State Of The Buffalo Bills Roster: Quarterback
by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST
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Prior to the 2011 NFL Draft, Buffalo Bills head coach Chan Gailey and GM Buddy Nix made their plan of attack very clear to starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick: he was their starter, but if a quarterback they liked was available with the No. 3 overall pick, they'd take him.
Cam Newton didn't make it past the No. 1 overall pick (and hindsight has proven that a very wise decision on Carolina's part), the Bills weren't enamored with either Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder, and the team went with defensive lineman Marcell Dareus with their top pick. Now, Fitzpatrick is the highest-paid player in team history and coming off of a so-so season in his first full year as an NFL starting quarterback.
Has anything changed in the organization's stance on finding a "franchise" quarterback? What does this position look like heading into the most critical off-season of Nix and Gailey's tenure in Buffalo? Head on in after the jump for the talking points.
RYAN FITZPATRICK
Age: 29 (30 in November 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2018. Due $36.75M in base salary and $11M in bonuses over next six years.
Considering Fitzpatrick just completed his first season as a full-time starter, it's little wonder that he set career highs in completions (353), attempts (569), completion percentage (62.0 percent), passing yards (3,832), touchdowns (24) and interceptions (23). As with any starting quarterback, the Bills went as Fitzpatrick went; No. 14 was the AFC Offensive Player of the Month for September, then finished with a 10-to-16 TD-to-INT ratio as the Bills stumbled to 1-8 after a 5-2 start.
Fitzpatrick was signed to the richest contract in team history in October. His body of work in 29 games as Buffalo's starting quarterback doesn't measure up to his pay level (6,832 yards, 47 touchdowns, 38 interceptions and a 10-19 record), but there's no question that Fitzpatrick will be in Buffalo for the foreseeable future.
TYLER THIGPEN
Age: 27 (28 in April 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2014. Signed a three-year, $11M deal before 2011 season.
Signed as an unrestricted free agent to back up Fitzpatrick, that's exactly what Thigpen did in 2011. Fitzpatrick was the least-sacked starting quarterback in the NFL and played all 16 games, with Thigpen only attempting eight passes (with an interception) in three mop-up appearances throughout the season. Gailey has a high level of familiarity with Thigpen, and with a year in Gailey's offense, the Bills have some security at backup quarterback.
POSITIONAL OUTLOOK: As long as Nix and Gailey are involved, Fitzpatrick is a lock to be involved in some fashion after the massive contract he signed. Again, that's just for the foreseeable future, because it's hard to imagine that the decision-making duo sees a quarterback on the verge of 30 as up-and-down as Fitzpatrick as the long-term starter. They clearly like him, though. They also seem to like Thigpen, and with two years remaining on his deal as Fitzpatrick's well-paid backup, the team appears set in the short-term at the position.
FREE AGENCY: It's hard to imagine the Bills paying any attention whatsoever to the free agent quarterback class, given the market-level deals for their starter (Fitzpatrick) and backup (Thigpen). Stop dreaming about Matt Flynn right now, Bills fans, lest you manufacture a new level of disappointment that shouldn't have existed to begin with.
2012 NFL DRAFT: It's just my opinion, but I firmly believe three things about the Bills and the quarterback position entering the 2012 NFL Draft. First: the team's stance on Fitzpatrick hasn't changed, even after the big contract. If they like a quarterback when they're on the clock at No. 10 overall, they'll take him. Second: the chances of a quarterback they like being on the board at No. 10 are extremely remote. Third: Nix won't trade up for a quarterback he likes. The team desperately needs to start developing a guy for the long-term, but don't expect the Bills to make that developmental guy a first-round pick. Not in 2012, anyway.
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100% agree
no qb in 2012, no way, contracts talk
proud to be a die hard bills fan from france
Resign stevie, chandler and scott, theni will think about april
but
saying this, i’m not high on our qb situation
proud to be a die hard bills fan from france
Resign stevie, chandler and scott, theni will think about april
by le f07 on Jan 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bills will never get to the next level w/ Fitz. Too inconsistent, & not accurate on deep balls. He is a backup QB being forced to start. Never should’ve signed him to that deal mid season. Bills need to draft and DEVELOP a QB. Hopefully the new coach in 2013 wil do that.
Even if the Bills believe they can win with Fitz, they can never have too many promising QB’s. Look at the Patriots. They have one of the best QB’s of all time with Tom Brady, they had Matt Cassel, traded him for draft picks, they have Brian Hoyer, who is at a similar skill level to Cassel and could be worth some high picks, and they just drafted Ryan Mallett, who has the potential to become the next Drew Bledsoe given time to sit and learn.
As long as Chan has the willpower to ignore calls for a QB controversy, Buffalo should grab a QB if they think they have a franchise guy (like Tannehill) available, and keep him on the roster while starting Fitz and going for the playoff run.
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by DanRoc on Jan 2, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd DanRoc.........
Your analysis of the Patriots is a perfect example of what we need to do.
Instead of signing another Thiggy.
We should have a couple of guys like you listed ready to go if Fitz goes down next year.
Or gets benched.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
No QB in this draft.
We dont have that luxury. We can still draft a defensive player (OLB, DE) at #10 who can come in and start next season. That should be the priority – and we roll with Fitz until we’re no longer a bottom feeder defense
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by BillyGoats_DC on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
No
Get QB with #10 overall pick if he’s there!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure why youd want to get a QB with our first pick (you didnt explain) ..
But bringing in a rook qb with the talent level on this offense (none besides stevie, jackson and spiller) would stunt progress. No qb in the league would win more than 8 games with our putrid defense. I bet Fitz does OK if he had a threat at TE, and a decent set of WR’s. I vote develop the PASS RUSH
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by BillyGoats_DC on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
I vote develop QB!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
First rule of the draft
If a franchise QB is available when you are drafting (and you don’t already have one), you take them.
A Franchise QB is one that can, in time, win you a Super Bowl with his play. There is no question that it is a boon to have one on the roster, or, as I said, multiple QB’s, allowing you to hedge your bets against injury and to cook up draft picks. I suggested that, if we have a franchise QB available, we draft them, and we sit them.
As long as Chan has the willpower to ignore calls for a QB controversy, Buffalo should grab a QB if they think they have a franchise guy (like Tannehill) available, and keep him on the roster while starting Fitz and going for the playoff run.
I don’t think Chan should start our new QB, if we draft him, at all next year. He will earn my utmost respect if he avoids QB controversy calls and rolls with Fitzpatrick all year long. Fitzpatrick can and should start all next year – he’s earned it and he isn’t terrible. The Bills will then have a ready and able franchise QB waiting.
It’d be harder to go for a “potential” franchise QB if the talent matched up better with our biggest need – Pass Rush. But it does not at all this year. Each player has questions:
Coples – no drive, poor motor
Upshaw – not quite built as a pass rusher, not elite measurables
Perry – still raw and unproven, “workout warrior”
etc.
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
I think you are right about everything you wrote Brian....and it makes me very sad
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Jan 2, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
D FENCE
Look at Baltimore and San Francisco, they’re doing just fine without top 10 quarterbacks, I think the Bills can do that well with Fitz, lets work on the defense and get some depth at WR.
by flagday84 on Jan 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
ummmmmmm.....Alex Smith was drafted #1
the talent was always there and he is finally getting a chance to show it.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Plus, Joe Flacco is a decent QB as well, just having a down season
Which, is still an ok year, considering he has thrown 20 tds vs 12 ints. Those are his “down year” stats.
Just last year he threw for 25 tds vs only 10 ints!
This is only his 4th year in the league…and check out the receivers he is throwing to this year:
Torrey Smith – rookie, 2nd rounder out of Maryland is the top starting WR!
Lee Evans – injured most of the year, has just 4 catches.
Anquan Boldin – biggest name, has been playing injured all year, having down year as result.
LaQuon Williams – undrafted guy, has like 4 catches.
Tandon Doss – rookie, 4th rounder out of Indiana, has like 4 catches.
I mean, sure, seeing names like Boldin and Evans looks nice, but Evans has played maybe 1 game all year, and Boldin has been playing hurt all year…leaving a group of WRs that don’t even compare to Buffalos.
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by StroudFanClub on Jan 2, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
This comment makes it sound you are rating qbs based on draft position. I know u k.ow this, but lots of “talented” first round qbs are terrible in the nfl.
by Gr8fulnfa on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I actually agree, those QBs do absolutely nothing special— but they have top 5 defenses. We have a bottom five defense :-(. It might be easier to improve the team at the QB position than getting the defense to the point where an average QB matters. We really need to improve both…
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Jan 2, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yet both were
first round QB’s, so not sure if comparing them to 7th rounder Fitz is quite appropriate.
Check out http://mocknfldrafts.blogspot.com/
by Billsdownunder on Jan 2, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Rating qbs
I don’t think u can rate a qb based on draft position. I think it is better to rate them on how they are playing in the Nfl. There ability now is what helps a team get to the playoffs.
by Gr8fulnfa on Jan 4, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They may not be top 10 QBs, but here's the difference:
Fitzpatrick: 23 INTs (leads NFL)
Flacco: 12 INTs in 27 less attempts
Smith: 5 INTs in 123 less attempts (lowest INTs in NFL among qualified QBs)
Part of the reason our defense is so bad is because of the turnovers. I’m not saying that’s the whole reason, but it’s part of it.
by nickfeely8 on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Alex Smith is game managing. 123 attempts is a lot less because SF is content to punt and let the defense play defense. Fitz has no such luxury — nany of Fitz’s picks are forcing plays or high risk passes because we are desperate to keep the ball and get the first down. SF is towards the bottom in passing yards per game, passing yards in total and passing tds — because Alex isn’t being tasked with much pressure. QBR tries to account for some of that and Alex looks b a d. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-season
This is not me defending Fitz’s picks, but I think these other QBs are flawed and play on much better teams. Reverse the roles, I don’t see a huge difference.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
So it's chicken or the egg, then
Is part of the reason SF’s defense is so good because the offense doesn’t turn it over, or does SF not turn it over because they are “game managing” because they know their defense is so good?
Personally, I think it’s a little bit of both, and Smith gets credit from me for taking care of the football which is, to me, the most important thing a winning team can do.
by nickfeely8 on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Yeah our D is like 10 yrs. from being Balt. or SF. Get a QB and stop making dumb signings IE Fitz and take a gamble at QB for future, this franchise is drafting scared!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Drafting Jeffries out of south Carolina will instantly make any qb we have better
Goin off the rails on the "missin' for griffin" train
by J. Mackin on Jan 2, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Missing on Thiggy's profile...
… The 2012 highlight: warming up at Toronto, with the ball hitting his head. Enough said.
by amfasolo on Jan 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
As much as I want to believe that Fitz is the answer...
his play certainly doesn’t make me feel confident. I think this draft has a lot of promise QB wise, but unfortunately I’d be surprised if the Bills draft any of them.
It’s a tricky situation because of how much support Fitz seems to have in the locker room. Plus considering the ridiculous contract the FO gave him mid-season, I doubt they’d be willing to admit that they may have messed up and that Fitz may not be who they thought he was.
I love Fitz. But I don’t think he’s our guy. The great ones play great far more consistently than he does. The Bills have more needs than just a QB, and I expect them to tackle those needs before going after another QB.
Bills need a different backup
Thigpen’s throws went all over the place. If the Bills are going to run a pass-first offense, they need a QB who can get the ball to the receivers.
definitely
Thigpen is useless. I would love to see them take a late-round flier on a project QB like Case Keenum than stick with a QB who is not even a quality backup. While I am not overly impressed with Fitz, I was very thankful that he never got knocked out of a game.
by SiriusRed on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is because we don't really have a backup :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
It’s bad enough that we have a quality backup as our starter and a guy who I’m shocked he can carry a clipboard without turning it over to the other team as our backup.
by SiriusRed on Jan 2, 2012 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thigpen is useless based on what?
In the past he has produced under Gailey.
I like him as a back-up.
Yeah
Thigpen’s been inconsistent lately?
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on no first-rounder.
I think they’ll pick a wideout at #10 given the draft class having so much more depth at pass rushing. The question is when they do pick a QB; I’m sure it will happen, probably at the third round level, but I really do wish they’d held onto Levi Brown for some reason. He was raw, but what do you expect from a 7th rounder?
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
The fact that this year's "State of the Buffalo Bills Roster: Quarterback" article
has not materially changed for the better from the exact same article from 2 years ago infuriates me.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/1/21/1263112/state-of-the-bills-roster
Back then, it was written that, “What the new regime might be looking for:
The answer to that is pretty obvious: change. Neither Nix nor Gailey sounded particularly enthused about Buffalo’s current stable of quarterbacks, and with good reason: none is a starting-caliber player.”
I simply cannot believe the Bills have gone 2 complete years without acquiring a young, talented QB to begin developing as their franchise QB. It blows my mind. Most important position in all of sports. I would seriously consider drafting a QB each and every year…at least you could trade one and get decent value back (Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Kevin Kolb, etc all were traded for good compensation. Hell, even Charlie Whitehurst earned San Diego a third round pick back…after playing in just 2 regular season games in 4 years!)
It really makes me question if the decision makers at One Bills Drive “get it”. Do they really understand how important the position is to the fortunes of a football team? Buddy Nix was in San Diego when they drafted Brees and Rivers….surely he should understand how having those two guys have resulted in San Diego elevating it’s play from crappy to continuous playoff team?
It’s the most frustrating thing I have ever dealt with in my sports-life. I can’t express how shocked I am at this. I try not to allow every post I make here come back to the QB position…but it does anyway, because that’s just how important it is to have a good one. I just can’t get excited about talking about any other position, because at the end of the day, if Fitzpatrick is the best QB option, the team isn’t winning it all.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Jan 2, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
well said...rec'd
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
rec'd completely agree SFC!
I believe OBD had no choice but to sign Fitzy to an extension this year, but the 6 years surprised me because of the fact they need fitzy to be starter for one or two more years at the most if they go draft a franchise QB…
We thought last year after Newton went to Carolina that the Bills needed to draft a run stuffer or OLB… I was fine with the Darius pick. But after Locker, Ponder, went higher than expected, then we were sitting there at the top of the second round with a chance to move up a little to draft Dalton or (my choice) Kaepernick, then went with Aaron Williams at CB, I was a bit “steamed”. Hindsight, Williams looks like he will be a good player, but Dalton sure looked strong this year for Cincy. We don’t know what Kaepernick will be, but thought that would have been the perfect developmental QB with knowing the Pistol offense and being super athletic.
Thinking Nix had another QB in his “back-pocket” then didn’t draft another QB when he said that he would be looking at bringing in one. Hence we end up with Thiggy, Brad Smith and Josh Nesbitt in Free Agency.
Ugghhh!!!!
OBD and Ralph just don’t “GET IT”
This is really interesting to me
Was he fired because he wanted to keep Manning or because he wanted to draft Luck and trade Manning?
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Maybe because they haven’t had a decent draft in like 5 years?
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In all fairness
I though Charles Johnson, and jerry Hughes were gonna be pretty good.
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I'm with you Stroud
The Bills had the perfect chance to pick up a future franchise QB last year in the second round (if you weren’t high on Colin Kaepernick they could have taken Andy Dalton), but they totally blew it. The great success that Dalton has enjoyed this past year leading his team to the playoffs makes it clear that Nix & Co. DON’T always know what they are doing. Now they may be in position again this year to repeat the same mistake with Ryan Tannehill. Let’s hope they don’t, but if someone insisted that I bet, my wager would be that they will blow it again.
by Macktruck on Jan 2, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree with you
Unless the Bills are hoping to draft top ten again next year they need to make a choice at QB this year and develop him for the future – the further down the draft board you are the less likely you are to get that guy. Hopefully this time next year we aren’t talking about draft picks and state of the roster because the site will be packed with playoffs articles.
Check out http://mocknfldrafts.blogspot.com/
by Billsdownunder on Jan 2, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Williams was a great pick
I would rather of tannehill than Dalton.
You are now Watching The Throne.
It remains to be seen if Aaron Williams was a great pick. He certainly had a bad game against New England, although that was only one outing and he has played pretty well on other occasions. As for Dalton vs Tannehill, I’m not sure. One thing we now know is that Dalton is a proven quantity. He has demonstrated that he can guide an NFL team over the course of a season. But Tannehill has a stronger arm and may have a much higher upside.
My main point remains that the Bills desperately need to draft a future franchise QB and develop him. Each year they don’t do that is another year lost in terms of getting the team its leader of the future.
What?
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
See, I didn't see anything from Dalton...
… so I’m good with them taking A-Wil instead. What bothers me is they cut Levi Brown loose and hired Tyler Thigpen. Yes, this is what bugged me. I wasn’t the one to first say ‘why take a dev project and not DEV him?’ but I fully agree with that.
This draft, I don’t think Tannehill is worth a #10 and the ones who are worth that? Are long gone by the time we draft. But I would not object to picking up a project in the middle rounds. If it’s late… we’re planning on trading up for Barkley next year.
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
by Orlando John on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think he’s not worth #10 because he won’t be a franchise QB? Because if, in five years, he has given us a few AFC Championships and a SB, who cares wher ehe was picked this year?
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Cincy has been a much better team recently, too. They swept the AFC North just a few years ago. Dalton has thrown less, has a lower completion %, and lower yards per attempt avg than Fitz. He’s a rookie, so the future looks good, but I’m not convinced Dalton is an upgrade over Fitz. Aaaron Willimas will almost certainly be a starter next year.
Well said SFC
Yet, the belief is we are on our way and on schedule in the exalted “rebuild”.
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
Might I Add
Exalted and repetitive rebuild. Were the poster child of the continous rebuild! The grand poo ba!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
If it was easy, every team would win the Superbowl every year. Of course, I’m disappointed too. To see opposing teams smiling and laughing on the sidelines half way thru the 3rd quarter infuriates me. That’s why I was glad we concentrated on D last draft. We had to stop getting run over. In large part, we accomplished that. There are still problems on D though. If we spend the first two or three picks there again this Spring, fine with me. OLB, CB, OLB.
no comments necessary
perfectly reasoned post. I think everyone knows exactly what, barring the miraculous, will happen next year. An opportunity for a better QB will come along in the next few years-in the meantime there is no need to, nor will there be any, rush to upgrade this position over others.
by FrankL on Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Theres no need to rush to upgrade this position?
I just cant fathom how anyone in this fanbase can have this viewpoint. We havent had a legitimate franchise quarterback since Jim Kelly. Weve barely sniffed the playoffs once in 12 years. Its been said time and again on this blog, with various evidence to back it up, that having a franchise QB is by far the most important aspect of having a team that can consistently make the playoffs and eventually contend for a Super Bowl. I just dont get how we can still have an “Eh, we’ll get one eventually, lets watch Fitz/Edwards/Losman/etc. try another year” attitude. Fitz is an average to slightly below average starting quarterback. Why would we not want the organization to attempt to upgrade this position as soon as possible? Im completely with SFC and his post above. If your team doesnt have a franchise quarterback (or one of the best defenses in the NFL), then getting a franchise quarterback is priority number 1. The Bills have neither.
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by kfisk214 on Jan 2, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think you overlooked the word “rush” there. Nobody is arguing that the Bills don’t need to upgrade. Once upon a time, however, they rushed to upgrade in the form of J.P. Losman. The point here is that they’re not going to try something new just for the sake of change. They’re trying to find the right guy.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2012 7:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Very valid point
I was thinking more of a happy-medium between “rush” and “no rush”. I just dont agree with the yearly feeling that we can wait til next year to find a franchise guy. Obviously, youre right that we shouldnt be hoping for the organization to rush things and get desperate and end up with another Losman situation. Im more taking exception to the notion that QB doesnt need to be prioritized over other positions. Im fully on board with upgrading the pass rush, finding better receiving options, etc. I just dont think that those should be prioritized over franchise QB. And your point, that we cant force the issue and take a QB just for the sake of taking a QB, is something I definitely agree with. Im just sick of waiting, and the fact that Nix and Co. seem perfectly content with Fitz worries me.
STAN UP MY BUFFALO NATION OUR DESTINY AWAITS AND WE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE LAND AND FIGHT FOR ALL THATS BEEN DENIED TO US - abayarde, who else?
by kfisk214 on Jan 2, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah well, there isn't going to be a franchise QB this year
Not at the 10th pick, and not for anything remotely close to 10th overall. Trading up to get both Losman and MaGahee really screwed the Bills for a few years over the next few drafts and I’d hate to see them make the same mistake here. Reaching for a guy is a bad idea when the whole team is bad.
All I’m saying is that in a few years there will be another #1 overall, super great, franchise QB because there always is one. Granted half the time they bust, but no one knows how Luck or RG3 is going to turn out either. I’d rather have as many other things right as possible when the Bills take that gamble, than to put it all on the table this year for the extra it will cost.
Yeah Well
Than no QB no production on offense and better hope D gets better! 12 and seems like counting!!
If you didn't like my last post wait till you read the next! :) Until we draft/acquire franchise QB we'll be setting records for losing soon!
by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
The offense produced
At times, not completely and always, but it did produce. Eventually there will be room and a place to get a QB-just not now.
They were in the top half of the league in passing, points and rushing
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/
And that was without (at times) Fred Jackson, Andy Levitre, Eric Wood, any number of WRs and Rian Lindell.
Yeah well, you dont know that
Nor do I know that there is going to be a franchise QB this year. I havent come close to making up my mind on what I would like to see the Bills do with the 10th pick, but Im certainly not ruling out QB. I know what youre getting at with having other things in place, and Im not saying that strategy is absolutely wrong. I just believe that finding a QB as soon as possible is the better route. If theres no franchise worthy QB at 10 and they take an impact player at another position, fine. But passing on a franchise QB because theres not enough other pieces in place is the wrong way to go IMO. We dont know where well be picking and who will be available in a few years, so I dont agree with the notion that we can just put it off until the organization decides the timing is perfect.
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If there is a franchise QB at 10 they'll take them
And as the post, and my original comment, said, is that they should. There just won’t be one there.
they'll take *him
Sorry, not *them. It’d be nice to be able to take more than one person with one pick.
I guess I didnt really mean to get after you about this then. I disagreed with the very end of your original comment and just kind of used it as a jumping off point to vent some frustration. I would like to think everyone would agree that if theres a franchise guy, take him. You believe there wont be this year, I havent made up my mind about that yet. DJ’s post earlier in the week, as well as watching the Texas A&M bowl game got me interested in Tannehill, but Im not ready to commit to thinking hes the man, especially at 10.
Losman was poorly coached and McGahee wasn’t properly managed. McGahee was a good player for the Bills who didn’t want to stay in the area. He’s a dill pickle but wasn’t a bad pick, even sitting out a year.
Losman may be one of those busted QBs, but he never had a chance in Buffalo, with the coaching he was “afforded.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nix and Co. seem perfectly content with Fitz
I think the opposite is true. Nix stated clearly that if the right guy was there, he would pull the trigger.
Yeah
Why try to win?
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by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
my assessments
Fitzpatrick — C
Lacks the arm strength and accuracy of an elite QB. Although his best weapon is his ability to read defenses, he forces everything. His lack of touch causes receivers to drop/deflect too many passes. When he’s on, he’s more than adequate. When he’s off, he’s a train wreck. He could get the team to the playoffs, but it will take a total team effort. He is not capable of carrying the team on his back and willing them to victory like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady can. No matter what happens, barring major off-season injury, he will be the starter for 2012.
Thigpen – F
He has game experience, although none of it is good. Lacks any semblance of accuracy. Not worth keeping around. We would be better off keeping Brad Smith as the #2 and finding a project QB in the draft to develop. However, Chan loves to work with people he is familiar with (e.g. — Tashard Choice, George Edwards, and Dave Wannstedt). Sadly, I doubt that he is going anywhere.
Brad Smith – D
Looked okay running from the wildcat, but only when he was decisive… which was about half the time. Did not look good throwing the ball from the wildcat, but wasn’t used in this capacity enough, thereby rendering the wildcat useless because it became a telegraphed running play. Really, a missed opportunity for Gailey to put some trickery into what was otherwise a dull playbook. Where were the end around option passes or fleaflickers?
Draft prospects: Like Brian said, if there is a guy Nix really likes at #10, he’ll take him… but there won’t be anybody he likes that much left on the board. Hopefully, they will grab a project QB like Case Keenum in a later round once they feel that the major holes have been addressed.
Free agency: No chance. If you think the Bills will go shopping for a FA QB, then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
by SiriusRed on Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Brad Smith is no longer a QB
I believe the Bills will put him at WR permanently.
Ive seen a few mocks where it has us taking
Russell Wilson in the 4th. I wouldnt mind that at all. I know hes short, but he seems to have all the tools. He cant be worse than Thigpen and hes very mobile. Plus with the extra 4th rounder this year, I would do that if hes there.
Come on Buffalo, please?
I just don't get this
If Wilson is good enough why is every team passing on him 3 times for the most important position on the field? Sure, Wilson has some ability but don’t you think he would go in the 2nd round like Dalton and Kaepernick did last year?
Check out http://mocknfldrafts.blogspot.com/
by Billsdownunder on Jan 2, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure why his stock is falling
But I’ve seen multiple mocks that have him 4th and lower right now, if hes available when were up in the 4th id take him.
Come on Buffalo, please?
by bflo on Jan 2, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
aaah
I see what you are saying. I think Wilson has a lot of potential although his height is a worry and maybe why his stock is falling. I am just hopeful the Bills have already drafted a QB before the 4th round, ie: the first.
Check out http://mocknfldrafts.blogspot.com/
by Billsdownunder on Jan 2, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because
he’s short as h@ll
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The mocks I’ve seen have him in the third, or even second.
I’d definitely take him in the third, as long as we remember what happened to our last third round QB. (As in do NOT give him the ball for good until he’s got a season under his belt. I think that is what killed Trent.)
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
by Orlando John on Jan 2, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
NOT give him the ball for good until he’s got a season under his belt. I think that is what killed Trent.)
That and a lack of pocket awareness.
There's no question Fitz will be the QB for the forseeable future?
Surely the GM will evaluate every position and I hope he realizes the blunder of that contract. Unless Peter King/Mike Florio have been debunked (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/12/20/week.15/index.html) then the possibility of applying the savings from Fitzpatrick’s contract against a new QB ought to be at least explored. I realize you cited his performance doesn’t match his pay level but for such a cheap franchise, I’d think they’d at least suss out all available options before being forced to swallow the remainder of the contract.
Keep in mind that “foreseeable future” may not entail much more than a calendar year – if that.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2012 7:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Meaning
We sign Matt Flynn:)
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by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
They could all be gone by this time next year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fitzpatrick Ceiling?
We might have seen the ceiling with Fitzpatrick… He is suppose to be smart to dissect a defense, but has a hard time elevating the play of the players around him. Then when mistakes happen isn’t one to bounce back himself. 62% completion rate, approx 3900 yards and 24 TDs and 23 Ints… is about what you’ll see from an average NFL starting QB. Granted they had injuries and whatnot throughout the year, but do we expect something more from him? 5000 yards…. 2-1 TD to INT ratio… a winning record?
I just don’t know if he provides anymore than what we’ve already seen…
Every year I hope the Bills take a decent QB....and most years they don't....I'm gonna hold that hope yet again this year
It needs to be a QB that is used to winning and having success….that’s why I’m holding out hope for a Keenum or Moore later on after drafting the most talented available player in the early rounds…
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 2, 2012 4:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree on BOTH those suggestions . . .
It’ll be interesting to see where the analysts like McShay and Kiper have both those guys going but I see both as great grooming prospects. Keenum plays a spread offense, he’s accurate (especially his deep ball), and he’s put up monster numbers. Moore (who I’ve been a big fan of for 2 years) is crazy accurate, incredibly knowledgeable and known for making smart decisions. The critics can pick them apart on a the standard NFL criteria but if we’re looking for quality 2nd or 3rd rounders to groom, I think both would be excellent.
by RockyMTBillsFan on Jan 2, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Moore
Would seem like a sleeper!
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by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think this article, and other “State Of The [insert position]” articles that will follow, should not be published until past mid-January.
We are still dealing with the disappointments of the last game, and the season overall. Need time to clear out and reflect.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 2, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions
Perhaps fans shouldn’t be commenting on them until mid-January, but I’m good with writing them now. We won’t be in a rush, to be sure. It’s a long off-season.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 2, 2012 7:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
State Of The Buffalo Bills Roster: Quarterback?
The state is we need one, bad…….Fitztragic is NOT the answer.
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Fitz
Fitz has a head with no arm. I would bring in Bill Polian and his son in a heartbeat. Ralp will not spend that type of money. A.J Smith will be let go from S.D. and could reuite, with Bill Polian. Nix, should be ready to retire. Nothing againist him. he works for a owner that is run by beancounters.
by azbillsfan on Jan 2, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with nothing in your comment
Bill Polian is done. His son isn’t very good. A.J. Smith has made SERIOUS mistakes with the Chargers in the last few years. I’m not saying Nix has been much better, but I can’t see that he’s been worse.
Oh, and Ralph’s not particularly cheap. If he was, why would he give Fitz that “giant” contract.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Jan 2, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny
Fitz, perfectly depicted. Head with no arm. Perfect.
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by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I have been flip-flopping on Fitz since last year
At first I never thought he could be a starting QB, and I thought last year proved he wasn’t the long term answer, but I was okay with him for another year or two. Then this year started and he played great, and I thought he could be the guy, he got the extension and now we are here and my conclusion is he is average, great sometimes, decent most of the time, and awful sometimes. Which is what I think everyone would agree on.
Last year I wanted to draft Ponder in the second and have him develop behind Fitz for the next 1-2 years. Obviously that didn’t work out, but I think we need to draft a QB this year -in the first round. Fitz is the guy for next year for sure. But we need to start developing a franchise QB. There is no question about it, because there is no question that Fitz is not that guy. We still need to get another WR and resign Stevie, and run the ball more. We need to get talent at OLB (2 starters), and another CB. Then Fitz will probably be better, but it is clear that he doesn’t have the accuracy or the arm strength of an elite QB.
So next year we draft our Franchise QB in the 1st Round. Draft OLB and CB (2,3), draft OLB and WR (4,4) and depth on the DL/OL/ILB the rest (not necessarily in that order depending on who is available). And obviously add FAs. Fitz will play out next year with an improved WR core, and an improved defense (w/ Wannstedt calling plays) and we might make the playoffs or come close (if we don’t come close (8-8 is close enough) then we may need an entirely new coaching staff). If we make the playoffs great, if not, next year the 1st Round QB starts. He will have a year to learn the offense and will have a good team around him. If somehow we make the playoffs the 1st Round QB may start anyway, but he could sit for another year if Fitz’s play improves dramatically next year.
We have to draft a QB now because Fitz is not the answer, and we need to start developing the QB of the future now.
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by tomcs on Jan 2, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
Sad to hear you think we pass on QB once again. Quess OBD waiting till we pick #1 overall.? At this rate thats not to hard to imagine!
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Quess OBD waiting till we pick #1 overall.? At this rate thats not to hard to imagine!
Winning more games this year than last year?
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Nope
Obviously the opposite my confused/funny friend? It will require that we lose more rather than win more to pick sooner!
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by buffalobacker on Jan 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
He was talking about you saying
At this rate
Need a 3rd
Need a 3rd developmental maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Should've nickname Williams "last call"
Not the prettiest out there but gets the job done
Goin off the rails on the "missin' for griffin" train
by J. Mackin on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Tannehill could be a possibility
He could potentially be a guy they like, and I think there is a shot he isn’t rated crazy first round high.
I’ve yet to form a definitive opinion of him, but I think I can see the possibility that teams see him as a franchise guy.
That would probably be the only way the Bills draft a QB to be the franchise guy in this draft, but I would rate their chances slightly more than “extremely remote” for it to happen.
Thigpen!
What a stupid, stupid, stupid signing! Not only did they way overpay him, they wasted a roster spot. We’d all fell a lot better if that spot was manned by a player who had good potential. The guy would have been here a year now. One of the dumber philosophies I’ve ever heard was getting a QB who won"t cause a controversy.
PodunkO - The great post ender!
Basically?
Thigpen’s just a body. He’s not thought of as anyone we feel comfortable leaving the ball in his hands for the rest of the game. Fitz got a helmet-to-helmet contact in the Redskins game while we were whipping their asses, and we went ‘oh, crap, here comes Thigpen’. Even the guys who hate Fitz did that. Fitz may be a glorified backup, though I personally disagree, but Thigpen is glorified as a backup.
That is all.
If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.
by Orlando John on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
a QB who won"t cause a controversy.
I’ll answer this because I was one of the people who advocated avoiding a QB controversy last off-season. On a team with lots of needs, I felt QB was not one of those needs. We had a leader who deserved a full shot, from training camp to week 17. Drafting a 1st rounder or making a splashy FA signing would have muddied the waters. We would have been back to the “open competition” that chewed up so much time and energy pre-2010. Believe it or not, I think allowing Fitz to be The Man was a helpful thing. He has a much more complete body of work to evaluate now.
by JapanJohn on Jan 3, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wisconsins Wilson
Wouldn’t be a bad choice to take a 3rd round flyer on
Goin off the rails on the "missin' for griffin" train
by J. Mackin on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nick Foles
In the second is my personal preference.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick, thanks for everything you did for the team this year. The wheels were falling off the bus by mid-season, but you started all 16 games, did your best, took responsibility for the INTs, etc.
I admire Fitz’s leadership. This team could have imploded during that rough patch mid-season. It didn’t.
It’s helpful to have a full season to evaluate Fitz by.
The GOOD: Stayed aggressive. Showed toughness again (Fletcher hit). Spoke out in favor of re-signing Stevie post-Pats game. 24 TDs. Two more wins this year than last
the BAD: 23 INTs (gotta rein that in). inconsistent accuracy (could be helped with a more balanced attack and not playing from behind as often).
CONCLUSION: Fitz was a mixed bag this year. I hoped he would put a stranglehold on the job; he didn’t. Therefore, I’m OK whichever way Nix wants to play it. Draft a 1st round QB? OK. Pick up a developmental guy with good promise? OK. Stand pat with Fitz? That, too, I’m OK with.
by JapanJohn on Jan 3, 2012 2:02 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
for the Tannehill lovers
I understand how everybody wants a real franchise QB in the draft, but there won’t be one left at #10, nor will Buddy Nix overreach for one. Unless something spectacular happens in the Senior Bowl and/or combine, there is no way the Bills will or should take Tannehill at #10. He has only a year and a half of experience at QB, making him way too much of a risk and a project to immediately call him a franchise QB. The bust potential is very high.
Buddy Nix is not the sort of guy to take a player with such limited experience in the first round. If he slips to the second round, he might be a possibility, but I still don’t think Nix would take him. If there’s a team willing to take Tannehill in the first round, good for them… but it won’t be the Bills.
by SiriusRed on Jan 3, 2012 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If this is true:
Third: Nix won’t trade up for a quarterback he likes.
Then he needs to be fired. Today. And swiftly. It’s a joke if he’s unable to see the merits in securing a franchise QB via proactive methods.
Even the Jets, where Sanchez hasn’t worked out (not enough college experience, I said from the start), it’s not like giving up those picks to get him set the team back.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
I'm satisfied with Fitz
We have much bigger fish to fry than looking for a new QB. I think Fitz did a remarkable job given the cast around him. How many of those INTs were from catchable passes clanging off a WR’s hands or chest? Is he really that inaccurate? His pass completion percentage stacks up with the top guys in the league. There were plenty of passes off players’ hands and such. His down field throws didn’t seem to be as inaccurate as they were under thrown, which is no surprise. A cannon is not something Fitz has!
I think it would be folly to do anything but continue to build the team around Fitz. He is the best QB and leader we’ve had in a while! I am so leery of another QB prospect/project. When we have a solid defense and we’re still losing games, then we’ll talk about new QBs.
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