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F.C.C. Thinking About Eliminating Television Blackouts Of Sporting Events

Empty bleacher seats in the upper deck of Ralph Wilson Stadium. Photo by Matt Warren.

The Buffalo Bills failed to sell out their final three home games of the 2011 season. Yesterday, the Federal Communication Commission began a series of events that could lead to the elimination of the practice in the National Football League and beyond.

The FCC said yesterday it was seeking public comment on whether to eliminate or change the rules for television blackouts of sporting events.

“We’re asking the government to get out of the business of propping up sports blackouts,” said Brian Frederick, executive director of the Sports Fans Coalition, which filed a petition in November to end the F.C.C.’s blackout rule with four other interest groups. “The F.C.C. has had the rule since the 1970s and has never taken a comprehensive look at it.”

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The rules have changed before on television blackout. All local sporting events used to be off television within a 75-mile radius to make tickets to the game more valuable. The 1964 AFL Championship, for instance, was not shown on television in Buffalo despite being sold out.

The rule made fundamental sense four decades ago when first instituted. From 1973 to 1979, only half the NFL games sold out and were broadcast. From 2001 to 2010, the number of blackouts fell to only 8%. In publicly funded stadiums, the rule makes much less sense. NFL teams are being supported by massive television contracts and taxpayer dollars.

In cities like Buffalo, it will be a welcome relief where even good teams have had problems selling out. The 1993 AFC Wild Card game that became the Greatest Comeback in NFL History was blacked out.

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My initial reaction is that I would love it, after all who likes blackouts? However, how low would attendance get for some games and what impact would that have on the team? I would also worry about the un-intended consequences that moves like this can also have. For instance no blackouts is awesome, NFL loses attendance, NFL decides the next TV contracts will be pay-per-view only. I’m not saying it would happen, but sometimes when government intervenes to make things better for us, it can end up biting us in the butt.

by LetsGoBflo on Jan 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Do people buy tickets because of the blackout?

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely – i’ve done it plenty of times. If there was no blackout I would just stay home

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve done it once. And the number of tickets they sell after it’s announced it will be blacked out is always a pretty low number.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That maybe, i’m not sure on the figures but wouldn’t mind seeing them if you know of a quick link, but I think the rule is o.k. as it is.

The reason is the more people at home games the more lively the atmosphere and the better your team plays. If they lax these rules and people stop going as much and you have empty seats then that could put this franchise more behind the 8 ball. It could snowball badly for smaller market teams that have issues selling out at all.

I think they should leave it as is but add the ability to purchase a game in the paper view format or when you purchase NFL Sunday Ticket you are exempt from that.

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they should leave it as is but add the ability to purchase a game in the paper view format or when you purchase NFL Sunday Ticket you are exempt from that.

Doesn’t the NFL make enough money on Sunday Ticket as it is? IF Matt is right, and he doesn’t usually say things that aren’t – blackouts DO NOT increase ticket sales appreciably. Also, the government wouldn’t be regulating anything, they would be removing a regulation and taking themselves out of the fishy business of propping up a large corporate entity (or collection thereof if you want to look at it that way).

I believe the ticket sales suffer more because of the headaches associated with game day – expensive tickets, expensive parking, expensive food. Sure, these headaches are less when the team is go, but ticket sales are still tough because for the most part the action is presented best right in HD in your living room.

The fans should not be penalized for staying home to watch what has been a horrible run of Bills’ football, especially in a puiblicly funded stadium. The blackout rules are antiquated and make no sense. I don’t buy the no blackout means no sellout logic. If the Bills play a whole season like they started off this one, every game will sellout, threat of blackout or not.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

blackouts DO NOT increase ticket sales appreciably

is it that black and white? How does black out effect TV contracts? Even so – what’s the % of sales that are or aren’t influenced by a blackout? If the blackouts were to go away would fan attendance plummet even further? This is the same NFL team that has had playoff home games blacked out.

I don’t think it’s a simple “the ticket sales don’t increase if there is a blackout” – I think there is a much bigger dynamic that is effect here. Rarely if ever do changes like this have unknown or unaccounted for repercussions without a comprehensive exam on the effects of the changes. It looks like the FCC is doing that but us sitting here throwing out a simple stat saying ticket sales don’t increase during a blackout so blackouts are dumb is naive and premature.

Doesn’t the NFL make enough money on Sunday Ticket as it is?

which was my point – if you are paying for it anyways then why are you subject to NFL blackout rules?

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember reading that lifting of blackouts in baseball helped to increase attendance.

No other sport has these blackout rules (although they’re also receiving local TV money so it’s in their interest to have eyes watching the TV). Showing every game locally is a way to increase your fan base, and the more fans you have the more likely the fans will go to a game.

It’s a pretty simple formula…. have a winning team and your stadium will be filled. Have a poor team and it won’t. Being on TV or not will have a minimal difference, and may actually hurt.

by Pistol on Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, this.

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by k8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

its paradoxical

taxpayers are giving money to build a stadium but wont go…
the small tiny fraction of people who end up going to a blacked out game wouldnt go anymore because they will show it on tv…
the stadium looks even more empty…

so where is the logic in

No stadium that utilizes taxpayer dollars should ever be subjected to a blackout. It’s just wrong.
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by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t buy it one bit. People who go to games will continue to go so long as it fits their budget. It doesn’t fit mine any longer. So a poor-performing team who, while affordable by NFL standards, charges more than I can spend on a regular basis – well, they don’t get my money.

But that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to see games played in the stadium where some of my taxes have gone.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

A change that needs to happen. No stadium that utilizes taxpayer dollars should ever be subjected to a blackout. It’s just wrong.

doesn’t NYS make out more in the long run? I thought i’ve read that a couple times but I could be wrong. Between tax on sales and income tax (think how much income tax NYS got on Fitz contract) I thought i’ve read that NYS makes out pretty well on the Bills.

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn’t NYS make out more in the long run?

Yes.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The state yes

But that doesn’t mean all of that tax revenue is getting re-invested locally

by fanick82 on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Erie county gets some of that income tax and sales tax revenue – it’s a percentage. I’m not sure of the breakdown but 4% goes to Erie county, 2% goes to Orchard Park and the remaining goes to the state – or something to that effect.

So yes, while all of that doesn’t get re-invested locally a good chunk of it does but at the same time we get all sorts of income from property tax from NYC and income tax from NYC.

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by J2 on Jan 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This Would Be Amazing.

More than amazing if i wasn’t so positive that from 2012-2020 the Buffalo Bills will be winning 11-16 regular season games every year. So, we’ll be selling out anyways ;)

Ron Paul 2012

by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Living in the Syracuse area I’m still trying to figure out how I fit into that 75 mile radius. Non-euclidean geometry?

by Zumone on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Williamson, NY is 75 miles from Orchard Park and fits in Syracuse’s television distribution area. Those people can’t be blacked out without everyone being blacked out…. so they go all the way.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This, at the very least, needs to change. That old “THEE 315” adage seems to apply even here, sadly.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I know their “explanation”. I’m just not buying it. Especially since the CBS affiliate that carries the game also services the Utica. So the NFL has used a narrow strip of land within the 75 mile radius to effectively blackout 300 miles. Its just never sat well with me.

by Zumone on Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

There was once a proposal in the Assembly to move a portion of the Town of Italy from Yates County (which is in the Syracuse broadcast area) to Ontario County (which is in the Rochester broadcast area) expressly for this reason. It was blocked by downstate assemblymen.

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by Calvert on Jan 13, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pissed as well every time I get blacked out even though I’m 2.5 hrs away from the ralph.

by thatguy81 on Jan 13, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here

I live in Syracuse, and I enjoy watching the game at home, where I have my game day ritual that I follow every football sunday. A few times I had to watch the game at the bar. Buffalo games still dominate the area, but yet we get stuck watching crap team from other areas, just because the Bills didn’t sell out

Is this your homework, Larry?

by Schooled You on Jan 13, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I live south of Utica, and I still get blacked out. It’s ridiculous.

by Dr. Brackish Okun on Jan 13, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Beware...

This sounds too good to be true… Let’s face it if the team stinks they won’t draw flies to go watch them play, teams will have to make up lost revenue some how. Large market teams such as the Cowboys and Redskins will still be able to draw fans no matter what which will give them even more of a advantage to signing players and coaches.

I can envision this as being fan friendly but hurting the small market teams cash flow.

It could help is if enough teams struggle to fill the stadiums maybe ticket and concession prices will drop.

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by Goose22 on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

have u seen attendance at the ralph the last decade?

by billsstein on Jan 13, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure the point you are trying to make?

How come I always get blamed for everything I do ?

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by Goose22 on Jan 14, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i think all your points are right Goose; however, the new CBA is supposed to keep the smaller market teams more viable than the old structure. So hopefully, that “free money” from the larger markets should help us progress, without directly costing us. I like to think of it as a progressive tax system in a way. The “richer” teams get taxed, and the “poor” teams get that money, to help keep them competitive both in market, as well as viable competition as players and a team on the field. the old system was more like a fixed tax, and the money the “poor” teams made, was barely more than they were already investing themselves, and the “rich” teams were able to operate, and spend, without worry, because they had the money to spare, to begin with, and were barely paying anything out. Plus that was compounded by NFL Shared Revenue for merch and such, as the national market teams were obviously making more money on that stuff as well. So they basically got to jump ahead of the smaller teams. That was why Davis and Ralph voted no on that CBA mostly, and because they realized that the agents were dictating salaries, and lining their pockets, which the owners and league weren’t seeing any of that money. The new CBA is leaps and bounds better than the old one.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 14, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly-Ralph knew the previous CBA was a bad deal and was criticised when he spoke up.The new CBA should in theory help the smaller market teams but we shall see once the $$$’s start rolling in….

I wasn’t sure what billstein meant

have u seen attendance at the ralph the last decade?

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by Goose22 on Jan 16, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The FCC also changed it at some point to go from 50-mile radius up to 75-mile. Not sure when that happened.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I drove to Syracuse to watch the '93 playoff game.

I was so mad during the first half that I did and thought of the wasted trip there… then couldn’t believe the comeback and how exciting it was and how glad I was able to see it live.

by dabillsr1 on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

We watched it via a very snowy Syracuse feed. Then turned it off right after halftime. I continued to listen on the radio. The radio was better.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt — do you know if Elmira escapes the 75 mile blackout rule?

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by Sawyer in Boston on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Youre more East than Elmira?

I thought you were from Rochester?

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 13, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I am from Rochester. I had a senior moment.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I rented a place in Elmira for the winter of 2009/10

and I’m pretty sure I watched all the games during that craptastic season. I remember watching the season finale on tv when Perry Fewell was interim coaching, so there was no way that game was sold out. It was the snow game when Fred Jackson ran all over the Colts backups and T.O. was doing jumping jacks and throwing snowballs.

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by k8 on Jan 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

my beer froze that game. 20 dollar 100 level tickets best bargain ever

by billsstein on Jan 13, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

only cause...
my beer froze that game.

ya didn’t drink it fast enough….

Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!

by Cinga on Jan 13, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year...

The Bills/Lions game that was blacked out in Buffalo was on in Corning, where I live. So I would assume it was on in Elmira as well.

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 13, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god...

I lived in Saratoga Springs at the time, thank god I wasn’t in that radius, that game was EPIC! Almost in tears in the first half, getting razzed by my uncle. All smiles and cheers during the second half, still have that game on DVD, disc 2 on the History of the Buffalo Bills DVD :)

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by Mikey5275 on Jan 14, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

reflex fan reaction would be excitement but here is a story for you guys

english premier league is the most popular soccer league in the world today… but it was not so always for those who think EPL is the best…

from 70s to 90s italian serie A and spanish league were the mighty ones… italian serie A became so might that all teams built huge olympics style stadiums… the soccer field is surrounded by a running track and then the fans… huge stadium lead to huge revenues…

then television became big… all of a sudden, when neutral fans saw both serie A games and EPL games they felt EPL was more exciting… that’s because, in EPL, fans are sitting right next to the field… also, since EPL was small in the 80s and 90s, the stadiums werent that big… that lead to the perception that EPL games were always packed…

in contrast, due to the running track around italian stadiums, while viewing in TV, fans didnt feel the connection between the crowd and the game… also, massive stadiums lead to the appearance of empty seats on TV… italian games were perceived as boring to watch (not helped by their defensive mentality)… so EPL rose in popularity and money flew in…

Moral of the story is, lifting blackout is great and all for the naive fan… but here was an example of why perception is a strong influence… if fans watch empty stadiums in blacked out game after blacked out game on TV, that will lead to a possible loss of interest and excitement and actually do more harm to the nfl

by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

That sounds also like the strong corrolation between offensive games and defensive games. Something the nfl has noticed makes them more money and the general enjoys the game more.

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by matthew62 on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that's another disturbing trend

nfl is/was at its best when there was an offense-defense balance… i dont buy the supposed notion that more points is more excitement…

if nfl games start to have scores like basketball then scoring itself will lose its value…

by statcruncher on Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

As for me....

When I watch football on television, I’m watching the game not the fans in the stand. I don’t care care if there’s 100 people in the stand, I’m watching the game.

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by blknites on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that the NFL doesn’t lose at or out on anything. Ever.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

perceived as boring to watch (not helped by their defensive mentality)

would be more to the point than the empty stadiums. Also EPL teams were able to buy most of the best players from other parts of the world which enhanced their own product appreciably.

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by Billsdownunder on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be awesome.

I know you can always listen on the radio if its blacked out… but lets be honest… we’d like to see it.

I hate that I love Buffalo.

by bflo on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

So thE nfl makes the most.money of tv deals. When more people are home to watch you black out the game. I just do not see any realistic scenario where a blacked out games make you more money.

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by matthew62 on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Because the NFL gets tv money no matter what.

Whether the game is blacked out or not.

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by twoeightnine on Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The higher the ratings they get the more you can negotiate for in.your deal

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by matthew62 on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking from a Canadian standpoint this would be great.

For the main reason that if a game is blacked out in any region in the US, it’s also blacked out for ALL of Canada. So your local blackouts apply to my entire country. You have no idea the amount of great games that I have missed because of this. It would be a very welcome change of pace for me.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

That’s just wrong. I had no idea but I hope it changes for you.

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by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 13, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s how the distribution deal was originally drawn up back when blackouts were first implemented and no one ever bothered to change it.

It’s also the main reason why I payed for NFL Sunday Ticket for the last 4 years. It was worth it for me.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And to clarify, buying NFL Sunday Ticket means that i don’t get blackouts either, which is why for me it’s been worth it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya I just end up going to a sports bar (one that switches a TV over to the Bills game).
Instead of spending money on NFL Sunday Ticket directly and watching the Bills, over the course of the season for the same price I can watch the Bills, have 16 burgers and 32 craft beers.

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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

See I would do that but it’s actually a challenge to find a bar that shows the Bills game unless we’re playing a “big” team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a bunch of bullsh$t. I’d be really pissed about that.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of us up here have been for a while. The only non-applicable blackouts are playoff games. that’s it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thats crazy

i didnt realize

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

I never knew that, I’ve been in Canada for the last 4 winters but didn’t notice. That explains why the Bills often got shown a fair bit early in the season and then not so much in Nov/Dec.

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by Billsdownunder on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I only noticed the same year that I started blogging here. Actually had to do quite a bit of research to confirm it.

Also if you have cable up here (particularly Rogers) you will find the Bills game in the guide, but when you actually tune into it, it’s another game when they’re blacked out.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The hypocrisy to me is having a TV black-out but not a radio blackout. Black it all out or black none of it out.

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by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

interesting points both ways

i dont live in any black out area, so it doesnt effect me at all.

i would think no matter what they do, it wont affect the overall popularity of the NFL and its ability to earn money.

I would rather them sign more extensive tv deals so that its like college football and espn, nbc, cbs, fox, espn2 all can show games all day long. you would make more coast to coast fans and increase the value in my opinion.

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by silverstreak3k on Jan 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Need the data

Unfortunately, the argument that sides with the FCC current rule regarding blackouts needs to better demonstrate Russ Brandon’s contention that, in so doing, the blackouts buttress attendance levels. In other words, showing some actual quantitative data to support its contention. Otherwise, we’re having correlative arguments without any data to support that position. Hopefully the public comment period will facilitate that data drop to happen from the anti-blackout advocacy groups, because one can imagine that the NFL will produce its own data to support its contention (at the very least, private focus groups, polling, etc.) that having blackouts as a possibility boost ticket sales.

by BostonJL on Jan 13, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

I’m still not sure how anyone could provide accurate data on the topic.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt — you may well indeed be right about the soundness of any data presented. However, as a graduate student in the law and public policy, I would bet that the NFL has run some economic models from hired gun economists that attempt to demonstrate a cohesive rationale behind their position, on top of any softer, qualitative studies they may have run such as private polling or focus groups. The FCC loves data for their number crunchers and for their internal debates, so hopefully the advocacy groups that are attempting to end the NFL’s blackouts can quash or cast doubt on any methodological studies the NFL tries to put forth.

by BostonJL on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL Sunday Ticket and Blackouts

I purchased NFL Sunday Ticket several times (although not in the last 3 years I’ll say) and have experienced being blacked out although having spent approx. $300. I was NOT a happy camper. That’s the reason why I don’t have the package today.

Although I don’t know it for a fact today that these blackouts still occur with Direct TV, I would be in favor of the FCC enforcing a change in that particular aspect of programming and still keeping local blackout rules in place.

by Cheektowaga_AL on Jan 13, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

stadium size

I’m not sure if i think that the blackout rule should be abolished, but it definitely needs adjustment. for example, from the stats i found, the bills currently have the 11th biggest stadium while the bears have the 31st(which is last because the new york teams share). however, buffalo’s population according to the 2010 US census was 261,310. that is only the city of buffalo, according to these stats the “buffalo-niagara-cattaraugus” region is about 1.2 million. Chicago has 2.7 million, good enough for the third largest city in the nation. Because of stats like these, i wish the NFL would change the rule to be more fair to smaller markets, maybe saying we would only have to sell 75% or something like that.

by nickjangles on Jan 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Good point. Send this info to the FCC.

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by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 13, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i proposed this to friends:

if the blackout is beneficial to ticket sales, then offer the games PPV. Then the team/networks can make additional money, and we can watch the games. I had Sunday Ticket, AND STILL can’t watch the game. That is just dumb, that I pay money to see my team, and then, can’t see my team. That makes no sense at all.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'm in Florida

I don’t understand why you would have Sunday Ticket if you’re in the Bills market and your purpose in having it is to solely watch the Bills.
Down here, the Dolphins home games are on local TV (when sold out) and are not on local OR Directv when blacked out. That renders the Ticket useless for Dolphin fans in the Dolphin market. I would assume the same for the Bills fans.
If you have the Ticket to watch the whole slate of games, that’s another story, at which point, you are still getting some return on your outlay.
I have the Ticket and the only game I’d miss would be the Fins @ home vs. Bills and there was no sellout. This year I saw all 16 games…sadly, my therapist says that’s the root cause of my depression :-)

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t understand why you would have Sunday Ticket if you’re in the Bills market and your purpose in having it is to solely watch the Bills.

I never said that.

I had NFL Sunday Ticket, because I made the switch to DirecTV, and because I was spoiled by the programming (I am a San Diego fan as well, and can’t see all their games without it) and specifically the fact they play a HD 30 minute game tape version, of every game, from every week, snap to whistle in 30 minutes without commercials. I can rewatch any game, multiple times, before it could be completed in normal format. I find that incredibly convenient, since it is basically impossible to watch all the games, every week, otherwise. Also, I watched RedZone Channel each week that the game was blacked out, so that I could still see SOMETHING of what was going on, disappointingly enough.

I was aware of the lockout rules. I didn’t say that was why I had ticket. You assumed that part, incorrectly.

Yes, I have it, because it was free before, it was an incentive, it was awesome, and now I am hooked. I stand by the fact that blackouts are stupid. I understand that not selling seats hurt the team, but not broadcasting them to WAY more people who can’t go to the game, can’t afford tickets, gather with family and friends, and still want to watch the team that they know is playing, and would have to choose to break the law, in order to do so, is just control that is unnecessary. They are making plenty of money. A family can no longer afford to go to a game, and enjoy themselves, because it would cost HUNDREDS of dollars, and the fact is, our local economy sucks. Perhaps if they factored those things in, a slight reduction of cost might increase sales, especially considering you are asking them to pay to be exposed to the elements, while watching a team that basically sucks, and trading a mortgage payment in order to do so.
Yes, local blackouts have always applied.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

got it

although I wasn’t assuming anything, just didn’t understand it. Thanks

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

also, I was referring to a collective “you”, not you personally.

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by fansince60 on Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

oh

sorry. i took it as “what is wrong with you” basically. but, free is free, and now, i am hooked. they are like a friggin drug dealer. they know you will like it, and then you are hooked. haha.

But yeah, i just can’t understand why the blackout applies to Sunday Ticket, personally, or why Sunday Ticket holders couldn’t pay extra to not have the blackout apply or something. It seems like, if all they want is our money, then why not consider additional ways to get it. I personally would buy individual games, even if I had to throw a party or something and have everyone throw in 5 bucks or whatever. They are still getting money, that they won’t get otherwise.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 13, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wtf....

How about just televise the games. I along w everyone pays out the ass for tv. People will go to the games regardless but certainly more if the team is playing well. Its tough to be a fan when u only get to see half the games on tv and cant afford to drive to the stadium on the weekends and watch games live. I say give something back to the fans whose money has lined the pockets of ralph wilson and the entire bills organization since its inception. Black out games? Really? Its crap and a giant slap in the face to bills fans. Ralph wants a full stadium …how about a winning team ralph?

by Feedjasper on Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

To be fair, it’s an FCC rule not a Ralph rule

by LetsGoBflo on Jan 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You dont think the owners were involved w this rule?

by Feedjasper on Jan 13, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What does this mean for the TV stations......

They have to lose revenue when a game gets blacked out. Selling the local advertising dollars.

by 2010bulls on Jan 13, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

NFL teams are being supported by massive television contracts and taxpayer dollars.

Exactly. Blackouts have become counter-productive. The extra tickets that blackouts sell don’t make up for the negatives that go along with the rule. These teams get crazy money from television, which of course, goes right into everybody’s cable bill.

Here’s a personal tidbit that’s been extremely frustrating to me. I pay for the MLB tv on the computer thing to watch Indians games. I’ve been a big Cleveland fan since Buffalo had the farm team and some of my fav MLB players like Robby and Sandy Alomar and Kenny Lofton were stars there. I can’t watch the non-sellout home games (which is almost all of them), even though I’m paying specifcally for the service, because Buffalo is somehow in the Indians blackout zone. As if I’m going to drive down to Cleveland on a tuesday night to watch them play. It’s like major league baseball would prefer me be a fan of a bigger market. Some 11 year kid in Pittsburgh can probably watch every Yankees game on TV, but heaven forbid that same kid actually wants to be a Pirates fan and watch that team on TV every night. That same kid, who could go either way on the sport of baseball and grow up to be a season ticket holder or could grow up to not give a darn about the sport at all, is the one who ends up watching some adult themed comedy on FX instead of the ball game. I know that’s a non-Bills rant, but it really does piss me off.

The blackout rule has become nothing but a big joke. It needs to go away.

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by kaisertown on Jan 13, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Some 11 year kid in Pittsburgh can probably watch every Yankees game on TV, but heaven forbid that same kid actually wants to be a Pirates fan and watch that team on TV every night. That same kid, who could go either way on the sport of baseball and grow up to be a season ticket holder or could grow up to not give a darn about the sport at all, is the one who ends up watching some adult themed comedy on FX instead of the ball game.

That non-Bills rant, is completely forgiveable, because you make an excellent point. Perhaps though: this same thought could be applied to a child Bills’ fan, who doesn’t have the means (or their parent doesn’t) and now, they suffer, while the TV companys and the NFL gets rich. Not only is that a poor way to ensure future viability of the NFL, it always basically tells us all that they are in the business of making money, through entertainment, and at a point, people are going to get tired of paying for it, the same way they have grown tired of movie theaters, movie rental, and music costs. They are ruining their own business in order to make more money than they need, for less and less consumers. But hey, I guess that is what “The American Way” is now… get rich quick, while you can, at the cost of whoever, so at least YOU will be comfortable and happy in YOUR life, regardless of who has to suffer. Sad. Pathetic, actually.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 13, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Get rid of it

It’s a relic of a bygone era.

It was created at a time the league feared more people would watch on TV than spend for a ticket — not realizing that, since there are more TV’s than seats, people are going to do that, anyway.

Kaisertown’s non-Bills rant above was an excellent point — but remember, the blackout rule was created at a time when there were three networks and no cable, much less Sunday ticket. A relic of a bygone era.

In making the rule, the NFL seemed to fear losing spectators in the seats to those watching on television . . . just as they earlier feared losing fans in the seats to those listening on the radio . . . and, in turn, the radio networks feared losing listeners to viewers on television.

They didn’t seem to realize one simple concept: if the on-field product is entertaining enough, people will pay to watch it in person, whether it’s being broadcast on radio/tv or not . . . if it isn’t, no amount of blacking out will get fans to flock to the stadium . . .

So get rid of it. It’s a relic of a bygone era.

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by go_buff on Jan 13, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I always thought the concept of blackouts was ridiculous...

Going to a game and watching a game on TV are two completely different experiences. I can’t believe that the blackout rules have much of an impact on ticket sales, and I think statistically that’s pretty much proven.

I guess this idea dates back to an era when sports on TV was a new and exciting thing, but those days are long gone. Even with widescreens and high def, I don’t think there are many people out there who use TV as a substitute for going to a game.

It doesn’t affect me since I don’t live in the market and I watch the games on Sunday Ticket, but it seems inherently wrong. Basically the team’s punishing the fans because it fields a poor product that not enough people feel is worth spending a ton of money on.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see how any fan can be in favor of a blackout in any form at any time. A very small minority of fans get the game on rabbit ears thus a vast majority pay for cable or a dish. I live in yates county and with game day traffic I’m looking at 3 hr drive and am in the blackout zone. kinda feels like some people want to play devils advocate a bit too much. again, how can you be for a blackout?

by thatguy81 on Jan 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

To my knowledge, fans aren’t really in favor of blackouts. The people with the most to gain from blackouts are the owners of large market teams and the media outlets that cover them. Expanding the blackout areas of small market teams (such as including the Syracuse market in the Buffalo blackout area because of a tiny strip of territory in Yates County) allows large market teams to conduct economic warfare for control of certain regions as the games that will typically be shown instead is the nearest large market game. The NYC media machine most certainly wants Buffalo to have a large swath of territory in the blackout zone because when the Biils do poorly, they get more media presence there at our expense without any fear of retaliation. There is certainly no chance of a Buffalo game being the primary game downstate unless the Jets or Giants are one of the participants. The reverse is most certainly not true.

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by Calvert on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

NO....
The people with the most to gain from blackouts are the owners of large market teams

The people with the most to gain from local blackouts are the small market teams, because ticket sales are gravy earnings even though TV revenues make ticket revenue look really small for a season.

Small market teams should embrace getting as many viewers as possible even if it costs them ticket sales, because they will more than make it up in their share of broadcast rights as long as global viewership continues to increase.

Ticket sales are gravy for the profit margin of NFL teams, the real meat and potatoes of NFL revenue is the TV broadcast deals.

I can’t believe Ralph can’t understand this because he was able to instigate an AFL-NFL merger, just because the AFL TV deals he helped negotiate gave the AFL the cash they needed to compete with the NFL.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have always hated the blackout rule. I found it to be absolutely ridiculous back when I had a satellite dish. Even though I bought the NFL package, I was still blacked out of Bills games when they were blacked out on local tv. How could they justify that? I paid to watch the game when I bought the package!

by SiriusRed on Jan 13, 2012 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Lets be honest

Who DID NOT watch the blacked out games on the internet? Its 2012, and technology makes blacking out games on tv pointless. While it may be “illegal”, streaming sports and tv shows has become as normal in todays world as downloading free music. The NFL needs to realize this and offer a “watch it live” package similar to their “NFL Rewind” package. This will generate revenue and let them collect our data and sell it to their advertisers. My bet is that this will be next years big thing, where viewers will get access to more camera angles and mic’ed up players.

by phalupah on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

You are so right.

I know SB Nation can’t allow people to post links to websites where you can get the games because of possible legal repercussions. Do you think Time Warner is blocking websites that carry illegal feeds of Sabres games to their internet customers that MSG carries?

They are not.

The biggest source of revenue for the NFL now is their TV carriers, the ticket sales and merchandising are gravy for the profit margin. It makes the most sense for the blackouts to end, so the networks that pay the big bucks to carry NFL games get better ratings and ad revenue.

It would also be smart for the NFL and for networks that carry games to offer internet viewing for an even greater viewing audience by following NBC’s lead. The internet is the future of media viewing, it would be smarter for the NFL and the networks that carry it, to do away with the illegal streaming sites by offering a superior product by giving full 1080p over the net, even if you had to pay for it, and ending local blackouts. This would bring in more revenue in the end for the NFL I am convinced.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

To go even farther.
it would be smarter for the NFL and the networks that carry it, to do away with the illegal streaming sites by offering a superior product by giving full 1080p over the net, even if you had to pay for it

I would be willing to pay $5 a game to get 1080p video over the internet as I have several computers with HDMI out. How much would that earn NFL licenses that currently carry broadcasting? How quick would Illegal feeds die if NFL Licenses for broadcasting made that available?

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

you talking to mr MRW?

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

should say

you talking to me MRW?

that r key is so close to the e….I am a typo machine :)

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Shout out to Tim Tebow!

I hope you beat Tom Brady this weekend!!!

Does that deserve a warning Brian? Or is it OK to wish Tebow kicks Brady’s you know what :) :) :)

I couldn’t resist for the warning :)

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

And as Poz could tell you

You know I have been drinking, when I answer my own posts :)

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That was so funny after looking at it!

All I can say is

:)

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 14, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you made me laugh. :)

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by blknites on Jan 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good!!!

I made myself laugh looking back at this, i was pretty tuned!

Time to get a Sunday morning drunk on for today’s games :)

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 15, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I was talking to phalupah for not divulging specific names.

by MattRichWarren on Jan 15, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I live further than 75 miles from the stadium (about 117 miles, to be more accurate. )However, the station that provides my “local” networks is less than 75 miles from the stadium. If I lived 2 miles down the road, my locals would be from another area, and the game would not be blacked out. This has never made one lick of sense to me. It’s fairly arbitrary. It takes about 3 hrs to get from my house to the game. It just isn’t practical on a regular basis, especially if it happens to be a later game. Or a winter game. My aunt and uncle who live near Syracuse have the same problem. And it’d be a 4 hour drive from where they’re at. It’s very frustrating to be considered “local” when you’re really not.

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by bflogrl on Jan 14, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

you are local enough to measure those distances in times

like normal Buffalonians. ; ) (Jeff Foxworthy-ism….hahaha)

I can sympathize with you, and our Canadian fans… but I include the rest of us, who either prefer not to, or simply don’t have the opportunity to, go to the stadium. I think there should be SOME way for that to happen. The networks/NFL are making plenty of money. I don’t see why we can’t watch our team. I don’t think it has as big of an impact on ticket sales, but then, i don’t have the numbers. I do know, that there are FAR more televisions in the area that would be turned to it, and more families and young people who might care more, if they knew they could watch them. As a child, i was a fan also of the Cowboys, because they were on every Sunday on Fox, and they were far easier to follow because of that.

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by ThaRealTruth on Jan 14, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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