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Article on Quinton Coples - Charlotte Newspaper


Charlotte Observer

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/26/2959305/spotlight-gives-uncs-coples-a.html

MOBILE, Ala. As a tall, athletic defensive end from North Carolina, the comparisons to Julius Peppers were unavoidable for Quinton Coples.

Actually, Coples could have avoided this comparison: the tendency to go less than 100 percent every snap.

But where critics claimed Peppers would take plays off when he was with the Carolina Panthers, Coples has been blasted for taking the first three-quarters of the season off during his final year with the Tar Heels.

Coples, a 6-6, 280-pound native of Kinston, began last season as the top-rated senior prospect and a projected top-5 pick. But after a slow start that raised questions about his drive, Coples' draft stock slipped.

Coples had 2.5 sacks in the Tar Heels' first eight games against FBS schools, then had three in the final two regular-season games against Virginia Tech and Duke.

While some top seniors, such as Penn State defensive tackle Devon Still, skip the Senior Bowl for fear it will hurt their prospects, Coples had no choice but to come to Mobile.

Tony Pauline, draft expert for SI.com, said UNC coaches have been telling scouts Coples played cautiously his senior season to avoid getting hurt - a charge Coples denies. Coples said his production fell off initially because of his move to the right side, where he faced better offensive tackles, many of whom had help blocking Coples.

"I was in a situation most people wouldn't understand. I experienced double teams, triple teams, like I've never experienced before in my career," Coples said. "It was a big adjustment. I learned a lot and it helped me mature and become more of a professional as a man on and off the field."

Coples has had a good week at the Senior Bowl practices, beating blockers during 1-on-1 drills and looking like the kind of impact pass-rusher that draws big contracts in the quarterback-centric NFL. Peppers received a $90 million deal from Chicago as a free agent after the 2009 season. During his last fall in Charlotte, Peppers returned to Chapel Hill for the Florida State game and met Coples on the sideline at Kenan Stadium.

Coples said he respects Peppers as a player and person, but wants to establish his own identity. Pauline said he must first convince scouts he has the will.

"He looks the part. Occasionally he plays to it," Pauline said. "He shows some Julius Peppers in his game at times. But the problem is he did it for two games this year. The first three-quarters of the season he took off."

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper ranks Coples as the top defensive end and projected him to go seventh in his first mock draft - just ahead of the Panthers, who could have an interest in bringing in a pass-rushing end to line up opposite Charles Johnson.

"That would be unbelievable," Coples said. "Playing in my home state."

One of Coples' college rivals believes Coples will be a big addition for whichever team drafts him.

"He's a very explosive player. He's got a lot of talent," said former Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson, who played his first three seasons at N.C. State.

"He's a great kid, first of all. And you definitely see it on the field. Me and him are buddies. Whenever I see him, we joke around a little bit. ... I've seen a lot of great players, and he's definitely one of them."

Then after praising Coples, Wilson couldn't resist taking a shot at him.

"It was exciting to play against him," Wilson said. "The good thing is we beat 'em three times."

Coples' stop-and-start senior season has not prompted him to re-adjust his goals. Never mind the defensive ends; Coples said he's competing with quarterbacks, running backs and receivers for one of the top picks in the draft.

"My goal is to be the best defensive lineman that ever came through at the size of 280 and 6-6," he said.

There's another one from Coples' old school who can make a pretty strong argument. But Coples is ready to be his own man.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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In the right situation, he can be great….Need solid veterans to bring the best out of him….If not he can end up like Jamaal Anderson (DE) drafted by the Falcons….I believe he played for Arkansas

by doctork44 on Jan 26, 2012 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

The guy was really gonna come out and say yah I decided to not try three quarters of the season or I am afraid of getting hurt so I do not belong on a football field.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Jan 26, 2012 9:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

seriously

people read something and add on their opinion… then somebody reads that opinion and adds on more…. pretty soon coples becomes this horrible human being…. half the so called experts have no idea what they are talking about…

almost all the people who comment on coples have never met him, likely never even seen him play and question his drive….

nobody mentions the fact that he played from the tackle position a lot this year and that might have led to the drop in his numbers as well….

just today there were so many articles and posts about him… everyone’s saying he is blowing it up in the senior bowl week… not combine, not some 40 yard dash but in senior bowl…. this guy has unbelievable upside… maybe his lack of production might not even be his drive related…

but good deal, atleast this character question might drop him to 10… else he is gone in top 4

by statcruncher on Jan 26, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure Coples goes in top 4.....

Luck goes #1, Rams take top OT or WR, Vikes take whoever Rams don’t, RG3 goes to Cleveland, Bucs really need a CB so Claiborne makes sense for them……so soonest I see him going would be at #6 to the Skins.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

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by Joe P. on Jan 26, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I’d be willing to say there is only a 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% chance the Bucs would take Quinton Coples after taking DT Roy Miller in 2009 (3), DT Gerald McCoy in 2010 (1), DT Brian Price in 2010 (2), DE Adrian Clayborn in 2011 (1) and DE DaQaun Bowers in 2011 (2).

I think if Coples doesn’t fall to the Bills Jax, Carolina and Miami are the most likely to take him. Jax could snag him if they fail to re-sign Mincey. They don’t appear to have anyone else. Carolina could certainly use him, though they have Charles Johnson, but it sounds like they are more in need of a DT (of which value will likely exist at that position for their pick), and Miami could probably use another OT, QB (Tannehill is receiving talks of being top 10), or DT with Soliai a FA and the Dolphins possibly switching to 4-3.

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by NordicBillsfan on Jan 27, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Miami

could conceivably take DeCastro, or another WR as well.

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by mob16151 on Jan 27, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Teams tend to do there due diligence on him so we shall see draft day. His senior bowl defnitly helps alleviate the not try thing. Sept for the try for a few days higher pay angle. With this teams high.character requirements if they pick him they probably did their due diligence on him and I am ok with the pick. My angle on all the recent stuff is just even if it was him not trying would he really come out and admit it.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Jan 26, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why not
My angle on all the recent stuff is just even if it was him not trying would he really come out and admit it.

Donte Paige-Moss basically did.

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by mob16151 on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

So we got one guy out of like every draft that basically did. Since I do not remember did thus help his draft stock did he get drafted higher or lower than expected. This guy has an agent they practice what to say to people in interviews. I do not see an angent that would say hey lets go out and say you did not try for three quarters of the season that should really help you on draft day.

"This is a chance to shine some light on the city, They say it’s too cold. I’m going to bring some warmth to it." Marcell Dareus

by matthew62 on Jan 27, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

All I did was provide an example

of doing something that we all have a hard time believing. lol

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by mob16151 on Jan 27, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you are presuming a lot also. Not everybody is forming their opinion based on another person’s opinion. I had read several posts about other Bills fans wanting the Bills to draft Coples and I decided to see how he played. I went to Youtube and found a video that had his good plays and bad plays. To me, he isn’t worth a top 10 pick and I would be hesitant to pick him at all for several reasons. The video that I watched on Youtube was an analysis of a few of his games from 2010. What I saw is that he had average speed and average to slightly below average burst off the ball. You can see him struggle to catch up to plays that get behind him or wide of him (and the same goes for Upshaw). He can and did line up all over the line however, it didn’t seem like he was playing as hard as he could. I don’t think that he did. Do I know the reason? No. Could he have been injured? Yes. Could it be just because of his slow as molasses burst? Definitely. Do I see him being as a solution to the Bills pass rush woes? Absolutely not. I think he will at most be a decent LE for a team and nothing more. I think that the people that want the Bills to draft a pass rusher in the first round are grasping at straws.

by AP22 on Jan 27, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This was supposed to be a reply to statcruncher’s post.

by AP22 on Jan 27, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think ive ever seen someone accuse coples of being a horrible human being.
myself, and others, have simply pointed out the very obvious fact that he played without any sort of passion or hustle as a senior. im not going to take coples word for it, when he and everyone else is clearly angling for a better draft selection and more money. im going to figure things out based on what i saw on the field from him last season
draw your own conclusions, but for my 10th overall pick i dont want a defender unless i know, beyond any doubt, that hes a balls-to-the-wall kind of player on each snap. i hope theres no space in the bills locker room for someone who doesnt clearly put their whole heart into the game of football.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 28, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

ive seen a lot of coples, this is the most recent video i found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzaIhsHLK4&feature=player_embedded

allow me to have some fun with this..
0:42 – coples should get the sack, or at least a QB hit, on this play. but, since hes moving half speed, he doesnt close on the QB at all and you can actually see him give up (he starts jogging with the QB about 1.5 yards away) at the tail end of the play

1:18 – top10 pick? make that freaking tackle. coples goes totally unblocked, QB hands ball off from the shotgun, coples is indecisive and tentative and ends up just watching the RB run by. he needs to plant that ball carrier for a 2 yard loss.

1:37 – mizzou runs an option right at him. there is no reason in the world not to bury the quarterback on this play, but coples doesnt. he goes after the RB instead but doesnt have the speed to make the tackle anyway. his shoulder shouldve exploded in the quarterbacks ribs here

2:27 – its 3rd and 1. mizzou calls a basic run right at coples. what happens? a freaking tight end dominates coples and washes him right down the line. ford f150 could fit through that hole. excellent stack/shed skills, mr coples

2:35 (very next snap, after a 240 lb tight end had coples for lunch) – lazy and tentative. coples goes unblocked (its been a theme for far by the way, missouri didnt have much respect for his playmaking ability), gets there quick enough to get in on the tackle and cause the ball carrier discomfort, but he is content just standing around for a bit watching his team do the work. at the very, very end coples decides to sort of flop on the pile.

4:10 – coples actually makes a tackle on this play, and its got nothing to do with him being productive. ball is snapped, and coples just gets upright and stands there. after playing patty-cake with the Olinemen for a second the running back falls right into coples’ lap because his teammates (who are, you know, actually playing football on this snap) blew the play up in the backfield. yuck yuck yuck.

4:17 – back-to-back plays where coples decides to have a breather. him getting out of his stance here reminds me of a 6 year old getting out of bed for school (“but, do i have to?”). takes him so long after the snap to get out of his stance, and then is again content to move at half-speed and is lucky the play went to the other side. had missouri dialed up an off tackle run to the left on this play, coples wouldve had to watch them run right by.

after that i stopped with about 2 minutes left. i despise watching coples play football. the lack of effort and his overhyped skill set is too much

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 28, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Wow!
That WAS pathetic. Is he related to Fat Albert?

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Jan 28, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually disagree with you on this one. That is probably the best that I have seen him play and I don’t think that he played poorly in that game. Not at all. Did he execute poorly on some plays? Yes. That can be coached up. But he also played disciplined and I think he gave good effort overall. Go back and watch the video. There is a play where he beats his guy using hand fighting and then another guy goes to block him and he does it again and then he pursued the football. That is good effort. Another thing that surprised me was his speed and acceleration in that clip. I was so surprised that I actually looked up what kind of surface he was playing on. It was field turf in case anyone is interested. He seemed to have good speed and acceleration. I think we might not have been thinking clearly about this guy. I have noticed that he can look slow at times but most of those times, in my opinion, it occurred when someone got their hands on him and he had to start up again. He isn’t a sideline to sideline player but that isn’t what he will be asked to do. He is a DE/DT not a LB. My two cents.

by AP22 on Jan 28, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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