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In A Perfect World, Buffalo Bills Won't Be Fussy About Pass Rushers

It's been a day for discussing defensive alignments and pass-rushing personnel - and that wasn't planned, by the way - so I thought it'd be a good time to address another question I'm frequently asked by readers. (I was asked again this very afternoon, in fact.)

That question, in a nutshell: are the Buffalo Bills going to try to draft a 3-4 outside linebacker or a 4-3 defensive end to address their pass rush?

My answer to that question, every time, is this: in a beautiful future in which the Bills would have the luxury of making such a choice with their No. 10 pick, I firmly believe that Buddy Nix and crew would take the better player, then figure out the scheme from there. That's the only outcome that makes any degree of sense.

The Bills are pretty uniquely positioned right now in two ways: they have no pass-rushers, and they've got versatility at the top of the depth chart along the defensive line and at linebacker. As the old adage goes, beggars can't be choosers. If they're so lucky to get to choose between a solid pass-rushing linebacker and a solid pass-rushing end, they'd better take the better of the two prospects and figure the rest out from there.

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I’m no expert but don’t all the top pass rushers have the size and athleticism to do either really? Serious question, not snarky one.

by Leo Crow on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

yeah most of them have the size

However some don’t have the athleticism to transform to OLB. There have been a few elite DE’s over the last few years asked to move outside in a 3-4. Some can do it (Tamba Hali springs to mind) and others cannot (Vanden Bosch was horrid when asked to go to a 3-4 for example)

I also seem to remember about 2 years ago an Green Bay DE who was good being putrid when he went to a 3-4 at another team (name escapes me for the moment).

Anyof those 260 – 275 lb guys have the right size,just a question of whether they can handle the added coverage responsibilities.

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by Will G on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Kampman, I believe

by Pistol on Jan 26, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo

thank you – didn’t have time to look it up at that stage. He was really good as a 4-3 end and so bad as a 3-4 backer – his coverage was horrid.

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by Will G on Jan 27, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah coverage is the issue

especially with the amount of two tight end sets the bills will play every year

by billleve on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

not really, no. take someone like von miller or clay matthews. those are pure outside backers who you cannot trust to play as a defensive end on the average run down. von miller would be a huge liability as a defensive end in the run game.
lets contrast that with say jared allen. allen is an animal pass rusher off the edge as a 4-3 DE, but he is absolutely not a guy you would want dropping off the line of scrimmage and playing in space.
and will g just made pretty much the same point so ill stop right there. some can go both ways, some cant. either way brian is dead on with this post

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean in this draft class, sorry.

by Leo Crow on Jan 26, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This
As the old adage goes, beggars can’t be choosers.

Never a truer statement posted ! They are indeed in a unique position to go with the best available regardless of scheme.

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by Will G on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Are there any studs this year? Is it wise for them to sit back and take one when they pick, or better to Spiller that pick?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think they’ll Spiller that pick. Probably an OT.

Honestly I think the odds of them taking a pass rusher at 10 are small

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by J2 on Jan 26, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s going to be a long season, I fear.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

longer than long

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

but even a 2nd round pass rusher would help somewhat.

Of course if they go to a 4-3 then Kyle Williams becomes a 6 sack guy again and Dareus should get at least that many (as would Kelsay) I suppose that still leaves us needing a 10 sack guy though which is unlikely in round 2 !

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by Will G on Jan 27, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No, no

If they spiller the pick they’ll take something no one’s talking about…

3-4 DE.

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by lord gloom on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

O.T.

Buffalo needs a offensive tackle anyway. Without top notch pass rush in this draft one long season will put Buffalo right back in position for one next year.

by ONEREALMAN on Jan 28, 2012 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t think there are any obvious slam dunk picks. Quinton Coples is a beast, but only when he chooses to be. (Motivation issues.) Courtney Upshaw is a beast, but he’s not as tall as the prototypical OLB. I think the Bills will settle on a few prospects after checking them out at the Senior Bowl, combine, pro days, etc.

Re-signing Bell would diminish the chances of taking an OT with the #10 pick. WR might be an option, especially is Stevie signs elsewhere. CB will probably be taken in a later round with Kirkpatrick suffering some character issues.

by SiriusRed on Jan 26, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree... rec'd

A lot will depend on what their immediate needs will be after Free Agency. I am of the opinion, you draft for depth and you develop your starters. Some rookies are ready quicker than others. Coples and Upshaw are very developed for college players (like Darius was) and could probably start right away, that doesn’t mean they are accomplished though. They still have to develop and learn to play NFL football.

by dabillsr1 on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

@SiriusRed

Aren’t you concerned with Bell’s injury history?

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by buffalobacker on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

However, if the Bills don’t re-sign him, then that creates yet another urgent need. The team has enough urgent needs (DE/OLB, WR, CB, and QB of the future) already, so why create more? Between Bell and Hairston, I think there is a reasonable chance of at least one of them finishing the season, and both are adequate. Hopefully, having a full off-season of training (with no lockout) will decrease their risk of injury.

by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're probably right

And it’s very indicative of the state of this team’s roster and the overall vision of the front office and coaching staff entering their third offseason in charge that they’d let the 10th pick of the draft dictate to them their base defense. Nothing has been built, they’re just tredding water, hoping for a life raft to be dropped from the sky.

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by Port Royal on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

And it’s very indicative of the state of this team’s roster and the overall vision of the front office and coaching staff entering their third offseason in charge that they’d let the 10th pick of the draft dictate to them their base defense.

there’s about 5 discussions I want to have in regards to this, but I won’t. rec’d

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by J2 on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like we need to at some point. It’s amazing things have gone on as they have for so long with so many different parties in control.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

with so many different parties in control.

there is a common denominator that might be dictating a lot of things, but this isn’t the time/article for that.

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by fansince60 on Jan 26, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

I’ll tell ya!

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by buffalobacker on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope not

I’d hate to think that between now and the end of April they are not already working on the 2012 D. If they are waiting until May to decide what D to run we are already doomed – I want to type something a lot stronger than doomed but fear erasure of comment hehehe

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by Will G on Jan 27, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

they better get someone

because they got zip right now

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

I think Bruce Smith could still do better than anyone on their current roster.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bruce at 60

could run circles around anyone on the roster.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

bruce is probab;y better

than any of the stiffs we got……….

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a great point

We are solid up front and Dareus and Williams are so versatile that I don’t think it will matter with them. Also, our secondary is very very strong at safety in my opinion and the young corners have shown some promise. Another cornerback is to be expected I think, but you make a very good part on the pass rusher. If it happens they like a guy better suited for a 4-3 DE, then I don’t think Darues and Williams would have a problem at the DT’s alongside with Kelsay at the other end. Sheppard, Barnett and what I would believe Moats would be fine too…moats is better suited for a 4-3 anyways. Like you said, whatever they think is better. Unfortunately, I am not blown away by any of the “pass rushing” guys

by csc06258 on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin around.
. If they’re so lucky to get to choose between a solid pass-rushing linebacker and a solid pass-rushing end, they’d better take the better of the two prospects and figure the rest out from there.

If we can get someone who can get after the QB, we need him.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 26, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

upshaw

i was just watching a clip of courtney upshaw good/bad plays and i have to admit i was quite impressed, i love how aggressive he is with blockers and his drive when attacking QBs, i think he’ll get beat to the outside on occasion and he’ll get flogged like a dusty rug in coverage by athletic TEs but id be more than happy to see him in a bills uniform, not sure if he warrants the 10th pick overall though. just my opinion :/

by snakebyte18 on Jan 26, 2012 5:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Take Nick Perry......get CB, WR, and best players available in later rounds

That’s how I’m rolling tonight. Could roll Upshaw or Coples tomorrow.

I like to believe this has more to do with the Bills players feeling like they can be something special. They started a year 0-8 and finished 4-4 while taking playoff and championship game bound teams to OT and 3 pt nail biters. All this with one year under a new coach and with a young roster. Im sure they can feel what they are capable of. -poz

by RBbills on Jan 26, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

This article is correct. Take the best prospect at #10 and then figure out what to do with him.

Spinning things a litte differently though I would say that DE is more probable. I understand the lack of depth behind Merriman and Kelsay. Who would a Courtney Upshaw replace if we went in that direction. I mean if Merriman was to stay healthy close to a full season it would be hard to get our #10 pick on the field. We do need depth here but not so sure a #10 depth player is our top priority and I dont see Kelsay moving back to DE and becoming situational. Now our front four is another story. When healthy there is plenty of depth and situational DLmen but only two of them we could argue as above average and those two haven’t played together at 100% health. Alot of this is guess work because of injury but the sounds of Dareus, Williams, Troup, Johnson, Carrington and Edwards all sound solid with four of the six being solid in depth and rotational situations. Replacing Edwards at RDE with a stud pass rushing Dareus type player would seem more appropriate at #10. Sure to get on the field early and often in his rookie year. Edwards has enough game left in him to get some playing time and benefit the defense but his time is coming soon. DE seems to me the more logical choice. A quality depth LB in the second round would also help, but I would still make a strong push in FA for a known pass rushing LBer to back up Merriman and even a rookie in the second to help strengthen the whole group going forward. WR should come from FA, strong depth at CB should come from FA, but pass rush is such a high priortiy that it wouldn’t hurt to draft a couple players early and even get an experienced LB in FA.

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by VanScottM on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Saturday..

With the Senior Bowl this Saturday we may get a better idea of the potential defensive cogs that will be available when we pick at 10. I’ll be curious to see how Upshaw looks compared to Coples or if some other player (like Melvin Ingram) could slip into the top 15.

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by christopher.j on Jan 27, 2012 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

How about both a DE and a OLB?

Maybe after snatching the “best available” at #10, they’ll be another of the bigger name pass rushers available in round 2? They really need a pass rush. Why risk that the one they pick doesn’t work out? Stock up I say!

by MythicPicnic on Jan 27, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

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