My draft v2.0
Ok, things have changed sufficiently enough that I can't resist putting my second mock draft. Under classmen have done declaring and we know who is in and who is out. Also, many have risen and fallen and obviously will continure doing that.
In addition, this time I am considering one more factor which I have seen few consider. I am considering all the 2013 free agents also. I noticed in last year's draft that Buddy definitely hedged himself against potentially losing some 2012 free agents. And I think a lot of teams do look one year ahead in deciding their draft.
2012 FAs re-signed : stevie, chandler, choice, hagan, morrison
2012 FAs let go: bell (injury prone), corner, davis, ruvell martin, parrish (injury prone), bryan scott, torbor
2013 FAs most likely re-signed: jackson, byrd, levitre
2013 FAs to be replaced in draft: merriman, corey mcintyre, david nelson, donald jones, namaan roosevelt
Injury-prone cuts: mcgee, merriman (later in the season if mercilus works out sooner than expected)
As you can see we can lose as many as 7 WRs by this time next year. 5 even if we re-sign stevie and hagan. I definitely think we are drafting 2 WRs in this draft.
Here's my draft. Once again, I am using cbs draft prospect rankings for this. I will use other rankings as well in April.
1. Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, 6'4 265 lbs, Illinois
Many will definitely find fault in him but I think he is the best option. He has both power to bull rush and speed. He might a one year hit but he is no maybin. He has no fast metabolism which will take his weight to 228 lbs. He doesnt need to be great at coverage as we are going to play a hybrid defense and he fits the rusher role in both. He fits Nix's mold of a pass rusher. For the first 4-5 games he doesnt even need to play. He can learn behind merriman and contribute more once merriman goes down. He is no von miller but could be aldon smith. He ofcourse led the nation in sacks this year.
2. Alshon Jeffery, WR, 6'4 229 lbs, South Carolina
I had jeffery going in the first round in my first mock which was a big reach. Looks like he has fallen further enough that I am taking him in the 2nd round. That's great news for us. He is the guy who Nix was talking about being uncovered even when covered.
3. Bobby Massie, OT, 6'6 325 lbs, 5.17 40 time, Ole Miss
This guy is my favorite pick. I havent seen him in many mocks here so check this guy out. This guy declared suddenly and that's why he was under the radar. But his scouting reports are awesome. If he had stayed one more year he would be a high 1st round pick. He too can sit for the first quarter of the season behind hairston and eventually start at LT. He looks like a potentially great prospect for the future. One who can stay here for many years.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012OT.php
http://www.fanaticalfootballfiend.com/3/post/2011/9/bobby-massie-scouting-reports.html
4. Alameda Ta' Amu, NT, 6'3 337 lbs, Washington
He was supposed to go much higher but fallen down. He would be a good early 4th round prospect. We still are not able to improve our run defense substantially and we need another big guy in the middle in rotation. He is built similarly to dareus but does not have the same rushing ability. But he is an excellent run stuffer. Could be great if Troup doesnt work out.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2923
4b. Brandon Brooks, OG, 6'5 353 lbs, Miami (OH)
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37019
Based on the report, looks like a small school prospect with very high upside. He is already where we want Jasper to be. He will be behind Urbik improving his technique. I think he can be better than Urbik given time. He will make our inside runs and goal line situation so much better. A lot here dont want to draft Oline in this draft. I think we are nowhere close to being powerful and deep enough.
5. Rhett Ellison, TE, 6'5 250 lbs, USC
He can be developmental TE. A good option for 5th round.
5b Jeff Fuller, WR, 6'3 220 lb, Texas A&M
He has also fallen to around 5th round. He can be another big size receiver who can be depth and developmental prospect.
6. Phillip Blake, C, 6'2 320 lbs, Baylor
We need a good center backing up Eric Wood as he is getting close to being labelled injury prone. In many ways, Blake is a perfect fit. That's because he is quite old for a rookie at 26. But he also has a lot of experience playing. He wont be expected to be a starter but a really good backup.
http://www.fanaticalfootballfiend.com/3/post/2011/7/philip-blake-scouting-reports.html
7. Cody Johnson, FB, 5'11 252 lbs, Texas
For a full back you need a guy like a bowling ball. Cody Johnson is exactly that but he can run the ball too as he showed in Texas. With Corey Mcintyre only there for one more year we can have cody johnson in practice squad this year and promote him to the roster next year. That is if he is not better than mcintyre already.
You will see there are 2 defense guys and 7 offense guys. Many of you will discard this right away but I think we need quality in defense and depth in offense. Just by drafting more defense doesnt make us better. Maybe we can get a depth CB instead of a TE but I wouldnt change anything else.
This scenario addresses all our immediate weaknesses (passrusher, WR, LT) and stil keeps the option of upgrading via free agency open.
What do you guys think?
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I would be thrilled with this draft.
Mercilus and Jeffery are both guys I could see us taking with the #10 pick, I don’t know that Jeffery would fall to us in the 2nd but if he did it would be awesome…
This was my favorite part… For the first 4-5 games he doesnt even need to play. He can learn behind merriman and contribute more once merriman goes down.
See, I liked Brians article where he stated we need to draft full time starters. I like Mercilus’s upside don’t get me wrong. But I feel if we stayed at ten, we need to draft a top ten guy that can come in and give us 4 downs like Dareus. There a couple sure fire solid Tackles that could come right in and be every down great players. I feel like Upshaw is a real safe pick too if we stayed at ten. I think Mercilus has some big upside, but I would like it if we traded back to get him if we go that route
i dont see any scout saying mercilus is a part time player… and i dont think we need an immediate full time player if mercilus isnt one… that’s just short sighted….
jason pierre-paul didnt do much in his first year…
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yea i see a lot of similarities with him and pierre-paul which I like. It’s just the whole one year wonder thing that scares me a bit when you have a sure thing like Upshaw that can come in and you know he will be solid for years to come, similar to Dareus. I guess since we have been so bad at drafting in the past I would go with the safer pick in Upshaw coming from that Alabama defense. He played with Dareus and you really can’t miss with anyone from that defense they got in Bama. Upshaw I feel isn’t the flashy pick, similar to Dareus, but he will get the job done and I am fine with that.
agreed @ csc
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5th round pick?
Where did we get the extra 5th round pick?
by angryBuffaloSEMA on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Jeffery won't make it out of the first
I would like trading back and taking Mercilus at like 20. And if he isn’t there I wouldn’t be mad if we took Upshaw there. Nix proved he can find talent in all rounds last year, and an extra second or third would be nice as I see no def best pass rusher for us at 10…Mercilus looks like he has potential, but is a little risky for a top ten pick. I say drop back, pick up some picks and still take a shot on this guy….If we stayed at 10 I would be happier with one of the top Tackles
dont know about jeffery… his lack of production probably hurt him…
aldon smith rose so high very late in the draft… i think mercilus would be just fine at 10 by the time draft comes
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Scouts look past bad qb play all the time in wr example calvin johnson. South carlonia never got him a half decent qb to throw him the ball.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Calvin Johnson
played at Georgia Tech.
Your point is valid though that scouts consider how good or bad the QB was when evaluating a WR. The question with Jeffery is whether his QB was to blame or whether he’s just not elite.
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Getting Jeffery in the second is highly unrealistic. I have read he could go before we even picked in the first but certainly no later than the end of the first. In my opinion Massie won’t be there in the third either.
Very unlikely
that Jeffery goes before #10 overall. Take a good look at the list of available players in this draft, there are 9 or 10 elite prospects and a whole lot of other prospects as good or better than Jeffery at this point in time.
I believe it’s highly likely Jeffery falls to round 2 – whether he falls far enough for us to get him though is another thing. I could easily see him going to a team like the Rams or Browns early in round .
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Remember the draft that we took Hardy in… the two “sure fire” first rounders were Malcolm Floyd and Devin Thomas. Both guys were expected to be mid first round picks and fell to the 2nd round. Jeffrey is looked at as a mid-first rounder now and I think the combine is only going to hurt him. He will run slow and that will turn teams off a bit from taking him in the 1st round. Regardless he is still great value in the 2nd round.
Mercilius is going to fly up draft boards as we learn more about him and he starts to test at the combine.
by wagoncircler10 on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions
Since he was a total flop (and Brian’s original choice for the Bills top pick that year) I don’t expect you to remember that it was Malcolm Kelly not Malcolm Floyd.
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favorite draft so far
not sure Jeffery will be there, but that pick may quickly change after we finish FA, unless however we dont keep stevie.
If Stevie stays and we do infact get a mid to top level talent at WR in FA, a 2nd round WR is too high.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
yes
this is considering, as of now, no FA WR
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
A few things
1) I really think that OBD brings Bell back. I think next year many will be disappointed that the Bills have just Bell and Hairston. Bell might eventually be the back up behind Hairston, but if the Bills can bring him back cheap they will. The point is that I think Bills brass thinks they have the LT of the future on the roster already in Hairston, so why use a pick an another unless there is a guy that they are blow away by. That is just how I think that OBD thinks.
2) There is nothing wrong with putting what some consider to be reaches in your mocks when you do one this early. Guys will move, up, down, and even sideways, then back again before the draft starts. So I have no issue with the Jeffery pick.
3) I think, and this is just my opinion, but I strongly feel that the Bills will at the very least double up on pass rushers. I think that they will take 2 or even 3 DE/OLB.
Overall a very good mock
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yes, nix said he will bring bell back for competition at right price…
but my team upgrading strategy puts a heavy significance on cutting dead wood… i for 1 second will not believe bills injury issues, year after year, is just bad luck…
cut bell, parrish and others and bring in bigger, stronger guys… i think massie is an excellent prospect for that
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
a point about alshon jeffery
i did not draft him in the 2nd wishing he will fall… i just put him based on the rankings… he might move up again…
but the point is there are 2 other receivers in the 2nd round who might be a shade below jeffery
dwight jones
tommy streeter
What rankings have him going in the second round just curious
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
like i said, cbs rankings has him at 45 overall… that’s why i picked him up at 41
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Cbs ranks them as a rankings like cbs does and projections on where a guy will go. Cbs may rank the guy based on they think he is the 41 best prospect. I have seen them do it a few times and label him as a top ten projection. They do that alot.
"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus
by matthew62 on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That should say cbs ranks them as a top 50 rankings and projections on where a guy will go are diffrent things.
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by matthew62 on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
they say projected round = 2
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
lot of those are last year’s draft… can you give me a recent one coz i didnt see one
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bleacher report continues to have him in the top 10…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1034320-updated-2012-mock-draft-with-super-bowl-draft-order#/articles/1034320-updated-2012-mock-draft-with-super-bowl-draft-order/page/2
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Very nice...
I’ll stick with Upshaw at the 10 spot but if the Bills took the rest of your picks it could develop into an outstanding draft. I like the Massie pick and will check on the center from Baylor…
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Jeffrey wont drop into the second
Even though he is a fringe player i see him going to denver at 25
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Jan 23, 2012 3:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jeffrey wont drop into the second
oh, didnt know that
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
theres some good players on here, although i think ur being severely underrating jeffery and ta’amu by having them fall so far, and really overrating mercilus.
my biggest question is how do those 2 interior offensive linemen fit on the roster? youve got them letting bell walk, and then picking up 1 OT. unless im missing something, that sets the bills up with 3 tackles (unless youre the only person alive whose high on sam young?) and 7 interior guys. 10 offensive linemen making the rosters a huge stretch to begin with, and ill assume you think 2 of brown, urbik, and rinehart gets cut, but why the imbalance?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
i didnt put my 53 man roster so i didnt imply anything
i believe one should have 9 linemen
lt – massie, hairston
lg – levitre, rinehart
c – wood, blake
rg – urbik, brooks
rt – pears
they had only 3 OTs in 2010 so it’s nothing new…
unless youre the only person alive whose high on sam young
again with you tendency to never talk decent
regardless, either brown or young on PS if possible
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know what u mean by ‘never talk decent’. i was asking you if u were a sam young fan, simple as that.
i find it extremely unlikely that theyd want to keep 6 interior guys i guess. i get having depth, but i feel like 5 is enough and that roster spot would be better used on a guy who can help on special teams
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
You're right
in that they are very unlikely to keep 6 interior linemen on the active roster.
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Cause it's CJ Spiller - all Frickin Night, and no-ones gonna save you from the Beast that just struck ya. You know it's CJ Spiller ! You're fighting for your life against the Spiller Thriller tonight !
regardless of how much YOU want it to happen, NIX already stated that we were set with the interior of the O-line AND… would only draft tackles cause it’s easier to have a tackle kick in, than a guard kick out.
and this mock is what i would do… not what i think nix might do…
when i dont believe our guards are good why would i not draft guards just because nix made some statement…
i already am losing faith on this management, why would i draft exactly the way they would do
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I like it
But there is now way we are taking 3 OL in the draft. Maybe 2. I would switch that 4b pick for a CB. I think we will take 2 DBs, probably a FS. Remember Nix pretty much said he would never draft a guard. Or thats what I took it to mean.
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he did say he ‘never’ would, but he did make it clear he has no intention to at this time. nix said flat out he feels good about guard and center and would rather draft tackles
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
If Massie is flying under the radar until he declared, why do you think he will last until the third round
this draft is based on CURRENT cbs rankings… i didnt reach or make anyone fall… I didnt THINK he will last until 3rd round…
since you asked a question with obvious answer, yes, he would probably rise before april… i dont care about it now
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
for those high on upshaw
here are weigh in’s for senior bowl
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Senior-Bowl-WeighIn-Results-6395.html
he is really 6’1 273 lbs… he is definitely slipping further in my eyes
no i didnt read
i am just pointing out the 6’1 height…. he is probably shorter than moats… and these guys were confused what to do with moats… i think he is full 2-3 inches shorter than what nix is looking for…
i dont think upshaw will end up here
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think Upshaw is a safe pick. He is probably not going to be an all pro but he will be a very good every down player. I think anyone from that SEC conf and especially that Alabama defense would be fine. Nix likes guys from the SEC and he is the best available at his position. I think you know what your getting if you draft him. He will be a dependable linebacker in this league for years to come. He is not your pass rushing phenom but I really don’t see any worth taking here at eight that screams out “amazing pass rusher.”
Coples looks slow to me without a burst and Mercileus is a one year wonder I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking with the 10th pick. If we stay at ten, I would like to see Upshaw or one of the Tackles…I am fine with dropping down and taking a shot on Mercileus, but not at ten…He will most likely fly up draft boards if he runs around the combine or his pro day well like a lot of these guys, but bottom line is Upshaw knows how to win and knows how to play the position, a lot like Brandon Spikes did with Flordia. Everyone mocked Spikes on his really slow 40, but the guy is just a plain good old football player that can start for years, and thats what I see with Upshaw
He is not your pass rushing phenom but I really don’t see any worth taking here at eight that screams out "amazing pass rusher."
soooo.. look at another position?
good pass rushers that arent phenoms, as you just described, can be had in the second and third rounds.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Well I am saying he will be a very solid olb in this league. I have stated before I would like a top tackle here if we stayed or upshaw. If not we could drop back and pick up an extra pick and still get one of the other pass rushers. I think bottom line is we will be drafting two lbs so if we took upshaw in the first and some other pass rusher in the second that would be fine with most as well
by csc06258 on Jan 23, 2012 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in another note
Coples is a beast at 6’5 1/2 and 275
They will have to decide if they want a guy like that who is a traditional 43 guy or a guy like Mercilus who is quicker and can play 34 and 43.
Coples may be gone at 10 though.
Then again, I see Mercelus climbing as well
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Upshaw has short arms for a pass rusher.
Predictably, Kellen Moore and Russell Wilson come in under 6-0 tall.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
One interesting guy was Brian Quick the WR from Appalachian St. Has some really long arms to go along with good speed and size.
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
unrealistic
Theres way too much emphasis on the interior of the O-line. And… you value a reserve guard and FullBack over:
a developmental QB?
a CB to compete w/ Florence for the starting job?
a CB to replace McGee / McKelvin?
a Spur ILB/SS to replace Bryan Scott (a VERY important position in nickle who you want to cut)
That and I don’t think Mercilus is worth anything more than a late second / early third round pick. He’s a flash in the pan. NFP has him rated #70, Ta’Amu at #54 is actually ranked higher
yes, infact, to all of those
and he isnt a reserve guard… he is one with more potential than urbik….
by statcruncher on Jan 23, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Coples
I think we should go with coples in the first, because we will be more of a 43 defense next year. But still hybrid in that we will show some 34 looks. And coples is the perfect 43 defensive end. The next Julius peppers. And in the second a guy like vinny curry whos a hybrid de/olb.
by edrick88 on Jan 23, 2012 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The next Julius peppers
I will only ever say this once: Coples. is. not. the. next. Julius. Peppers.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Peppers is a freak athlete that Coples can only dream of being.
Personally, I view Coples as more of a 15-30 type prospect and am not as far down on him as some people are, but he’s definitely not Julius Peppers. Coples is a power player and if properly motivated, can be a stud pass rusher in that mold. Not like Peppers though.
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peppers is/was a complete freak of nature. at 290 lbs he could run in the 4.6 range. he had a lebron james level of athleticism except peppers was 40 pounds heavier. that should not be possible.
coples moves well for his size, and physically he may have similar dimensions to peppers, but thats pretty much where their similarities as players end. coples just doesnt have that kind of speed. no one whose that size has that kind of speed.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
can you remind me why?
i forgot
Because Julius Peppers doesn’t asexually reproduce.
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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well played
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Solved everyone's problem
10 BPA – Best OLB, WR or OT in draft, Round 2 – jared crick and I’m happy for rounds 1 and 2.
I thought julius peppers underwent budding? Go Bills

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