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Did Buffalo Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick Play Hurt?

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I get emails from Buffalo Bills conspiracy theorists multiple times per week. These emails are entirely harmless and detail the authors' opinions on a wide range of murky topics, ranging recently from what motives Stevie Johnson has in his apparent impending exodus from Buffalo to the idea that the Bills won't return to the playoffs until Billy Buffalo is replaced as the team mascot.

By far, however, the most popular conspiracy theorist email of late: Ryan Fitzpatrick played hurt for more than half of the 2011 season, and that's why he stunk as the year wore on. Most people point to the vicious hit to the ribs Fitzpatrick took from Washington Redskins linebacker London Fletcher in Week 8 as the proverbial breaking point in Fitzpatrick's - and Buffalo's - season.

Here are the facts of the matter: before that hit, Fitzpatrick was completing 67 percent of his passes at 7.6 yards per attempt with a 13-to-7 touchdown-to-interception ratio. After the hit, he completed 59 percent of his passes at 6.2 yards per attempt with an 11-to-16 touchdown-to-interception ratio. Before the hit, the Bills had scored 198 points in 6.5 games of football; they scored 174 in the final 9.5.

You tell me, Bills fans: is there something to this?

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That was a hell of a hit, London layed on Fitz and it was all legal. I am sure it didn’t feel good.

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by VanScottM on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

fletcher

this has nothing to do with fitz but why isn’t london fletcher still on the bills? the reason he isn’t is WHY the bills keep LOSING!!!

by sabre4264 on Jan 24, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

bigger factor

I think the bigger factor was the fact that defenses figured out what we were doing and crowded the line of scrimmage thereby limiting the short passes, and Gailey never adjusted.

by tarvismonroe on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed @ van

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by khameleon59 on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think he was hurt at all. He said he wasn’t.

Plus – if he was then Chan wasn’t doing him any favors having him throw 340 times after the hit for almost 38 pass plays per game.

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

You could see the pain in his mechanics following that hit.

If he wasn’t hurt, then he got one heck of a dose of the fear of God layed on him.

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by VanScottM on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

every player plays hurt.

I think the issue Brian is trying to find out is if that hit hurt him so it affected his performance. Since Chan had him throwing over 37 times per game after the hit then would you think that Chan or Fitz was worried about his injury?

If he truly was hurt and it affected his throwing motion then why was he throwing the ball all over the place? Wouldn’t you think that they would attempt to have him not throw more than that?

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I understand, not debating it with you.

You say you don’t think he was hurt then you reply with everyone plays hurt. If Brian’s point is if there is a legit arguement I would say ya, but the fact is we will never really know especially if Ryan says he wasn’t hurt, yet his mechanics say otherwise. He may have been hurt, he may not of been hurt. There are so many other factors to consider when determining what Chan’s plan was offensively. My opinion is that even if he was hurt and playing he was still our best chance to win games and he needs to learn how to play hurt. Our offense is not developed enough to stray away from the spread when the QB is hurt. It could be next year but not so much this past year.

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by VanScottM on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You say you don’t think he was hurt then you reply with everyone plays hurt.

I should have said I don’t think he was injured. there’s a difference between being injured and being hurt – my fault for not clarifying that.

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s not the type of player who would ever admit to injury affecting performance, similar to Jim Kelly.

by Rick A on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

not to Chan or the offensive coach even? The media I can see so as to not give away information in which a defense could go after his ribs.

But wouldn’t it be hurting the team more if he couldn’t be as accurate or throw the ball hard enough because of an injury? Why would he hide that from his coaches if it was going to negatively affect the team? Since he was throwing the ball just as much as he was before then wouldn’t you think that it was a none issue?

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Most players will acknowledge an injury after the season (or the team will quietly admit it off the record after the season is over.).

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that too – but I don’t think that applies here.

Chan didn’t dial down the passing attack at all – Fitzpatrick is a streaky player. We all know this as evidence to his career completion % and his TD/INT ratio.

Fitz is what he is and I don’t think injury affected his play or else one would think that Chan would be doing him and the team a better service by dialing more run plays the following week, which didn’t happen. Heck, Jackson had 8 more carries in the game before. If he had an injury that affected his throwing then why wouldn’t they run more? Especially considering that Jackson was leading the league in rushing at that point in the season…

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I don’t disagree with you. I’m saying that the fact that you’ve heard NOTHING about an injury leads me to think that one didn’t occur (at least severe enough to limit his play). The week after the Broncos were eliminated you immediately heard he was hurt from Broncos team sources. That would have happened here so the Bills could downplay the “Is Fitz the guy” questions.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

because there offence is pass to set up the run, also shows why the hoody is great, he would have change the team style to help out his hurt QB

by forlife on Jan 24, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean publicly. His teammates see him with the trainers and know what’s going on. Until it gets to the point where they have to bring in Thigpen, it remains business as usual.

Another indication was the gross inaccuracy on deep throws late in the year.

by Rick A on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

then why wouldn’t they dial down the passing attempts and try and lean on Spiller (1st round pick) and Jackson (best RB in the NFL at that point)?

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem to avoid the fact he just got paid and could be afraid of losing job. So he does not even tell the coaching staff he is hurt. Correct if I am wrong but I thought he played a couple games hurt last year and he did not tell anyone. I think the guys throwing arm could be falling off and he would say no I am not injured to the media and coaches.

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by matthew62 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You seem to avoid the fact he just got paid and could be afraid of losing job

wouldn’t it be adventitious to tell your coaches that the reason you’re sucking is because you’re hurt?

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not if your afraid of losing your starting job. Which seemed to be the case last year if I remember correctly.

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by matthew62 on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

to who? Tyler Thigpen? Brad Smith?

what real competition does Ryan have? Sorry but I don’t think your point makes much sense

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

When the Bills beat Washington and were 5-2, Fitz had gotten his contract extension earlier in the week and his job was one of the very safest in the entire NFL.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s always had a gross inaccuracy on deep throws.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

But as we're seeing with cunconssions today, that's not always a good thing either.

If you don’t want to let the fans know, fine, but at least tell your coach.

Of course all of this is mere speculation, so we have no way of knowing.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 24, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm, he was limited in practice the week after the hit so I don't know how you can make this claim.
I don’t think he was hurt at all. He said he wasn’t.

I think the injury affected him for a few weeks, but I doubt it was a season long issue.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo….and I have yet to meet an NFL QB who doesn’t have a few weeks where something is bothering them and limiting them in some way?

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm, he was limited in practice the week after the hit so I don’t know how you can make this claim.

if he was limited I forgot – do you have a link? – but that doens’t change the fact that he himself said he wasn’t injured in post game interviews after the hit and Chan was still calling passing plays like a mad man as as Kaiser points out wasn’t limited and if he was it was for that one week and not any longer.

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He was. He was listed as probable for the Jets game and was limited all week in practice. But like you mention, Fitz said himself that ribs didn’t break. Mark Gaughan wrote that Fitz didn’t wear anything protective in practice or games after the Jets. He was probably bruised up pretty good. The Bills took it a little easy on him the next week. He wore a little something extra in the next game and then didn’t even bother to do so just 14 days after the Fletcher hit. The crazy claim to make here is that the injury was more serious than Buffalo let on or that it had an effect on Fitz later in the season.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The crazy claim to make here is that the injury was more serious than Buffalo let on or that it had an effect on Fitz later in the season.

exactly and i’ve been that person before. I’m not sure if you remember but I was championing Fitz last offseason because he hadn’t had a full season with the receivers etc… so i’ve made similar stupid remarks that came back to bite me.

Fitzpatrick is what he is – he’s streaky and inaccurate. What’s so wrong with calling a spade a spade? At least at that point you know what to expect and we should know what to expect. The problem here isn’t what us fans think it’s what Nix and Gailey think because it seems to me that they think he’s not a problem. Well I don’t have to tell you that he is a problem. I’ve lost all confidence in Nix, Gailey and Fitzpatrick and I shouldn’t have any confidence in Fitzpatrick because he had been in the league for so long and his career numbers haven’t changed much at all. He is what he is and the QB that we saw all season is who Fitzpatrick is – he’s not going to get better or worse IMO

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

We’ve all been there. I really thought that Trent Edwards might break out with TO and the Bills might be a playoff team that year.

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by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.....Loseman got me when he took over in the second half of the season and finished so strong

Still wish I had been wrong about Trent and/or Fitz

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

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by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

His game in Houston with the winning TD pass to Peerless told me he had arrived. His year end stats were pretty good too.

I think some of my misses on players is what makes me so patient to see how things turn out. Take Nix and Gailey for example, I’ve been preaching patience for the two of them, but that patience expires at the end of next season. If we don’t have double digit wins then both need to be replaced.

Along that same line I think we need to give Fitz one more season before we make final decision on retaining him or not. Another season with these numbers and I will want a rookie putting up those numbers instead of a 30yr old vet.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, Fitz has already hit his ceiling

Fitz will never be elite. I want an elite QB. So if Chix are going to stick with them, they need to draft their QB of the future. We have nothing behind Fitz.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu

by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope he can play a bit better, but don't think he will ever be elite either.

I had just hoped that Fitz would provide us steady and competent play at QB so we could continue to build the rest of the team. I think they need a real prospect this year also.

Otherwise we are shoehorned into drafting a QB in the first round after that which makes it easier for other teams to know they need to leap frog us for a good prospect.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree about the effect on Fitz for the whole season too.

As I mentioned earlier, I firmly believe it hampered him for 2 or 3 weeks but that would be about it. I don’t see any way that having bruised ribs wouldn’t alter his delivery or make him nervous in pocket.

Dallas or Miami is where that possible explanation/excuse would end for me though. After that it’s all Fitz IMO.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

After

Miami is not all on Fitz. A lot of it is but by that time the rest of the wheels had started to fly off the bus around him as well.

Harooo

by Robot Nixon on Jan 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true, but it also becomes a bit of a "chicken or egg" argument for me at that point.

He didn’t have help at that point, but he also didn’t help at that point.

Chris Brown’s article on the comparison between first half and second half stats tend to dispel the notion that Fitz played poorly because we were behind. The article shows a striking similarity between the first 30 minutes and the last 30 minutes of games over the entire season.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Competent depth

Was one of the bigger concerns at the start of the season. One that I feel proved to be very true. After all the roster turnover we had a lot of young unproven guys backing up key positions. That’s not counting the 2011 draft class, most of those guys were drafted to start asap. Even a lot of the 2010 class was unproven. We had a competitive team on week one and as the injuries piled up they were replaced by inexperienced backups or by guys out of position because the backups just weren’t that good. OLB WR and TE were hit hard by this. Nix has to solve that problem and I think he will do a good job of it. Though it will likely not be in any way shape or form as to how the fans think he should do it.

Harooo

by Robot Nixon on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

do you really think he is going to admit that he was hurt

by forlife on Jan 24, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, why would he lie about breaking his ribs a couple months after it happened? The Bills admitted that he was a little beat up when they listed him as being limited in practice the next week. Then, the Bills no longer listed him on the injury report just a week after the hit. The only thing that explains that is that Buffalo was being honest and Fitz got a little beat up in Washington, but was pretty much good to go.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, why would he lie about breaking his ribs a couple months after it happened?

Was he asked a couple months after it happened?

Then, the Bills no longer listed him on the injury report just a week after the hit. The only thing that explains that is that Buffalo was being honest and Fitz got a little beat up in Washington, but was pretty much good to go.

Teams only have to report injuries if it affects a players participation in practice. Since QB’s are off limits anyways, there is not much to limit once he’s OK to throw the ball for 45 mins without extreme soreness. This isn’t a WR coming back from a hamstring or knee injury where you have to limit their reps.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

On December 20th, about 7 weeks after the hit, he told reporters that he didn’t break a rib.

If he had a broken rib, wouldn’t he take fewer snaps in practice to reduce pain and therefore, end up on an injury report or result in somebody from the media finding out that he was taking fewer snaps? Why would the team put him in that position to have him throwing balls in practice with a cracked rib? If something broke, there would be a lot of pain when he threw the football and it wouldn’t go away for a long while.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought or implied he broke a rib, only that he got hurt. Bruised ribs are a significant enough injury to affect a player. I bruised ribs once and it hurt to get in a car.

Why would the team put him in that position to have him throwing balls in practice with a cracked rib?

Even if it was as bad as a cracked rib, which I don’t think it was, haven’t you seen what other QB’s play through? Look at Romo, Rivers, Big Ben, Favre etc. Starting QB’s are expected to play, and therefore practice, through pain and injuries if at all possible.

Either way, it’s pretty moot since I said I thought it would only explain his issues for 2-3 games, the rest of the stinkers were on him.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and thanks for that link. I hadn't seen that one during the season. I had begun my annual Bills December tune out at that point

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It seemed like he was quicker to bail out later in the season. Also his throwing motion appeared to change a bit. But that’s from impression, don’t have game by game film to verify.

by Rick A on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

My Theory is More General Than That

I believe in the Flutie Curse. Until we bring Doug Flutie back to Ralph Wilson Stadium, honor him for his service, and publicly apologize to him for not giving him the Playoff start in 1999, the Bills will never return to the Playoffs.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

ya but Rob Johnson played one hell of a game that day.

Took a forward pass on a kickoff to lose it. Johnson played because it was deemed he was more of the Future than Doug was. We were fortunate then to have both players available. In this case, Thigpen wasn’t even close to being ready to play full time.

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by VanScottM on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this...

Johnson played a pretty good game that day and actually led the Bills down for the go ahead drive late in that game. He took the brunt of it from fans and media because people’s love with Flutie at QB, but Wade thought Johnson would give them their best shot that day and he did…

by dabillsr1 on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Wade thought Johnson would give them their best shot that day and he did…

Wade has since been quoted saying he wanted to go with Doug and that Ralph Wilson forced him to play Johnson.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Which, if true...

is a despicable thing for Ralph to do, and also a spineless thing for Wade to agree to. Can you imagine Bill Belichick being told by Robert Kraft what QB to start? If you’re a head coach with balls, you tell your owner to butt out. the team was 11-5 and if Ralph would have actually fired Wade over a Flutie start in the Playoffs, then there would have been a public outcry.

I don’t know if there are football gods or not. But, if there are, I can’t think of a better way to piss them off than taking your QB with a .666 win percentage and sitting him when he led the team to the Playoffs.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Not such a good game

Stats never tell the complete story, but they sure do say a lot about that game for Rob. He was 10 of 22 for 135 yards, 0 TD 0 INT, sacked 6 times, and fumbled twice – one of which was not recovered.

by karovda on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of Whether Johnson Played a Good Game or Not...

Doug Flutie led the Bills to 10-5 that season. Johnson had a meaningless week 17 win. That Playoff game was not Johnson’s to play. It was a sin to take Flutie’s rightfully earned Playoff start away after the season he put together for the Bills. And now, we are cursed for it.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree that Flutie should have gotten the start. However, I think it’s quite a stretch to say that that decision has been the cause of the last decade + of lackluster football.

by karovda on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just having fun with conspiracy/karma theories

It seems like an AWFULLY big coincidence that we never saw the Playoffs again…

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Iroquois Indian burial curse

the Bills field house was built in 1995 after the playoff/super bowl runs. Perhaps the field house is built on an Iroquois Indian burial ground? And, Hino, the sky god had his ultimate revenge in the 1999 playoff game.

"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"

According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)

by fansince60 on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

...

…perhaps…

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Just because something happens before something else doesn’t mean it caused it.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So...

Are you saying it could hurt to bring Flutie back to Buffalo to honor him? I don’t know about you guys, but I’m willing to try anything, superstitious or not, to get the Bills back in the Playoffs.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point...

I think the Bills FO should be trying every idea they can, also.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Um….no….I was replying to this:

I think it’s quite a stretch to say that that decision has been the cause of the last decade + of lackluster football.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus, on the list of players who have made contributions to the team that haven’t been honored, where does Flutie rank? I’m just asking, I really don’t know who has been honored or not honored, but he wasn’t here that long after all.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

There are players that had contributed more...

but I can’t think of any that had been screwed as badly.

The point of honoring him and apologizing him is to make up for an atrocity committed by our organization and to appease the football gods who have not smiled upon our city since that atrocity.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I demand to know what happened before the chicken and the egg.

"Go check on the ribs!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I hate to admit it, Johnson did play a hell of a game. I would have still started Flutie though.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not about how well Johnson played.

Flutie put in a 15 16ths of an NFL season and led the Bills to 10-5 before Johnson tacked on win number 11 in week 17. Flutie put a season’s worth of work in and got his rightfully earned Playoff start ripped away from him. It doesn’t matter that Johnson played well. It was Flutie’s game to start.

"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34

by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed 100%.

Remember I’m a CFL enthusiast as well. And I must honestly say that after watching him absolutely dominate the CFL like he did, he is without a signle doubt the best QB’s I’ve ever seen play. He never had a bad game in the CFL. It was an 8 year career with 4 championships and 6 MVP’s. He simply took over a game from start to finish.

Then I saw him do it in the NFL with the Bills, which is why the Bills are my favorite team, they had my favorite QB. The NFL only beccame relevant to me as a fan once Flutie joined the Bills. Before that I was very much a home grown canadian football fan.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 26, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 Owada Twnr

My belief too.

Wade dooooomed out beloved Bills.

I also don’t walk under ladders, drive down a street when I see a black cat, step on cracks, and I always knock on wood.

:-)

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 24, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if my theory is true...

but I am sure about one thing. My proposed solution can’t possibly hurt the Bills, even if it doesn’t help. The Buffalo Bills organization should publicly apologize to Doug Flutie.

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 25, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I replayed the hit many times right after

& came to the conclusion he had to crack a rib or 2 on that shot.

sure enough he favored it after & play indicated a problem. (@ least he toughed it out thou, unlike his …)

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by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Mentally the hurt lasted longer than the physically hurt

Someday I’d like to see a few of our pass rushers put Brady on his kester like Fletcher drove through Fitzy. The mental injuriese that a QB endures from those hits plays with a QB’s psychy and they start to get a bit “jittery” between the ears on future ocassions. Their confidence is shaken and they start to release the ball quicker than expected.

Later in the year, I can’t remember which game exactly, I watched a Fitzy interception where it was a play action with a little boot leg.. the OLB didn’t go for the fake and when Fitz turned around the guy was bearing down on him quickly. A lot of QB’s (including Fitz earlier in the year) might have tried to allude the rusher by stepping up and or fake pumping to get the guy airborne, then making the read and throw… this time Fitz really rushed the throw out to the flat and right into the defenders arms for a pick 6.

Fitz is tough, but I hope he is tougher mentally. We certainly had a “softy” in Trentative, so I never want to see that happen again to a Bills QB.

by dabillsr1 on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

At what point did the injuries to the O-line start piling up?

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by Goose22 on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Bell was hurt against the Bengals – 4 weeks before the ’Skins game and Wood was injured 2 weeks after the ’Skins game against Dallas

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

So he got whacked against the Skins

Then the O-line starts going down to the point Levitre has to play center, Freddy goes out in game 10 Chandler goes out in week 13 and the Bills were down to the 3rd team center.

There has to be some correlation with Fitz injury and what happen to the rest of the offense to how his effectiveness tailed off.

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by Goose22 on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

What happened? Teams starting figuring them out and sitting on the short routes. WRs got hurt. O-Line injuries piled up. The Defense stopped getting turnovers which led to Fitz having to take more chances and the Bills to open things up more than they would like (not just by passing, but running longer routes opening him up to hits).

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He was hurt

By Fletcher’s hit. I would be shocked if he did not, at a minimum, end up with bruised ribs.

We should all remember that the human body adjusts to minimize pain. Thus, the short term pain from that hit, whether it lasted 1 week or the season, may well have altered his throwing motion. Of course players “play hurt”, but a QB needs immense numbers of reps to refine his throwing mechanics. If one part of the throwing motion hurts the body will seek to alter the motion to avoid the pain. Thus you end up with a different, unpracticed delivery. We see this all of the time with baseball pitchers and hitters as well as golfers.

Most other football players rely on reaction, athleticism, and power to accomplish their tasks and can often meet them to a larger degree when hurt. The QBs mechanics can suffer without the QB realizing he has altered anything in his delivery. That is why MLB teams often sit “hurt” pitchers to avoid them screwing up their delivery and either losing their form or causing a secondary injury from favoring the hurt body part.

For those reasons I don’t believe the whole hurt vs injured debate is of much use in this case. As for J2s “then why throw….so much”? Who on God’s good earth knows why the Bills were so pass happy. But, as J2 knows Chan has on more than one occasion indicated the pass set up the run for the 2011 Bills. n

by WhatGoesAround on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Our offense is only a spread formation.

We are not evolved enough to as an offensive unit to switch to any form of a power running game. We would then become to predictable and C.J. wasn’t ready at that point in time. Tyler Thigpen was not ready at that point in time. He has spent time with Chan in the past but he has not spent time with his current teamates and this is just some of the factors. Honestly, it doesn’t matter if he played hurt. Ryan has enough to improve upon in his game and his teamates have enough to improve upon in their games. We cannot go up against premier defenses with one quality receiver and one and a half quality RB’s. We have a ways to go and I do not believe replacing Fitz at this point would be a good move for the team but bringing in more help at wideout and better offensive line play in the running game is a higher priority. I am one that didn’t expect a whole bunch from Brad Smith or Tyler Thigpen, considering the very short offseason they had, but do expect much going into 2012. It is not wasted money yet, but still an investment going forward.

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by VanScottM on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

We are not evolved enough to as an offensive unit to switch to any form of a power running game.

why? Denver did it on the fly with Tebow. We have big offensive linemen. Are you saying that our coaches aren’t as good as Denvers?

It’s a running attack – if the Bills coaches couldn’t figure out how to run the ball more because their incompetent then they should be fired. What would they even have to change except for calling more run plays? Don’t they already have run plays in their system? Isn’t Chan an offensive guru or genesis yet he can’t call more run plays?

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

genesis – lol. If only!

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And offensive lineman looooove to run the ball. They hate pass protection.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 24, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all. Some are much more comfortable in pass pro than they are in a 3-point stance trying to drive someone off the ball.

It’s one of those older adages that’s no longer accurate in today’s game IMO.

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by lonestar_ak on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your opinion.
When I played line, I hated pass protection.
When you run the ball, you can either:
Bull them over
Crush somebody on a trap
Or make a fake to one side and then cut their legs out while the RB goes on by…..

Fish in a barrel.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the real truth is somewhere in the middle.

The hit probably did affect his performance, but I don’t think it was all to blame.
We all know Fitz is an up and down guy. I think there’s a happy medium to be found here between the conspiracy and denying that anything was going on at all. That seems the most reasonably and likely scenario of all.

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by Dyl on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

this

Even in the best of times, Fitzpatrick doesn’t have the best accuracy or mechanics. He might have been playing through some pain for the second half of the season, but he also had receivers dropping like flies. In the final game, after Stevie was benched, I think he was throwing to Nelson, Aiken, and Roosevelt. That trio isn’t going to scare many defenses.

by SiriusRed on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it’s a mischaracterization to call this a conspiracy theory. This is something that Fitz said himself. People think he was playing hurt because he said so. The 3 games after the hit he was bad before he returned to form in the next 2 games against the Jets and Titans. After the season he said he was hurt during that period.

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by Sawyer in Boston on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

…checking back, I see that Fitz did not say he was hurt as explicitly as I’d remembered. Still, it reads as though that’s what he’s implying, and that interpretation is backed up by the author of the article, Mark Gaughan, and former QB coach Cortez.

Maybe this pushes the theory a little more in the direction of the conspiracy realm, but it seems logical, so that’s why I’m inclined to believe that the ribs played a role.

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by Sawyer in Boston on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady is probably hurt right now and EIi took a heckuva beating against SFO

Brady was uncharacteristally off against the Ravens even on open throws and Eli took a couple of really hard rib shots. The difference is these guys have better arm strength to begin with than Fitzy, so they can get by better when hurt. Losman threw one of the best deep balls since Bledsoe and he wasn’t the answer either. Fitzy did and can throw some really nice 35-40 yard passes and he’ll throw a few not so nice ones every game. He’ll be alright. If we can get our D sorted out to at least top 15 status and give us 1-2 more possessions as well as better field position in general, all of a sudden, Fitz is way better. My conspiracy theory is he didn’t do any manscaping on the beard and the weight of the whiskers affected his ability to see the whole field.

by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My first reaction when I read the headline….

…YES, it DID hurt to watch Fitz play !

Then I realized that I misinterpreted the question.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

wow, aren't you clever.

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by heff17 on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote about that a couple times, and believe it to be true

I broke ribs during my military career. It’s a horrible injury, because unless the rib punctures a lung, you can do pretty much anything. The pain is unreal, though. Try repelling, running, crawling, etc with broken rib. You can do it, but it’s painful.

I think the same thing happen with Fitzpatrick. He broke a rib, and just played through the pain. The pain limits motion though. And I think the pain caused enough changes in his play that he couldn’t perform up to the same standards as the first seven games.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with this

and compound that with the fact that the two QB’s he had to fill in were new additions to the team who didnt get the luxury of OTA’s or a full preseason to learn the offense. And as mentioned above, we werent ready to be a power running team; so the best option was to actually play an injured fitz.

by NHBillzFan on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Then, in that scenario

IMO, Gailey made 3 extremely poor decisions. First, he chose Thigpen as a back up (duh). Second, with Fitz hurt, he did not have any confidence in said back up, going with a less-than-able Fitz. Third, he decided wasting half the season was worth the risk.
The first of these 3 decisions is the key and forced the other two. It’s another example of their audaciousness regarding depth. Why is Thigpen on this team if he’s not good enough to replace a QB with a debilitating injury? Just another “I know him” hire, IMO.
So, either Fitz played bad, or with Fitz hurt, Gailey coached bad…neither is a “good” thing.

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by fansince60 on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

OTA's were huge here i think

I mean, i know he had all season to prepare, but missing the beginning part of the season due to the lockout was huge. That really diminishes the amount of time a guy can work with the first teamers to learn the playbook. Ive never been to an NFL practice during the season, but i would imagine they work more on what to improve week to week, then fundamentals. Those fundamentals i would assume mainly come in the preseason, which is what Thigpen missed which is why he wasnt ready.

by NHBillzFan on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

respectfully disagree. Thigpen knows Gailey’s offense from previous “lives” in KC etc.. Frankly, his shortcoming isn’t “knowledge”, it’s talent. He’s a bad QB. He has been everywhere he’s played. Gailey, as with DC Edwards. is/was comfortable with him.
But, when it came to crunch time, he couldn’t depend on Thigpen (again, if Fitz was hurt)

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by fansince60 on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

valid point

but i think different situations are just that, different. You cant use his time spent with Miami or KC to prove that he can or cannot play with the guys in Buffalo; the qb position isnt a posistion you can just go out and play; you need to be the leader leading your team, the people who make each situation different need to believe in your talents; i dont think he had enough time to build this with his teammates. We have seen him be semi successful in this league, enough to be a qualified backup in my eyes, i just dont think he had enough time to gel with this situaion and group of guys.

by NHBillzFan on Jan 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

He may know the offense, but, not the timing of the guys he works with. Chan works on timing. Different guys have different ways to run a route. That timing is something you can only achieve in OTA’s.

by suteck on Jan 24, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He may know the offense, but, not the timing of the guys he works with.

Maybe Pigpen should have flew down to AZ when Fitz held work outs and put the guys up during the offseason, or spend some extra time with the guys after practice.

Sure, Fitz aced the Wonderlic test...but he does not pass the Eyeball test...

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 24, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Since Thigpen was a Free Agent then and did NOT know what team he would join, then this idea is, in retrospect, one you would take back?

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You are correct Sir

Sure, Fitz aced the Wonderlic test...but he does not pass the Eyeball test...

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that happened

When I broke my ribs, I didn’t tell anyone for four months. I tried to gut it out, mostly because I was in a command position, and thought that if I received a diagnosis that pulled me off the line, I’d loss my position. Only after the natural time for me to move from my position to another position did I go see the PA, and he found out that I had broken my ribs.

I completely understand if Fitzpatrick hurt himself and didn’t tell anyone.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Jan 24, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we were still in a playoff spot at the time.

I think the mistake was to keep throwing 35+ times per game when we have to RB’s that would be starters on every team that doesn’t have Adrian Peterson or Arian Foster.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hurt

Was Fitz hurt in the second Jets game when he played pretty well? Was he hurt against the Broncos when he played ok? How about the 1st Quarter/half against the Pats? He had enough good moments after the Skins game where its hard to make the argument that his played suffered some of the time (because he was hurt) but not all the time. He is a 7 year player in the NFL who was playing way over his head and had a natural regression to the mean. Its like the baseball player who hits 15 HR’s in the first 6 weeks but is typically a 20-25 HR player. They usually regress to their mean as the season goes on rarely hitting 40+ HR for the year. He’s an average QB who had, in total, an average season with major spikes and valleys in between.

by J09 on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Jets, Broncos and Pats games..

Were later in the year! He could have played hurt with broken ribs during the 7 game loosing streak and then maybe he started feeling better the last 3 games… (Jets, Broncos, Pats)…

by DanInSudbury on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Broncos and Pats

We played the Jets in Weeks 9 and 12. The Skins game was Week 8

by DanInSudbury on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

So

He wasn’t hurt against the Jets, but then his play tailed off against, the Chargers, Titans, Dolphins (where he was hurt?), then he got better again for the last 1.5 weeks (he was pretty bad in the second half against the Pats)? Seems a little convoluted.

by J09 on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitz went down this year because of a combination of factors

Injuries……the Fletcher hit……injuries……arm fatigue…..defenses adjusting to our scheme…..the fact that we were always playing from behind……injuries…..

I like to believe this has more to do with the Bills players feeling like they can be something special. They started a year 0-8 and finished 4-4 while taking playoff and championship game bound teams to OT and 3 pt nail biters. All this with one year under a new coach and with a young roster. Im sure they can feel what they are capable of. -poz

by RBbills on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

A little truth......

Yes, probably. but as I have opined before, I think the slump started in week four…..
You could see it, locking onto receivers, holding the ball too long, no longer smartly avoiding the rush and finally throwing crazy passes into triple coverage.
I also say a painful injury would affect his throwing more than the top QBs because he needs everything he’s got on a lot of his passes ( you can see that as well… The high effort wind up that is…..)
I wish Gailey and Fitzy well because he is clearly our guy next year and I bleed Buffalo Blue) I truly hope I look like a dork for saying this and they (Gailey and Fitzy) shut me up big time next year.

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by podunkowego on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Probably had some affect on his accuracy

But his performance down the stretch was mostly the result of-

A. Horrible Bills defense
B. Statistical correction back to norm
C. Fred Jackson going down

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yes to all of those. I still believe Fitzpatrick can take us to the playoffs and perhaps further….but I wouldn’t take that bet.

I like to believe this has more to do with the Bills players feeling like they can be something special. They started a year 0-8 and finished 4-4 while taking playoff and championship game bound teams to OT and 3 pt nail biters. All this with one year under a new coach and with a young roster. Im sure they can feel what they are capable of. -poz

by RBbills on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s my feeling – Sure, a quarterback with more skill and base talent would help, but not immediately by any means. The only way the Bills are getting to the playoffs any time soon is to keep improving the defense. Heck, Andy Dalton was pretty similar to Fitzpatrick and he had a decent defense and they made the playoffs.

Until the Bills get a defense together that is at least say ranked 10-15 in the league paired with the current offense, they’re going to sit home in January.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Icon

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 24, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know right!

Until the Bills beat the Pats, I had a Patriot pissing on a Bills logo.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually created it. I’m psyched to see someone else is using it too. It makes me feel important.

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

And a

Nuther receiver option ( a great one)

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by podunkowego on Jan 24, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That would help too. The theory of the whole thing is simple, score more, allow less that it’s really frustrating that the Bills never have the breaks go their way. I think one more offseason of consistency from front office down should reap some dividends.

Another season (maybe), another year getting on the roller coaster. Hope the ride lasts more than 16 games :)

by syrbillsfan on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dewayne bowe, desean or vincent jackson

by forlife on Jan 24, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with this rec'd

I’d even go further and add a few more problems. Losing all those starters on the offense didn’t help either. They had no offseason due to the strike. While it is true that Parrish and Easley went down early, they were there from day one. To lose all that time and have to “break” new guys in with no real camp is very hard.
If anyone watched the Saints loss, it was said like 20 times in that game that Brees has incredible rapport with all his receivers. Fitz never had that because they were getting hurt. New guys were coming in.
There were even more reasons, but, once a guy fails and you find 4 solid reasons why, do you really need more? Further breaking a broken horse doesn’t achieve anything special.

by suteck on Jan 24, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think there’s anything to it. He played well the rest of the game and took some sacks. He didn’t wear any additional padding the rest of the season. The Bills didn’t limit his throws in games and it doesn’t seem like they lightened his practice load at all. I remember when Steve McNair used to not practice at all and play every week and it doesn’t seem like the Bills did anything for Fitz. Would he really still be throwing a bunch of passes in practice and lifting weights with a broken rib or two? Wouldn’t somebody in the media pick up on it if Fitz was getting that lighter practice load?

This is the same Ryan Fitzpatrick who had a great statistical start to the 2010 season before struggling down the stretch in a huge way. I think I remember people talking about him getting hurt and his numbers going down as a result last year as well, but maybe I’m thinking of something else. Either way, it seems like it’s always some excuse with the QBs. Some reason why he’ll be better in the future. The OL wasn’t good enough for Trent Edwards and then he got TO and he was gonna be good. Then Fitz wasn’t the QB through an offseason and he’d be better because of that. And he struggled because of injuries to his teammates or because the players around him weren’t good enough or the team didn’t have a deep threat. Now he wasn’t healthy? I guess my conspiracy theory is that I go the other way with it. That I think people invent excuses just to give themselves a reason to believe that things will change without Buffalo actually making changes.

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by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

That I think people invent excuses just to give themselves a reason to believe that things will change without Buffalo actually making changes.

rec’d

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by J2 on Jan 24, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

you hit the nail on the head.

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by panekattack on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen. Rec'd

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by StroudFanClub on Jan 24, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yep......much easier than facing the truth

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by Joe P. on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

he played hurt, obviously

it did not help his game.

it was not the cause of his team’s collapse.

but the bills needed fitz to play extremely well
to win, cause as we all know, the D was horrific.

i like the redskins game cause it shows how
easy it was for fitz with a strong D…..

run the ball, kill the clock, get some points, take
few risks, blah blah blah…….

but yes, he was hurt, it hurt the bills, but they
suffered from many other factors out of fitz’s
control, including gailey’s over infatuation with
the spread passing attack in the face of clear
evidence they could no longer execute it with
injuries and fitz’s issues…..

gailey failed to adjust and the D stunk.

fitz deserves a decent D before we run him out
of town……

by simonpure on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

I don't believe Fitz was nearly hurt as bad as some people want to believe

Banged up? Sure. Everyone in the league plays hurt. We just rode the roller coaster ride Good Fitz/Bad Fitz. Some of us got a lil sick after the ride, and others can’t wait to hop back on next year. Personally, I’ll think I’m going to sit on the bench and watch others get on and off, while I enjoy a cold beer. I’m not giving the guy a pass or an excuse (and it’s a loooong list that fans are offering up) for his poor erratic play. I’m sorry, but what was the reason why Fitz liked to throw into triple coverage? Was his beard too long, getting in his face, and throwing off his balance? Our terrible D? So Fitz was throwing more, playing catch up? The breakdown says 60-40 in both halves. Honestly, we have to thank the D for some of our 6 wins. The only way we stayed in games the we were in were because of turnovers.

I really just think Fitz is his own worst enemy.

Sure, Fitz aced the Wonderlic test...but he does not pass the Eyeball test...

by MonStarr_716 on Jan 24, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Coaches like to keep Qb injuries to themselves

Happens all the time. I have no reason at all to doubt that he was hurt.

by Wien on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

But the Bills didn’t keep it to themselves. He was limited in practice the next week. They listed him as probable for the next game.

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by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

But they never disclosed that it was bruised, cracked, or broken ribs.

by Wien on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They listed it as a chest injury, so it’s not like they were being discrete about it. If it was something more serious, Buffalo would have done more about it. He would have been limited again the next week of practice. Or he would have worn some protection during games later in the year.

They listed him one week as probable and the next week didn’t list him at all. What other explanation is there other than them just being bruised up?

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by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If he was too hurt to practice, then they would have to give some vague reason as to why he wasn’t practicing. All they need to do is answer to the lcd, and let everyone else use their imagination.

We will never know the true extent of Fitz’s injuries unless he or Gailey come out and say “Broken ribs” or “Just some bruises”.

by Wien on Jan 24, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

rib injury

It sure looked like Fitzy was wearing an unusually big flack jacket under her jersey in the latter part of the season.

by Tomski on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Not according to Mark Gaughan.

Fitzpatrick has not been wearing any extra padding in the locker room or at practice since after the Jets game, and he has not appeared to be wearing any extra protection in games, either. Furthermore, his passes haven’t shown any particular lack of zip; lack of good decision-making, at times, but not lack of zip.

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/billboard/2011/12/fitz-says-hes-not-hurt.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fbuffalonews%2Fbillboard+%28BillBoard%29

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by kaisertown on Jan 24, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Honestly, instead of trying to figure out what happened to cause Fitzpatrick's 2nd half of the season play

I’d rather figure out what happened to cause Fitzpatrick’s 1st half of the season play. Cause that’s the outlier performance in his career. Not the 2nd half performance.

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Jan 24, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yep

REc’d. And we will get to see that next year with a revamped offense and a defense that can stop people more then 50% of the time (if it was that much)…

by suteck on Jan 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No question!

Its definitely Billy Buffalo’s fault!

He needs to be replaced by Basilius Buffalo.

:-)

"My new cat just farted on my lap. Smells like Bills football." BG.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

I`m willing to buy that he was playing hurt. But everyone plays hurt. But I`m also willing to buy that he may have been playing injured.

Which would go a lot farther in explaining the drop in his play. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he played with a crack rib, or heavily bruised ribs. Any sustained injury to his ribcage would explain the drop in play. In which case it would have been up to Chan to lesson his responsibility in the offense, which obviously didn’t happen.

So my inclination would be to say that he was hurt, but not truly injured. Something in the range of severely bruised ribs that couldn’t heal because of the continuous activity.

by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 24, 2012 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

Not The Issue

He was hurt, not disabled. The issue was the loss of Fred Jackson and how that impacted the entire offense. Fitz was forced to try and make plays where none were available.

Go big or go home.

by jackkemp15 on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

I would like to add that for Fitz to play through the pain means a lot to me as a fan

It means a heck of a lot to me to see a player with the kind of spirit that would make him keep going for team through rivulets of searing pain. If his ribs broke, he had every excuse to ride out the year and not be blamed for anything. Yet he had enough fire to keep playing, keep preparing, keep on as the team’s No. 1 QB and leader. I wouldn’t trade that kind of guy for the world.

Go Buffalo Bills, Utah Jazz, and Arkansas Razorbacks

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by Dyl on Jan 24, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

good post Dyl. I have a lot of respect for him too. With a horrible defense like that, he knew he’d have a pass rush after him at some point.

by suteck on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

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