the entire point of what I wrote. And this is one article of several that I’ve written today; the others were all glowing. Sheesh.

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by Brian Galliford on Sep 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think it was a good article and you brought up a lot of points that are necessary and important to consider when trying to get an objective idea of how good a team is. Anyone who discards those facts is failing to appreciate reality.

by Joeycarl on Sep 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know, no offense truly, just giving you a hard time. I spent some time listing to pats radio last week to hear what they thought about us. Jerry Sullivan was on for an interview, pretty much bashed the bills the whole time to the point where even the pats radio show host seemed awkward kinda like ‘wow and you are pro bills?’. they kept joking back and forth about how Jerry should come back out to the east coast (i guess he is from there) and follow a good team. You are a class act Brian so sorry to mention you in there. Even though Jerry is a killer writer, i would like to see him stand up for our squad a bit more instead of joining the outsiders in laughing at us.

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by captainStros on Sep 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did we "deserve" to win

I’m not going to say whether or not we “deserved” to beat Oakland and New England, but I will certainly say, and I am sure many of you would agree with me, that we “deserved” to win some games that we “didn’t deserve” to win.

by Joeycarl on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely deserved to win

The Bills worked hard and took advantage of what the other team gave them. Do that and you deserve to win.

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by jpb531 on Sep 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I don’t disagree with you said. But you completely missed the point of what I said. Oh well.

by Joeycarl on Sep 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chiefs

were also without Tony Moeaki and lost Eric Berry on I think it was the second play of the game.

For now, I’m content to go with the flow and not worry about it too much. The Bills had a lot of bad luck the last few years, so part of it is karma balancing itself out. They’ve also gotten some of the breaks through hard work.

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by jpb531 on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

the chiefs have many more problems

than a missed tightend and safety

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by silverstreak3k on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck is a funny thing

the bills have been overdo for some coin flips for quite some time. it doesn’t mean they will continue to get breaks, but if they gain confidence from it it doesn’t matter. confidence is everything with a team that clearly has the talent to be great.

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by kgun201 on Sep 26, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

TWSS
Knock on wood – hard and often

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Sep 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

too easy

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Sep 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catching teams with injuries is a stroke of luck, 100% true. A ball bouncing off of a players helmet and going for a pick six is absolutely lucky. But scoring 35 2nd half points against the raiders had nothing to do with luck. Holding the Pats to 10 2nd half points had a lot to do with being lucky. Chad Johnsons dropped TD pass, the helmet bounce, even bryan scotts pick was pretty lucky, the pats were driving and at or around our 30yd line. If any of those 3 things go differently we lose that game.

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by cencalclassics on Sep 26, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Drawing Penalties

Last week stevie must have drawn at least 3 pass interference penalties. He was roasting guys and they were holding him to prevent big plays. Not all penalties are flukes. Mix in the wilfork penalty from yesterday and you got about 4-6 unwarranted first downs.

by Section312@theRalph on Sep 26, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

To all who are upset at Brian for writing this piece

I dont know about you but after 11 years I’m not in it to win 3 regular season games. Im not in it to gain national respect. Im in it to see this team get to the playoffs and I bet every single player and coach in that lockerroom are too and that means constantly looking on where you can improve and perfect your gameplan and approach. Complacency, even in the slightest, can doom a season. Starting 3-0 you WANT to be able to identify troubling statistics or circumstances, that means you can get better. If you couldn’t, teams would be able to figure you out soon enough.

The Buffalo Bills have not yet begun to fight and if you want to end a decade long playoff drought you dont start ignoring issues because everyone is feeling good. Dont take your eye off the prize because we feel better than we have in a long, long time. We only have that feeling because we have forgotten what the playoffs taste like – MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN 3-0!

Thats the goal. It is for the players and it is for the coach. Its extremely hard to do because its a long season and a lot can happen. As long as the team isnt resting on its behind, neither should Brian, these are exactly the kinds of pieces we need from him. If you want to just talk about how awesome the Bills are come on over and drink some beers with me, I’m really good at that!

This energetic, lovable, talented team has taken just the first steps on the long road to the playoffs, they havent earned a thing yet and they dont ask for it. Lets share that mentality. This isnt the baby. The baby is a playoff contender.

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by poz on Sep 26, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

This has nothing to do with overreaching optimism, but far more to do with football related occurrences that happen to every team, every season. I could care less if Galliford wrote this article or not, the problems are evident and need to be addressed. It shouldnt shock anyone that the Bills need work, as does every team with flaws. However, progress is progress. And this is clearly legitimate progress. This is coming from a guy that believes a season without winning a chip is a complete failure.

But ample help!? The Packers were a game away from not making the playoffs last year and won the chip, with ample help. This article was completely unnecessary and pessimistic to its core. Written for no other reason but to display future think vs the Bills just beat the Pats after 15 straight losses. How someone even writes this article is beyond me. Especially considering the Bills were playing the Pats and theyre spread offense without a starting corner, playing a corner that was cut before the season started, and lost a nickel corner during the game.

Its just absurd to focus on injuries, penalties, and turnovers when its apart of the game. Im sorry but it happened, Brady threw four picks, deal with it… it happened and it could happen again. Every team the Bills have played this season, plays with the exact same rules as the Bills do.

by aRC on Sep 26, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s a little over the top, don’t you think?

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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Sep 26, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im in it to see this team get to the playoffs and I bet every single player and coach in that lockerroom are too

Disagree! Playoffs are great, but for me and (I’m sure) the Bills personnel you mention, getting to the playoffs is not THE GOAL. The goal is, was and should always be to win a chamionship.

I don’t say this out of misplaced optimism, rather just as simple fact. I don’t give a crap about making it to the second season if we get bounced in the first round. Steps in the right direction are encouraging, but there is only one truly successful end to any sports season.

by JapanJohn on Sep 27, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mistakes haven't hurt

Fitz’s two throws in the end zone against the Raiders, his balloon ball to Nelson this week. Meanwhile, the Bills get a interception TD off Dareus’ helmet. The Bills made the Raiders and Pats pay for each and every mistake they made. It feels like I’m watching games in an anti-universe, so used to seeing play go the other way.

by Rick A on Sep 26, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously

thats the biggest difference this year! Thats two games in a row in which we WON heartbreakers….wha!!

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by poz on Sep 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries?
Starting WR Donald Jones back from a concussion just before the regular season.
Our starting LG out for the season.
Our 3rd WR (semi-starter) out for the season.
Starting CB McGee out.
Stevie Johnson fighting through groin/cramps issues.
Dareus still recovering from 2 lower leg injuries.
Aaron Williams carted off the field.
I’m sure there are more.

Basically 3 starters gone after 3 games. I don’t see a Bills advantage based on more or less injuries.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Sep 26, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Levitre is out for the season…?

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by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to confuse you. Had a medical situation a few days ago and the follow-up meds are making me a bit drowsy. Cut-and-paste fail.

Meant to type Urbik out for some time, not Levitre.

Anyway, hopefully my point is taken that the Bills are not “injury-free” or only insignificantly effected that regard.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Sep 26, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, s’all good. I was very confused. And I agree, we are banged up as well, just not as much as many other teams.

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by stetzwebs on Sep 26, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good teams take opportunities

Since 2003, every Bills team was the sort that would have found a way to lose this game. They would have fumbled away the football at the end, or never been in the game in the first place. And yes, Brady had one of the worst days he’s had in years, but our defense gets some credit for that. Wilson baited and beat him for the INT. That seam route to the TE has killed us in the past, but our D adapted to beat it. Dareus getting into the throwing lane is good defensive line play. Those aren’t just miscues by Brady; those are good plays by the defense. Every QB makes mistakes. Our defense stepped up and took advantage of them.

Yes, other teams have had injuries. The Bills can’t play the paper opponents, they can only play the teams that step onto the field. Have they been lucky? Sure, call it that. But in years past that wouldn’t have mattered. This year it did. That same Raiders team that our Bills beat went out and laid the hurt on a solid Jets squad. maybe the Bills have been lucky, but so what? Haven’t we always said that good teams find ways to win games? If this game is the other way around we’re talking about NE’s clutch abilities and how the Bills need to take the next step and start winning. Caution is well and good, but now isn’t the time to talk about. Wednesday or Thursday as we look forward to the Cincy is the right time, not now when we normally (for normally fortunes are reversed) would be talking about good teams make their own luck.

by Hopefulcynic on Sep 26, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Bradys Picks

I’m tired of hearing it and it just been a day. Tom Brady did not throw 4 ints. The Buffalo Bills picked him off 4 Times. There is a huge difference. I picked up this hot girl the other night, was it me being Smooth or was it she had to much to drink? What ever the case The Bills Capitalized on there turnovers and they (Bills) created them. So I say The Bills picked Brady off 4 Times not the other way around. Go Bills!

by Firedan on Sep 26, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

"I picked up this hot girl the other night, was it me being Smooth or was it she had to much to drink?"

Probably the most comically accurate analogy I have ever read. Congrats!!! haha. And at least for me I think it is the booze that creates the impression of me being smooth.

by Joeycarl on Sep 26, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's look at this the other way

If the Bills were 0-3, or take last year for instance, you could say that we were just unlucky but if you did, it would not seem very realistic. The 0 and 3 team has to accept that it needs to improve even if it did get a lot of unlucky bounces.

Would you say “We’re 0 and 3. Next year we won’t be as unlucky.” and stand pat?

No, because in any case if you are not improving you are going backwards.

So the good teams know they need to improve. The bad teams know they need to improve. The unlucky teams need to improve. All teams need to improve.

The unlucky teams, (and we have been there) can not just claim to be unlucky. OR there is little solace in the claim. So, since it is something you can’t control I think it would be as equally disingenuous to claim that the wins were based on luck IF you are also claiming the need to improve. (and I know Brian is not claiming that.)

My God, Jackson getting tackled on the 1 yard line was the greatest piece of reverse luck there ever was! If he had gone in Brady could have easily tied the game, gone into overtime, gotten the toss and then the win.

I still think about how great that was he was tackled before getting the touchdown. It seems cosmically fitting for a Buffalo team on the rise.

by Bill Frank on Sep 26, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Brian,

Those are the breaks. It happens to every team, both positive and negative. Life in the NFL!

by mikeo76 on Sep 26, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright.

I’m not going to rant about how this is harshing my buzz.

I’ll just ignore it for today. Then tomorrow come back and say, hmm, those are good points. Most probably, anyway. Or, I’ll knock them down if I can. Still, I think this WILL be a 4-0 team. It might then be a 4 and two team, though, if they’re not careful.

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by Orlando John on Sep 26, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Lucky Fitz

As well as Fitz has played getting us back in games I can’t help but worry about some of his decision making in crunch time. In both the Raiduhs and Patsies games he threw ridiculously stupid balls and got bailed out by even dumber interference penalties. This week i was sitting on the couch and as soon as I saw him double clutch I said to my girlfriend, “well so much for that comeback”, because I knew it was going to be way under thrown. The pass was so bad in fact that the corner that got flagged was figuring the play was over, no way the receiver was getting to that ball. Someone needs to slap Harvard Boy upside the head once in a while when things get rolling to remind him to slow down and use that big brain of his.

by bflobob8 on Sep 26, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

There was an actual discussion on ESPN today asking if the Bills were now the team to beat in the AFC East. I like the Bills as much as anyone but c’mon, lets all take a step back. How many here would bet $1000 even up that the Bills would beat the Patriots next Sunday? We have a LONG way to go. I hope the team isn’t as deliriously out of touch with reality as some fans. The way I see it we are about 2 plays or penalties from being 1-2.

by bflobob8 on Sep 26, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup...

last year the Bills committed those penalties or didn’t make those plays. This year they aren’t committing those penalties and they are making those plays.

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by ForeignArrow on Sep 26, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw the same short discussion on nfl.com, but i think they just brought it up to help ground the bill-evers who are sky high.

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by captainStros on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we beat the Patriots and the Jets lost to the team we beat last week. Therefore, a discussion of us being the top dog is valid. Has it been so long since this team was good that no one can truly believe it when it happens? Beware of low expectations.

by JapanJohn on Sep 27, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to rain on anyone's parade but...

I’m just going to rain on everyone’s parade (hilarious)

I agree to a certain extent with the thing you pointed out Brian, but the fact you made an article about it makes them an over-statement. None of the players on that injury list really changed the complexion of any of their respective games. The Chiefs threw the ball so poorly Tony Moeaki is not changing that from a blowout to a win or even a close game. The Raiders threw the ball so effectively that they obviously didn’t miss Heyward-Bey. The same thing goes for the Patriots offense, Aaron Hernandez is not responsible for Tom Brady throwing 4 INT’s.

As far as penalties goes… good teams force bad teams into penalties or bad teams force themselves into penalties. Although against NE the refs were getting a little ridiculous, I think there was a point in the game where they had screwed Buffalo so bad on some ticky tacky stuff that they began making make-up calls against the Patriots.

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by ForeignArrow on Sep 26, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

the infamous byrd-on-welker hit that was called for helmet-to-helmet? not a game chaning penalty call, but a bad one at that. it was just a solid hit. the refs were a bit call-happy yesterday it seemed.

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by captainStros on Sep 26, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that was called helmet-to-helmet, rather a hit on a defenseless receiver. My question is: How long do you have to wait until the receiver becomes eligible to be hit? Are we going to see a new generation of receivers who are adept at acting defenseless?

by JapanJohn on Sep 27, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Hernandez is in the game does Brady throw to Woodhead in the red-zone? Is Ocho even on the field or targeted on McKelvins pick?

The answer, we don’t know.

Having different personnel definitely effects how a team plays, maybe better, maybe worse. If Roscoe was playing yesterday then I doubt we find out about Donald Jones ability to go deep.

I agree about the penalty factor though. I believe large amounts of penalties are usually a result of a team being either tired, panicking or a combination of the two.

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by lonestar_ak on Sep 27, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean...

the penalties were what had single-handedly killed Buffalo’s first half drives other than Donald Jones’s butterfingers… I’m am not very fond of Donald Jones, he is extremely underwhelming.

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by ForeignArrow on Sep 26, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

moral of the story

good wins, but a lot of season left to go.

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by silverstreak3k on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree 100% with the post.

Not so much the timing though. I would wait until after our first loss, if we have one. I do want to add something. This team is so so so different though. These things you mention we have experienced before and still couldn’t get it done. This team plays the whole game, all 60 minutes, they have beaten the arch nemisis in the Patriots, not the dolphins. This team beat the Raiders and DMac and they are a very good team. I respect the post, but this team is different and time will heal all wounds.

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by VanScottM on Sep 27, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

you are absolutely right. many things have gone our way. and we cannot keep falling to teams so early. i think we lack a good pass rush, and good coverage. nevertheless, we are 3-0 not simply due to luck. we are a decent team. fitzpatrick has been this team’s mvp. he has shown tremendous poise in the pocket. playing like a true general.

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by chaucer on Sep 27, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing that’s keeping me grounded is the memory of the Denver pre-season game. Our starters were in that game for nearly the whole first half and could generate no offense. Gailey was no doubt holding back a large portion of his playbook, but still.

by JapanJohn on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

great article Brian

I am as worried about this weeks game as I have been about the Pats and Raiders. A lot of balls bounced our way during the last two games. We must not mistake providence for destiny. The Bengals have a formidible d-line that is comparable to the raiders. Also, just because the 49ers were able to sack Dalton, that doesn’t mean we will! “On any given Sunday”.

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by Montel on Sep 27, 2011 1:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This will be almost as blasphemous as what Brian wrote, but is in a similar vein..

Fitz has been quite lucky in his brilliance too. We all know that’s what comes with Fitz, but how he managed to throw/almost throw 3 back breaking picks in 2 weeks and have none of them count is amazing.

I think this means the football gods are no longer sharting on us honestly.

As I said in my response to Foreign above, I agree that we got very fortunate catching the Pats with these injuries and possibly the Raiders too. The penalties though I think are not as much of “luck”, but still help for sure.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Sep 27, 2011 4:46 AM EDT reply actions  

In all due respects Brian

It’s annoying as hell that people are only looking at one side of this Brady INT issue. When Brady suggested in his post-game interview that the reason they lost was because he committed too many errors to overcome and somehow gave the game to Buffalo… What about us? What about the two first possessions where Fitz threw interceptions? What about giving Brady the ball back on our 35, how was that not a gift? Then the next series another INT giving it to them on their 30.

Did our D play well in the beginning? no. But we committed some grave errors both on offense and defense in the first 20min of play, which is why we were staring up at a 21-0 deficit.

I applaud Chan & the boys for not losing their composure and battling back the way they did. Climbing back to 10pts just before the half sent a message to the Pats and we came out firing on all cylinders and Brady was like a deer in headlights. IMO he did not earn the 21 pts we gave them to him. If both teams would not have committed errors it would have been a different game but I think we still could have prevailed.

One game at a time, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I agree that we need to find a way to come out solid and not put ourselves into an early hole. I hope Chan comes out trying to establish the run a bit more in the future, less risk of turning it over and lets the guys shake off their pre-game jitters. This team is solid and confident, it’s great to watch.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Sep 27, 2011 7:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Playoffs? Playoffs!

Great article Brian and I agree with your overall point. Plus for any QB to throw 4 picks and only lose by a field goal, shows how much work there is still to be done and how thin the line is between winning and losing. I think we can all agree on that. As a Bills fan since the early 70’s, I remember way more bad teams than good. To even be whistling past the cemetery and even allowing myself to think about the playoffs already is a place I didn’t think I’d be at, but I am and happy about that. The better D still wins the Super Bowl way more times than the better O, so that’s where our season will be “won” or “lost” When we start winning the 16-13 games, that’s when I know we are for real. My early prediction is that at least two AFC teams will have 10-6 records and only one will be the wild card because the other one will be 11-5. We need to be better than just splitting all our divisional games and if/when we beat the Jets, that’s when I’ll really start to feel good about our prospects this year.

by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Sep 27, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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