Four Former Buffalo Bills Playing In This Weekend's Pro Bowl
by MattRichWarren on Jan 27, 2012 8:33 AM EST
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PrintWhen Fred Jackson was lost for the season with a broken fibula, the Buffalo Bills lost their only legitimate contender for the 2012 Pro Bowl. Even with injury substitutions, borderline Pro Bowlers weren't selected from the Buffalo squad. That doesn't mean that no players with Bills ties will be in Hawaii this weekend, however.
The AFC roster has one former Bills player in running back Willis McGahee. The former first round pick of Tom Donahoe will be making his second appearance, as he also made the Pro Bowl in his first year in Baltimore (2007). McGahee ran for 1,199 yards and four touchdowns this season.
Much like the AFC side, the NFC has a Pro Bowl running back who used to call Buffalo home. Marshawn Lynch of the Seattle Seahawks is joined on the squad by former Bills linebacker London Fletcher and tackle Jason Peters. Peters made the Pro Bowl in both of his final two seasons with the Bills, as well as all three years since he's been a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. This is Fletcher's third straight Pro Bowl as a member of the Washington Redskins. Lynch is making his first trip to Hawaii since his 2008 Pro Bowl nod while still with Buffalo.
Of the Pro Bowlers, only Peters was actually voted onto the squad. The rest of the former Bills were additions to the roster due to injury or Super Bowl appearances by the elected participants.
The coaching staffs also feature some former Bills coaches. Green Bay Packers quarterbacks coach Tom Clements was the Bills' offensive coordinator in 2004 and 2005, when McGahee posted back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons. (Clements also played one season for then-Chiefs coach Marv Levy in Kansas City.)
The Houston Texans coaching staff is leading the AFC roster, and former Bills defensive coordinator and head coach Wade Phillips serves the defensive coordinator role. Joining him on the staff is defensive line coach Bill Kollar, who is also the team's assistant head coach. Kollar coached the defensive line in Buffalo for three seasons before joining the Texans.
You can see the game on NBC at 7 PM this Sunday from Honolulu, if you are so inclined.
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Mcgahee, Lynch,Peters?
I’ll take Freddie, CJ, Wood and Levitre any day.
by loupiccone on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but the problem is, for you drafted McGahee in the first round and got rid of Henry (a 2nd round pick), you got rid of McGahee (a first round pick) and picked Lynch (a first round pick), you got rid of Lynch (a first round pick) to pick up Spiller (a first round pick) while you still had Fred Jackson (an undrafted free agent).
Seems to be a reason they keep spinning their wheels….they keep addressing the same positions (CB, RB) at the top of the draft.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 27, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think that's THE reason.
Here’s to using this year’s 1st rounder on another defensive front seven guy.
@sawyervanhorn
by Sawyer in Boston on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I don't like......
The idea of drafting a Lt. Tk. in the 1st or 2nd round. Bell is very young and very capable. If we draft a left tackle and let Bell go and he beats the injury bug, I dunno, I just don’t know how much more wheel spinning I can take.
I, obviously, would not be happy if he is let go and we take one high to replace him.
We have to have an offeseason this year where there is zero doubt that we are a much better team heading into week one. An offseason where we can say, the Bills front office was really shrewd and did everything they could do to make the team as good as anyone could have hoped for.
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And within a year, they will dump a very productive Fred Jackson for another #1 pick, CJ Spiller. I like what I see from Spiller, but I agree that they need to start filling some of the gaping holes. If Trent Richardson falls to them at #10, I will barf if they pick him.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so will I
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" If Trent Richardson falls to them at #10, I will barf if they pick him."
Is there anyone here that really thinks that is any where near a realistic possibility?
So why do I have to keep reading it??
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
1. No, I don’t think it’s likely, mostly because I don’t think Richardson will fall to #10.
2. Nix surprised everybody by taking Spiller at a time when it seemed like running back was the one position they needed least.
3. If Richardson somehow does fall to #10, then he will probably qualify as the “best player available”, even though running back is once again not a position of need — unless they pull off a surprising trade involving Fred Jackson, although Spiller and Choice would still be a reasonable duo.
4. I think the possibility of the Bills trading away Jackson is very real. They didn’t want to negotiate an extension this year, they have Spiller waiting to take his place, and how many more years do they really expect to get out of Fred? After the season he was having (prior to the injury), his trade value probably won’t ever be as high as it is now.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was different with Spiller
Lynch was looking at strike 3 with the league (1 year suspension) and Chan and Nix had no clue what they had in FredEx. I don’t think it was a shock at all. They played it safe by seeing a guy that could be Chris Johnson 2.0.
Fred Jackson ran for 1,062 yards the year before they drafted Spiller.
If they had no idea what they had in him they need to be fired last year. And Lynch was only suspended once.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 27, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Lynch might have only been suspended once, but his run-ins with the law were becoming a recurring issue. And while Fred Jackson is a solid, consistent contributor, he is not a home run threat. He can (and does) get caught from behind. His best attribute has to be his field vision — he finds running lanes that don’t seem to exist.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good lord.
Besides the ridiculousness of needing to draft an absolute “homerun” threat you’re disrespecting a man who had an 80 yard run, two 43 yard runs, a 49 yard and 43 yard reception because he can “get caught from behind.” Spiller on the other hand never broke 20 yards on a reception or 40 on a run.
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by twoeightnine on Jan 28, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
We might have been surprised he took a RB that high, but it was common knowlege that they were looking for a scatback
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“1. No, I don’t think it’s likely, mostly because I don’t think Richardson will fall to #10.”
I think there is 0% chance that Nix takes any RB in the first three rounds no matter who is there. No one at OBD has said anything about a need of any kind at RB. They are not looking for a RB upgrade. They will take a player that will make an impact. Hard to make a impact on the bench behind two great RB’s.
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“4. I think the possibility of the Bills trading away Jackson is very real. They didn’t want to negotiate an extension this year, they have Spiller waiting to take his place, and how many more years do they really expect to get out of Fred?”
I agree they did not want to negotiate with Fred last year, but not because they dont want him but bc they wanted to do a deal with him this year. They never inteded to not extend him just not in 2011. IMO this team has a history of playing delay on contract extentions that are more than one year from being complete. Call me old school but I can support this. It really bothers me that players think they need to be immediatley compensated with a new contract when they start to outplay their old contract when the league is full of contracts to players that are overcompesated. If you strike a deal for a four year contract It seems the least you can do is fulfill three of them before you start asking for more. Just my oppinion.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
by jbbillfan on Jan 28, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like it.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 28, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
@Blue Collar Buffalo
All of what you said is true. They picked Spiller b/c Lynch had a short leash. Spiller is more explosive and offered something that Lynch and Fred don’t offer. Long plays where Fred and Lynch get caught from behind are plays CJ could score on because of his speed. As we saw this year the team needs CB’s. THIS April they might take another CB at #10 and they wouldn’t be wrong to do it depending on the talent involved. This is a new regime and they have to be able to operate in the way they need to without Donohoe and Levy being brought into the equation every time.
I’m looking at the long view. Why do we have so little quality depth on this team? B/c our first round picks are from the same position. I’m not criticizing Nix for previous regimes, but saying that the players we have now are better than those that left isn’t the point. It’s saying that perhaps the organization could have upgraded more at other positions than they were able to at RB.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Jan 27, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo doesn’t / can’t resign it’s own high priced free agents (or soon to be free agents).
by Slick Shifty on Jan 27, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Freddie, CJ, Wood and Levitre any day
LOL … Ok buddy.
I’ll never forget Mike Mayock during the Eagles/Seahawks game: “Jason Peters is the best Left Tackle in football w/ Hall of Fame credentials..” I weeped.
by Michael_Necci on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Peters was the best player on the field for the Eagles offense every game I saw them this year. I’m not being hyperbolic either- he was a beast. That trade irks me more than any move this franchise has made in recent seasons (aside from year four of Jauron).
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jan 27, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea
if wood could stay healthy for a season that wasn’t a horrible trade off. But Freddie and CJ are better than McGahee and Lynch. If you remember it seemed that Peters, McGahee, and Lynch had some attitude problems.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
swallow the fly
If Buffalo locked up McGahee, they wouldn’t have had to draft Lynch (take Revis?). If Buffalo kept McGahee and drafted Revis, they wouldn’t have had to draft McKelvin (take Ryan Clady?) Etc. You can start these scenarios over beginning with keeping Lynch instead of drafting Spiller as well. The point is, these moves have ramifications MUCH deeper than arguing who is better: McGahee, Lynch, or Jackson (who missed half the season anyway).
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
One little problem...
McGahee couldn’t wait to get out of Buffalo, and his attitude was so bad that most fans couldn’t wait to see him go.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please
McGahee’s “bad attitude” came from Buffalo’s lukewarm interest in giving him his payday. That’s the same place Jason Peters’ “bad attitude” came from. Buffalo’s hands aren’t bound in these situations. They are very eager to take the easy, cheaper way out when such confrontations arise. It’s a major reason they are the dregs of the league that they are.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please
if McGahee had stayed in Buffalo, there might not have been any single women left, the guy has like 50 kids. He and Cromartie should get together. That guy had better never retire because his child support payments will be insane!!
That really has absolutely nothing to do with football, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t recall McGahee getting into money battles with the Bills. He failed to reach 1,000 yards rushing in 2006 (mostly because of injuries). His general dislike of Buffalo (both the team and the city) erupted when he suggested that the Bills would be better off moving to Toronto. By that point, even the fans had had enough, and he was traded for 3rd and 7th round picks. Unfortunately, those picks ended up being Trent Edwards and CJ Ah You. (Epic fail.)
The Jason Peters situation was definitely on the Bills. They signed him to fair money as a right tackle, but didn’t want to give him fair money when he established himself as a premier left tackle. Fortunately, the Bills got Eric Wood and Danny Batten out of the draft picks they got for trading away Peters. (They also got Shawn Nelson out of the deal, but he was a bust.)
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did we not offer Peters basically
the same contract?
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by billsoferie on Jan 27, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Peters was making $3m/year while Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery were both making about $7m/year. Peters wanted something in the range of $8m-$11m, but the Bills refused to renegotiate with him because they had just renegotiated his contract when he became a right tackle. They felt he should honor that contract even though they had since moved him to a more vital position — protecting the blind side.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Peters situation
Was a fiasco on both sides… Peters came out way a head he got the $$$’s he wanted, continues to make all-pro and is on a perenial playoff contender.
The Bills on the other hand, still need his replacement, haven’t sniffed the playoffs and continue to draft in the top 10…
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Good points
There are a lot of what ifs over the past 10 years of Bills drafts, but I am not blaming poor drafting in years previous on this regime. I think they have made some good moves to move on from past mistakes. Although in hindsight it looks like Marshawn would be a good back to pair with Fred, and we could have gotten a good OT instead of Spiller. But Spiller may actually be better than both Fred and Marshawn by the end of his career.
It is still amazing how poorly managed the Bills were after Polian and previous to Nix.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
For value, I’d take Wood/Levitre over Peters. Wood and Levitre are excellent players and Peters is most likely not a Hall of Famer. Furthermore, Jackson played at a higher level the last few years than McGahee or Lynch ever have. Both Jackson and Spiller are better as receiving options than those 2. Jackson and Spiller both have a yards per carry far better than McGahee/Lynch. Plus, the attitude problems aren’t there. I stand by my words.
While the Pro Bowl is obviously not a perfect All-Star game, it’s more than telling that Buffalo has no Pro Bowlers on their roster, yet felt is reasonable to TRADE three in the midst of a 12-year playoff drought. Welcome to the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NFL, a farm team for the contenders that enjoys the benefits of major league revenue sharing.
Buffalo really needs to get out of the practice of trading useful players under contract for mid-round picks. While it’s not all frugality at heart, it’s misguided all the same. It creates more holes on the roster that need to be filled when the roster is swiss cheese to begin with. If Buffalo ever gets to the point where they’re teaming with talent, then it will make sense to cut costs through such trades while simultaneously bundling midround picks to add youth to the roster. In the mean time, it’s time for Buffalo to INCREASE salary, lock up their vets when they are up for a raise, re-sign their better free agents, and use the draft to ADD talent rather than endlessly replace it.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Jan 27, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
It truly is telling when so many opportunities exist now that it’s played before the Super Bowl. There’s a serious lack of stud on the team. Fred Jackson goes down and suddenly they’re the creampuffs of the league.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 27, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Spiller filled in quite well once Fred went down. It was the loss of the other fifteen or so players that eventually wiped them out.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spiller filled in but was never looked at as a heavy-use back. It’s concerning to me to think that Gailey doesn’t intend on using him for more than 15 touches a game.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 27, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
How many times did Fred get more than 15 touches in a game? It seemed like we were always complaining about Fred being underutilized despite putting up big numbers.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A guy 14th in the league in points?
Who in the hell on the Bills is that good?
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by twoeightnine on Jan 27, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Fred wasn't the only deserving player
Eric Wood would have been worthy of the Pro Bowl if he would have stayed healthy. I also think that Barnett and Byrd could have been selected if the team made the playoffs, and Levitre could have if he had been able to stay at guard all season. Players on losing, small-market teams are less likely to get noticed, even if they played well individually.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
For telling the truth. There were a few guys that would have gotten nods if they had a better record. Byrd, Levetrie, even Dareus. Barnett and Wilson turned in good years for the most part. Buffalo does have some talent on it.
I will say that it proves that we lost our best players this year. It is very hard to win in this league of parity when you have one hand tied behind your back.
Eric Wood would not have made it over Nick Mangold and Maurkice Pouncey even if he played in 16 games and was healthy.
I agree Levitre and Byrd should have been in the conversation but they are five deep at guard and Levitre didn’t get a call.
by MattRichWarren on Jan 27, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I said he would have been worthy of making it to the Pro Bowl, not a lock for it. Maybe with an injury and/or somebody ahead of him making it to the Super Bowl, he could have gone as an alternate. Wasn’t that how Kyle Williams made the Pro Bowl last year?
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes. It’s also how Lynch made it while with the Bills.
by MattRichWarren on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is just further proof that the Pro-Bowl is kind of a joke. Now don’t get me wrong, I want Bills players in the game. But Lynch and McGahee? I didn’t think McGahee really had that great of a season. I could be wrong, but it didn’t seem that, watching him, he was anything that good this year.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
McGahee has never really lived up to expectations of being a game-breaker. Perhaps blowing out his knee in the Orange Bowl is to blame. Right now, he is the beneficiary of a very good running game in Denver. They have been able to plug in a different running back just about every year for the past decade and get him to 1,000 yards rushing.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But he’s been a great back since leaving Buffalo. He was a TD machine in Baltimore. There was severe mismanagement with McGahee and I can’t help but think there was more to his wanting out than the nightlife and dating opportunities.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He probably just wanted a better offensive line in front of him. After a decade of piecing together a patchwork line full of other teams’ rejects, we finally head into a season without gigantic holes on the O-line. Granted, a decision still needs to be made on injury-prone Bell, but at least we already know who the other four starters will be, and we are okay with them.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Telling, is it not? McGahee and Lynch leave and become/remain Pro Bowl backs. Well done, team!
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 27, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions
Telling of what?
We would have had an MVP candidate if Fred Jackson didn’t get hurt. He was on pace for 1,500 yards rushing and 700 yards receiving.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To me, it’s telling that they HAD top-tier players in place and messed it up, having to replace them with new players. They could have built elsewhere if they simply retained Lynch at least. Fred Jackson doesn’t count here because there was no significant investment in him.
"Go check on the ribs!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Jan 27, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
There's more to it than the stats sheet
While he was in Buffalo, he ran over a woman with a car, pled guilty to misdemeanor gun charges (which earned him a three-game suspension, although nothing ever came of his car smelling like marijuana), and was accused of stealing money from the wife of a police officer. His hit-and-run incident would have put any of us common folks behind bars, but because he’s a celebrity, he got off by paying a $100 fine and losing his license. He may have played well on the field, but he was a complete idiot off of it.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could look it up
but can someone refresh my memory as to what we got for the Peters trade? Was it a second round pick? and who did we select?
It ended up being a first (Eric Wood) and a fourth (Shawn Nelson) in 2009, plus a conditional pick in the 2010 draft that ended up being a sixth rounder (Danny Batten).
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well im not totally unhappy with that.
I mean, wasnt he not going to sign in buffalo anyway? We ended up getting a very good interior lineman as opposed to letting him walk and getting nothing. Teams give up talented players all the time; its just that we havnet seen many talented players of this caliber come to buffalo in the past few years, which is why i think it hurts to see him play elsewhere. Also it helps the Bills D looked awesome against that Philly line this year.
The Bills painted themselves into a corner with the Peters situation. He was the only Pro Bowl player on the line, and even though he was making good money for a right tackle ($3m/year), he was badly underpaid as a left tackle. And, thanks to the lucrative/ludicrous contracts they gave Lankston Walker and Derrick Dockery, Peters wasn’t even close to being the best-paid lineman on the team. Once it became obvious that he would hold out for the second straight off-season, they traded him away. At least they got a good return on the investment. Wood looks like the offensive line anchor for the next decade if he can stay healthy.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was always mad we didnt resign
peters and fletcher.
by lets go buffalo on Jan 27, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken
The trade was for a 1st (Wood), a 6th (Batten) and a 3rd. We then traded that 3rd and our other 3rd rounder to move up to the 2nd round and draft Levitre. When you look at it that way, it really wasn’t a bad trade at all.
The Levitre pick came from a trade with Dallas. We traded away our 3rd and 4th round picks to grab another pick in the second round. Neither of the picks they traded came from another trade.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we disregard the infamous #11 pick in that draft, we still came away with Wood, Levitre, and Byrd in the first two rounds. All three of those look like solid players to build around.
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Irritating
Reading the truth is so irritating but it is water over the dam and can’t be reversed. It says a lot about how the franchise was run and why they have the results that they have. To continue to let good players go and to have to replace them instead of continuing to build upon is the reason they haven’t made the playoffs since “99”!
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 27, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions
No problem...
In the meantime, we’ll just keep beating on this dead horse. ;-)
by SiriusRed on Jan 27, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Perfect !
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Rec'd.
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 27, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t cry too hard about losing guys who hold out while under contract. So, the Bills moved Jason Peters from Right Tackle to Left, that doesn’t nullify his contract. He admitted after his holdout that he was not 100% for the start of the 2008(?) season. In other words, his concerns over his paycheck effected his on-field performance. He may be a beast, but I don’t much care for his professionalism.
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