With the Tenth Pick of The NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills Select...
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST
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As we are all debating on Courtney Upshaw's value at number ten, lets try to get to the bottom of this and see whos the best pick here. Courtney Upshaw comes from a defensive powerhouse at Alabama which produced our finest defensive product right now (Marcell Dareus). People question Upshaw's ability to make an immediate impact as a pass rusher in the league. This is the draft my friends, it is swing or miss, home run or strike out, go balls out or get kicked in the balls the Aaron Maybin way. Let the debating begin!
My Pick (1/18/11): Althought Courtney Upshaw got an incredible amount of votes on this poll, I am a Michael Brockers fan. Lets stack up big and form the finest defensive line in the AFC East (and potentially the AFC). Brockers is an absolute beast, and with him, Kyle Williams, and Marcell Dareus eating up blockers, players like Arthur Moats and Chris Kelsay will perform far greater than we've seen. BAM! Draft Brockers in the first, and an outside linebacker in the second. Below is my desired defense of the 2012 Buffalo Bills
DL: Michael Brockers - Kyle Williams - Marcell Dareus
LB: Vinny Curry Nick Barnett Kelvin Sheppard Arthur Moats
CB: Aaron Williams Justin Rogers
S: Jairus Byrd LaRon Landry
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Best case scenario is QB A. Luck.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions
It’s real in my world. Welcome.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 16, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
It’s real in my world. Welcome.
The snozberries taste like snozberries.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR, Nick Toon - WR, Marvin McNutt - WR, Dan Persa - QB, Russell Wilson - QB, Whitney Mercilus - DE, Melvin Ingram - DE/OLB, Jared Crick - 3/4 or 4/3 DE, Alshon Jeffery - WR, Michael Floyd - WR, Ryan Tannehill - QB
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK....how about this....
The Colts ownership has come out and said they are not trading Manning. Let’s assume that is true and Manning will fully recover. Luck doesn’t want to sit behind Manning (he has already hinted at that), so he pulls an Eli Manning and refuses to play for the Colts. The Colts take him anyway, but are looking to deal him. The Rams take Kalil. The Bills call the Colts and the Vikes with a 3 way trade deal. First, the Bills give up the #10 pick and Fred Jackson for the Vikes #3 pick. The Vikes need an LT, but with Kaili gone they can wait to #10 to pick up Rieff. They are also in need of a RB like Jackson. AP is going to be out at least half the season if not more and may never be the same. They make the trade. The Bills take RG3 with the 3rd pick.
At this point, we have to assume Chan wants Luck more than he wants RG3….not sure that is true, but let’s go with it for now. Now, the Bills offer to swap RG3 for Luck and throw in Bell, an up in coming LT with some injury questions but someone who will compete for their starting LT spot. If forced to, the Bills throw in Stevie, who they really don’t want anyway.
Or……Chan decides he wants to keep RG3. Nix calls up the Texans and offers to trade Stevie, Bell, and our 1st round pick in 2013 for Mario Williams
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly how I see it all going down.
but I think we keep stevie, trade our 2013 1st and 2nd for Mario Williams.
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that could work too......
but for some reason I think they value picks more than Stevie.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Wake Up
Wake up joe.P your dreaming! :)
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by buffalobacker on Jan 16, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I know....I know....but we have to dream now before reality hits
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
No Michael Floyd?
Floyd has been a proven starting WR and is the 2nd best WR in the draft after Blackmon by several sites including CBSSports, Walter and Drafttek
^ you got it
Floyd shall be re-added to the poll!
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Hey roaming: if you click on “reply” to the comment you’re replying to, it’ll thread it, and you won’t need to put the little carrot in the title field any more. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
^
What if he just likes to point at people?
Being a Bills fan the last decade is a lot like being a man with E.D....sometimes you get excited too soon just be disappointed in the end, and other times...you just don't get excited at all
by Flanders333 on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
^ my dude
Im all bout the point index…the old fashion way and the only way. You think Bruce Smith would click the reply button if it came down to it? Im going to say no because the reply button is not that kewww.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps not, but it certainly makes following a conversation much easier. Just saying.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Voted Brockers
Brockers-Williams-Dareus
Enough said, I tend to want value in my picks
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i agree
that is a killer DLine
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by NolaBillsFan on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Voted Brockers
Brockers-Williams-Dareus
Enough said, I tend to want value in my picks
Would love this. All the guys I’d be happy with at 10 (in rough order):
Michael Brockers, Riley Reiff, Michael Floyd, Melvin Ingram (on the fence), Alshon Jeffery, Jonathan Martin, David Decastro, Jerel Worth (On the fence – might be too high).
Of course, if Nix managed to trade for Mario Williams using our 1st from 2013 and managed to draft Michael Brockers with our 2012 1st round pick, I just might need a change of underpants.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR, Nick Toon - WR, Marvin McNutt - WR, Dan Persa - QB, Russell Wilson - QB, Whitney Mercilus - DE, Melvin Ingram - DE/OLB, Jared Crick - 3/4 or 4/3 DE, Alshon Jeffery - WR, Michael Floyd - WR, Ryan Tannehill - QB
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 16, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
kirkpatrick.
of the choices listed here, the voting should split between kirkpatrick, perry, and brockers. but naturally upshaws winning bc everyones keyed in on him at the moment.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
I agree with Kirkpatrick and Brockers
But I haven’t seen enough of Perry. And i think Upshaw is winning because the majority of people see that he has highly low bust potential and he has a lot of what Chix looks for in a first round pick.
by TheHesterEffect on Jan 16, 2012 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats sort of what im afraid of… i like the way nix has been putting this team together overall, but “solid, low-impact football player” is exactly what they drafted last year with the number 3 overall pick. nix passed on game changers like peterson and green using that philosophy. to hit a home run hes gonna have to swing the bat eventually, taking upshaw is the NFL draft equivalent of bunting.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
seriously?
Dareus has a chance to be a future HOF and you want to pass on him? Green is good. But Peterson has been burned often. Dareus is definitely the safest, but he is also the BPA, and arguably the best player in that draft.
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i meant, yes. i wanted the bills to pass on him for peterson and green. im not afraid to admit that, because its the truth. dareus is a good player, youll get no major gripe from me about the bills taking him. he made the bills marginally better. but ‘safest’ guy isnt always the ‘best’ guy. i still think peterson or green wouldve been better draft picks.
spiller was exactly the type of pick i want them to make. with a top10 pick shoot for a guy whose skill set can really make him an impact NFL player. i never really saw dareus as being that, and still dont
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
I can definitely see where boomsauce is coming from
And I completely agree with it but I guess I am afraid to be burnt.
by TheHesterEffect on Jan 16, 2012 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
here comes the fire!?
no I don’t disagree. I liked the Spiller pick. But I think Dareus is going to make a bigger long term impact than AJ Green and Peterson. Dareus destroys double teams (nice use of alliteration if I do say so myself). But get him on a DL with Kyle Williams, Brockers and Mario Williams we won’t need any LBs to stop the run or rush the passer. Just culminating the days dreams of players the Bills will get with that one.
Its fine if you disagree (not really haha), but personally I think as Drayton Florence said, Dareus can be a HOF Player, I don’t think Peterson or Green will be. Dareus is dominant, so is Green, but we needed Dareus more. Peterson has yet to be seen as a good cover corner. I can’t be swayed on this topic.
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C'mon..tomcs
Dareus is great no lie…but c’mon you cant say AJ Green or Patrick Peterson can’t be hall of famers. If there was a HOF ballot right now, Pat Pete and AJ Green would beat out Dareus by a mile. Dareus is great dont get me wrong, but statistically and physically, Green and Peterson are top tier. AJ Green goes with Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson as the best wide receiver prospects of the decade. Patrick Peterson is a freakish athlete and is going to a pro bowl his first year for kick returning. The return game is just a secondary position for him and he is going to Hawaii for it (did i mention he broke a single season record). Dareus (As of now) is nowhere near AJ Green or Patrick Peterson in current value. I hate to say it, but I guess time will tell if Dareus is a premier talent.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
I went slightly overboard saying Green and Peterson won’t be HOF for sure. But you cannot convince me that Dareus is not the better player of the 3. Everyone on this cite can disagree with me, I won’t budge.
Dareus Destroy Double Teams :)
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I just think that alliteration line is a win.
And I am going to give myself a point.
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lack of strong evidence
Dareus was playing NT and DE in the 3-4 and was not at a set position. 5.5 sacks is definitely a solid rookie campaign, but 2012 is crucial to everyone in the organization. I would go as far to say that 2012 is the most important year for the Bills to date. Do or die, and Dareus must do.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dareus was playing NT and DE in the 3-4 and was not at a set position.
In the recent video with Buddy Nix, he said that they were in a 4-3 47% of the time and that they were in the Nickel defense 47% of the time.
alright
But regardless of the statistics, Dareus was playing more than one position…none of us know if hes better as a NT or a DE because we have Kyle Williams who is automatically the NT.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
A CB and WR were not our top needs! thats why we went with something we NEEDED!
We were what, last in the run and we needed an DE in the 3-4 dareus was a great pick and better for this team then Green or Peterson
Ay Ay Ay Ayyyyy
by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
thats such short term thinking. last season, your right, WR was not a crying need (cornerback on the other hand, absolutely was). but now this offseason? pass rusher, wr, cb are the bills biggest needs. GMs shouldnt think in terms of short term need like that. a guy like buddy nix needs to focus on putting the most talent on this roster that he possibly can, which is why i thought, and still think, peterson and green wouldve been better picks.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
but for last years draft, our biggest need was a run stuffer/defensive/defensive line and dareus was the BEST pick for us and he helps us out long term. there is no short term with dareus
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
agree to disagree then. i think the third overall pick is entirely too early to draft a run stuffing kind of Dlineman.
bills couldve pulled off a browns/falcons trade (letting the falcons come up and get green), taken muhammad wilkerson, and been in practically the exact same position at the end of last years first round, except with a lot more draft picks to play with.
its all about value to me. the jets took wilkerson 27 picks after the bills took dareus, and they got a player who in my opinion is only a marginal downgrade. green and peterson, on the other hand, are so much more gifted than everyone left on the board at the time and it wasnt even close
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Dareus is 100x better than Wilkerson will ever be.
Obviously my opinion. But I think it is apparent how Dareus is unblock-able by 1 OL, when Wilkerson has been easily blocked.
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i dont see why thats so apparent…
2011 stats (ill add phil taylolr for good measure, taken at pick 21 by the browns after that monster trade):
dareus- 43 tckl 5.5 sacks 0 ff
wilkerson- 49 tckl 3.0 sacks 1 ff
taylor- 59 tckl 4.0 sacks 1 ff
dareus’ production as a rookie was remarkably similar to players taken 18 and 27 slots after. i dont see how u can conclude hes “100x” better than either of those guys.
from my point of view, i see it as bills accepting horrible value for the #3 overall pick, when they couldve accepted that huge trade package from the falcons and gotten similar production anyway
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
by boomsauce on Jan 17, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Great points. Dareus is a rookie defensive tackle, and defensive tackle is surely not an easy position to step in at and make a HUGE impact (although the third overall player should have HUGE production). It just kinda sucks that he wasn’t as big of a stud as some other players in the first round (Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green, Aldon Smith, Patrick Peterson, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, Tyron Smith). Based on his rookie campaign, Dareus may squeeze into the top 10 rookies of 2011, but would surely not deserve to be in the top tier of them. I still have great amounts of faith in Dareus as he is a beast. Hopefully an offseason and a full training camp under his belt could help him shine to his fullest. I will not believe Marcell Dareus is a “bust” until I really see it, but now, he is nothing but a positive factor on defense for us.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
The stats help your argument
but, the stats don’t tell the whole picture. Dareus faced constant double teams, especially once Kyle Williams went down. You cannot tell me any team was doubling Wilkerson. And Phil Taylor plays in a 4-3 scheme, and plays a pretty much different position than Dareus. I have watched live Dareus dominate offense lines. with no talent around him. Lets see how the stats compare next year.
BTW Vince Wilfork’s stats are 52 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF. He also has 2 FRs and 2 hilarious INTs. But just shows that the tackles and sacks stats are misleading.
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agree with your point
Lets be real…Dareus was a one man show on the defensive line once Meatball got hurt. Carrington is just not doing it for me, as the same applies to Torrell Troup. We need a dominant d-line which has led me to wanting Michael Brockers
Brockers-Williams-Dareus
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
@ Boomsauce
You cant compare those players. Have you looked at the tape and seen how much Dareus was double and how many wilkerson and taylor have been. my guess is no! also they play on better defences who key on other players so wilkerson and taylor were not so haviely blocked! also wilkerson plays DE the whole season and dareus played NT 1/3 of the year! and dareus faced alot more doubles and had better stats! and in addtion “pressure” is different then sacks and i bet you didnt look up how many times each player got qb hurrys or simply put pressure on the QB and look at the denver tape dareuses part of the gameplan was to contain and make tebow throw. so your point with those 2 players being better then dareus can be thrown out the window!
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
You cant compare those players
ummm, why? all of them are defensive tackles in the national football league who were rookies in 2011.
and i never said that those guys were better than dareus. please dont put words in my mouth.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Dareus played NT most of the year, Wilkerson played DE and Taylor played DT in a 4-3. 3 different positions
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 18, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
also as in "sacks"
Dareus played a much harder position to get sacks and ended with more
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 18, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
@tomcs:
of course i see your point about the stats, but that wont get me to back off my point on taylor and especially wilkerson.
@BBBF:
bills spent roughly half the season in a 4 man front. dareus played a lot less snaps as a true nose tackle than your making it seem. i realize these guys technically played different spots, but it doesnt really change my point. i think if buffalo had wilkerson instead of dareus the roster would not be significantly weaker on the d line, because wilkersons a heck of a player as well
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
i agree that wilkerson is a good player becaise i fallowed him coming out of temple and knew he would be a good player but my point is that he is not on the level that dareus is
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
dude
I agree with u biggestfan. I have a boat load of confidence in Marcell Dareus
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 18, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
he is our guy and will be for the next 10
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
i voted others
Coples ???? at 10th, it’s possible
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Resign stevie, chandler, bell and scott, then i will think about april
Give me Rief
Combining our solid and improving interior linemen with Pears (solid vet) and Reif gives us a very nice OL! Consider also that there would be quality depth and eventual replacements in training. What I mean by this is Hairston will continue to increase his strength and technique while getting ready to be Pears replacement with the added bonus that he can sub in at LT is needed. Bell can provide additional quality depth that would be starter worthy but we won’t have to sweat through his constant injuries. A starting lineup of Reif-Levitre-Wood-Urbik-Pears with Rinehart, Bell, and Hairston as depth sounds good to me!
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by TexasBillsFanatic on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions
Reiff is definitely becoming one of my favorite picks there (Especially if we re-sign Bell as depth).
With our two RBs, we could throw in some heavy O-line formations such as…
Reiff-Bell-Levitre-Wood-Urbik-Pears …to aid our running game.
And then, to screw with the opposition, since Reiff is a converted TE we could have him run a short TE route once or twice when they think he’s just sitting back to block.
Da'Jon McKnight - WR, Nick Toon - WR, Marvin McNutt - WR, Dan Persa - QB, Russell Wilson - QB, Whitney Mercilus - DE, Melvin Ingram - DE/OLB, Jared Crick - 3/4 or 4/3 DE, Alshon Jeffery - WR, Michael Floyd - WR, Ryan Tannehill - QB
by NordicBillsfan on Jan 16, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t like Reiff as much as some of you guys on here. He looked okay to good from what I saw of his play but I definitely did not like his overall attitude that came across in an interview. I didn’t see a lot of passion or enthusiasm. In my opinion, he came off as though he didn’t care. And I believe the interview was not long before the season started so it wasn’t like he just lost a game or something. To me, if you aren’t passionate about playing football then I don’t think you should be selected in the draft. My two cents.
A lot of times the obvious pick is the obvious pick for a reason....
I think back to previous drafts where there was a “safe” pick that fit a clear need available, and the Bills got cute and went with someone they felt had more upside. In the drafts I’m thinking of, we ended up with Donte Whitner and Aaron Maybin rather than Haloti Ngata and Brian Orakpo.
My understanding of Courtney Upshaw is that he’s an every down DE or OLB with a high motor that’s strong against the run and has strong, if not elite pass-rushing skills. I’m not saying he’ll produce at the level of Ngata or Orakpo, but if there’s a high likelihood that he’ll make an impact he’s worth the pick. If Blackmon somehow drops to #10 of course you take him or if you believe Tannehill is a franchise QB, then go for it, but unless it’s a QB I’d rather have the “safe” pick who’s a good bet to be very good than a wing and a prayer pick who has an outside shot at being otherworldly.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 AM EST reply actions
Voted Other
I don’t see Nix trading out of the #10, but I am in favor of trading out of the tenth slot back to the middle of the 1st and finding our JJ Watt/Aldon Smith, while picking up an extra pick or two in the middle rounds.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Its like buying something
If you dont love it then dont get it! If Nix isnt in love with a player at 10 then he should trade out and get more picks and possibly more starters. We could get a good pass pusher in the mid to late first and then another good one in the early second!
Ay Ay Ay Ayyyyy
by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Courtney Upshaw.....
I have mixed feels about drafting Courtney Upshaw. On one hand, Upshaw is an awesome and classic football name. On the other hand, it would break one of my drafting rules…..never draft anyone named Courtney…..
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Mad funny
I thought of Courtney Brown but then thought of Gene Upshaw when seeing his name as well.
by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Jan 18, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
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