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8 burning subjects - Mind Dump

Subject 1: Stevie Johnson, what should be done?
Clearly Stevie is immature. I also blame Chan here because when it became evident that Stevie was unable to think like a mature football professional, Chan should have given absolute clear instructions to Stevie and all other players for that matter - that any premeditated celebration or message must be cleared by him first, period. I can't believe that Stevie wrote that on his shirt and that nobody saw it while he was getting dressed in the locker room before the game.

I guess the biggest issue is how do we accommodate the players personality and not squash it? I am starting to believe that Stevie needs this type of crap to fuel his engine.. Are we better off with a motivated Stevie that does a bit of crap of with an un-motivated Stevie that doesn't produce as much? Maybe the answer is replacing Stevie with someone else?

I personally don't think that Stevie is a true #1 receiver. I love the guy and have always been in his corner but he drops too many crucial passes. I also think he's too slow to be a true number 1. I do however think that he is so much on the same page as Fitz that we'd be absolutely crazy to let him go. Stevie is a GREAT #2 receiver. We need to bring in a faster #1 guy. I compare Stevie to a guy like Boldin, good possession receiver in short to medium areas with very good YACs.

IMO, we resign him in order to preserve the team chemistry.

Star-divide

Subject 2: Fitzpatrick & the QB situation going forward
What do we have with Fitz? We have a great leader of men, a guy that does not get phased, a guy that isn't afraid to pull the trigger (à la Trentative Edwards...). He's shown that with playmakers around him, he's able to move the ball effectively. I read an article this morning where Phil Simms was saying that the quick passing game with 3-step drops can be blamed for a lot of the inaccuracy down the stretch. The synch between QB/Receiver for those quick plays must be perfect every time and if it isn't - then it's horrible.

I certainly am not a fan of the quick passing game, certainly not as your base offense to open up the running game. I think with runners like Freddy and CJ can be quite effective at opening up some play action passing downfield but in order to do that we need a great Oline, which I don't believe we have - yet.

Given the fact that we had no chance at Luck or RGIII anyways with the impressive start we had to the season, it made sense to resign Fitz. Fitz might be a middle of the road QB but he has the tools to get us into the playoffs and as we are in the rebuilding stage - that's all we should be asking for. We need to build our Defense into a juggernaut and build the pieces around our future QB and then once the pieces are in place then we can make a move for our Franchise QB.

I think Fitz is a great fit during our rebuilding process.

Subject 3: Wannstedt, doe he continue with the 3-4?
I'm really not sure how I feel about Wannstedt yet. I definitely know that I want us to stick with the 3-4 plan and see this thing through. We've drafted too many pieces in the past two years getting much bigger in order to run an efficient 3-4. We are missing some pieces like a great pass rushing OLB, which I think should be the primary focus going into 2012.

I think too many people put too much emphasis on aligning to a standard scheme. How do you think schemes were invented in the first place? I have no problem at all with running an efficient Hybrid, just as long as we have a concerted plan. Every great Offensive and Defensive scheme was invented by crafty coordinators that felt that their personnel did not quite fit the standard, so they invented a new approach. I think the advantage of a guy like Wannstedt is that he's been around long enough and has seen enough to actually be able to do just that, be creative with what he has to work with. The fact that he's bounced around as DC & mainly HC with various DC's that each had their own take might actually benefit us. More so than say a coordinator that has always done things the exact same way for like 25 years, like a Monte Kiffin or a Dick Lebeau. He might be less rigid to a standard and more flexible to finding new creative concepts in order to maximize what we have.

Subject 4: Nix retirement and Whaley promotion
The perfect Storm. I can't believe so many GM openings are currently available, never saw it coming. Clearly, Whaley is our future not a 72 year old Buddy Nix. And Buddy was wise enough to recognize that he needed to put his plan in motion quickly when he first hired Whaley. I think they need to accelerate the plan. They need to promote Doug immediately and Buddy should slide into a executive role similar to what Parcels had in Miami.

Please Ralph, act quickly before it's too late.


Subject 5: No more fabricated pressure, a superstar pass rusher is required
We've been talking about this for way too long. We cannot put all our eggs in the Merriman basket again this year. Addressing the Rush OLB position this off season must be the absolute biggest priority - period.

Successfully fabricating pressure works here and there when used sparingly. But when that all you have, it gets shut down quite quickly and leaves us very vulnerable. There is no substitute for having a STUD rusher, nothing at all. Forcing teams to double team one guy and have to slide protections over, helps us dictate tone. It makes every other player that much better. There is no doubt at all that this IS OUR BIGGEST NEED IN 2012 !!

Subject 6: The State of our Oline
As I alluded to in the 2nd subject about our QB situation, I do not think our Olin is as good as most seem to want to believe. I believe that our line is actually quite mediocre and lacks depth. Why do you think Chan Gailey went to the quick passing game in order to open up the run? Does anyone around here think that Freddy is not a top tier running back? CJ Spiller has also proved in recent weeks that has the potential to be a great runner as well - so why do we need to pass the ball in order for these great runners to be successful? Because our line is weak, that's why.

Of course it did not help to have such a revolving door this year along the line. The fact that Gailey made Andy play just about every position on the line is proof enough that even he doesn't think our line is that good.

We need a franchise LT, Hairston is still far away. He and D.Bell provide great depth but neither is even close to being in the same league as the top 5 LTs in the league. We've adopted a quick passing game because of this major weakness. By quickly getting the ball out of Fitz's hands our Line doesn't need to hold quite as long.

Getting a franchise LT would enable us to leave him out on an island against the top rusher, essentially taking that huge advantage away. We would not need to keep that extra guy back there on the deeper drops, the plays that take a bit longer to develop. Those are often the home run plays. A franchise LT would greatly improve our running game as well as our deeper passing game.

Subject 7: Free Agency, will we be more active?
I hope we are more active in FA this year. Here are the key positions that I view could and should be addressed in Free Agency:

QB2: I'd love to see the Bills try to pickup Jason Campbell
WR1/WR2: I think we need to resign Stevie as an above average WR2 and then try to get a guy like Vincent Jackson as our top dog (WR1). I hope that the Nix/Merriman connection helps us land this guy. No disrespect to David Nelson or Roosevelt or Smith or Hagan but where were they when we went on our 7 game losing streak? Jackson/Johnson would be a very formidable duo and then you let guys like Easley and Clowney compete to back them up and then guys like Nelson/Roosevelt/Parrish compete for the slot role.
OLB/DE: I would love to see us pursue a guy like Cliff Avril in the off season. I think Cliff at 6'3" 260lbs could easily transition to rush OLB. He could be our missing piece. I seriously doubt that Detroit would let him hit FA or that he'd want to leave Detroit for Buffalo but it's worth a mention nonetheless. If he actually gets to test free agency, I sure hope Buffalo makes him an offer that he can't refuse!
Another guy I'd be interested in taking a flyer on would be Derrick Harvey. He's been basically a bust in both his two first stops (Jax & Denver). I think this guy could probably benefit from a move from DE to OLB and under the tutelage of one of the best LB coaches he could actually maybe blossom in our hybrid 3-4.


Subject 8: BPA is the only way to go in the draft
QB Position: I strongly believe that there is going to be a frenzy this year in order to pickup one of the top two guys, which will probably help a third guy go higher than he should. There are at least 4-5 teams that desperately need a QB ahead of us so the chances of us getting our hands on RGIII are practically nil. I believe that (3) QBs will be chosen in the first 9 picks.

OT Position: Reiff or Martin are two top ten tackles and there is a very strong chance that either one could fall to us this year and if so, we should jump on the opportunity to finally get our franchise LT.

CB Position: Claiborne or Kirkpatrick are the two top corners this year both definitely top 10 quality players and one of them could easily be available for us at #10

There is no way Blackmon is getting out of the top 5 this year, which is too bad cause he would have looked great in a Bills uniform!

I'm not a huge Coples fan, I think he's best suited for a pure 4-3 not a hybrid like ours. Plus he did not play with a lot of heart in his Bowl game, which really turned me off on him.

Depending on how he plays in his bowl game, I could see us reaching a few spots for Courtney Upshaw. He could be the missing piece at OLB.

The great news here is that if my projections are accurate there should be 3 QBS, 1-2 OTs, 1-2 CBs, 1 wR, 1-2 DE/DT & possibly even 1 RB gone in the first 9 picks. IMO the highest likelihood is that either Martin or Reiff will be available at #10 and I would be thrilled to get either one of them. Next on the list would be one of the two Corners, which again would be instant starters and would greatly help our team.


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There you have it fellow Rumblers, my first mind dump of 2012 !

Let me know what you're thoughts are on those subjects!

Here's looking forward to the 2012 season!

Go BILLS !

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Clearly Stevie is an immature moron

Sorry, I see you put alot of effort into this post, but I stopped reading at the above line.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been in this guys camp for a long time and it kills me to see him continue to be so immature. He’s a grown man with a family to support and his immature ways are costing him, his team, his family and his fans. I hate to call him out like that but it’s true, he’s a moron.

He had everything going for him. The fans loved him. The city of buffalo embraced him and loved him. His QB loves him. He was in line for a big pay raise. He knew he was under the microscope and yet he still decided to take a very dumb chance on something that blew up in his face. He’s a great kid, great nature and he really seems like a fun guy but how could he not think that this was a risky thing to do when all eyes were on him? He did it to himself for absolutely no good reason at all.

He risked a lot for a stupid like thing, how is that smart? Unfortunately I felt that I had to call him out. A lot of fans are now saying that he should just be let go, how on earth was writing happy new years worth all that downfall? Does’t sound too smart to me..

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a immature mistake and it did cost him some PR and possibly some cash, but I think SJ has a creative mind and brings a great attitude to his job.

He needs to handle the “celebrations issue” so it doesn’t affect him or his team next season, and that team better be the Buffalo Bills.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. I really want him back as well. And I also agree that he seems quite motivated by his free-spririt ways and if we try to completely eliminate it, we’ll probably be killing what makes him special in the first place.. Anyhow, I hope it works out.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate the free-spirit, creative type, but to suggest that the coach telling him to knock off the celebrations that cost the team is going to cramp his creativity, he’s not really that creative of a person.

Call it like it is: those celebrations are about ego plain and simple. Its about getting himself on ESPN. I’m fine with that. That’s part of his diva personality and comes with the package. Hey, it sells jerseys and gets him props from peers and fans. I just wish he’d put more effort into making the highlight reels with more great clutch catches.

All that said:

7.5 Mil./yr = reasonable.

Ralph and co. need to lock him up.

I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Jan 7, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I just wish he’d put more effort into making the highlight reels with more great clutch catches.

Absolutely !

The biggest knock I have on Stevie is that he makes crucial drops when we need him the most. He should spend more time concentrating on the task at hand instead of planning his celebration moves and smile for the camera. It’s about being the best receiver Stevie, recognition & fame will automatically come just by becoming the best at your craft – nobody really cares about the clowning around that you do!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO the highest likelihood is that either Martin or Reiff will be available at #10 and I would be thrilled to get either one of them. Next on the list would be one of the two Corners, which again would be instant starters and would greatly help our team.

This is what I hope happens. Any of those 4 players would make me very happy. If they decide to go QB I wouldn’t be mad. I do not want to see them reach for a mid-1st round talent at #10. I don’t see us picking this high again in a while and you have to go BPA here, IMO.

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

But other than Luck and RGIII there are no other QBs worthy of a top 10 pick

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not want to see them reach for a mid-1st round talent at #10.

The thing about this, in my opinion, is that if they feel a QB is going to be a good QB then it’s not a “reach.”

If they felt Christian Ponder was going to be a superstar QB, I wouldn’t care if they took him with the 3rd overall pick, even if people said he was going to fall to the 2nd. If a QB is a franchise QB you take him the first shot you can, wherever you are in the draft.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 5, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not BPA at all

Reaching for a position of need is the complete opposite. There is a reason why a guy slides down the charts, normally it’s because fewer people agree with the potential. If very few experts can agree that a guy has potential to become a franchise QB then why on earth would we reach for him at #10? Do we have that much evidence that our GM and his scouting staff are that good at evaluating talent?

Rebuilding teams need to draft the absolute best player available – regardless of needs. It’s the only way to draft superstars IMO. And we are a superstar deprived team, we need as much big talent as we can get

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a reason why a guy slides down the charts, normally it’s because fewer people agree with the potential.

I’m not looking for groupthink among GMs. If our GM/HC feel a QB is worth it, they should take him when they can. Good QBs slide in the draft because FOs wrongly project how they will be as professionals. If our FO feels that everyone else is wrongly projecting a prospect, and they feel the prospect is franchise/HOF worthy, they should take him and not gamble valuewise.

Just an example, but if they feel Russell Wilson is going to be the next Tom Brady they should take him at 10, regardless of other FOs feelings on him.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

By your definition there is no such thing as a reach so i guess there’s no sense arguing about it.

For the record, I don’t agree at all.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

By your definition there is no such thing as a reach

Never said that. If the GM/HC pick someone they think is the next Tom Brady, and they are wrong, it’s a reach.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot to mention -

If a FO thinks that the QB is franchise material he instantly becomes BPA.

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

I think the working theory is like this:

There are no reaches at QB, only failed picks.

by lord gloom on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

Short and sweet, sir.

Alll Things Considered Bill's Franchise Is Consistent:)

by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I Agree

If the think that they found their Franchise QB then pick him. That is why I said I would not be mad if they selected a QB.

I really do not want to see them reach for a DE or LB because of need.

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get your logic about the OL

Least allowed sacks in the NFL, we avg 4.9 yards per rush. These #‘s don’t just happen, we have a pretty good offensive line. If Bell can stay healthy he can be really good, and hopefully Hairston keeps developoing.

You are now Watching The Throne.

by tomcs on Jan 5, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

Have you seen anything deeper than a 3 step drop? We spread the field horizontally because we can’t wait for the vertical routes to develop. Our line looks decent because of the short passing attack. We should be able to pound the ball no matter what but we can’t, we need to spread out opposing defenses in order to give our linemen a chance.

I’m not a big D.Bell fan. He looked horrible before Chan benched him then he looked a bit better. But he also remains quite a fragile LT as he’s always injured. He is by no means a top 10 LT and that’s what we could draft this year, so I am all for getting ourselves a big improvement on the Blind side.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No question that:

Reiff-Pears-Hairston > Bell-Pears-Hairston….

….but if Bell stays healthy and we can re-sign him at a good value price, then maybe drafting OL with #10 isn’t the best use of said pick.

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If one of those two LT’s slip to us at #10, they are in my opinion the BPA

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe BPA

But we have more pressing needs than OT.

You are now Watching The Throne.

by tomcs on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

By definition drafting BPA doesn’t really have anything to do with pressing needs, right?

You’re allowed to disagree with the BPA approach.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't try to change our identity

We waited years, years for our offense to e efffective and we finally got it and now you want to change it?

There is nothing wrong with quick throws to open WR, absolutley nothing. If we had a TE that could run a seam route it would help us even more. Have you watched the Pats. I would argue that for the last decade the pats have had the most efficient offense in all of football, wouldn’t you agree? and what do they do. spread you out and dip and dunk you until you bring a safety up then boom, over the top they kill you and Chan did this, this year. Jets game remember Brad Smith down the sideline perfect example. Please don’t ask for a change in our offense, change the Personnel sure but not the offense that actually showed it can put up numbers with any team in the NFL!

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 6, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

My only problem with Chan's approach...

I’m not a big fan of the quick passing game. I love power running to setup the pass. It’s not so much that I dislike the quick passing game, even I can acknowledge that we had success with it and other teams like the Pats & GB are very successfull with the quick passing game. My problem with using it to setup the run is that when it’s not working we seem to completely abandon the run, which often seems to be working. Case in point, the final game in NE, the home game against Miami, and i could go on.

I guess my problem is with the concept of using the quick passing to setup the running, Chan needs to be able to run the football whenever he wants, regardless of the quick passing success.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Running the footbal

But who you choose to run the football against in another story completley.

I would argue, we should have run the ball alot more against Dallas but the score clearly amde us change our hand.

Not running against Miami has alot to do with their defense more then our offense to be honest the have an amazing front 7. Wake, Oldirck, The Hawian DT, Starks, Burnett, Dansby. they have a very very good defense and it’s coached very well too. Miami turned it around because of Bush and their defense.

I thought we used the run quite well against the Pats this year, until we got down but again score changing game plan. we used the run very effectivley in all our wins, i didn’t get a chance to see the Chargers game but we got behind real quick in that ball game so i would think we abondoned the run again because of score.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they abandonned the run way too fast against Miami. CJ was having a great game, they was no need to stop feeding him the ball.

I would argue that against the Pats, when they came back – we should have continued to pound the ball and chew the clock more. Again CJ was having a great game and using the run game to control the tempo is far better than 3 &outs and letting Brady continue to put us in a bigger hole.

Chan seems to react to quickly and abandon certain pieces of the plan too quickly. I am a firm believer in power running as the best way to control opposing high powered offenses. If you can effectively reduce the amount of possessions that Brady has and you are successful at capitalizing the turnover opportunities when they present themselves, you can beat them. Don’t try to beat them in a shootout, Brady will beat us every time!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

As much as you and I might not like it

We are going to be a shootout football team until our defense proves they are capable of making a few stops here and there. We can’t grind out possessions because most of the time we are fighting from behind. This is 1/2 the issue.

Perfect example, was game 17 of the regualr season. We cam out scored first possesion a nice long methodical possession, we got a 3 and out, we got the ball back and again we had a nice long balanced methodical possession. We got another stop and again we were balanced. Then the Pats started scoring, stealing our momentum, Chan wants to hit them right back in the chin our next possession but NE D is playing with a bit more edge, so Chan out thinks himself and we have a 3 and out.

As much as you and I don’t like it, we are not going to go into any stadium or even in our own stadium and run the ball up and down the field, our team is not built that way, and to be honest never has been. Chan figured alot of stuff out this year, alot of it I liked. He has this team moving forward. I think and I’m being completly honest here we are the best team in the NFL at running out of shot gun. We make that happen because we force the other teams hand.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Chan wants to hit them right back in the chin

That my point! He is too impatient. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a slow methodical “on the ground” series to keep Brady off the field longer. They were gaining momentum, lets drag out a long pounding drive and hopefully squash their momentum. Instead Chan thinks we are just as explosive as the Brady-led offense and that we can out-shoot them at the OK corral. What happenned? 3 & out, Brady runs back on and puts it right to us! Within two series our ship was sinking…

I don’t agree that we can’t run the ball up and down. I think Freddy & CJ have the potential to be the best 1-2 punch in the league. We need a great O-Line that can dominate opposing fronts and impose their will. The best defense against guys like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees & Tom Brady are strong grind-it-out, running games. If you have an elite QB, then sure go for the shoot-out but when you have a middle-of-the-pack guy like we do, you must be more careful in your game planning and plan to keep the opposing superstar QB off the field.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and hopefully Hairston keeps developoing

Born: April 26, 1989
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HairCh00.htm

He’ll only be 23 next season !!

by PineWoodsBillsFan on Jan 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Too old.

Off with his head!

Da'Jon McKnight - WR (Minnesota) - 6'3'' 211Lbs. (5th Round)

1st Round Targets: Courtney Upshaw 3-4 OLB, Alshon Jeffery WR, David DeCastro OG, Justin Blackmon WR, Ryan Tannehill QB, Sam Montgomery 3-4 OLB
2nd Round Targets: Jared Crick (3-4DE & 4-3LDE), Melvin Ingram 3-4OLB, Kirk Cousins QB

by NordicBillsfan on Jan 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

tks

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Subject 8: BPA is the only way to go in the draft

ill rec just because of this. bills are picking 10th. they should be aiming for a perennial pro bowl caliber player. they should not move 10 spots down their board to take a 6 sack/year guy

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Jan 5, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Exactly!!

Sorry, was trying to REC and I think i must have clicked on Flag by error.. Sorry dude!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY !!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Are you "high-fiving" yourself here?

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like it, I know.

I shouldn’t drink & blog, it impairs my keystrokes!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Cyber-bust.

Ron Paul 2012

by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why U hating on Stevie????

The kid wrote Happy New Year on his shirt and got screwed by the officials…Patriot officials by the way….and by his coach who overreacted. And you know who else was a “slow” WR…..Jerry Rice….I will take that kind of slow WR any day and twice on Sunday. Stevie is a true #1 WR, but he might not be elite….then again, he isn’t asking for elite money so OBD should quit with the drama and give him the money.

Subject 2 – Fitz is our Sanchez. Depending on who shows up, you have a chance to win any game as long as the rest of the team shows up too. Fitz can’t carry his team like a Brees or Brady does. If your goal is an outside chance at a wild card spot, Fitz is good enough. Want to be in the playoff every year….forget about it with Fitz. Fitz may be the best we can do right now, but that should not be stopping CHIX from aggressively trying to get a franchise QB now…..they will have had 3 freaking years!!! CHIX are lucky the Bills tanked it this year….we should be picking in the 15-20 range. At pick 10, we are still within striking distance of a franchise QB. Do whatever it takes to get one…your time is up. Screw it up this year and we won’t be bad enough to get a franchise QB next year. If CHIX passes on a QB for the 3rd straight year and Fitz costs us a chance at the playoffs next year, I’m going to lay the blame completely on CHIX and start calling for them to be fired.

Subject 3 – 5 – I feel good about DW and agree about the 3-4 hybrid being an advantage. Why people want to complain about this move is beyond me. DW will not be the reason our defense stinks next year…it will be because CHIX didn’t get him an OLB and a shut down corner. And Yes, promote Whaley now…..granted he won’t amuse us with the Southern shuck n jive, but it is getting old anyway. OLB should be our biggest need, but it isn’t because we don’t have a franchise QB ….that always trumps every other need.

Subject 6 – If you want to use our #1 pick on an OLB, then where are we getting a franchise LT? This draft is not deep at the LT position.

Subject 7 – Hahahhahhahahahhaahahahahhahaahahahaaaaaa…….the Bills active in FA …..hahhhahahahahahahah ahahahaahahhahaahahaahahhhhaa…thanks for the laugh. And to be fair it isn’t all CHIX fault. I am sure they will target some second tier guys like they always do because top tier guys are NEVER going to sign with this team until we prove we can compete with the big boys on a regular basis.

Subject 8 – BPA …. whatever ….. If it isn’t a QB, I really don’t care because nobody on this team can’t be upgraded. I hope they take difficultly of finding a franchise player at a position into account.

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by Joe P. on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

You know I love Stevie man, I’ve been in his corner since we drafted him. And for the record I really don’t care about what he did. What I care about is the fact that he knew that his coach was going to bench him on the next infraction and he went ahead and did it anyways. Don’t give me that bull crap that it was because it was in NE. He knew perfectly well when he was writing it down that it drew a fine last year so obviously it’s frowned upon by the league so just that alone should have been cause for pause… I personally don’t care if we get fined once an a while if it means a very dynamic and motivated Stevie but when the boss gives you clear instructions it should have made him think before doing it. I compared him to Boldin, not so bad…

As for the QB situation, unless it’s to go get Luck which I doubt is a viable option then I’m not sure it’s worth paying such a high price for such a high risk on other guys that probably won’t pan out better than Fitz. Fitz ranks 15-18 somewhere in there, so i understand the need we eventually have to replace him with a real franchise guy that can carry the team but we can’t force it. Building the defence into a juggernaut is not a bad thing to do while we wait patiently for our opportunity to get our guy. Last year you wanted Kapp, did he pan out? Not saying that he eventually won’t pan out into something good but for now he’s not even on the radar screen. Build the defense and maybe an opportunity like a Matt Flynn will present itself in a few years or maybe we trade a decent player with a bottom dwelling team to get their 1st rounder pick. There are many ways that it can happen, I’m just saying that shooting at anything that moves is not going to reap any benefits other than waste top round picks.

I want a franchise QB just as much as you do but i also want a very strong Defense and a great Oline, great backs and great receivers and I am willing to accept that I need to be patient about it.

For the record, I don’t expect anything special in FA while Ralph is our owner.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get this at all
when he was writing it down that it drew a fine last year so obviously it’s frowned upon by the league so just that alone should have been cause for pause

Chan didn’t say he would bench him for getting a fine. Who cares if the NFL fines him….it is his money…..fine him all you want, but until they start suspending or consistently penalizing guys for writing on their shirts then why should be care? The problem was the officials….they decided to be pricks about it……Happy New Year….OMG….hide your babies and call the cops!!!!! And what about all the TD dancing in the endzone? They need to clarify these rules in a hurry.

Last year you wanted Kapp, did he pan out?

Kaep wasn’t a finished product yet. He needed at least a year to sit and learn. I would still give up our 2nd round pick to trade for him, but I bet SF would laugh at us.

Let’s be honest, CHIX are never going to get us a franchise QB via FAgency. They are going to have to draft one. If they blow their chance at getting one in the first round this year, we are going to have to hope a developmental project pans out…..we both know the odds are against that happening.

"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu

by Joe P. on Jan 5, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I definitely agree that they need to clarify those rules. I’m not sure you understand my point here: I’m saying that Stevie wants to come back, he knows the coach does not want another penalty for excessive celebrations, he knbows he needs to keep his nose clean for one last game – do you honestly think that he didn’t even have a second of hesitation while he was writing it? My point was that if they fine it, it means they don’t like it and want it to stop so it’s only a question of time before they start calling it, no? I can’t believe Stevie didn’t even give the possibility one thought. And if he did, which I’m sure he did, he decided to take that chance anyways – which is a ton worse. So either he’s a complete idiot for not even thinking twice about it and if he did and still did it it’s even worse, it means he doesn’t care if he penalizes his team or he maybe thought that the coach wasn’t serious with his threat but either way … None of those three possibilities are very good.

Now i’m going to stop b!tching about this because I still like Stevie and want him to be resigned, doesn’t mean i don’t think that he was dumb to do what he did.

Other than Luck and RGIII i am not enamored by any other quarterback, I would not waste our #10 on anybody else. I would be willing to trade up for Luck (Like a ton of picks) but I know that won’t happen. I’d be willing to trade up far less for RGIII but i’d still be willing to pull the trigger on a trade up but again i don’t see it happening. I would not want Ryan Tannehill at #10 – period. In the end I would not be willing to pull a Ditka for Luck and I believe that it what it would take to get him

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by keysh67 on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

“Clearly Stevie is an immature moron.”

I disagree with your first sentence under Subject 1.

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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

And think BPA at our pick should/will be a qb. Nice post. Also agree with assessment of O/L. Can’t seem to avoid excessive injuries on this franchise or god forgive I’m a homer!

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by buffalobacker on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

Chan should have given absolute clear instructions to Stevie and all other players for that matter – that any premeditated celebration or message must be cleared by him first, period.

Dude, Chan Gailey is a head coach in the National Football League. He sleeps, like, two hours a day. Do you honestly believe he has the time to carefully consider each of his players’ potential touchdown celebrations? C’mon, man.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

I said all players just not to single out Stevie. In fact there only one guy on our squad that feels the need to do it. Chan could easily tell Stevie, just come see me before doing something we might both regret.

Brian, do you honestly think that Stevie got dressed with that writing on his shirt without anyone noticing? Do you think that nobody sort of warned him before hand that it might draw a flag? 45 men dressing at the same time and nobody says boo about it? Stevie chose to take the risk and got nailed for it, pure and simple. Why he chooses to take those unnecessary risks is the problem here, especially when he gets an official warning from his coach first.

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

OK:

1.) Stevie is a #1 no doubt about it, he stared Revis in the face and lit him up, The Kid has shown an ability to get open regardless of the situation. stevie deserves a raise, a big one and to be honest i think Chan benching him is good for Stevie, it’s good for a young football team and it’s the best for all parties involved moving forward.

2.) We got Fitzy, we all need to get used to that, your not going to sign a guy to a big extension and then release himor bring someone in to replace him. our QB position is set right now with Fitzy and Thig. All bills fans need to learn to love it cause it’s not going to change. I am in total agreeance with you in terms of him being a good but not elite QB, He’s a perfect fit for Chan who has shown a unique ability to make his signal callers appear much better then they actually are!

3.) I’m not against the Wanny hiring, I am against the way they went about it, at least interview other candidates, thats all I’m saying. I think Wanny has to at least keep some 3-4 in his playbook, I have said it numerous times, to be a successful defense in this league you need an outstanding Nickel package and thats neithe 3-4 or 4-3 it’s Nickel and until we can put out a respectful Nickel package our Defense will always be mediocre at best. You have to be able to blits, stop the run and the pass all with Nickel.

4.) Totally agree, and this was the best part about the entire post. Nix knew what he was doing when he hired Whaley and for that I think Whaley will be respectful knowing this is going to be his gig very shortly.

5.) fabricated pressure is the best kind! If you can confuse an oline you’ve hit the nail right on the head. Green bay is masterful at this. George Edwards couldn’t design a blitz that put pressure on a pop warner football team and that eventually was his demise.

6.) Our oline was one of the best in the NFL this year in terms of numbers and it sustained among the most i njuries in the NFL, just keep adding depth thats all we need to do and I think Buddy has done a great job with the likes of Urbik, Pears, Hairston, Rhinehart, Brown. Just keep doing what your doing Buddy!

7.) BPA is not an option. We have 3 GLARING!!!!! weaknesses on this football team, GLARING! 1. A Pass Rush (more specifally athletes at OLB) 2. WR 3. CB We need to draft the majority of our team on defense agin this year. Our best player on our defense is our FS and he proved him self this year and if you look at our D in tears it has a good foundation 2 great if not amazing DL (Williams and Dareus) 1 Great LB (Barnett) and 1 Great person in the secondary (Byrd). What are we missing A true cover corner and a Pass rushing OLB. It’s as easy as that.

8.) FA hmmmmmm well you and I and apparently “Joe P” (JK Joe P) know how Buffalo works, no Big names right.
Well heres a few names:
OLB – D’Qwell Jackson – Absolute PERFECT fit
WR – Mario Manningham
CB – Tracey Porter
CB – Aaron Ross

Good solid football players who’s names won’t blow anyone out of the water

Good post Key, Good Post really braught some issues to the forefront and I loved the Nix/Whaley comment Loved it!

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by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

1.) Stevie is a #1 no doubt about it, he stared Revis in the face and lit him up, The Kid has shown an ability to get open regardless of the situation. stevie deserves a raise, a big one and to be honest i think Chan benching him is good for Stevie, it’s good for a young football team and it’s the best for all parties involved moving forward.

Agreed. I know that I said he wasn’t a true #1 but I also compared him to Boldin right? What meant was that, like Boldin, he can’t do it by himself – he needs another #1 on the team to complement his skill set. He cannot carry the team like a Megatron or an Andre Johnson, he needs another strong WR on the other side to really make this work. Let’s pay him the money but lets also go get another top notch guy

What I meant about the fabricated pressure is that we NEED to get a top notch guy that can command double teams on his own without the need of fabricating the pressure. Then once you have a great defense without it – Watch out when you start creating/fabricating pressure situations they are lethal. We don’t have anyone scary off the edge so all we have is fabrication. We do a lousy job at it and at some point it plays against us because it becomes obvious and teams exploit the weak spot that it creates. I want the Front Office to go get a top pass rusher in FA as well as in the draft.

I firmly believe that Chan’s quick passing system is the main reason for the low sacks and not a complete indication of our line’s capabilities. Both “glassman” d.bell as well hairston are decent backups but they are from from being elite LTs. If one of those 2 LTs is available to us at #10 we should jump on the chance!

I could not agree with you more, I am a huge fan our Byrd – He is our best player on D !!
I agree with the needs – no question about it. I just firmly believe that in the long run, especially for a rebuilding team, drafting the BPA approach will ensure better players over the long haul. The two only positions that might yield a BPA are CB & LT IMO and I don’t think there’s an OLB worth the 10th pick. Of course if Courtney has a big game then maybe i’m wrong… Actually Courtney projects as a 14-18 as it stands so maybe he wouldn’t be that much of a stretch.. What ever the FO decides will be fine by me because I trust that NIX drafts based on BPA.

I love D’quell Jackson but he’s only 6’0" 240lbs and Chan refuses to play Moats at OLB claiming that at 6’2" 249lbs that he’s too small. I completely disagree with Chan here but given the position he took on Moats, I doubt he pursues Jackson. What p!sses me off about Chan’s opinion here is that Harrison is 6’0" and Woodley is 6’2" – and nobody runs a better 3-4 than the Steelers! Then Gailey puts Spencer J. at OLB (What the heck were you thinking Chan?). The guy I’d really like them to pursue is Cliff Avril.

I don’t like Manningham, he’s too inconsistent.

I like Aaron Ross but Tracy Porter is too small and already shows signs of being injury prone plus he’s a liability in the run game. My preffered target at CB would be Finnegan, one tough b#st#rd!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Key we could go back and forth all day Brother hahaha
What I meant about the fabricated pressure is that we NEED to get a top notch guy that can command double teams on his own without the need of fabricating the pressure. Then once you have a great defense without it – Watch out when you start creating/fabricating pressure situations they are lethal. We don’t have anyone scary off the edge so all we have is fabrication.

We have both. Double Teams commanded by Marcell Dareus. Do not forget about Kyle Williams who has shown he can be a dominant pass rusher. We do need outside pass rushers, but up the Gut we are as strong as any team in the NFL.

Moats is like “5’8”. i don’t know where there getting 6’2 from, thats a complete fabrication.

I think Stevie showed that he has to be doubled to be shut down, when teams do that we have to burn them where that double team is coming from, and alot of that has to do with personnel, I agree. as much as I hate to say it, the Jets got it right by signing Plaxico, he was a end zone threat and thats what we are truly missing, That fade route guy. a bonafide #2 if you get my drift.

Manningham would give us that guy @ #2. He is a perfect #2, not good enough to be #1 but definatley good enough to be #2 with Nelson in the slot and maybe even Easley is the answer outside at #2 but until he shows the FO that he can stay healthy they have to pursue other options.

D’qwell Jackson is the strongest man in the world if he is only 240, i have seen numerous times throw around OL and man like I said if he s only 240 he is the strongest man in the NFL. hahahahaha

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by PaullyPforPrez on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Not quite sure where you are getting this? He’s 6’2" everywhere you look. I think Chan Gailey is being ridiculous when he claims that he’s too short. Obviously a 6’4" man would be preferable but when we have good solid talent in a 6’2" body, let’s use it!! I certainly don’t think that Woodley/Harrison are too short? The seem to get the job done!! One would even argue that low man wins, so when the guy is rushing the passer and going up against a 6’5" OT, the lower guy has a leverage advantage
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by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Moats is 6 feet and 1/4 inches. That he’s 5’8’’ is hyperbole stacked on top of hyperbole.

What makes the six feet totally inconsequential is that he’s got the arm length of a 6’3’’ or 6’4’’ athlete.

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2010-scouting-combine-results-defensive-ends/140/

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by kaisertown on Jan 6, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

how does every single site give him 6’2" ? Is the NFL wrong and all the other sites take it from the NFL ?

Regardless, he’s a good pass rusher and should be playing at OLB – Chan is wrong!

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by keysh67 on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills list him at 6’2’’ and all the sites go off that.

His height really is irrelevant though. The only reason that anybody brings up height for defensive or offensive lineman is because it’s usually indicative of arm length. And arm length is the real advantage, because if you’ve got the longer arms than it’s easier for you to reach out and grab a jersey or punch a guy in the chest than it is for the blocker/defender to do the same. Moats has the long arms of a stereotypical pass rusher and I agree that the Bills should be playing him at OLB.

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by kaisertown on Jan 7, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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