Stevie Johnson Benched In Potential Final Game With Buffalo Bills
by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 4:07 PM EST
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PrintIn the Buffalo Bills' season-ending 49-21 loss to the New England Patriots, wide receiver Stevie Johnson became the first wide receiver in team history to record back-to-back 1,000-yard receiving seasons. He did so while catching an 18-yard touchdown pass to put the Bills up 14-0 in the first quarter.
After the score, Johnson lifted his jersey to reveal a "Happy New Year!" message written on his t-shirt underneath. The gesture drew a 15-yard penalty, and head coach Chan Gailey immediately benched his star receiver. Johnson didn't play another snap for the rest of the game.
On one hand, Johnson's celebration was totally innocuous. On the other hand, it broke a rule that Johnson should've had a clear grasp of, as he did a similar celebration last season in Cincinnati that drew a $5,000 fine.
This is Johnson in a nutshell, and a perfect microcosm of what he's been for two seasons: a very good wide receiver distracted just enough by the pomp and frivolity of the sport to be truly great. This was Johnson's final game under his rookie contract - he's scheduled for unrestricted free agency this off-season - and clearly, a benching isn't the best way to go out for either Johnson or the team. This is going to be a fascinating story line to follow for a couple of months.
What say you? Was Johnson's benching warranted? Should Gailey have put him back in before game's end? Is Johnson's career in Buffalo over? Should it be? We know this is what everyone wants to talk about, so have at it!
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Chan did the right thing.
It’s not supposed to be all about Stevie and it clearly felt that way.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 4:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions 20 recs
I agree.
If we keep him, it is a good lesson.
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I also don’t think this means Stevie is a goner. At least not any more than he was before his wardrobe malfunction.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Now let’s get him (Stevie) signed.
by buffaloparks on Jan 1, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Chan did the right thing.
It’s not supposed to be all about Stevie and it clearly felt that way.
100% agree.
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 1, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion
that’s naive.
It’s nice to feel like the coach is in control, but it’s all about the players. Many of them, and I would include Stevie in that group, feel that they come before the team. That’s just the way it is now.
The Bills have very few, if any, stars on this team. Stevie is one of them. It’s not fair, but stars get to be divas and stars get to be selfish once in a while. We saw what the offense looked like without him in there. He knows he’s good, he knows he’s about to get paid a lot of money, and the Bills were 6-9 and up 14-0 on a huge rival. 15 yard penalty? BFD. Not worth running him out of town for.
It’s not fair, but stars get to be divas and stars get to be selfish once in a while.
Didn’t he do that three times, though? And doesn’t Gailey get to do this once in a while, too?
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
OK, so stars get to be divas and selfish all the time, haha. In my honest opinion, Gailey certainly can and should pick his spots to lay down the law, but doing it to one of the best players this team has — who is clearly a little bit immature and is heading to the end of his contract — is not analyzing the situation correctly.
Gailey needs to be able to see that Johnson has a little bit of an attitude problem and instead of fighting back at him right at the end of his deal, maybe take it a little easy if they want to get him back.
And, they may get him back anyway, and this may all go away, but I just don’t think it was the right move at the right time.
It’s no fighting back with Stevie. It’s disciplining him according to a set of rules Gailey likely has in place. You don’t know if he told Stevie that one more infraction would lead to a benching. The whole act was premeditated on Stevie’s part.
That Plaxico dance could have been spur-of-the-moment, but it takes time to write up on one’s shirt and the intent is to use as has been done previously.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
and stevie is good but he’s not the best in the game. he definitely is not clutch. he makes too many drops. he reminds me of a young T.O. in that he has all of that talent but never matures. it’s his immaturity that could eventually catch up to him in the long run. besides, i think Meachem, Colston, Garcon, and V. Jax are better than him anyway. and all will be FA’s. not to mention desean but he’s more of a problem than stevie.
It’s also imPortant to note that Stevie hasn’t asked for top-WR money
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Given the way Stevie responded to the situation, I don’t think Gailey misread the situation at all.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Bills have very few, if any, stars on this team. Stevie is one of them. It’s not fair, but stars get to be divas and stars get to be selfish once in a while. We saw what the offense looked like without him in there.
If he’s the definition of a “star” then I don’t want any on my team. Talent doesn’t shouldn’t give you a pass on foolish/childish behavior that hurts the TEAM. Who cares if it’s good for TV. That’s what Stevie wants – TV time – will now he can look at himself on ESPN and every other network on the BENCH. He didn’t care though. He knows he will get his payday from another team. He’ll go to the 49ers since they just released braylon edwards. or he will go to the jets and join that showboating, smack talking coach.
why the heck did he have to use his shirt
why couldn’t he just like hold up the ball and shout happy new year at a camera
why
why
whyyyy
by lord gloom on Jan 1, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t wait to hear his interviews.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 1, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions
Just to clarify
He wasnt penalized for the Bengals celebration. You wrote so yourself :) http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/11/24/1834329/stevie-johnson-fined-5000-for-why-so-serious-celebration
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I agree with the benching...
I thought Chan gave Stevie a ton of rope and he hung himself. Chan gave him warnings. It was a really good game to make a point IMO. I am sure they want him back, he will have to man-up and take this punishment like a man.
by CarolinaBills21 on Jan 1, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yep....if the Bills needed this win to get into the playoffs,
you can bet Chan wouldn’t have benched him.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
it sucks that it came to this
but chan’s not the one who brought it here…
moderators relax the rules for this one
let all of us use as much foul language as possible on this moron…
Um, no.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Write what you want to say on your shirt :)
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
by fansince60 on Jan 1, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
LOLOL
very nice
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Jan 1, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...rec'd
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
no you'll
just bitch and moan about how the new guy sucks.
Harooo
by Robot Nixon on Jan 1, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone sucks, no point in trying, let’s all go watch a soccer game.
by Ian MacPersonoid on Jan 1, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Soccer sucks
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
by fansince60 on Jan 1, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe not soccer
but I think we should all have a “second team” who we can root for that actually has at least a microcosm of a chance to do well over the course of a 16 game season and, heaven forbid, make the playoffs.
I'm off to hop in my barrel and chuck myself down Niagara Falls.
by The PenIsMightier on Jan 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but the Bears didn’t do it this year, so… anyone follow cricket?
by Ian MacPersonoid on Jan 2, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
why? all ur posts about how the bills suck how ralph is cheap etc etc. but ud like to see them let one of their best young players walk?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
they do suck… and stevie has no sense of game situation…
by all means lift your shirt when we are playing the colts without manning in a meaningless game when we are winning… even after repeated warnings he still does it against the pats on an away game i dont want him and his vegetable brain
Um
It was a meaningless game that the Bills were winning at the time.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
thanks ron
my bad… what was i thinking? up 21 huge points in the first quarter against brady… why am i mad at stevie
In a meaningless game.
So who decides which games have meanings. You?
No....that is my job
And since the Bills were eliminated from the playoffs long ago, I decreed the remaining games meaningless. So let it be written…..
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Bye stevie
Hate to say it but I think he’s gone. So unfortunete cus I love this guy since he was a rook. I guess if were lucky will just switch him with either Vincent or desean Jackson.
by edrick88 on Jan 1, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's a clever observation
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Man bench chan another wasted season
by beezwright on Jan 1, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think he meant that but I get his sentiment.
No team starting as they did should have just played their last game of the season
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He just doubled his win total from last year. If I was to tell you at the start that he would double his wins and beat the Pats I am willing to bet that 95% or more people around here would have taken that. Don’t fire Chan because YOU inflated expectations after the way they started.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Jan 1, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
double?
he went from 4 to 6. that’s 50%…
by statcruncher on Jan 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah for some reason I was thinking they won only 3 last year. my bad.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
It is still improvement and when you take all the injuries into account it isn’t as terrible as people are making t out to be. Everyone wants instant gratification, and when they don’t get it they want to start over and hope to catch a miracle rather then be patient and let the team develop.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
yep
Frankly my biggest fear about this game was injury. Win would have been great but say Spiller suffering a devastating knee injury would have been far worse then this loss. Same goes for all the young talent, last thing they need is missing off season work due to recovery from injury.
Harooo
but please dont blame this game on stevie
we are are a horrible team, horrible defense, horrible qb, stunted brained coaches
by statcruncher on Jan 1, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
even if stevie was in the game
we are pathetic
by statcruncher on Jan 1, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think a benching of the first half was all that was needed. they where already apart on negotiations and this only provides another another obstacle to mount. I have no faith in bills wanting to resign him at all. It would only be the bills we know to let him walk or trade him and try to replace him in the draft.
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by matthew62 on Jan 1, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
what are you even saying?
what message does it send by just sitting him in the first half… " we just want to token bench you but we desperately need you to win so please forgive us for benching you" ?
The message was sent. You behavior was acceptable. It hurt the team I will not tolerate it. Anyone who has played football here may know what I am talking about. Benching sends a message very quickly. Football players do not like being benched specially when there healthy.
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by matthew62 on Jan 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed. also coaches and other players get pissed when a player does that because a) he’s clearly been told not to do that and b) he himself said he wasn’t gonna do stupid celebrations that get penalties
by J2 on Jan 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I understand the benching and stevie was wrong for what he did. I just think the benching should of ended at the half.
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by matthew62 on Jan 1, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question
Wasn’t Stevie trying to se a
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I would, however, like to thank stevie for helping our draft status.
by J2 on Jan 1, 2012 4:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why does benching him for a league violation mean nix won’t work something out?
There are many reasons to question his return but this benching isn’t one of them – it’s an in-game decision to show the team what’s important and what isnt
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unless the Bills
There are many reasons to question his return but this benching isn’t one of them
use this as an excuse why they won’t pay him. Like I said, no way he is benched if the Bills need this game to get into the playoffs.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Stevie acted dumb
But he’s a very good receiver, and we don’t have enough talent on this team, and he needs to be brought back, regardless.
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Agree the rule is stupid
Also agree with the benching
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by Gpluehri on Jan 1, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Really disappointed in Stevie, but also in Chan...
Bench him for a drive or a quarter. But he was tearing that secondary apart, and we had a chance to make a huge statement with a win or at least a close game. Seems unfair to the rest of the team to bench for whole game. Just my opinion.
by dinendal7 on Jan 1, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
completely disagree
unfair to the team? u saying chan’s unfair to the team? oh lets forgive stevie… lets just smack him in the head for it and let it go
Hay....I know......let's cut off his hands too....that will really teach him a lesson
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Hands
Stevie has hands? :)
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Chan doesn't like robotic hands.......I better not finish that ;-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Seems unfair to the rest of the team to bench for whole game.
It was unfair to the rest of the team to do something after being warned of the consequences.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you think Chan told him he would be benched for the rest of the game before hand?
Could be….if so I still think it was to harsh a penalty that does hurt the rest of the team. Want to hurt Stevie only??? Fine his a$$
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Yes, Chan did inform the entire team that if anyone was flagged for a demonstration they would be benched for the game and assessed going forward. For that fact alone I am fine with the benching.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
link please
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
It was in his postgame press conference. I listened to it on WGR. It will be up on BB.com soon i’m sure.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
OK.....I will watch for it....post the link here if you see it...thanks
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Head coach Chan Gailey, who promised to the players after the Jets game that if anyone took another celebration penalty there would be consequences, reluctantly yanked Johnson for the rest of the game.
This will have to suffice until BB.com posts Gaileys full aftergame press conference.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
Yes, but consequences do not have to mean the whole game.....which has been my poin the whole time
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Completely agree.
Til half sends the same exact message.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 1, 2012 7:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not when he’d told them this is what would happen. That fact made me do a 180 on this issue.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
At least someone gets the facts straight and makes logical conclusion
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
When you listen to the press conference you will hear Gailey clearly state that the player who cost the team at the expense of a demonstation would be benched for the entire game and would be assesed on future games going forward. I like that Gailey drew a line in the sand and that he stuck to his word. He cant say I’ll bench you for the game and then bench him for a half.
I don’t like that the NFL has a rule against Johnson writing happy new year on his undershirt. But thats a different issue.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
yes.....if he said that prior to this game, then he had to do it
but I still think it was a bad move to make that statement. You have to leave yourself some room when apply punishments because not all situations are the same and call for the same punishment. For example, if Stevie simulated a sex act I would give him a bigger punishment than writing something on his shirt.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
I understand where you are coming from, but I think Gailey did leave room for application. It seems to me he was trying to discourage anyone from doing something that would cost the team by setting a stiff penalty of being benched the remainder of the game. I like that. There is no need for those types of penalties. I don’t like the leagues interpretation, but the rules are the rules.
The application of the punishment comes in the assessment of future games. If Stevie simulated a sex act (which I can honestly say I would never expect him to do) he could be held out of future games, fined, etc…
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
agreed....I dont' think Stevie would do that either....just using it as an example
Like I said somewhere else, what was his punishment the last time? I don’t remember him getting a half game suspension. That would have been the next step for me….plus a fine.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
what was his punishment the last time?
This is where another problem lies. His last punishment was a fine after the fact, but no in game penalty. This time around he got the penalty in game and will more than likely get a fine as well. Be consistent NFL. It probably should have been a penalty last year by the rules.
However, I would have to think that Stevie should have known that if he brings a “prop” the writing on his shirt he would be penalized for it the second time around because refs will be looking for it. So I still think Stevie should have known better.
"You are every bit as good as everyone else, but not one bit better."
-Eldred Lee
by arbon78 on Jan 1, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.....but like I said, Chan could have given him half a game and a bigger fine
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
OR maybe Stevie could have taken that threat and figured out the rules.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even Chan doesn't understand the rules...."Which is it?" he said.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Doesn’t matter. This debate doesn’t happen if Stevie wouldn’t try and test the boundaries repeatedly. There is no excuse. In fact, there was no excuse for going to the ground in the Jets game, this was clearly gonna earn a fine minimum (he acknowledges that). So he’s an idiot if he thinks that the fine means he is out of the woods on a flag being thrown. He should stop getting cute with trying to test the rules boundary, acknowledge he is being a smart-ass and respect his coaches wishes to stop fishing for penalties.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, this debate doesn't happen if the officials don't throw the flag
Like I said somewhere else, what happens if Stevie does a Lambeau Leap and gets flagged for that? The officials should not be able to randomly dish out penalties like this…..it is wrong.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
No, this debate doesn’t happen if the officials don’t throw the flag
Actually the debate doesnt happen if Stevie doesnt write on his shirt or if Stevie hadn’t fallen to the ground in the Jets game.
Its not analogous to a leap. People don’t write on their shirts every game and get a pass (as with the leap). The one time he did this before he got a fine and a letter. Its a prop — not a Lambeau leap. Refs missed it the first time. He still got punished later, and he seemed to think it was “okay”. Foolishness.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 2, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so his shirt is a prop but the wall of the stadium isn't?
writing on the shirt was planned, but all the other clowns doing TD dances in the endzone are not planned…..really??
Sure, it is all foolishness but nobody seems to know which foolishness will draw a flag and which will not.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
what?
you say
But he was tearing that secondary apart
then you say
Seems unfair to the rest of the team
who was this game about? stevie or the team? if stevie was the reason we were winning and his benching caused us to lose the game, then blame stevie for making a dumb decision – forcing his coach’s hand after being warned previously – that hurt the team.
rec'd
Bench him for a drive or a quarter.
Would have gotten the message across.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
i agree, game was over when he was benched
why not just send him to the locker room, make a real statement.
the message chan sent to me was he does not have anyone in the
locker room controlling stevie with his stupid celebrations.
so they throw the towel in the first quarter in what could have been a
statement game…..
there are no winners at OBD today….
It is unfair to the rest of the team
And that is all on Stevie for his stupidity
No...it is also on Chan for not desciplining him in a way that wouldn
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
wouldn't hurt the rest of the team
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
But..
what if Chan felt that what was needed was for the rest of the team to have a reason to pull Stevie aside and have a talk with him. peer pressure can do wonders.
Harooo
That is his choice.....I just think something smells funny here
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
The coach is the man. He has to remain in control of all things.
Players, no matter who they are, have to STFU and act like pros.
Coaches who let this crap slide lose their locker rooms.
Great players know this. Maybe Steve does know.
I lot of food for thought for him this off season.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Coaches who let this crap slide lose their locker rooms.
Thats right. When the little stuff gets screwed up it just spirals. Thats why you hear other teams bencing guys for being late to meetings or practice. Its not a big deal in and of itself, but it undermines the chain of command.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s sure to be a hit topic again this week, and again it will be for something less than stellar.
It’s too bad people who aren’t Bills fans don’t see his good play more often
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It was warranted
Gailey has to instill discipline and this was a perfect opportunity as Buffalo wasn’t playing for a playoff spot. Losing Johnson for the game hurt the team but Gailey needs to get his players (all of them) to understand that he won’t tolerate idiotic repeated penalties that hurt the team in game after game.
I certainly hope this is not Johnson’s last game as a Bill. I’m on record calling for Nix’s firing for not having Johnson already signed to a long term deal.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Jan 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well said
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
It only looks good when it works. Without Johnson, the Bills offense quickly collapsed. Gailey was willing to lose a game badly in order to make a point to a player…a player who is now a free agent. Why would Johnson ever want to play for Gailey ever again?
Benching a star player is a dominance game. It shows which party is more dominant in the relationship. We saw, very clearly and very painfully, that it was Johnson who was the dominant in that relationship. Players can afford to lose political games like that. Coaches can’t.
And that is why Gailey should be fired.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
I dont think Gailey lost.
Stevie apologized in his press conference afterwards.
After Stevie was benched, the offense was completely ineffective for the remainder of the game. If Chan was trying to prove a point, he proved one that I doubt he intended.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Sure.
And we lost a meaningless game.
I think a long-term point was made at the expense of the short-term.
Even with Stevie, I doubt the game changes 28 points to a point where we win.
I can’t agree with you at all. Benching Stevie didnt mean Gailey would rather lose to prove a point.
If he doesn’t take action Stevie continues to put the team at risk because of his selfish behavior.
Buffalo wasn’t winning this game with Stevie in it. They were up 7 more points after he was benched. The team lost focus, determination, a starter, and the game
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
stupid
way to ostracize one of the only playmakers on offense.
all of you saying “great” and watnot, just wait I’ll Chan is gone after next year and we are without either of the, because Chan had to “punish” Stevie. ridiculous.
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions
yup
just like Broncos fans were happy that they finally had a franchise QB and WR tandem that was working great, then Josh McDaniels comes into town and in 2 years gets runs both of them out of town and then is fired himself. He ends up leaving the franchise worse off than it was when he got there.
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i disagree...
i see it as josh mcdaniels did what the previous “leader” didn’t do. if that costs me my job, then so be it.
But neither Jay Cutler nor Whatsisname were really that good. Honestly, people attach that “franchise” addendum to any player who can stay on the field without pooping himself for 3 consecutive downs. As long as they’re on somebody else’s team and they don’t fumble every time they touch the ball, they get called franchise-caliber players. Ridiculous…
by Ian MacPersonoid on Jan 1, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
not that good?
I think you need to go back and look up their stats again….Cutler threw for over 4500 yds and 25 TDs and Marshall had over 100 cth and over 1000 yds in each of his seasons. If that’s not franchise or at least building blocks to franchise then I don’t know what is considering both guys were only about 24 or 25 at the time they were accomplishing those numbers.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I think ppl are overreacting to this move by Gailey. In my opinion it was business as usual for a repeat offense…and I wouldn’t have been surprised to see him do the same if the team was playing for next week.
You have to look at this without emotions clouding the reality. I get emotionally charged often about this team but I really approve of what Gailey did for the TEAM going forward.
Obey the rules and get on board or watch your teammates for the day.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Amen
Of course that’s what Chan should have done. Any good coach in any sport would do the same.
by Wanna Shout on Jan 2, 2012 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think he should have been benched. It’s a pretty harmless td celebration so I don’t get why everyone is so upset. It’s a stupid rule in the first place. The NFL has been taking so much fun out of the game. And yes he needs to be brought back next season. Absolutely our best receiver on the team.
Violence: If its not solving all your problems you simply aren't using enough of it.
missing the point
the rule is THE RULE….and he broke, AGAIN. when he did this against the jets he said he would not let it happen again. He is a selfish DIVA whose selfish antics put the team in a bad position. hopefully he will learn a lesson, grow from it, and be a good WR in buffalo for the next few years.
d/
by jeters02 on Jan 1, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This celebration was different than the jets
so please don’t compare the 2. The reason he was flagged against the Jets was because he went to the ground. Players are allowed to celebrate but cannot go to the ground otherwise it’s an automatic flag.
Stevie did this same thing last year and wasn’t flagged at all and got the Bills a lot of media attention for it. It was absurd for him to even get flagged for this celebration.
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by panekattack on Jan 1, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
again
he said he “would not get another 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty”………..so it is very much a fair comparison.
Exactly. Chan was right
Stevie promised he would never do anything like this again and then he went out and did it. That’s highly immature. I’m sure he also made the promise directly to Chan Gailey and Chan must have made it clear that if it ever happened again there would be serious consequences. Chan absolutely did the right thing.
If Stevie is re-signed — as I hope he will be — this should help to insure that he never hurts the team by doing something this silly in the future. And as Brian astutely points out, the incident also speaks to Stevie’s attitude toward the game, which needs to become more professional if he is ever going to realize his full potential as a WR.
by Macktruck on Jan 1, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Benching was fair
Stevie did this same thing last year and wasn’t flagged at all and got the Bills a lot of media attention for it. It was absurd for him to even get flagged for this celebration
Stevie set the whole thing up on Twitter before the game.He didn’t just punk the coach,He pretty much told the League He was going to break their rules.A fine has no effect on Players today,money means so little to them it seems..But take away playing time and show His teammates what is going to happen,that sends a message..I hope we keep Him,but He really needs to grow up IMO.
by 3nOutNoMore on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged
He used a prop,his shirt. It was absurd on only Steve’s part NO one else. The rules may suck but Steve has familiarity with the rules I’m sure. I’d call Steve not to bright at this point.
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Whether the penalty was fair or not Gailey decided his penalty was ejection for being penalized.
Gailey is the coach and what you think is an offense isn’t relevant tothe decision he made based on an official’s call
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Missing the point - Well Said:
Exactly. It scares me a bit to think what actually runs through Stevie’s brain sometimes. I mean really, does he even think? Chan had no choice. I am positive there were prior conversations with him after other incidents. Don’t think for a moment that more intelligent guys on the team like Wood, Dareus, Barnett,Levitre and Fitz don’t get pissed at him for hurting the team with his stupidness and immature behavior. With all that being said – I would still resign him. Some of his teammates have to pull him aside and “slap him on the side of the head” to wake him up.
by buffalobob1568 on Jan 1, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
He is a Califrnia kid and though it stereotypes those players many of the ones to play in Buffalo over the last 15 years have had issues with either maturity or focus … Or sometimes both.
But if the Bills had a shot at Barkley, I’d want them to go all in.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes to benching him. yes to resigning him
i like chans no nonsense “enough of this stuff” reaction and benching stevie. it is also abundantly clear that he needs to be resigned. the bills were a different (and much, much worse) football team without johnson on the field.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
it's not Stevie's fault, it's the damn uptight NFL rulings.
how on earth is telling someone Happy New Year unsportsmen like and/or offensive to the other team. I don’t f-ing get it.
can’t have fun anymore, this isn’t a game, this is football.
The t-shirt is a prop, and props are against the rules.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Does it matter “why”? It is, he knows it, and he obviously pre-planned to break the rule. This after his coach informed the entire team that any similar penalty would bring a benching for the game.
Stupid. Selfish. Immature. All are accurate descriptions of Johnson.
Whether it should or shouldn’t be considered illegal by the NFL is beside the point. Johnson knew it was and did it anyway.
by Todd in Texas on Jan 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t rec anything.
Kenny Powers is back!
by atlantalove on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because TO ruins everything for everyone. Same reason I don’t go to the Sizzler anymore…
by Ian MacPersonoid on Jan 1, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the same as removing the helmet – they view it as distracting to the game.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As good as gone
It was a dumb celebration (and it’s a dumb rule to begin with), but if it showed anything, it’s that he’s all about Stevie first. This takes out all sentimentality or hopes for a “hometown discount” and the Bills aren’t paying him market value.
Chan made the right move in benching him, but not for the entire game, sit him down for the next series or the rest of the quarter or something, but you have to understand the changing dynamic. You can’t do the old school “lay down the hammer” move anymore. Ask Mike Singletary.
It may not be fair or right, but in player/coach disputes, the player — especially a budding star like Stevie — is going to win more often than not. Now Stevie gets to win by cashing in in the offseason, likely with another team. Chan showed me nothing by benching him for the whole game except that he’s out of touch with the players.
It may not be fair or right, but in player/coach disputes, the player — especially a budding star like Stevie — is going to win more often than not.
this is exactly why you “stack talent on top of talent.” sign players who appreciate this opportunity and who can step in and play. have we sucked that much for so long until we are willing to compromise discipline and having a team first attitude for talent?
Yep.
Having a team that loses 49-21 doesn’t leave me saying, “I’m so happy our team is full of good guys who play with discipline.” It leaves me saying,“Man, the Patriots have so much more talent than we do.” Steve Johnson is a Top 3 talent on the Bills, he gets a pass for lifting up his shirt. Stupid move? Yes. Worthy of a benching? Not in my opinion.
by nickfeely8 on Jan 1, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Teams are less likely to bring in a repeat headache as Stevie has been apt to give a coach.
They will think twice before shelling out top dollar.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not a chance......this is a joke......Stevie won't have a problem getting big money if FA....mark it down
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If he goes into FA...
He’ll be the #2 WR behind Bowe. Considering the stupid money Sid Rice got last year, Bowe and Johnson will get boatloads.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 1, 2012 11:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yep.....and they can go to a team with a shot at the playoffs
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Ill be very disappointed in OBD if he goes unsigned.
Especially because if we give 13 his biggest contact of his career, he’ll most likely be here longer than Chan and Nix.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Stevies thought process was that he did this before, didnt get penalized, but got fined. He decided he would take the fine. Obviously, he should have done his homework and checked the rulebook.
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If I remember right he got flagged in Cincy for doing the exact same thing as well as fined. He spoke about it after the game and said he wouldn’t do it again because his wife didn’t want him losing money. So much for that….
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
Im not positive, but according to my recollection and the post by Brian which I linked to above, he wasnt flagged for it, just fined after the fact. Im not trying to excuse it though. Given his track record, Stevie should be handing the ball the ref and high-fiving teammates.
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by kfisk214 on Jan 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looked it up on NFL.com, he wasnt flagged in Cinci. I also looked at the rulebook:
TAUNTING
© The use of baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Individual players involved in prolonged or excessive celebrations. Players are prohibited from
engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or
prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two-or-more players engage in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game
on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.
Im not really sure where Stevies celebration fits in here. I guess the writing is not part of the uniform?
STAN UP MY BUFFALO NATION OUR DESTINY AWAITS AND WE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE LAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL THATS BEEN DENIED TO US - abayarde, who else?
Yeah probably f
Writing on a shirt is a tad ambiguous though, and if he got away with it before, why not again?
So the high stepping into the end zone like Aaron Hernandez did wasn’t taunting?
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Totally was but the game is rarely fair and consistent with the rules
I still dislike that defenders can’t take a QB down below the knees.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, because they are the patriots
there are two sets of rules in the nfl…
the pats, and everyone else-
Benching Johnson Was A Joke
You don’t bench your #1 receiver when trying to win games. Shows how determined we are. Absolutely ridiculous. I wanted us to keep him. Now i’m actually hoping he refuses to negotiate with us based on this benching. I think it’d be great for him & great for our management to suffer through. He should try the open market. Someone will pay him big.
My Depth is Immaterial to this Conversation
Chan just said in post game
He told entire team if anyone committed penalty that hurt the team they were benched for the game. What’s he supposed to do ignore his own edict ?
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
So
don’t make the edict in the first place. The disciplinarian act doesn’t play anymore. He’s out of touch, I think.
That's a defendable position
I disagree however.
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
agree
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I 1000% agree with this. You don’t make a blanket edict like that in the first place. Benching your best receiver (or really anyone on the team) for a game (and maybe the next game, as per his post game comments) hurts the team way more than a 15 yard penalty. Yes, Stevie maybe shouldn’t have done what he did (although in his defense, in his post game comments, Chan specifically mentioned warning against penalties, not fines), but Chan should have never made a blanket statement/warning like he did. This is pro football, not college, high school, middle school, or midget.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
heh, let us do this scenario
bench my only elite receiver, and then after he is benched, throw
the ball like i benched my elite running back———
yea, that is the strategy.
chan lost his mind earlier in the yr, i was in his corner, now
deeply concerned
Elite?
We have elite inepititude, but not elite players. You really think SJ is elite?
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Stevie just agreed with it in his post game
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
by radan on Jan 1, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree as well
I’d hate to see him go but he didn’t deserve all this. I’d love to see him go to a fun loving team that wouldn’t mind his antics like the Ravens or even….gulp…the Jets. Just to stick it to the management.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Yeah, but my question is who was the last “fun-loving” receiver to play on a good team? I’m going to try to look up all the excessive celebration rules for receivers and match it up with the overall records.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
loL
I’ll reach and say wannabe’s celebrate, winners go to pro-bowls and Canton Ohio.
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
T.O. had some good years with the Eagles and Cowboys, Randy Moss played pretty well with the Vikings and Patriots (although with the Pats he was a bit more professional), Chad Ochocinco had some great years with the Bengals, Steve Smith had some great years with the Panthers. Those are just off the top of my head guys and all those teams were pretty good considering they made the playoffs and in some cases went deep in the playoffs.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Yeah, but T.O. is the reason the Eagles fell apart as a team and the Cowboys and Pats were already winners when Owens and Moss arrived. Moss was not a circus act when the Vikings were good b/c Chris Carter was there to keep him in line. Steve Smith is the closest you get, but the Panthers haven’t exactly been winners, have they. And Ochocinco? The Bengals aren’t exactly a model franchise. Or perhaps they are? They trade away a showboat diva receiver for peanuts and they make the playoffs the next year….(by the way, I think they should resign Johnson, I’m just saying).
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 2, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with your assessments
T.O. was the reason the Eagles even made it to the Superbowl and also played on a broken ankle in that game and played very well. He had an unfortunate departure but that didn’t cause the Eagles to fall apart because they still had success after his departure (even if it was though that just proves the point that he helped lift that team).
The Cowboys were a wreck before Owens got there, that’s why they were going through constant coaching changes and couldn’t find a #1 WR for the life of them (Dez Bryant and Keyshawn Johnson were their top 2 WRs and both were sad).
Moss certainly was a circus act as a Viking. Do you not remember the fake pants pull down in Green Bay? The Vikings grew tired of his antics and sent him packing.
Steve Smith has been very good and the Panthers for the early part of the 2000s were one of if not THE team to beat in the NFC. Recent struggles are not his fault.
As far as Ochocinco during his time with the Bengals the guy was a beast. Produced on a weekly basis until Palmer got hurt and then his play went South. Again his teams struggles weren’t his fault but he certainly didn’t help he was the epitome of a circus act. Now he’s just old and washed up….hate to say it but it appears father time has caught up to him.
I’m glad you think they should resign Johnson. I think they should too. All I’m saying is that showboating WR’s don’t really hurt teams that much. What hurts teams are the cancerous WRs. The ones who say “just give me the damn ball” or take plays off. Johnson is just a ball player having fun out there. He isn’t the type to try and put his team in a bad spot or hurt them in any way, he just is a short sighted idiot who loves the game of football and enjoys entertaining the masses.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
So you’re not a fan of THIS team?
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chasm made his point.
But put him back in the game in the 2nd half.
Very disappointed. Didn’t think we’d win, but up 21-0 … We shouldn’t lose 21-49
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 1, 2012 4:27 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Chan, not chasm.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That wasn't the ground rule he laid out for the entire team
Rest of the game means rest of the game.
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
Stevie wasn’t scoring 5 TDs on the day
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Stevie just cost himself some $$$$
in contract negotiations. He might as well just take Buffalo’s original offer.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Jan 1, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions
or leave
and get big $$$ in F.A. and tell the Bills organization they can kiss their hometown discount goodbye.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
other teams see this too. They will penalize him as well.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Jan 1, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
seriously doubt it
The Jags really need a WR, the Colts may be moving on without Reggie Wayne, and those are just 2 examples off the top of my head of teams that have a dire need for a #1 WR. Those teams I’m sure would be willing to pay any price for him.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
How many teams went after Vincent Jackson when SD had all that trouble with him and with signing him?
Teams DO care about this stuff.
And no, Stevie is not a cancer but he is off in the clouds.
It’s not like he does these things and sets new records for the team or is part of their return to greatness. He does these things because no one is showing him a reason not to.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t they franchise him? Or he held out? He wasn’t an UFA though. Big difference.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
V Jax
never made it to F.A. The Chargers franchised him.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I don’t think he cost himself much, if anything. Teams will still overpay for potential. The point that I will laugh at is if he does get a large free agent contract paying him loads of cash elsewhere it will only enable his actions. He’ll only get worse if he sees the money.
by Todd in Texas on Jan 2, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
a very good wide receiver distracted just enough by the pomp and frivolity of the sport to be truly great.
I don’t think you can connect those two things.
I think he is a very good receiver and not a great receiver.
I think he has a tendency for showmanship.
Just because X and Y exist, doesnt mean that X affects Y. Johnson’s play is not affected by his personality.
I think you can, but admit that it’s not perfectly logical. I do think Stevie’s not all business – which isn’t a bad thing, but it’s clearly not a good thing, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think its hard to make it as a 7th round draft pick in the league, without being fully committed to the business of the game. I dont think that anybody argues he works hard to be where he is and plays his heart out on the field. Plenty of other receivers through history have had his showmanship and been “great” receivers.
I’m just wondering what particular part of his attention-seeking behavior that you see is detracting from Stevie Johnson as a player to hold him back.
Who has been a “great” receiver who has been a showman? And let’s define great. Moss and Owens put up big numbers but they played for losers when most of their antics occurred. Moss was best when he was all business in NE. Owens got himself chased out of Philly even though he was awesome for them and then helped an underachieving Dallas team underachieve.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
kinda dont think that should be a penalty
or a fine. fact is, tho, it is a penalty and he knows it. wonder what CG will have to say in the presser.
by FrankL on Jan 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Wow, the dude wants to say happy new year to everyone and gets blasted for it, weird stuff. Mad at a team in a rebuild so we take it out on one of best players who says he wants to be in Buffalo. Crazy stuff, HAPPY NEW YEAR.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
one of our best players *
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Jan 1, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
It’s absolutely not the message but the fact he did something he knew as an offensively act.
He could have held an 8ft banner on the sideline proclaiming the new year and he’d be all over sports center for a fun, legit situation
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's worth more than that
And I’m notorious for not wanting to pay big bucks for guy, but if fitzy is worth his contact, how are they low balling stevie?
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by silverstreak3k on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and that's
just what stevie is asking for. So obviously the Bills are way way less….probably in the 5-5.5 M range.
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How good would Stevie be if he had a quality qb throwing to him?
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by hoosier3 on Jan 1, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm
As good as he is at not celebrating! SJ has hurt himself besides lack of QB.
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
I just wish the Bills brass realized this and drafted a QB who doesn’t throw balls behind receivers or underthrown.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 1, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If youre going to bench Stevie
Why not run the ball? This is my problem with Gailey…we now have two stellar RB’s and no WR’s…so what does it say about a coach when he can’t recognize his strengths and weaknesses?
I thought he would go back in for the second half. Clearly this wasn’t the first time Chan’s talked to Stevie about it and he gave him consequences. Now see how he responds privately and publicly. I think it was the right move based on past experience.
by MattRichWarren on Jan 1, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tom Coughlin did the same thing to Ward for a team violation during the week.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
It was Bradshaw….and they still have Ward and Jacobs
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that matters
If we had 2 more quality (or adequate) receivers, the actions would be the same. They should be. Consistently is critical for coaches. You have to be just as strict with your stars as you do with the guy from the practice squad or players get unhappy and resentful.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get it, but my point was it didn’t really hurt the team b/c they have something else there at that position. More a comment on our depth than anything.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 2, 2012 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
I hope they resign him and he has a chance to learn from his mistakes as a Bill.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh. Dude doesn’t get the meaning of “team.” Which is too bad, as he’s a pretty good player.
This sort of dork horse caca is too much, and I’m glad he got benched. No individual is ever bigger than the team – even Thurman, who was benched a couple times.
Shame to see it end this way, though. If I was Nix, I’d cut him yet tonight.
Hes a team player
I’ve never seen anything to the opposite.
You can be attention-seeking, but still be a team guy, and care alot for the team.
by Xaviermw on Jan 1, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pre-meditated scrawling something on a t-shirt before a game, then taking a 15 yd penalty to show it off isn’t team play in my world. But, to each their own.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Its not a team play.
But I also dont think it’s anti-team.
Its just him having fun.
I honestly think hes a team guy too, hes just a showboater in those situations.
But from what he has said, hes always a team guy, and never throws anybody else under the bus. That to me shows hes a team guy.
I think the showboatness and being a team guy don’t have to be mutually exclusive. But I see where you are coming from.
I’m old school. To me, Barry Sanders tossing the ball to the ref and in his own words “always act as if you’ve been there before and will be there again” is the way to be a team player. Don’t bring attention to yourself. Your acts on the field should be all the attention a team player needs.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Spiller seems to get it right when he scores.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
a teamn player does not hand tom brady a free 15 yards in a game where you're out - talented big time and every inch and break counts. no way.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think
he had the intention of the penalty.
Definitely it was short-sighted on his part. But I dont think it means the he aims benefit himself at the expense of the team.
how can you convince yourself he “had no intention of the penalty?” did he write out his t-shirt while running his route on that play?
for heavens sake. HE PLANNED IT!
and yes – to me, that is putting self above the team.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
He did the same thing last year and wasn’t penalized.
So his rationale was that he wouldn’t be this year.
So thats the rationale behind it, whether we agree with it or not. And its not malicious rationale.
this is circular logic, and making excuses for the kid. if he doesn't act the ass, this conversation doesn't happen.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not
but I just dont think he means to act like an ass.
And its ignorant on his part, but it also doesnt mean hes a bad guy.
by Xaviermw on Jan 1, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think he’s a bad guy at all. And I happen to think he’s a darn good player worth what he reportedly is asking for in salary. Def a key cog of a young Bills team very much worth building an offense around.
That being said – I refuse to grant him cart blanche for acting the ass.
How can a person “not mean to act the ass?”
This example today is pre-meditated asshat acting in a game that the Bils obviously wanted bad – considering their 1st quarter play calling.
He HURT HIS TEAM by acting the asshat, whether he “meant” it or not.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
That is not circular logic at all.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
In fact it is just regular logic
He wrote on a shirt before. He didn’t get a penalty. Therefore he concluded he wouldn’t get a penalty again. Personally I think that’s pretty sound reasoning.
by beninbrooklyn on Jan 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing I can think of that would make any of this bad logic is Stevie assuming that NFL officiating would be consistent.
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Good one !
At least there’s a little humor on this thread
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your right of course...
cause this week we were playing Billicheat….
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can be attention-seeking, but still be a team guy, and care alot for the team.
that may sound good in theory, but in practice stevie has proven otherwise. if you truly are a team guy and care alot for the team as you say then why do things you know will hurt the “team” you so care about? that’s the point, and he clearly doesn’t get it yet. maybe going to a big market team will tickle his fancy to be that type of a player.
I get where everyone is coming from, but if the idea was not to overtly do things to hurt the team, taking out Stevie is the same darn thing. It’s like teaching a kid not to hit by hitting the kid. Bench Stevie when Fitz is being super accurate = hurting the whole team. Taking away a playmaker in the last game of the season against a division rival with a horrible history against us = hurting the whole team.
"Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right." ~ Ani Difranco
Okay Chan, turn all of the...eh, tools...into weapons!
baseball coaches do it all the time…a player doesn’t run out a grounder, or makes stupid mental errors, they ride the pine for the rest of the game….and the other players take notice and learn…“hey, i better not let that happen to me”. i just hate it when players make it about themself over the team….especially one who drops as many balls as he does.
there are also 162 baseball games
and only 16 NFL games. And I disagree with doing it to a star player, during the last game of the year, against your bitter foe, for an entire game, especially during tough contract negotiations. I don’t disagree with benching him…just not for the entire game a quarter or a half would have sufficed and got the message across.
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by panekattack on Jan 1, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So if Hagan did it you would be okay with the benching?
Where’s the cut-off between benching or not? Chandler okay to do it? Nelson?
.
When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 1, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
what I meant by doing it to a star player
was that by benching Stevie for the entire game it hurt the offense and the defense. The offense wasn’t clicking as good, the defense had to be on the field too often, and all in all it made the coaching staff look bad for blowing a 21 pt. lead. Hagan cannot do what Stevie does. He could have gotten the same message across to Stevie and benched him for a quarter or half and the team still may have pulled out a victory. Instead now all we have is another loss and more excuses and more question marks.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
chan has a little bit of old time religion in him
and stevie has surfer boy in him…
bottom line was the game was over with the bills
once they pulled stevie and chan abandoned, per usual
the run…..
of course, defense remains horrible, the elephant in the
room…..
Instilling discipline hurt our chances of winning today, but needed to be done. The idea that discipline is an outdated idea in today’s NFL is ridiculous. Tom Coughlin is notorious as a disciplinarian, Bill Belichick cut Randy Moss after his complaining about money, etc. It’s a much bigger danger to let internal rules get flaunted. I thought Stevie looked silly last time he got in trouble. Now he looks dysfunctional.
by JapanJohn on Jan 1, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chan had to bench him after saying he would bench people for drawing celebration penalties, but he shouldn’t have said that in the first point. Chan sounded like he wished he didn’t have to bench Johnson for that. I hope both Stevie and Chan learned their lessons.
"We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electricity." -- Munchausen
you're point suggests
this is all about Stevie because you’re saying benching him hurt us as if this is stevie’s team. stevie’s deliberate disobedience to his coach’s request knowing the consequences hurt the team, not Chan’s decision. I think any mature teammate with an understanding of team ethics will not look at Chan as if he’s the bad guy, but instead will pull stevie aside and hold him accountable for his actions that hurt the TEAM. why is that so hard for people to understand? only selfish players will fault Chan.
Not taking any action tells players the coach doesn’t agree with an established rule. There very well could be heat on coaches via the league to take action on their players and police these situations accordingly.
Goodell has a heavy hand and i’m sure Gailey feels he’s under a microscope as well, and proceeding as he does shows the league he’s on board with their policies.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
And for the record
I don’t have a problem with Stevie doing what he did today, it wasn’t malicious and it was improperly received. I have a problem with him disobeying a set of rules likely in place by his coach and ignoring the ones in place by the league.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions
And I have a very serious problem with what Aaron Hernandez did because his action was expressly intended to be malicious. But goosestepping into the endzone like a Nazi stormtrooper is perfectly ok…especially when you play for one of the teams the league makes allowances for.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
roger craig and deion sanders were high stepping like that years ago.
to call it “goosestepping” is looking for a comparison that just doesn’t exist.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
So, showing that your shirt says “Happy New Year” with no opposing players around and deliberately facing away from them is taunting but high-stepping it into the endzone to show up the defender that is chasing you isn’t?
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
yep.
they are two different things which you apparently don’t get.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Even the announcers
were surprised he got away with it. Particularly because he was staring down Wilson as he did it.
Harooo
by Robot Nixon on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Gailey’s actions toward Stevie have nothing to do with N.E.‘s behavior. Chan is handling his own shiz. Good for him. I remember Mike Tomlin sitting Rashard Mendenhall down his rookie year due to a lack of understanding of the playbook. Tomlin could’ve stuck to the simple plays, but instead he drew a strong line.
again, the most obvious element of ne
is they do have a different set of rules.
is it not a bit bizarre they always win at home.
they get the calls, like the bs pass interference penalty
on 3rd and 15 when the bills still were in the game…
you ask yourself about the hernandez play and are left
to conclude, the pats have the refs on a platter
Yep
You solved Buffalo’s issues, its NE ability to control NFL and the referee’s. Damn the NFL and its desire to beat down the Buffalo Bills! TE’s and Buffalo D is like all you can eat sign. Don’t get mad at Hernandez ripping D like every TE before him has! The Bill’s are in flux, but don’t use some lame Pat’s se of rules as excuse for our teams lack of org. and talent. Can we cover a TE?
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
and THAT is the point. immaturity looks and says “well i dont think its wrong, etc.” you don’t make the rules. agree or disagree, either you obey or not and risk any consequence. he chose to disobey the league AND his coach. let’s not forget people, this is not his first rodeo. as Chan said in a presser before, multiple times means its habit and bad habits need to be dealt with. GO CHAN for doing your job.
Just Ludicrous
reading some of these comments and the whole situation. This is one of the few very good if not “great” players on this Bills team who we not only need because we have nobody to replace him, but also has shown he does deserve to be in the NFL and starting and people are already saying he should be gone? How ignorant can one be?!
I don’t disagree with the benching, but the length of the benching. Sit him out for a quarter, for the rest of the 1st half but for god’s sake not the whole game. Chan hurt his team, hurt his quarterback, and took all the wind out of the Bills sails by making this “rule” of his to sit a guy the whole game.
I certainly didn’t know by showing a message under your shirt was considered a prop, how many other people did? He did the same thing last year and people loved it and the only one he hurt was himself and his wallet. I didn’t know the rule changed over the past year and I’m sure neither did Stevie, or most fans in general.
This only hurts the negotiations that much more and I kind of hope Stevie stands firm now with his contract demand. He is certainly worth 7.5 and if the Bills aren’t willing to pay him that I’m sure some other team will be out there willing to pay him even more. Maybe a team that doesn’t mind it’s players having fun as long as they’re producing. He’s loved the city of Buffalo and its’ fans and to see people turn on him so quickly and become so jaded just makes me a little sick.
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by panekattack on Jan 1, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh come on. Chan didn’t “hurt the team.” For love of Pete – Johnson is accountable for his own actions. If you want to play the fool – don’t point fingers at the people that hold you accountable for playing the fool.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
tell that to Fitzpatrick
and the quality of the receivers he had to throw to. Or the defense that had to keep trotting out there because the offense couldn’t keep drives going and stay on the field.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
that is called enabling the moron. which doesn’t benefit the team in the long run.
johnson is accountable for his own actions. not chan.
you can spin it any way you like – but if johnson doesn’t act the fool and put self above team,
we aren’t having this conversation, are we?
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And a quarter or first half benching would have sufficed
If this was a home game and you worked hard for your $ to pay to see star players make plays and then have them sat and watch your team squander a 21 point lead you wouldn’t be upset?
Also you keep saying Johnson acting like a fool. Did you even KNOW that lifting your shirt to show a nice message (by nice I mean it wasn’t malicious in any way) was considered a prop? Johnson was just trying to have fun doing what he loves and appreciating the fans. I’m sure if he knew it would have gotten him a flag he wouldn’t have done it.
He could have done a lot more to “act the fool” as you say. He could have had a different message written saying Pay Me or I want my money. He could have went to the ground again and got the foul.
Nobody claimed all these things when David Nelson made the Bills look foolish ignoring all of his teammates in Dallas sprinting down the sideline to give his GF a football. People just want to crucify some people and totally ignore others.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Lets see:
1.) I pay to see my team win. Not for individual players who think they are bigger than the team make like an idiot.
2.) Yes, I knew that – so if a couch fan like me knew it – he should have.
3.) He did sufficient work to get benched by the coach of the team. David Nelson’s act was goofy, too. But Johnson has an on going history of this crap that obviously the COACH of the team had enough of – whether we agree with it or not.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
well then that's where we differ
I pay to be entertained. To see some big plays, hopefully a good fun endzone celebration and if all goes well a win.
The other points I’m not even going to get into because we just seem to be worlds apart in what we want, expect, and enjoy in football.
Best of luck to ya Bill adios!
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He should have known it could/would have been a penalty since he got fined for the “why so serious” shirt last year. What David Nelson did was, oddly enough, within the rules because it took place on the sideline where such antics were fair game.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not true
Stevie was flagged for falling to the ground in the back of the endzone in New England last year…off the field so it technically was within the rules but was still flagged.
Also getting fined for something and getting a flag are 2 diff things. He was fined for the why so serious shirt which only directly affected him…not his team. This happy new year shirt should have been the same, but apparently the rules changed and now it’s considered a prop.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
The back of the end zone isn’t good enough. They will let players leap into the stands, but that’s about it. Anything else, you have to take it to the sidelines.
He should have been flagged for the shirt last year, but wasn’t. It happens that refs miss calls. However, the commissioner’s office doesn’t miss fines.
Nice
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
put self above team,
Mark Kelso’s quoting ‘the late’ John Wooden was great, “Anything you do to draw attention to yourself in a team game is not good.”
by JapanJohn on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ask Ronnie Harmon about this.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I might just flag this for the simple fact that you mentioned Ronnie Harmon.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
ask his teammates
and im sure each one of them will back the coach…there is no “I” in team. to me…a bigger joke would be benching him for a series or quarter…that is meaningless. you want make a point, make sure the penalty has some teeth to it. baseball got it right…take a banned substance, its a 50 game penalty…repeat offender…100 games.
In the past, his teammates have supported him
with those things publicly. Just saying, he is not a divisive locker room figure.
Dont compare this to steroids.
its about the rules
you break the rules, and there are consequences. if you are a repeat offender, the consequences go up. he broke a league rule (again) and a team rule…and he did it with premeditation. if benching him means that he doesn’t want to resign here, so be it. the problem with this team is on defense, not offense.
haha well
I can honestly say I’m glad you’re not running this franchise then and leave it at that.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
well last time I checked
these guys are playing a game and are paid to ENTERTAIN. That’s what football is about ENTERTAINMENT.
The rules of life and society in general are not in play here because what is acceptable or expected of us in our lives or jobs are not the same as these guys. I don’t play for the Bills and neither do you.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I get where you’re coming from, sir – and respect it because its what works for you – but i’m trying to picture vince lombardi telling his team to entertain the masses and i just can’t conjur it up. :)
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya
but the coaching style, players, and expectations have all changed. No longer is the NFL the tough ground n pound to win games. It’s all about the exciting deep play aerial attacks. No longer are the days of the gladiators roaming the field ready to just keep beating their opponents and pounding them until they can’t get up (there’s rules against that just ask James Harrison).
I don’t think Lombardi or any other past coach could survive in todays NFL where free agency has diminished a lot of rivalries and people have little to no patience for struggling teams and coaches. Most fans tune in to see the big plays and excitement that comes along with it not to just see who wins and loses.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Hmm. You make a good point – and likely a very true one at that.
Unfortunate, but true.
I’d argue that winning never goes out of fashion. I’d rather win 6-3 than lose 49-21 with a boob on the bench.
But, again – you make a great point. Now, GET OFF MY LAWN! :)
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm
Can it be two boobs on the bench, I like them in pairs! :)
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by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is easy.......the one in your hand :-)
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"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
always the right side....
:-)
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
good old herman edwards
“you play to win the game”….i don’t give a crap if buffalo is the least entertaining team in the world if they went 13-3 and won the afc east.
Jags win games
and may be leaving Jacksonville because fans don’t show up. If you’re not entertaining…..you won’t have a team in your town for long. People show up to be entertained not to just see who wins and who loses.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
says you
I find his TD celebrations rather entertaining. And yes I also miss the T.O. popcorn celebration, the Chad Ochocinco H.O.F. jacket, and many others. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean nobody else does.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
a steroids comparison
has nothing to do with this at all.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
I played sports long enough to know that I hate coaches who will preach during practice that they won’t play the players who put themselves above the team, but come game time, the divas and the guys who skip out on practice are still playing ahead of the guys who have (questionably) less talent and give everything they’ve got.
Enough is enough. Stevie needed to be taught a lesson, and Gailey needed to show the team who’s the boss. He can’t let the inmates rule the asylum. And just because he did it, that doesn’t mean that Stevie can’t or shouldn’t come back next year… assuming he finally got the message.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yes exactly
fans here act as if this is the church softball team….
stevie did much less than hernandez, a pure in your face
taunt….
we did not even know what stevie did, since his shirt was shown to fans
in the endzone…
i thought it must have been foul language, not happy new year….
the league has issues, serious issues, stevie is the least of their problems…
the bills shoot themselves in the foot again, never ending train wreck….
chan needs therapy……
Had to sit him
probably opened the door for the end of a business relationship.
but probably should resign him.
"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420
by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 1, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions
You dont sit a guy to teach him a lesson
that you dont care that much about keeping.
I agree. If Gailey didn’t care about Stevie, he wouldn’t have acted as he did. I’m sure he wants to reel him in. He definitely didn’t love the amount of time it appears Stevie pays to Gailey’s appearance.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't sound like that post game
Chan felt sincerely bad about having to do it and Stevie fully understood and was very positive.
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
Thats a very good sign.
Stevie’s a good guy.
That's the irony
If he was one of the prima dona jerks you see every Sunday that’s one thing, but he’s not
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
Im sure Chan wants him back
along with every quality player he can get his hands on, especially on O.
Fallout will be in negotiations which the coach will not have any part of.
"Will&Work2Win"coach Karma420
by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Gailey did what he had to do
Stevie knew better. He refuses to grow up. It’s not about whether Stevie thinks the message is innocent or not, it’s about what he has been told by his coach. He deliberately disobeyed his coach and showed his immaturity and refusal to grow up, especially when you are fighting for a contract extension saying how much you want to remain a Bill. I for one love the statement Chan made not just to Stevie but to the rest of the team. Stevie will NOT be a Bill next season after this fiasco. And he shouldn’t be. If he does, that shows they reward players for misbehavior simply b/c they have talent. Chan showed guts and how much he did not care if that TD gave him back2back 1,000 yd seasons. Time to go hard after Meachem in the off season. I don’t want V Jax. GO CHAN! GO BILLS!!!!
new defense of 2012
FS: Jairus Byrd (Has proven himself as the FS of this team in my eyes…his tackling skills have progressed, as well as stabilizing his great play in coverage from his rookie campaign)
SS: Tyvon Branch/ LaRon Landry (This free agent class is strong with defensive backs, and the Bills should invest in a seriously respected safety to instantly upgrade the secondary and create turnovers. Plus George Wilson is just not that good…watch the dude play.
CB: Jarret Bush/Tracy Porter: (Get an experienced winner in our secondary. Let Barnett be the proven/winning inspiration of the linebackers, and let a super winning coverage guy inspire the secondary. Either of these guys, or a solid 2nd round pick would be an immediate help on D)
CB: Justin Rogers (Hopefully he can mold into a Sam Shields like guy for us…he has surely proven himself in the return game as well as displayed great amounts of speed+awareness in the coverage game)
CB: Aaron Williams (He is very raw but he will be our number 1 guy, and will make pro bowls…watch)
LOLB: Courtney Upshaw (He will be an immediate 7+ sack performer, and will epitomize the hard nosed/blue chip/southern talent that Chan Gailey loves, and will make us not thaaaat pissed that we couldnt snag Von Miller)
MLB: Sheppard (If he could be that London Fletcher type player for us and be the tackling machine on our D, he could be wearing blue, red, and white for a while..I could just see it)
MLB: Nick Barnett (By far the most consistent, and proven player on our D, he will continue to be our leader.)
ROLB: Arthur Moats (The most crucial piece to our 2012 defense in my opinion. He has great potential to be a strongly respected pass rusher and get sack numbers that could help us win games. His rookie year I saw sparks of him being the future premier pass rusher of the Bills, but this year I am not as sure because I expected AT LEAST 6 sacks under his belt…but hes still young and raw. Next year or never in my opinion for Moats.)
DE: Jarret Johnson/Vinny Curry/ Melvin Ingram (Jarret Johnson would be incredible, as he is definitely in my opinion one of the toughest players in the AFC. I am unsure if the Ravens plan on re-resigning him, but he would be an incredible sign by the Bills front office. I would be insanely happy with Vinny Curry from Marshall as well, as he could potentially slip into the 2nd round and become a dominant defensive end to compliment the young and vicious linebackers, as well as Meatball and Dareus. Melvin Ingram could as be a crucial 2nd round pick that could be a potentially dominant force on our D. The main point is that we need a solid pass rush to be succesful on the defensive side of the ball.
DT: Kyle Williams (He will recover from his injury, and he will hold down his nose tackle position like no other. He as well has a lot of gas left in his tank.)
DE: Marcell Dareus (He is fantastic. Although his numbers have looked better since being the NT, he could still be a STUD at end, and compliment Meatball and the young one real nicely. Dareus is my favorite player on defense right now, because he is the first Bills pick that I feel confident will be a star after his rookie campaign.)
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 1, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions
A little our of place
but ROLB and DE are off. Moats is bad in run support. and those players you put at DE are not 3-4 DEs, they would play ROLB. If we had vinny curry at ROLB and Carrington/Edwards at DE then yes. Also no way we get a FA to play SS, when we have wilson and searcy. At CB I would rather get a guy like Thomas from the giants who is a FA. idk about Courtney Upshaw not a top 10 pick..
You are now Watching The Throne.
First
The rule is ridiculous, however, it cost his team a 15 yard penalty. If Gailey said not to do it then you don’t do it. I understand the benching.
officially sick of no fun league
football is an entertainment business. this isn’t church or the floor of the senate. profanity aside, I see no harm in td celebrations. I enjoy them very much. I don’t get the whole disrespecting the game thing, it’s just a game. I don’t think by itself, celebrations shows a player to hold himself above the team. the real problem is uptight NFL execs taking the fun out of the game.
Isn’t the Fun of the League watching football played well? Scoring a touchdown on a sweet play is the entertainment – not what some asshat does after the play to draw attention to themselves.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not calling you an asshat, sir – I just don’t get the excessive celebration thing. Spike the ball. Hug your teammates. But all else? Eh – I just don’t get it.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
don’t understand the fun of something? fine. let those of us who enjoy it, do so. and I understood that the name calling was directed to 13, one of the best recievers the team has ever had.
no, the fun to me is the game itself. not the silly side show crap.
and if steve johnson is one of the best receivers the bills have ever had? oh heavens.
there are 20 ahead of him.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
fine, we both get the game play. the sideshow doesn’t take anything away from that! reminds me of watching games with my grumpy grandfather. “that polamalu would make a hell of a football player if he just cut that hair!” GET OFF MY LAWN!
lol – maybe you’re right my friend! but there is a difference between having long hair and acting the fool. i enjoy the game itself.
ask yourself this: did you ever see jerry rice act the asshat? steve largent? tim brown? marvin harrison?
Nope.
if we want the bills to be competitive at least, and winners at best – i don’t think its unfair that we hold them to the gold standard of what entails being a great player. which means not only producing between the lines, but acting professional, too.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Acting like a professional with tact and class doesn’t have bounds.
Again – Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders, Walter Payton are the gold standard. Ever see them act like an ass?
Nope.
Heck, Kelly as outgoing and competitive as he was never made such a fool of himself and put himself above team.
by LeClaire Bill on Jan 1, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
acting professional in an entertainment business is pretty vague
I guess I don’t think of sports as an entertainment industry but maybe I should. Any job where you can get dropped on your head seems really serious. What makes me nervous about silly, pre-meditated TD celebrations is imagining that the athlete is actually using brain cells on such an unhelpful activity.
Perfect time to send Stevie a message
Gailey needed to show Stevie that he can’t keep costing the team 15 yards like this, especially after he had just promised that he wouldn’t do it again. Gailey also needed to show the other 52 players who’s the boss on this team. This was the perfect game to bench Stevie because the Bills were no longer playing for a playoff spot. So they lost without him… so what? You wouldn’t want to have your best receiver benched while the team is still in the playoff hunt, so this gave Gailey the perfect chance to lay down the law and try to hammer the message through Stevie’s thick skull.
Having said that, I still say they need to re-sign him and keep him in Buffalo. He is their best receiver, and they can’t afford to lose him to free agency.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Disagree .....it was a chicken sh!t time to overreact
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
In what way was it either bad timing or an overreaction? Gailey needs to keep the discipline on the team, so you have to send a message to a player who repeatedly costs his team with unnecessary celebration penalties. As for the timing, the Bills were no longer playing for a playoff spot, so this is a great time to sit your disciplined star receiver as compared to a more meaningful game early in the season.
Sure, I would have loved to have seen the Bills cost the Patriots the #1 seed, but in the big picture, what does today’s outcome matter to the Bills other than draft position?
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Had a chance to sweep the Pats and take HFA throughout away. That’s better than any draft pick we could have gotten
Kenny Powers is back!
No
Not really.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
So beating the Patriots. and hurting their SB chances is better than picking 1 spot lower than had we won?
I’ve been a guy who wanted to lose for the pick but winning this game would have been awesome.
Kenny Powers is back!
But never a real possibility.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 1, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
My Goal
SB
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bad timing
As for the timing, the Bills were no longer playing for a playoff spot,
that is why…..the players know this too. I did the same thing once as a young coach and it accomplished little because players knew I wouldn’t do it if the game mattered…..and they were right. I overreacted and it completely backfired.
what does today’s outcome matter to the Bills
Players lose respect for coaches went they act like this. Chan is old enough to know better.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
But if you do nothing, then all of the players know your threats are empty and you have lost all discipline. Now that the players know that nobody, not even their star receiver, is above Gailey’s law, they can respect his words. If Stevie pulls another stunt next year, the benching needs to be repeated, even if it’s the first game of the season, to maintain discipline.
Once Gailey loses control of the players, he’s useless as the head coach.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't get me wrong.....Chan had to do something
I would have been OK with benching him for the rest of the first half and a big fat fine. I just think the whole game was an overreaction.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
If it had been somebody’s first time, then it’s an overreaction. We’re talking about a repeat offender who seems to need a lesson on being a team player. Even other players were agitated by his antics.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what was his punishment for his offense prior to this one?
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
He was given a warning after the Jets game
This was strike three.
to me....that is not a logical progression of punishment
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Do you think Ndamokung Suh should have received a one-quarter or one-half suspension for stomping on a prone player’s arm because he hadn’t been warned about doing that? Granted, his transgressions were more severe, but he had been fined several times. Since the message wasn’t sinking in, he needed to be suspended two games for his actions. (Personally, I felt that two games was not severe enough.) While Stevie’s actions aren’t aimed at injuring opposing players, there comes a point where ignoring repeated warnings will earn you a punishment that will wake you up. (Or, you will continue to be stupid and will get cut from the team.)
I feel that the in-game suspension was both warranted and reasonable. Obviously, you and I disagree. I think it is vital for Gailey to maintain control of the players. Since we don’t have elite talent, we need everybody to play together as a team. Look at the mess the Eagles got themselves into this season — great talent, zero discipline. So much for the “Dream Team” waltzing through the season on their way to a Super Bowl victory. Andy Reid could be fired because of it.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we agree on everything except what the punishment should be....
and that is OK. Ultimately, Chan is the coach…not me. I just hope this doesn’t hurt our chances of resigning Stevie or is used by the Bills FO as a reason not to pay the man.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Actually, I think he was up to at least strike four. He had the “why so serious?” shirt last year, and while he didn’t get flagged, it was an incredibly silly stunt given that the Bills were still down by 10 points at the time. This year, I think he did a TD celebration in the first Patriots game where he fell to the ground after firing am imaginary minuteman gun, he mocked Plaxico Burress and Santonio Holmes in the Jets game, then pulled the t-shirt stunt again today. Yes, he’s a colorful character and the best receiver the Bills have, but he needs to be a better team player when he reaches the end zone.
Players lose respect for coaches who say they will hold players accountable for certain actions, then don’t. It’s a game of chicken. Stevie was told not to do anything like this, but he did it anyway. Do you really think it’s better to let him get away with it and do nothing?
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes.......I agree he had to be held accountable
It is the amount of the punishment that I have an issue with along with the timing of it.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
accomplished little because players knew I wouldn’t do it if the game mattered
Haven’t you answered your own question? Of course no one will respect your discipline if it’s only applied when convenient. Hopefully a player won’t put Gailey into this position again, but if they do, then Chan should follow whatever the team rules are. If that means you sit for the rest of the game, then you sit. But, God I hope our players are more mature than to get into a showdown with the head coach over team rules.
exactly
it was not a meaningless game.
they needed to beat NE in NE…
his benching was the distraction.
his benching was the beginning of the end of the offense.
21 0 0 0………
pathetic way to end the season on chan and stevie{s part
no winners here, they both look petty and weak and stupid
I disagree
Gailey did the right thing. I blame him and Fitzpatrick for the lack of points on the board after the 1st quarter, but it had little to do with the benching, IMO. They stopped running the ball down the Patriots throats and Fitzpatrick made a couple mistakes and packed it in for the day. That’s what lost us this game. The ToP was nearly even, and if you want a shot at the Pats, it needs to be 2:1 in your favor or so because the only thing the Pats have going for them is their passing offense. Keep the ball away from Brady and you win the game.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Citi Field loves the mets so much it smothers them. -the caveman
by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 8:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I support Chan Gailey 100%
Only for this situation though…
:)
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 1, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
AND
Sign Matt Flynn, let him duke it out with Fitz, and be able to draft defensive players and increase on both sides of the ball. Flynn would beat out Fitz by week 3, Fitz never broke records..Matt Flynn did in one game..AND he throws the rock nicely in cold weather which translates nicely when playing in Buffalo.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions
Two words
Rob Johnson
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Citi Field loves the mets so much it smothers them. -the caveman
by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I immediately thought the same thing.
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
stevie knew exactly what he was doing
it was on a chris brown blog that stevie’s son told him it was ok to do this. his son tweeted him about it, and there was mention of his wife being ok with it.
either he is really stupid, or he secretly really wants out of buffalo.
or
He wanted to make his son happy… The nerve of the man!
Harooo
by Robot Nixon on Jan 1, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He wanted to make his son happy… The nerve of the man!
I would rather my dad spend the upcoming $10K or so he will be fined on toys to make me happy.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 1, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
^
If we could snag Blackmon and let Stevie go….im down with it.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 1, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions
Nothing like creating more holes to fill!
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
by hoosier3 on Jan 1, 2012 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What does Stevie care?
He’s getting his payday no matter what and he sees the team is going nowhere fast. He’ll be playing for big bucks for long after the current Bills management is gone. It’s not like the game was important or anything in his estimation.
You are implying Stevie doesn’t care if he wins or loses, as long as he gets paid. Honestly, I don’t think that’s a fair argument to make. He works hard at his craft, and was a 7th rounder who is now one of the better WRs in the league, who has an average-at-best QB throwing to him. Obviously, he wants to win. He just also works in time to have fun, and has made a few poor decisions.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Stevie’s not a team player. I’m sure Coach Gailey explicitly told him not to do it. You do not have a disciplined organization if insubordination is tolerated. TV showed George Wilson talking to Johnson on the sidelines immediately after it happened, I doubt Wilson was congratulating Johnson on his TD catch.
Sure Johnson cares about winning and losing, but that’s not the same as team discipline I don’t see Johnson picturing himself leading the Bills to the Super Bowl..
Chan's looking for a scapegoat
He ought to have benched himself. Up 21-0 and operating out of the 5-wide set. Nice decision, Chan. Stevie cost the Bills 15 yards, Chan cost them more than a few games.
TO HELL AND BACK BABY THATS WHAT TEAMS GOING TO EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY COME TO PLAY TO BUFFALO IM ON A HIGH WAYYYY TO HELLLL ROCK ON BILLS THE WAGON IS ABOUT TO TAKE OF
-abayarde
by aranearum on Jan 1, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
How any team only rushes the ball 15 times in an entire game when they are up 21-0 in the first quarter is beyond amazing to me.
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Jan 1, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
yea, chan has a problem with game management
and recognizing that when you bench your best wide receiver
you need to adjust your play calling lol……….
was anyone else yelling run the darn ball most of the 2nd, 3rd
and 4th, well never mind, blowout was in play at that point…..
Chan acted 100% correct.
I love his press conference where he talked about it, and both lampooned the rule, and explained why he stuck with his guns.
And Stevie apologized for his actions.
Stevie acted in a short-sighted way, but it was based on the fact that he didnt get a penalty for it last year. Stevie acted wrong, but honestly, its not that bad.
I think just people in general need to calm down about this, hes a good player, a good guy, and a showboaty guy. He works hard and does alot more positive than negative.
I just think its silly if you don’t want Stevie Johnson on your team.
by Xaviermw on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
He might not have been penalized for it last year, but he was fined. He should have realized from the fine that the refs should have flagged him for it, but they missed it. Unless you’re fined for unapproved equipment, you were fined for something that should have been a penalty. Obviously, he didn’t learn his lesson last year… or a few weeks ago, either.
by SiriusRed on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well if they are gonna go around fining for missed calls
They should start fining refs for missed calls. Flo’s block on Brady was a ridiculous penalty.
Harooo
As much as I hated that call
Refs are just trying to call what they see out there.
Sure its ridiculous to protect Brady like that, but you don’t fine the refs from calling what they saw as somebody going after the star QB maliciously. Even if it wasnt anything like that.
I just think fines in general are silly and should be reserved for only harsh instances.
There has to be some accountability for the refs
If I sucked at my job there would be consequences. Year in and year out we see the same refs blow calls that change the outcome of the game. Yet we still see that same ref the next year.
Harooo
Definitely, we need more officiating turn-around
its just, good new refs might be as bad as bad old refs.
If that makes sense.
Maliciously???
Flo even pulled up when he saw who he was blocking!!! Brady took a dive and got a ridiculous call, plain and simple…
I have never been more disgusted with a call by the officials before that… Once the int happened, and Brady began trotting over toward where Bennett was running, he is no longer a QB but a defender, MAKING him fair game, and yet as I said, Flo PULLED UP, when by rights, he could have justifiably drilled him….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
yep
had Brady just not moved at all and got hit that would be one thing. He went down field and put himself in prime position to be blocked a lot harder then he was.
Harooo
He got fined last year. Ergo, it was a penalty that the refs on the field missed but the league felt was noteworthy. I’m sure this was all explained to Stevie in a letter from the league and by his coach on multiple occassions. But this shouldnt matter. Most receivers don’t break the rule 4-5 times in an effort to figure out what they should or shouldnt be doing — they know its a bad idea.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're assuming it was explained in a letter.
I know everyone throws around the term, “I bet he’ll be getting ‘a letter’ from the league office for that!” Do any of us even know what the supposed letter contains or if it even actually exists? With Goodell at the helm, I bet the letter reads…
To whom it may concern:
You are being fined $XXXXX.XX for such and such. It will be automatically deducted from your next huge paycheck, it’s clearly not enough to matter to you, and we all know I’m just doing this to appease the masses who think this league actually makes sense with its rules. I also would like for you to do this again so that I can, in fact, show the world that I am indeed The Man.
Sincerely,
The Rodge
Where u guys going to be send. You will not need prayers you do not need your soul. You will be in a place not even the. Undead. Walk.
-abayarde
by APhoenixDestiny on Jan 1, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I am not assuming anything, because my view is Stevie is responsible regardless of what the league sent him.
Most receivers in this league have avoided this issue, why does Stevie require a special class and repeatedly violating the rule in multiple ways in order for us to hold him accountable and expect him to know the rules? It’s like when a teacher says “don’t speak when I’m speaking or you go to the principals office” and some student thinks he is clever and decides to sing instead. You send him anyway. The next time you say dont speak or sing and instead he make farting noises. Just cut the crap kid and quit making your team pay for it.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sincerely,
The Rodge
Thanks for the chuckle.
Doesn’t the money from fines go the retired players? They must love Stevie and James Harrison. Those two alone have probably bought several artificial hips.
Money from fines go to whatever charity is designated by the individual player, or if none listed by the player then whatever charity designated by the NFLPA.
BTW that is SOP for many unions, not just NFLPA.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 2, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I can concede that he hasnt learn from that and it was a really ignorant move.
But “touchdown celebrations” isnt a big enough knock on a guy, for me, to really oppose him that much at all. Hes a really good player.
Yeah
I’ll take him on team but not field trips, family outings and court appearances:)
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
xaviermw
touche man…that would be deadly…
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions
he was warned
Just for the record last time he was penalized against the Jets Gailey said you talk to the guy once or twoce then there has to be some consequences for costing the team. Or words to that effect so this benching was justified and will be a good lesson because he will be back. I know.the front office seen what we seen Fitz struggled mightily w/o Stevie.
by joeyzacc on Jan 1, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ridiculous
Rules are rules, as the old addage goes. I know it, you know it, and I’m sure Stevie knows it. In that context, everything that went down was absolutely warranted. But think for a minute about how absolutely ridiculous the rule is. I know it was a prop, and props are illegal. But the prop was displaying a message that read “Happy New Year”. C’mon man, it was a message wishing everyone well in a new year, not something disparaging to the other team or specific players. I think the NFL (No Fun League) really needs to relax about the celebrations. I mean really, who is it hurting? Especially in this particular case.
Stevie likes to clown around.
Chan made a rule.
Stevie broke that rule by clowning around.
Chan enforced his rule and benched him.
Big deal, its just a standard player/coach relationship.
The only thing that matters still is that Stevie needs a contract ASAP
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
by poz on Jan 1, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd....but did the punishment fit the crime?
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
naaaaahhhh
he should see jail time!!!!
:-)
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
might be the only way to keep him in town :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Ahh
To most a Bill’s contract equates to jail time. I concur with JoeP.
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree... but will add...
In today’s NFL, a TEAM can now be held liable for repeat offenses by a player as well… If the TEAM doesn’t keep a players actions in check, that very TEAM is now subject to fines, and/or loss of draft picks….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
not sure that applies here....if guys like Hairrison
are not costing their team picks I don’t think Stevie writing on his shirt will
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Harrison get his....
fines by hitting people, not by showboating…. Big diff in my opinion…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
I agree.....Harrison is endangering players...Stevie isn't
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but
harrison was a repeat offender…and finally, he was suspended. money means nothing to these players, but missing games does. hopefully harrison…and Su for that matter, will understand that their actions affect the team.
I agree with suspending those players....teams/the league were protecting players from injury
In this case, there was no reason to be that harsh with Stevie.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Off
Off with his hands!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
hey.....that was my line :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
good point
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
by poz on Jan 1, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think the repeat offenses are criminal offenses or player safety issues, but I could be wrong.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I have to wonder...
did anyone in the locker room see Stevie with that written on his shirt before the game began? I’m sure someone had to. Did anyone say anything then? While I agree Chan should have benched him, I believe it’s also the responsibility of the team to police themselves. Where were the captains? Fitz didn’t see it? If it were the Ravens, Stevie wouldn’t have made it onto the parking lot with that tshirt.
We need some serious leadership.
by telka on Jan 1, 2012 6:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
never would have thought of that and its a really good point.
Could also have been a negotiating tactic – showing the Bills what the offense looks like without you is a good way to get the money you want.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
by poz on Jan 1, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would be an outrageously bad tactic. Showing a team you are willing to sit out a game for your own interests means I don’t want you and I’m pretty sure most coaches and GMs don’t value you as highly. This doesnt get you paid the big bucks.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 1, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Certainly an interesting point. And one i initially thought of. But I think a lot of these guys see it and let it go. Not because they don’t care, but because they know it wouldn’t be a popular move within the locker room. It would look like they would be stifling his personality. Especially since he hasn’t made his payday yet.
I don’t agree with this sentiment but it is what I surmise
by BillsfanDan on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If they gave Fitzpatrick 60 million
They better pay Stevie because Stevie is twice the player Fitzpatrick is.
Kenny Powers is back!
We need Kansas City to hang on for the win
to move ahead of them in the draft order and get to the top 10 (#10)
really?????? Crap.....I wanted to see Tebow win, but if it helps the Bills get a better pick
so they can pass on a franchise QB……Go Chiefs!!!!!
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
But, but, but, the Bills have a franchise QB. The one they just completely over-payed and deserves to be a backup.
Kenny Powers is back!
But, but, but, the Bills have a franchise QB.
Do they have flying cars yet in the future you’ve come from?
Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)
1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 1, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
where have you been????
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
can this just stop?
They paid the going rate for a QB that is league average and is streaky. They didn’t do any worse than the Chiefs with Cassel or the Cards with Kolb. It’s just so damn exhausting to go through this every damn thread.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WELCOME TO RUMBLINGS!
It’s just so damn exhausting to go through this every damn thread.
I came to that realization a while ago. It gets real frustrating to have a debate with someone on a subject, express your point and lay it all out exactly how you feel about a point, only to have someone skim what you wrote and have no idea what you really said or not read it at all (there is a ton of content around here it would be crazy if someone actually read every single comment) and you feel like you have to hash it all out all over again. Drove me nuts, so I just stopped.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This one is going to come down to the wire...
C’mon KC!
Denver already in the playoffs with the Raiders loss today
I can see....
this is going to be a longer off season than normal…
So far we have….
Our CBs suck, we need to draft a couple very early in the draft
We have no pass rush, we need OLBs, obviously first round
Fitz sucks, we need to draft a “franchise” QB, Luck/RG3/Tannyhill or bust!!!!
Our LTs keep getting hurt, we need to draft another one, in the first if the right one is there, but second definitely….
Our WR’s can’t catch, and have no speed, replace them all, and Blackmon/Floyd in the first….
Have I missed anything???
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
I really dont think tackle is a top priority
We have 3 quality starters there.
Lets get a pass rush or franchise QB in here.
Yeah
New owner and FO overhaul!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Benching was just. Benching for the ENTIRE game was ridiculous.
The 15yds didn’t even hurt team seeing as NE didn’t get any points after the kickoff. Bench him for the next couple of series or the rest of the half. Unfortunately I think this will lead to Stevie walking.
by NCblofan on Jan 1, 2012 7:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
or....
Stevie is an actual adult and not only learns from it but also goes that much further to make it up to his team.
Harooo
YES!!!!!!! They Bills are a "10"
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Only good thing is when ESPN does their mock drafts they usually only show the top 10…yay
Kenny Powers is back!
wow
That’s exactly what I thought, we are just used to losing and looking forward to drafts
by SpiderWeb Sleeves on Jan 1, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My guess.....
What would it take to move up to #5?
Locking Nix in a footlocker and someone who does a really great Ralph Wilson impersonation.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Jan 1, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
funny....
Denver’s Tebow’s are still in the playoffs…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
yep......I hope Norv still gets fired....really want him as our OC
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
he will...
so will AJ I think….
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
I think we will be drafting 9th
Looks like we jump ahead of the Dolphins and the Chiefs this week with their victories!!!
even better :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
10th because of strength of schedule.
Kind of dumb considering miami beat us twice.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 1, 2012 7:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Stevie Johnson is a Cancer
Please do not re-sign this jerk. I have never seen a more ignorant, self-centered display. Chan talked to him after the Jets game; then he pulls this?!
What an ignoramus! He just cost himself several million dollars in the free agent market.
Championships are built on high character guys, not immature, self-centered, incomplete personalities.
Stevie – don’t let the door hit you on the tuchus on your way out of town. Loser!
ever watch
I have never seen a more ignorant, self-centered display.
TO, Ochostinko, Michael Irving ??
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Frankly
Had we won the Jets game and then went on to beat the Pats after the penalty this thread wouldn’t exist. In fact Stevie would likely be all over ESPN and every other network. Instead we lost em so we’re here having this conversation.
Harooo
Sadly
You may have a point. How many times before SJ just scores and walks away with no drama? This guy is like to much drama on a losing team thats silly! I think SJ needs to walk down the yellow brick road to see the man behind the curtain. If he only had a brain!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 1, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bills should hire Jim Fassel
who is a slightly better coach than Gailey. Or Fassel could go to Jacksonville. I think Martz would be a good hire as well.
no to Martz....
has done nothing without Vermeil or his system…
Fassel is a decent assistant, but like so many others, a terrible HC…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Yeah, no thank you on Martz. Hey, we’re really mad that our coach shows a tendency to abandon the run, so let’s hire a guy that doesn’t inted to run in the first place.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 1, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
There is no controversy here
The coach makes the rules and explains the consequences. If you want to put yourself ahead of the team and do whatever you want regardless, expect to not be a part of the team the rest of the game.
As talented as he is, sadly Stevie Johnson is one of the immature players I’ve ever seen on the Buffalo Bills.
We need more leaders on the field, not head liners.
We have a leader off the field, Coach to the end. Have a great offseason for us Chan and Buddy.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
There is no I in team, but there is ME and unfortunately stevie chose the later… too bad! he had a drop as well! I think his asking price just got lowered. Thats not the kind of leader this team needs, if he would just stick to football instead of trying to be the next T.O., everyone would be happy, including his family… c’mon stevie get it straight!!!!!!!!!!
The harder you work, the luckier you get!
I see all this rhetoric about it being so detrimental to the team..
It’s a fifteen yard penalty Assessed On The Kickoff. Who the hell cares? That’s what I thought when it happened, that’s what i think now.
Ron Paul 2012
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 1, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I feel like something should be clarified.
If Chan warned the team that receiving an excessive celebration penalty would result in a benching, then Stevie would not have have acted in a way that (in his mind) could potentially result in a excessive celebration penalty.
This is not only because no player wants to be benched, but also because a 15 yard penalty clearly hurts the team, and Stevie is not a malicious player who would have any desire to hurt his team.
As several others have noted, he did basically the same thing in Cincinnati last year and the team was not penalized. Johnson was fined. But the TEAM was not hurt by his actions.
Today he essentially did the same celebration. He knew he would be fined, but he likes to have fun and thought it would be worth it. That was his choice. A fine would effect him and him alone.
Had he known that the officials would view this version of his t-shirt celebration differently than the one he did in Cincy, he would not have done it. I’ll readily admit that it was shortsighted of him and he should have considered the fact that the NFL takes touchdown celebrations very seriously (too seriously in my opinion). However, I feel that there is some sort of belief that he acted maliciously and that his celebration was a deliberate attempt to hurt the team. I don’t think that is a fair assessment. Had he known he would be flagged (thus costing his team 15 yards and thus resulting in him being benched), he would not have done it. He may not have thought it all the way through, but he shouldn’t be blamed for the NFL official’s tendency to flag certain celebrations capriciously.
I think the fact that Stevie was penalized for wishing his viewers a happy new year, while Hernandez blatantly staring down G. Wilson while high stepping into the end zone went completely unnoticed epitomizes the inconsistency and irregularity of NFL officiating in regards to unsportsmanlike conduct.
Blame Stevie for not considering all of the possible consequences of his actions, but I think it’s unfair to say that he isn’t a team player. Any team would LOVE to have this kid in their locker room and on their roster, and that’s not solely based on his talent.
by Armest07 on Jan 1, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well said
I do agree on the issue of the NFL inconsistencies too. An undershirt is a prop? Why is Aaron Rodgers simulating a belt on his waist not similar? Why can the Packers and other teams use the crowd/stands as part of a celebration? That’s a prop if an undershirt is, IMO. Hernandez can high step and taunt, drawing attention to himself, with no repercussions. The whole penalizing TD celebrations is ridiculous and out of control, and really takes away from the actual playing of the game….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Jan 1, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent points
The league really needs to address this and make it black and white. And I agree if the league considers writing on an undershirt a prop why are the other things not considered the same. Too many grey areas.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
agreed....and Chan should have been able to make that distinction as well
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Johnson took that chance when he celebrated though. Gailey said if you get a penalty that hurts the team b/c of a choice you make “if I agree with the penalty”.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 2, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
What if Stevie did a Lambeau Leap and got a penalty for that?
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Lots of Bills have done that and players around the league……don’t think there’d be anything to worry about, but if we want to pull out random hypotheticals, we can do that for the next 7 months I suppose.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 2, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
how is that random?????
seriously people…..think before you criticize what someone has said.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Um….a little overreaction perhaps?
1. I think we could pull out the “What if he” hypotheticals forever if we wanted. Hence me calling it random. If calling it random is what you thought was critical or unthinking then substitute random for some other word
2. Today you seem (see the Wannstedt post) to be getting into personal arguments here by not attacking what someone says but attacking them or their motivations/intelligence (as you did here by telling me to think). I “criticize” your point, you criticize me. So……
3. If you look at my history here, I think I generally am balanced and rarely criticize positions (I disagree and state why) and almost never criticize people. When I do, I never do it without thinking. Perhaps I could have better explained my use of the word random. I also am mildly sarcastic and try to be a little to “witty” for my own good, so maybe you caught some of that in there also.
4. I have no problems with you or what you say generally, so if you took offense, sorry….but none was meant.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 3, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough....and for the record
I wasn’t trying to call you stupid or imply you couldn’t think. I just seemed to me that maybe you didn’t take the time to see how my analogy applied before you replied. If that was not the case, then I was wrong and didn’t mean to offend you.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
No, I did <think about it and I know the point you are trying to make here and elsewhere in the comments, it’s just that I think the NFL has pretty consistently decided that’s not a prop or penalty (especially if you do it alone). Now that our little “tiff” is over (and neither of us appears offended), I don’t disagree that it shouldn’t have been a penalty, but perhaps that’s on Stevie also leaving it in the refs hands, etc. I think the refs were very lame, but ultimately, Stevie took that risk (because they’ve been pretty lame all year). And in the game thread I was very vocal that Stevie should be out there, but then I heard about Gailey’s statement to the team about celebration penalties and reversed my opinion. Stevie should have been on his best behavior to close out the season. The fact that he is taking time to plan this stuff out is sort of annoying to me actually, but that’s a story for another time (if they resign him).
Thank you thank you thank you thank you sireric for bringing the furious punching cat back into my life. - poz
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 3, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
Well said and I agree with everything. Great analysis and summary.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Perfectly stated
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Glad we benched him to send a message but we still really need him!
Stevie, I know the NFL (“No Fun League”) has cracked down ridiculously and unfairly on TD celebrations, but you have to realize that rules are rules. Celebrate in a much more subdued manner and be the mature player the team needs you to be.
That said, we need to minimize our draft needs on offense, so just one good WR in the draft to compliment Stevie would be good, so we can focus the rest (or nearly the rest) of the picks on defense. If/when we extend your contract, please be mature and smart during the course of the game. The progression of this team going forward is largely dependent on it.
retro
Disappointed in Stevie? A little.
Disappointed that I have to see 50 ridiculous mock drafts everyday on BR for the next 5 months? A lot.
Re-sign Stevie – he wants to play for Buffalo and he’s one of the most talented players on the roster. It really isn’t that difficult to figure out.
"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix
"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez
by dnvrBillsfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd!
2 + 2 = 4
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
jekyll or hyse?
Benching was warranted…Gailey made rules clear and he broke them. Gailey was right to not put him back in. On one hand Stevie has played hurt, never criticized Fitz, and has brought some much needed passion flair and play making to the Bills. on other hand he has killed momentum in two important division games ( Jets Pats) and has had two crushing game losing drops. it will be fascinating to se how everything plays out in his career regardless of whether or not his career continues with the Bills. Tough decision for Buddy.
Kent Hull for Hall of Fame
by bocephuz on Jan 1, 2012 10:10 PM EST via Android app reply actions
In true Buffalo fashion,
we will fail to resign Stevie, he’ll go to another team, probably in our division and be used against us for years to come. At least until the team gets moved somewhere else.
"THE WAGON BLASTER BELONG TO THE FANS TO THE BUFFALO NATION ONCE YOU ENTER THERE IS NO TURNING BACK WE PROTECT AND LIVE FOR THE HONOR OF RIDING IN THE WAGON BLASTER AND SERVE ALL AS ONE ENTITY THAT WILL CRUSH ALL OF DOES WHO COME TO OUR HOLLY KING DOME" - abayarde
Keep stevie. We drafting at number 10. If we dont trade up for a qb, then draft a de or lb. target good players in free agency.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Jan 1, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can’t even put into words how much I hate Gailey.
by rick p on Jan 1, 2012 11:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can someone explain y the dolphins pick 9th and we pick 10th? they beat us head to head.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
by chaucer on Jan 1, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
first tie breaker is strenght of schedule.....yea, it sucks
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
One of the dumber rules in the NFL.
Not only did they best us once, but twice, yet they still pick ahead of us.
What’s next, flag someone on New Years Day for wishing everyone Happy New Years? :-)
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
UHG
Love the Bills, love the NFL but crap like this shows why college football > pro (IMO). With a dysfunctional franchise, keep him or let him walk, at the end of the day what does it matter? 12 year draught baby.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
by uscBillsGamecock on Jan 2, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions
Think about it this way:
Stevie Johnson’s last play of the season, and possibly as a Bill, was a TD catch that put him over 1000 yards for the second consecutive year – The first Bills WR ever to do so.. Not a bad way to go out, eh?
Ron Paul 2012
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 2, 2012 2:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
amateur hour
Johnson’s act is absolutely lame. I won’t miss his amateur hour routine over the long offseason. He’s not entertaining; he flat out depresses me with his pathetic desperation. Oh well, to be honest, I won’t miss watching anyone on this sorry team over the next nine months. The Bills are a stale product and a waste of my Sundays. I am looking forward to forgetting these players ASAP.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
There's 31 other teams
perhaps it’s time for you to support another team on your precious Sundays?
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