State Of The Buffalo Bills Roster: Pass Rushers
Buffalo Rumblings is in the process of breaking down the Buffalo Bills' roster position by position. Installments you may have missed: QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, G/C, LB, CB, S, ST.
During the 2011 regular season, 14 teams - that's nearly half of the NFL, dear friends - recorded 40 or more sacks as a team. The Buffalo Bills have not accomplished that feat since 2004 - their most recent near-miss at a playoff berth.
Also during the 2011 regular season, two teams - the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots - had two players each record double-digit sack totals. (Three teams did it in 2010: the Indianapolis Colts, New York Giants and Pittsburgh Steelers.) The Bills have not accomplished that feat since 1995, when the trio of Bryce Paup, Bruce Smith and Phil Hansen all had 10 or more sacks.
It has been a very long time, indeed, since the Bills have competently rushed the passer - let alone struck fear into its opponents from that particular on-field angle. With even a meager sense of stability at football's other important positions (quarterback and the offensive line), it's time that the Bills recognize that finding pass-rushers should be their top organizational goal.
SHAWNE MERRIMAN
Age: 27 (28 in May 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2013. There are so many differing reports on what he'll make in his final year that it's ridiculous, but it's obviously considerable.
The once-feared Merriman had a disappointing 2011 season, recording just one sack (in which he forced a scrambling quarterback out of bounds, no less) before landing on IR with a flared-up Achilles injury. He is purportedly healthy (again), and will be back (again) to try to revive his career (again) and pump some life into the Bills' sorry pass rush (again). Assuming he's healthy, he'll likely be on the field - for better or worse - because the team simply doesn't have better options. A true stand-up, pass-rushing outside linebacker, Merriman is a one-trick pony at this point in his career, and may be best-suited for a situational role so that he can stay healthy.
CHRIS KELSAY
Age: 32 (33 in October 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2015.
Inflated by an out-of-nowhere three-sack performance in a meaningless late-season game against Denver, Kelsay recorded five sacks in a season for the second time in three years. He did that only once in his first six professional seasons. Though he appears to be "getting better," it's only negligibly, and Kelsay has never been even an average pass rusher. He hustles and he's smart, and those are valuable things, but at some point, he needs to be replaced.
KYLE MOORE
Age: 25 (26 in October 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2013. Will reportedly make $615K in base salary in 2012.
A mid-season acquisition after injuries forced the Bills to go get players, Moore appeared in the team's final four games of the season as a situational pass rusher. Ideally, Moore would play defensive end, as he's not athletic enough to stand up and rush from an outside linebacker position. He could also theoretically play some three-technique in passing situations, but given their current defensive line personnel, it's unlikely he'd be asked to do that in Buffalo.
ARTHUR MOATS
Age: 23 (24 in March 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2014. Will make $1.065M in base salary over the final two years of his rookie deal.
We very nearly included Moats in yesterday's evaluation of the linebackers, because in his first two professional seasons, Moats has only been asked to rush the passer after the Bills reached desperation mode. After flashing some potential in this area as a rookie, Moats was more easily handled in his second season, struggling to generate much pressure at all. We won't be shocked this time around when Moats is playing a more traditional linebacker role at the start of training camp.
DANNY BATTEN
Age: 24 (25 in December 2012)
Contract: UFA in 2014. Will make $1.065M in base salary over the final two years of his rookie deal.
In what was essentially his rookie season (he landed on IR with a shoulder injury in his actual rookie season), Batten was thrust into a much larger role than he was prepared for early in the season when Merriman went down. Unsurprisingly, Batten was ineffective as a pass rusher (or a run defender, for that matter) whether standing or with a hand in the dirt, and the Bills eventually phased Batten back out of the defense. He is an excellent special teams player and still has some pass-rushing upside, but he does not appear to be an answer to the team's pass-rushing woes.
ROBERT EDDINS
Age: 23 (24 in October 2012)
Contract: Under contract for 2012 after signing a reserve/future deal on January 3.
Eddins actually made the team outright in September as an undrafted rookie free agent out of Ball State, doing so on the heels of impressive training camp and pre-season performances. He quickly landed on IR, reached an injury settlement, and eventually landed back on Buffalo's practice squad to end the season. Buffalo gave him a reserve/future contract, and he'll have another opportunity to make the team next summer.
POSITIONAL OUTLOOK: Bleak. Obviously. Kelsay has never been a cornerstone player, and 2011 all but confirmed that Merriman - even when healthy - is a shell of his former self as a pass rusher. Moore, Moats, Batten and Eddins are all project-type pass rushers that got more intense looks from the team than they should have because of how poor this position is. The saddest reality here, however, is that all of these guys have an extremely legitimate chance at making the team next year. That's the bleakest statement one could make about Buffalo's pass rushing situation.
FREE AGENCY: Bills fans are dreaming big about the team potentially chasing big-name free agent pass rushers (namely Mario Williams), but those fans seem to be forgetting two rules: the Bills don't want to spend huge money unless they have to, and pass rushers - if they even make it to the open market - don't last long and get gobs of cash. It would be heartening to some, we're sure, to see the team court those big names, but counting on them actually landing a big fish is another matter entirely.
2012 NFL DRAFT: Study every incoming pass rushing prospect hard, Bills fans. Clearly, it's the team's top need - GM Buddy Nix even acknowledged it, unafraid of admitting the obvious - and it's very much in play for not just the No. 10 overall pick, but perhaps even two or three of the team's picks. Seriously: learn all you can about every one of these guys.
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huh – at first I thought this was going to be a blank article
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by J2 on Jan 26, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Don’t let the words fool you, and with no disrespect to Brian, you’re suspicions were correct.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 26, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, it makes the same sound as the Bills pass rush.
by Munchausen on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Based on what we know so far about the Bills’ cash to cap philosophy and the fact that it would be incredibly hard to outbid teams under this philosophy and given that its hard to bring free agents to buffalo to begin with, I expect the following:
We sign a middle-tier pass rusher in free agency. So I’m not expecting Mario Williams or even Cliff Avril, but someone under the radar a little bit.
And we draft 2 pass rushers in April.
I’d still like them to steal Navarro Bowman from the Niners some day.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
With even a meager sense of stability at football’s other important positions (quarterback and the offensive line), it’s time that the Bills recognize that finding pass-rushers should be their top organizational goal.
YES!
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions
????
What is this pass rush thing you speak of?
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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions
It came as Aaron Maybin did and left with him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think
the change in coaching/philosophy may have as big of an impact as any incoming players.
That said- #56’s health is huge again. Kelsay should be able to rush the passer w/out any other resp., he shouldnt have. Arthur took a step backwards either from the Farve hit or yoyo positional training. Batten was not ready. The other 2 are prospects.
Wouldnt be surprised if Buddy, assuming he can resign his O players, goes really heavy D again in the draft. 2 QB killers w/one in rounds 1 or 2 & a small school prospect/find.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions
I don’t. Folks, Dave Wannstedt is as old-school and as conservative as they come.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
But he is very experienced & smart
and had an entire year to observe, 1st hand, what the problems were on D. Now he can adapt w/out stepping on toes.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
#56’s health is huge again.
It shouldn’t be. 56 in good health should be a surprise and bonus, not anything the Bills are counting on. If they’re once again relying on Merriman to bring it then I am more than ever convinced that the front office has no idea what they’re doing.
Kelsay should be able to rush the passer w/out any other resp., he shouldnt have.
Theoretically he should. “Can” is completely different beast. He wasn’t able to do it when it was his main responsibility before so I’m not sure how a player in the twilight of his career is going to become a game changer. Or even a game slowerer.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So true. It’s quite a condemning thing to all but state Shawne Merriman is your pass-rushing lottery ticket.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
4 & 1
w/#56 in the line up & locker room. Closest thing to Elite on the D side. No player makes more of a difference if healthy.
Yes w/Kelsay but w/sole responsibility as a rusher his chances of success improve quite a bit.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 27, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Closest thing to Elite on the D side.
That’s more damning to every single player on the D than a plus to Merriman. And also nowhere near true.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 27, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
when healthy
certainly was elite & yes probably a goal of each of his teammates to reach that level.
we gotta hope he gets back there & continues to bring in players like #50
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Jan 28, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Merriman
I thought he was better setting the edge in run defense than he was a pass rusher last year. Those skills aren’t mutually exclusive in the OLB position, the Bills need players that can do both.
agreed
Merriman looked very good against the run and looked far better than any other bill rushing the qb. And that was with a bum ankle and shoulder. It has been so long since we had a top tier athlete a was amazed to see what Merriman could do with one good arm and one good leg.
by WhatGoesAround on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I blame some of the pass rush failure on George Edwards as his blitz schemes were so primitive as to possibly even qualify as Neanderthal. However, it is quite clear that this is one of the most urgent areas of need.
Merriman was an effective pass rusher, but only when healthy. He seems to draw a lot of blatant holding penalties that inexplicably go uncalled. His inability to stay healthy for an entire year is reason enough to limit him to a part-time role, focusing on obvious passing downs. Kelsay is a fish out of water as an OLB. He is a 4-3 DE, and even so, merely average. He is a leader, so at least he provides a good veteran presence. I still don’t quite understand why Edwards kept trying to force Moats into an ILB position. He has good speed and can get after a QB. However, he has been poor in outside run support, especially when trying to set the edge. I’m not sure how his run support gets any better by moving him inside. Batten looks like a decent role player, but not a starter.
With draft options limited at CB and QB, it seems like a very good bet that the Bills will draft a DE or OLB in the first round. Given the team’s weak depth at this position, a mid-round pick to add another such player seems very likely as well. As for free agents, the Bills do need to spend some money, but luring top-notch players to come to a city that isn’t exactly known for its tourism and a team that has the longest active playoff drought is going to be a very hard sell.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Just a quick comment on the attractiveness of Buffalo
I often see people site Buffalo not being a tourist city, as Sirius Red has above, as the reason for it’s unattractiveness. I really don’t think that’s the case, tourism has nothing to do with it, it’s what the city offers lifestyle wise. This may be splitting hairs, but I think the point needs to be clear.
Professional football players, who are relatively young and have a lot of money for their age, are looking for cities that have a lot going on. Remember, for the most part these are kids. And even the old men are only in their mid 30s. They want to be where the action is. High profile, restaurants and night life and if possible other celebrities and professional athletes (baseball/basketball) to rub elbows with.
In addition, I think most players would prefer a warm weather city to a one that endures wintery weather for the majority of the year.
We’re not an attractive landing spot, but it’s not about our ability to attract tourists, it’s more about the sort of lifestyle we offer to potential free agents.
However, the most attractive thing to good players is winning. We need to build a winner through the draft. That is the only way we become more attractive to potential free agents.
by Buffalo Bird on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
“Tourism” is a broad word. It encompasses not only the nearby attractions, weather, restaurants, and beaches (or lack thereof), but night life as well. What attracts one player to a city probably won’t be the same reason for another player.
Overall, Buffalo isn’t the sort of city that jumps out at somebody when they consider what they are going to do when they aren’t playing football. Players who come to Buffalo are usually pleasantly surprised and not so eager to leave, but you have to warm them up to the idea of even coming there in the first place.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Understood and agree
Just wanted to clarify. And I totally agree that they warm up to the city once they actually get here.
by Buffalo Bird on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Great place to raise a family, many have stated. But not at all a place that caters to an average young NFL players’ aesthetic.
That is unless they love the proximity to Canada for the big-city thing International-style and love good indie rock at small clubs open later than normal in Buffalo.
And one more thing. They have a strange affection for cement driveways. (What’s with that, Buffalo? Why you gotta be like that and hate on the blacktop?)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
endures wintery weather for the majority of the year.
The majority of the year? Seriously?
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 26, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Western New York is cold for a good portion of the year, and definitely for the bulk of the football season. Especially for players who are from the West or South who aren’t particularly used to the cold.
It’s all relative. Someone born and raised in Georgia might tell you that 60 degrees is cold.
by Buffalo Bird on Jan 26, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Last season was extreme, but Western NY has been very nice in recent years. Here in ROC we’ve had under 19 inches of snow since the season started. The normal average is 55 inches.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bars are open til 4
What else do they need? Lol, but I tend to agree – Buffalo is a tough sell.
by inthegaddadavida on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s tough for people that serve the 4 am crowd. Coming from a band’s perspective it was really challenging playing that late and packing up for the drive back. I can’t imagine doing it every day, as a bar employee or late-night restaurant worker.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Coples
I have been looking at as much Youtube tape as I can on this guy probably like a lot of you and I am not impressed. I don’t get why they call him a DE if he lines up at DT all the time? To me he doesn’t look explosive, and seems to be an underachiever. He has the size and strength to push people, but only seems to do it when he wants too.
From what I looked at, there is no pass rusher worth taking at 10 IMHO. If we are convinced on taking a pass rusher in the first, I really hope we drop down to do it. I like the kid from Illinois the best if we go that route.
If we stay at 10, like we most always do, I would like to see a tackle. There are a couple great tackle prospects, that would solidify a position that is always important for the next 5+ years. We should build around our two good running backs and create an Identity in Buffalo. We haven’t have an Identity since the K-Gun. I vote making it tough hard running in western NY with a dominant Defense. That being said, I wouldn’t mind Upshaw either if we stayed. The guy may not be your prototypical 6-4 265lb pass rusher off the edge, but he is sure as HeII a good football player. He was the MVP on probably the best defense college football has ever seen. He will be great against the run and provide a pass rush better than anything we have had. There are also plenty of pass rushers in this draft worth taking a shot on in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that may end up being better than Coples…I think Coples is a risk, rather than a sure fire pick. Thats my take on this whole “we need a pass rusher with the top pick.”
by csc06258 on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
i agree with you on Mercilus and on Coples
@10 I like Hightower and Vontaze Ber….i can’t spell his name…He’s the LB from Arizona State
I like your style, I absolutely love the way Him Burkfitz. He is a scary animal. I could see him going to the Ravens and being the next Ray Lewis, I wouldn’t mind taking him if we traded down as well. If we traded down, you could take Hightower, Vontaze, or Mercilus and I would be happy
Him Burkfitz sounds like an alligator wrestler.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Vontaze
…yeah he is going to set suspended or have a concussion one or the other or both. He plays way too out of control.
He has not tackling technique and just like to hit people. Which is great when you can over power people in college. In the nfl he is going to snap his neck.
Ray Lewis actually makes the tackle and the hit. Vontaze just has no regard for anyone.
Hightower I like him a lot even a bit more than Upshaw. Idk where he is projected to go.
6 foot 4 260 can play any linebacking position ILB and OLB in 3-4 or 4-3. I wouldn’t mind selecting him at 10 but i think he could slip to the 2nd round. Maybe we get upshaw and hightower.
Mercilus is a one trick pony…who should slip to the 2nd round.
Bills need multiple pass rushers
With playing against one of the best QB’s to ever play the game (Brady) twice a year, you would have thought the Bills would have put together one of the best pass rushing defenses to counter Brady already. Jauron thought by trying to assemble a great secondary, he could counter the Pats and that failed miserably. At minimum, the Bills need to spend 2 high draft picks on pass rushers (if not more). Having 3 pass rushers on the team that can put up 10+ sacks each a season would be ideal, especially against the Pats O-line & Brady. If Nix is counting on Merriman to have any kind of pass rushing impact (given his history of injuries), then he’s foolish. I like Kelsay, he’s a hard working player and will play whatever position you ask of him, but like Brian said, he’s not even an average pass rusher.
yea, they should really go after it like the Giants have done…With a great pass rush, you make your secondary look a lot better. Unfortunately Dick got it backwards…I guess in theory if you had great coverage you could allow more time for your pass rushers, but I think it works better the other way around, especially since we are anemic at the pass rush position.
Exactly. If you can hit the QB, chase him and forcehim to throw the ball quicker than anticipated, the more likely the ball will be incomplete and/or the secondary will have a better chance of a turnover. If you have an anemic pass rush (like the Bills), it doesn’t matter how good your secondary is, because eventually someone will get open. Romo, Rivers and Matt Moore looked like Brady, Brees and P. Manning against our defense, since the Bills pass rush was so bad.
Instead of wasting multiple 1st round picks on RB’s & CB/DB’s, the Bills should have used those picks on DE’s and OLB’s that had size (and weren’t shrimps like Maybin).
well hopefully it will start this year…However, I am not overly impressed by anyone worthy to take at 10…look at what I wrote above
If there is not a great pass rusher available at #10, the Bills should trade down, so they get multiple picks in return. I don’t know how the draft rules work, but I think the Bills could get an extra 2nd and 4th round pick from trading back in the first round.
Brady is decidedly human when faced with pressure.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is 100% correct
Obviously Brady is an all-timer and is going to get the best of you on most days, but there’s a correlation between why Miami and New York have occasionally had some success against Brady in years past while Buffalo has had NO success whatsoever in historic proportions against him. That reason is linked to the lack of 40 sacks stat since 2004 cited in the article- spanning multiple GMs, head coaches, players, and not surprisingly all losing seasons. Buffalo needs to look inward at their unquestionable putridness rather than whining about external factors like the presence of a great QB in their division.
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by Port Royal on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You’re absolutely correct. The Bills should have buit a defense similar to one’s like in Baltimore, NYG, Houston & SF. The Bills had a good D for 2 years in the 2000’s, but Donahoe screwed that up when he didn’t resign Pat Williams. I liked Marv Levy as a coach, but he was absoluetly horrible as a GM. Hiring Jauron and letting him have his way in the draft really set this team back many of years. Getting rid of good LB’s like Fletcher & Spikes. Drafting Whitner over Ngata, then trading back into the 1st round for McCargo. Larry Tripplett…need I say more. The Bills have no one to blame for this mess but themselves. I honestly believe most Bills fans could have put together a much team than Donahoe/Levy/Brandon did.
Unfortunately, it’s likely that A.M. has ruined Ralph on pass rushers going early, much in the same way we feel Mike Williams likely did. Maybin makes Williams look like an all-pro.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
we might see just how human on 2/5
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I would prefer they end up 3-2 than 4-1 in Super Bowls.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
You could totally empty this cupboard and I honestly believe Buffalo would be just as well off. Some of these players are useful in minimal spurts, but overall, this group is a disgrace. Mario Williams? Why would he choose to come to this train wreck if he hits the open market? Even if he was going for the absolute top dollar available, Buffalo wouldn’t pay it. I wouldn’t complain about drafting multiple pass rushers early. I WILL complain that Buffalo has allowed their roster to end up in this mess to begin with. Sure, use a 1st and a 3rd on pass rushers if good prospects are available. Now what about the CBs (plural), WRs (plural), TEs (plural), LT, and oh, franchise QB this roster is missing. Too many failed drafts prior to Nix, too little promise shown from the prospects Nix has added thus far, too little done bvia the other avenues available throughout. What’s the plan here?
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by Port Royal on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Merriman and Kelsay
are the poster children for what’s wrong with this regime. Give an above average contract to:
Kelsay has never been even an average pass rusher
and Shawne “Mr. IR” Merriman:
Assuming he’s healthy, he’ll likely be on the field – for better or worse – because the team simply doesn’t have better options
Why not spend this money for “better options”? Between these two, we haven’t gotten any bang for the buck. But, CHIX continue to hitch their wagon to these duds(not dudes). Perfect example: They ignore JPP for a running back. This issue could have been solved 2 years ago.
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According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
Hindsight is always 20-20, but foresight is 50-50
Grabbing Merriman off waivers was a risk, but still a good risk to take. It’s not like they grabbed a nobody and expected him to suddenly be a superstar. They grabbed someone who used to be a superstar but has had injury problems the previous few years. Unfortunately, he continues to be plagued by injuries, but that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision.
I may agree that Kelsay is overpaid and playing out of position, but I still think he has tremendous value as a hard worker and team player. He is one of the few solid veterans that need to be retained if we ever want to make a playoff run. He just needs to be back up on the line with a hand on the ground. As a lineman, he’s adequate. Not a Pro Bowl player, but adequate.
Jason Pierre-Paul was looking like a combine wonder at the time, and you seem to have conveniently forgotten which side of the ball played worse in 2009. Under Dick Jauron, we had the infamous “pop-gun” offense that struggled to even score 20 points per game. We were almost as likely to score on defense or special teams as we were on offense. We had no legitimate home run threat back then, and Spiller remains our only home run threat now. Maybe it was a surprising pick, given our RB depth at the time, but to say that picking Pierre-Paul instead of Spiller would have been the miracle cure for the team is a not a fair claim. At the time of the draft, Aaron Schobel’s status was unknown, and it was hoped that a transition to the 3-4 would benefit Aaron Maybin. So, it wasn’t reasonable to expect the Bills to draft another pass rusher in the first round.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you seem to have conveniently forgotten
I wish I could…Spiller “the home run threat” couldn’t even get up to bat until Fedex went down. You said it yourself about Merriman, “someone who used to be a superstar but has had injury problems” and Kelsay is a “hard worker”. No where did you say, “productive player(s)”.
And what would be wrong with, “stacking player on player” as an old sage said, by getting JPP and putting him behind Schobel? Had they done that, they would have been doing what a rebuilding team does, i.e. plan for the future. Further, if they had done it, many would be heralding them now as even bigger geniuses…they would be using foresight and, in hindsight, would have made the Schobel retirement a non-event. That’s what winners do, plan for contingencies, injuries, and so on.
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by fansince60 on Jan 26, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, using your own terminology, drafting Spiller wasn’t “stacking player upon player?”
Drafting another pass rusher at that time would have meant that they would have already written Maybin off as a bust. They were willing to give him more time, hoping that he would benefit from the change of scheme and position. Unfortunately, he showed up for training camp at a decreasing weight every year, and he lacked motivation. Jason Pierre-Paul was seen as a very similar player to Maybin and was not seen as a sure thing. Spiller was viewed as an instant starter (which didn’t quite go as planned), but it has more to do with how Gailey sticks with a workhorse model on offense as to why Spiller wasn’t used more before Fred Jackson got hurt. It’s not as if he wasn’t playing well when he he did get touches at the beginning of this year. We can certainly look back now and wish we had drafted one player over another, but that’s the nature of the draft.
As for Merriman, yes, there was a reasonable chance that he might never be healthy for an entire season and/or as productive as he used to be. That still doesn’t mean it was a bad decision. He was somewhat productive while healthy this year, albeit more against the run than as a pass rusher. I still think he can be a useful component next year, but probably not as an every-down player.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The problem becomes how they’ve viewed Merriman all along – as a top-flight starter. If Roscoe Parrish becomes a casualty of the team, then Merriman deserves to as well.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Currently Merriman is under contract, Parrish is not.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 26, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
How is hindsight 20/20 with JPP vs Spiller? They had two very good backs already with Lynch and Jackson. They had NOONE to rush the passer. It was maddening hearing that pick.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not true, saying they had nobody. At the time, they had Schobel and Maybin as their pass rushers. Schobel chose to retire instead of change roles (from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB), and Maybin became one of the worst busts in Bills’ history.
I wouldn’t have taken Spiller, given what I thought were more pressing needs at the time, but I think he will be a capable player for many, many years.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude. They had Maybin. A nobody even at that point. And Spiller may be capable, but his was a position no so difficult to fill as to ignore rushing the most important player the opponent fields.
It’s nearly laughable how putrid the entire situation is.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybin wasn’t a nobody at that point. He was the previous regime’s #11 overall pick for whom they still held out hope that he might live up to expectations. He failed. And when he showed up at training camp this year at a weight that would make him too small to even play safety, they gave up on him. And don’t forget Chris Ellis, the 2008 version of Maybin who was still on the roster.
And while it’s fairly easy to find an above average running back who can rush for 1000 yards in a season, true game breakers who can rip off a long touchdown run on any given play are much harder to find. They took the best player available, a common draft strategy.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree with the following:
the Bills don’t want to spend huge money unless they have to
What would you consider the money spent on Kelsay and Merriman, both marginal in terms of reliable pressure? I’d say they spent a TON on both of them given the circumstances and production they could realistically expect. To me, it screams of their nervousness in not adding something to the position.
So when it comes to a stud FA, I think the huge money is money they “have to” spend. It’s only going to get uglier with a far-too-young-to-be-geriatric Merriman and a stable, middle-of-the-road Kelsay.
It’s like they employ players from a different league against their opponents.
Just so deflating.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions
Kelsay got the bigger of the two deals, and he got a $24 million contract. Elite pass rushers don’t pull in that meager bank on the open market. So no, they’re not spending huge money on those players.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Then they’ll continue to suck, imo. Paying strong amounts of money on players (and yes, I like Kelsay more than the average Bills purist) who really don’t instill fear in QBs’ eyes will continue to keep this team gasping for air as the waves crash over their heads.
Someone needs to remind them that the greatest team of the last 12 years – and a dynasty at that – is in their division and contains the greatest QB in the game today. And he hates pressure. And until they get in his face consistently, he’ll continue to pick their bones clean twice a season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
OLBs (even average ones) don't grow on trees
I agree w/ BG’s assessment. A “healthy” Merriman by his new physical reality is still probably a top 15 OLB even if he doesn’t get double digit sacks per year. Pressure, pursuit and setting the edge are all I want from Merriman this year. I said back in August that I only expected Shawne to last 6-8 games before going out and that’s what happened. He was still a good risk to take and this is his year to either come back and be more effective for us than whoever else we put in his place (and he doesn’t need gobs of sacks to do that) or we end the experiment. I think Aaron Williams in the 2nd round last year was the better pick for us than the OLB’s who were selected after him. Finally, Kelsay (as BG stated) made average $$ under his new contract, not crazy money. The guy doesn’t get hurt and at least gives us stability at the position and leadership.
by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I feel he should not be counted on as anything other than a change of pace player in terms of contribution. I hate every bit of the conversation claiming he should be, needs, to be, and will be a major component to their pass rush.
It’s just so stupid to me. If the team’s best pass rush is also their biggest question mark, that’s bad news.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who ever said that Merriman was expected to be a major component of the pass rush? We’re hopeful that he will be able to stay healthy longer and contribute at least to the level that he did in 2011, but I think that just about everybody here is assuming that the Bills’ pass rush will depend primarily on somebody who isn’t currently on the roster — most likely, a high draft pick.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're a year too late!
There was so much talent last year at that position, and I’m talking outside of the first 2 rounds. One good thing is that Buddy finally realized that his “has beens” may not cut it. Go BIG or go home!
by Section312AgainstCanadians on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions
Opposite
of the inside backers. At least this side of the ball has some young players with potential upside (though I’m doubtful). The inside backers are so bereft in youth and talent (outside of Sheppard) that any injury leads to an enormous marginal talent difference between backup and starter (which is a big problem when the starters aren’t that great to begin with). It goes without saying that a player that commands double teaming could really open blitz lanes and the younger pass rushers. They need to be bold either through FA or trades. Counting on the draft is nice, but as the lead suggests, this organization has been wandering without a clue in terms of finding a pass rusher.
Same issue, different year
This problem has been apparent for YEARS and the franchise has continued to let it fester. It’s not fixable overnight, and it’s hard to envision a strong unit any time soon based on the current players, those available in the draft and what theBills might be able to acquire in free agency.
I really don’t expect a huge overhaul of what we have. There will likely (hopefully) be an addition or two, but how exactly can Nix get this group to where they need?
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by Kurupt on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It might take two years
Obviously, they need to grab a capable pass rusher as soon as they can in the draft — somebody who can come in and start right away. They need to find a second pass rusher, but they might not be able to find a second quality starter through either the draft or free agency. So, we might have to get by with a platoon of Kelsay and Merriman this year, then pick up another pass rusher the following year.
by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How much money can we offer Mario Willaims?
I’m just curious what the max contract we could offer Mario Williams.
Thank god free agency is before the draft. We can at least get a better picture of what is available if we can’t make any nose during the off-season.
Maybe the easiest answer is to grab other big body on the line. So that we can throw in a so-so guy and get to the quarterback more.
Like Brockers…or Devon Still. Look at the Pats. They got 10 sack seasons out of a bunch of no ones because of their D-Line.
Wilfork is just amazing.
really makes that whole front 7 way better
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Great post.
…but why do you keep referring to 2011 as 2010? (twice in reference to Merriman)
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by Sawyer in Boston on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions
Stock up
Like others have mentioned, I think they should grab as many pass rushers as they can in the draft, without over-reaching.

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