Buffalo Bills GM Buddy Nix Approval Poll: February 2012
by Brian Galliford on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 AM EST
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PrintAt or near the start of every month, we're going to poll the readers of Buffalo Rumblings on their state of mind regarding the chief decision-makers of the Buffalo Bills. This is your poll to state your pleasure, or lack thereof, with GM Buddy Nix. Here are some stories Nix has been heavily involved with over the last month.
- Told reporters that the team plans on trying to re-sign receiver Stevie Johnson, noting that the sides had discussed a deal since the end of the season. That report was refuted by Johnson's agent, and a new report indicates that no progress has been made.
- Confirmed plans to extend Fred Jackson's contract, but cautioned that it's a lower priority, targeting prior to the 2012 season as a goal.
- Was non-committal about defensive scheme in early January, noting that the team's biggest issue was its need for a pass rush, regardless of alignment. (The team has since switched back to the 4-3.)
- Re-signed long snapper Garrison Sanborn to a three-year, $3.21 million deal with a $530,000 signing bonus.
- Signed seven players to reserve/future deals, including five players on the practice squad and two street free agents: receiver David Clowney and linebacker Scott McKillop.
- Flatly denied rumors that he's planning on retiring following the 2012 NFL Draft. CEO Russ Brandon provided a similar sentiment.
Previous Five Approval Polls
66% approval September 2011 (15% disapproval; 2,713 votes)
79% approval October 2011 (7% disapproval; 1,886 votes)
89% approval November 2011 (2% disapproval; 2,285 votes)
55% approval December 2011 (24% disapproval; 1,638 votes)
51% approval January 2012 (27% disapproval; 2,333 votes)
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He re-signed Sanborn and noted that the Bills haven’t had a pass rush. Good. I voted “Not Sure” but only because it wasn’t a lot to go on. I think the team is better today than when he started.
That’s the only way I felt I could vote, and i’ve been a “disapprove” guy for quite some time now.
"Son. People can see you!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Could it be that the team is better only because it hit bottom so hard it bounced? The Jauronian Era was farcically bad, leaving little room for Nix or anyone else to dig the hole any deeper. Meanwhile, “stacking talent” was code for "converting first Rounders to – at best – later round picks, lavish contracts have been doled out to guys who couldn’t start on good teams, and good players aren’t being locked up for the long term. How many teams would have escorted a GM candidate out of the building if he said he’d use his first ever draft pick on a RB when the whole team needed overhauling (except the RB group)? I’m convinced that Nix wont build the Bills into a consistent contender…..one off Cinderella story maybe, but I’m no fan of fairy tales.
I wasn't sure I was going to like the white helmets but seeing them in the practice footage, I've got to say that I love the look.
by Ron From NM on Feb 1, 2012 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for...
Could it be that the team is better only because it hit bottom so hard it bounced?
CHIX have made a few good moves and more than a few bad moves over the past 2 years. While I disagree with the fire sale of some of the only talented players we had and their efforts in the 2010 draft, the 2011 draft looks solid. How they handle free agency and this year’s draft will make or break CHIX. I still hold out the slimmest thread of hope that they can get this team back to being a contender.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
The team is better today
Then 2 years ago. I won’t change my mind until free agency starts. I won’t draw any conclusions until after the draft. Even if he lets Stevie walk, I won’t say anything. For all I know, he plans to get both Bowe and VJax here. I won’t judge until I see what he has for this team in April. Things take time.
This pretty much sums up how I feel. I think that the team that takes the field next season will be vastly superior to the one that took the field to start the 2009 season, the last one prior to the Nix era.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hmm....
13 wins the two seasons before nix came aboard
10 wins since….
How is that better?
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 2, 2012 2:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is Buddy's most important offseason where he can have the biggest impact on the success of the team
I am not talking about who Buffalo drafts yet either. There is a lot of work to be done between our RFA’s and then our UFA’s… before the March free agency period begins.
They need more talent/weapons to help their already younger team develop more and learn to be successful long-term. Ralph has said it in the off-season, Nix has said it. Let’s see if Nix can put action to his words…
Right now he seems to be on the golf course with the only action we’ve heard of in the new year is the Sanborn 3-yr deal.
Get all the golf you can in now Buddy because you need to do your job better than ever in the next few months!!!
Exactly what was he supposed to do?
Talk is cheap. What should he have done? This isn’t Madden. You can’t sign the top FA and you can’t make 30 trades to get 7 number 1 draft picks.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
by suteck on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nick Barnett, not overpaying Poz, putting together a pretty good o-line, and finding solid talent through the draft. He’s not making minor miracles, but he’s done a good job in my eyes.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
Agreed @ hoosier
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Offseason is Stevie Johnson right now
Plain and simple, Nix talked about developing players and keeping them in Buffalo. Its a little too early to start fretting about Johnson leaving right now, but each day he’s getting closer to hitting free agency. Until Nix locks up Johnson, I’m not approving of the job he’s been doing.
by wallsofjeriko13 on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Ditto.
He’ll get a disapproval from me until Stevie is resigned. I would say not sure if I felt confident that was going to happen, but I don’t think it will.
@sawyervanhorn
by Sawyer in Boston on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Actually the offseason
is top tier recievers. If they resign Stevie Johnson great. If not, they better bring in two quality starters, or my vote changes to dis approve.
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That's how I feel
I want them to resign Stevie, for the right price. He isn’t elite. He isn’t a superstar. He doesn’t deserve elite or superstar cash. He is a good WR. He is either a lower tier 1 or a top tier 2. But, if they don’t resign him, I will reserve judgement until I see their back-up plan.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I agree…… that is why i clicked unsure. Totally hinges on resigning Stevie.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 1, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
What if signing Johnson prevented Buffalo from getting in on Mario Williams?
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
Then dump some dead weight
Or guys not producing to their contracts (Brad Smith, Edwards, Pigpen, McGee, Kelsay, etc). Making it a one or the other option is just disregarding some of the poorer contracts currently on the roster. It’d be asinine if they couldn’t sign both because of a lack of money with some of the contracts try have right now.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2012 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can see your point about Stevie
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I don’t get this. You always think we should lock guys up regardless of price? Even if Stevie walks, I care about the sum of his choices and the total impact on the roster, not what happens to one player.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Feb 2, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Not a Nix fan
This was a last place, 6-10 team when Nix took over and it remains a last place, 6-10 team today. In between was another last place season. The 2009 Bills season ended with no franchise QB (or prospect) on the roster, a new defensive coordinator on the horizon, and a change of base defense. That’s exactly how 2011 ends.
The 1-8 finish is the most important factor for me in disapproving. It’s hard to sell trending up when the team regressed so emphatically on the field. This isn’t exactly the 2010 Lions finishing hot, pointing towards better things to come.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Feb 1, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
this is how I feel. Two defense heavy 3-4 slanted drafts and yet another “scheme change”(however you want to put lipstick on it- as in, “it’s no biggie”). The defense is still a bottom dweller. The QB is still a bottom third performer with incurable accuracy problems.
At the moment, this team is still no better than it was 2 years ago, save 1 or 2 players. That’s not good enough.
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
Not sure
I have typically been an approve person, but I am waiting to see if he gets Stevie signed.IMO we need Stevie to get locked up this month, and don’t even let him talk to other teams. These next 2-3 months are going to be huge for Nix, hopefully he can deliver.
SHOW ME THE BABY!!!
Is this your homework, Larry?
I don't like people who Lie
Now I am not accusing Nix of lying, but the reports about Johnson baffle me. Nix seems to be straight up when he talks. I love that about him, but I don’t know if its really the truth. I don’t get the reason to lie to the fan base? It seemed he wanted Stevie back, and then raised questions about Chandler. So initially I thought he was being straight up. However, these reports have me thinking otherwise.
It reminds me of when we had Lynch. They “were” showcasing his abilities for the first 3 games so that they “could” trade him. Gailey denied that by saying he is our best back so he is starting…then a week later he gets traded. THAT was a lie! I don’t get it…I mean, in that circumstance I can get why you wouldn’t tell us maybe, since the season is under way. In respect to Evans, Gailey said something like “we are always evaluating our talent” so that was a give away they wanted to out him.
My point is, just be straight up, I don’t get why you have to beat around the bush. We have been so bad for so long. I don’t get the reason to not be honest. Steve Johnson is one of our best players and actually wants to be in buffalo. Get it done. He proved he is one of the best wide outs, just go ask Revis
Angry
Why is anyone approving Buddy Nix? Why?
We finished 1-8
We have not signed Stevie Johnson nor has there been progress made
We have not signed Fred Jackson nor has there been progress made
We wasted our last two drafts bc we apparently switched to a 3-4 – but now we are switching back to a 4-3 (Why switch in the first place – we never had the personel for it)
This season CLEARLY showed a lack of depth in basically every position minus (RB, DT, and MAYBE QB)
We finished last in the AFC-East again
I look at what the Colts did to rebuild their organization – Jim Irsay is the man. What has Ralph Wilson done? What has Buddy Nix done? Are we better under Buddy Nix the past two years, till today?
IDK anymore guys, i just don’t know……….
by Pablo Escobar on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
for what its worth
i would be angry IF he made progress on freddy’s contract before everything else…. i would be glad if we actually milk freddy out
by statcruncher on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I gave my first disaprove.
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“Why is anyone approving Buddy Nix? Why?”
I have been approving him bc the team is better and I have always seen and believed in the plan.
I believe you make two good points on why Nix should be given a disaprove, but the rest just sounds like piling on.
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“We finished 1-8
We wasted our last two drafts bc we apparently switched to a 3-4 – but now we are switching back to a 4-3 (Why switch in the first place – we never had the personel for it)”
I think these are fair complaints and the later is the reason I voted disaprove for the first time. I do think we are in the right defensive scheem now, but Nix has to take the heat for how we got there.
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“We have not signed Stevie Johnson nor has there been progress made”
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"We have not signed Fred Jackson nor has there been progress made
Name some other top name UFA that have been signed. Are all those GM’s doing a bad job also? My point is it is still early. You cant fault him on that yet.
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“This season CLEARLY showed a lack of depth in basically every position minus (RB, DT, and MAYBE QB)”
I am not saying we dont have some depth issues in a few positions, but when a team looses as many players as we did, they are going to look bad, and no realistic amount of depth would change that. IMO Nix has got to start looking at injuries on his future drafts, and FA’s. To start with we could not sign Parrish and Bell and think about letting McGhee and Merriman go. Nix has only had a hand in one of those players contracts(Merriman), but Parrish, and Bell are up this offseason, and as much as we need a LT at some point we have to quit signing injury prone players. Lets face it even some of our young players have seemed to be injury prone. Wood, Easley, Troup, Sheppard, and Williams, have all been bit by the bug at least one time in there early careers. Other signings like Pears, Rinehart, Barnett, and the previously mentinoed Merriman were all let go by there teams in part due to injuries. Nix has had to take some chances on some of his signings, but until we quit signing injury prone players, this problem will pursist and this is one area that I will be watching for with Nix in the future.
I still think the team is better than when Nix took over, but there has been some mistakes, and this offseason is KEY as another losing record is not acceptable.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
by jbbillfan on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Great post JB
rec’d. they are doing a good job. Not great, but good.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Why is anyone approving Buddy Nix? Why?
Because they are free to have their own opinion.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 1, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
haha I absolutely positively know they have their own opinions and respect them Brian – come on!! haha
by Pablo Escobar on Feb 1, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I look at what the Colts did to rebuild their organization – Jim Irsay is the man
You mean, getting lucky enough to have the first pick, when Manning came out?
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by mob16151 on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rebuilding Process
I know its VERY premature but he cleaned house. He is going to start from scratch. I love the HC hire, i love the offensive coordinator hire – i love what they did with the GM position. He is making all the right moves.
IDK – i’m just a bit frustrated – but i’ll post on it myself later
by Pablo Escobar on Feb 1, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Jim Irsay
Irsay might be the luckiest man on the planet. First of all, he was fortunate to have Bill Polian build the Colts into a perennial contender. Manning over Leaf, Edgerrin (spelling?) James, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, etc. Then, Manning misses an entire season and they stink badly enough to get the best qb prospect since, well, Peyton Manning.
If Manning even plays 1/4 of the season they are in an entirely different situation. He failed (lucky for him) in Caldwell but won’t have to pay the price for it.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
Even in the game of Chess you can still win after making a couple of pour judgment calls …
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Depends
on the level of your competition. One mistake and you could be done. I used to play a game professionally and one mistake is all it takes to give your opponent the opening they need to win.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Approved
After inheriting a team that was in a state utter dishevelment on both sides of the ball he is slowly putting a competitive team back on the field. Hell we all knew or should have known it wasn’t going to be an easy task… The offense is better, the O-line has improved and there is some talent on defense. The defense is missing a bonafide pass rusher that would make all the defenders better…
I do agree this is a very big off season for Buddy and staff, they have to get a contract worked out with Stevie, have another good draft and add more talent through FA…
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Football is like life - it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work, sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority.
Vince Lombardi
It amazes at the votes for Approve that Nix still gets
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
why?
He’s done a good job. This team is in better shape today and is poised to take a shot at the playoffs next year.
ha ha…. if you are a veteran fan, i have to applaud your resiliency just 3 weeks removed from last season
by statcruncher on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
been a fan
since the 70’s. I see things that have me excited. Before injuries, they were 5-2. IF they have another solid draft and can keep guys healthy, with the easy schedule they have, I think they can do some damage.
Being poised to take a shot at the playoffs isn't a good job.
There’s a chance that they might get a chance to make the playoffs, next year! Every team is poised to do that.
Making the playoffs, or I’ll even give you just missing the playoffs this year with a winning record, is a good job.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 1, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
How has he done a good job though?
No franchise QB
Same pass rush issues
Poor run defense
Switching the D scheme again
No WR’s with big play ability or even starting abilities
Similar secondary
Lesser special teams
A bad first draft followed by a solid, yet unspectacular one
Etc etc etc
I hate being curmudgeonly, but what exactly are we looking at here? We’ve got 10 wins in two years with very little hope to improve greatly. The roster is still in flux, we still lack elite and even good talent, we don’t have a Franchise QB, playmakers are missing and the team got much, much worse over this past season. I want to believe, I really want to, but there is not much that Nix has done that I can consider “doing a good job”.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Exactly
Even though there are several examples in recent years of new regimes turning around doormat franchises overnight, I could live with the putrid 10-22 record, the pathetic 2-10 record within the AFC East, the back-track on defense, and the consecutive last place finishes if several of the issues you list above had been corrected. I could see reasons to be optimistic that things are being addressed and better times are ahead. As it stands now, the 2010 draft class does not project to have one starter heading into their 3rd seasons. That’s abysmal and sets this re-build back more than most want to believe it does.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Feb 1, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the 2010 draft class does not project to have one starter heading into their 3rd seasons. That’s abysmal and sets this re-build back more than most want to believe it does.
I really think that’s overstating it. Spiller is certainly starter quality. Troup, Carrington = platoon in a 4-3.
Add in D Nelson (and hopefully Easley) and the 2010 draft wasn’t disastrous. It was Nix’s first as GM. Maybe I’m too soft on the guy, but he was hired mid-cycle and used information gathered by scouts he apparently didn’t think much of.
As for the Spiller pick, which is a rallying point for anti-Nix-ers, it was a safe pick. CJ was seen as a game changer. Lynch was not in the long-term plans of a Gailey/Nix regime due to his behavior ( I actually thought we should have dumped him a year earlier. ) In that light, CJ is a great pick.
As for pass rushers…watch this draft. It’s gonna happen!
And there
You have it…
"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"
According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
who does everyone want as our franchise QB?
There 0 QBs I would rather have than who we drafted. I would take Aaron Williams over Andy Dalton, or Kaepernick. IMO we got the BEST player in that draft Marcell Dareus.
Everyone thinks you can take a team that sucks into the Playoffs in 2 years. You can’t. The 49ers have drafted well the past 5 years. The bills havent. It is not Nix’s fault that the team had turrible drafts (besides Wood, Levitre, Stevie and Byrd). I agree his 1st draft is looking pretty weak at the moment. Maybe this year Troup and Carrington will prove their worth. If you think the 2011 draft was unspectacular then I don’t know what you are expecting. 1 possible future HOF DT, a good CB, a good nickel CB, good ILB, athletic SS, a developing LT, backup ILB, and Michael Jasper.
Look at all of the good players he has brought in. Pears, urbik, Rinehart, Barnett. Look at the smart moves he has made on Donte and Poz. and how the Lee Evans trade has worked out.
The switching defense is not as big as it seems. They played 50% 4 man fronts last year. This actually will make our defense better. marcell and Kyle in the middle will be unstoppable.
They need to draft a QB (Osweiler), they need to address DE(mario williams, Cliff Avril? ha) and WR (resign Stevie, and draft someone in the first 4 rounds). and now sign a SLB. Lets see if they do that. Before we disapprove and say that he needs to go. Spiller is looking pretty good.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
by tomcs on Feb 1, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can’t ask people to give a better option of what should have been done because that’s too much work. It’s much easier to say ‘we aren’t winners yet, so Nix sucks’.
I voted approve mainly for a lot of moves Nix didn’t make. Like drafting Clausen. I am not of the belief this team can simply go out and attract top level talent to come here via free agency. Therefore the only way to rebuild is thru the draft.
I see one of the best OL’s developing under Nix’s watch. I see one of the most dynamic backfields developing under Nix’s watch. I see a WR and QB developing under Nix’s watch. And I see the middle of the defense developing positively under Nix’s watch.
Corner coverage, defensive edge play and secondary recieving threats need improvement. Rome isn’t built overnight. But I believe after this off season we will have talent accumulated at those key positions to advance the remaining weakness of our team in a better direction. And then I will be ready to say
TOLD YA!!
:)
Of course people can say that, if the team isn’t winning, it’s the GM’s fault. It’s his job to make them winners. Preaching patience is one thing, and I agree that two years is not long enough to turn around a decade of bad drafts. HOWEVER, Nix is the one responsible, and he can and should be judged for the product he puts on the field.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Where did I say he shouldnt? Or where did I say people can’t judge him by their record? Re read what I said my friend.
You can’t ask people to give a better option of what should have been done because that’s too much work. It’s much easier to say ‘we aren’t winners yet, so Nix sucks’.
I took that to be sarcasm. If it was, then you are implying, in a hyperbolic way, that instead of simply saying we’re unhappy with the job Nix has done we should pose specific things we would have done better. My point is that we should not have to do that, because he is paid to do a job and if he’s not getting the job done then we have a right to complain. As I said above, if the team isn’t winning, it’s the GM’s fault, regardless of whether or not we have specific better moves in mind.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
by stetzwebs on Feb 2, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I view that as the easy route. But I never said you can’t say that. Of course you can. But can you diagree that it’s the easiest route?
It’s apparent in evaluating any difficult job. It’s easy for example, to say the Pres. stinks because the economy is bad. But when digging further, was the Financial fallout his fault? And this isn’t meant as a political discussion but analogous to the job Nix was facing. Of course I don’t like losing, but Nix faced a ‘fallout’ of his own when taking over this team. And when I dig further than just looking at the record, I like what I see.
If you choose to criticize that’s well within your right. But be prepared to back your claims if so (especially the, ‘Spiller was horrible, even if he was the highest rated player on the board!’).
yes, it’s the easier route. But I don’t come here looking for a challenge. Being a Bills fan is enough of a challenge. And I am prepared to back any claims I make.
For what it’s worth, I haven’t really criticized Nix very much. There were two or three choices I was very not fond of, and I argued them fervently. And when I agree with something he’s done, I argue that as well. My overall point is, as you said, that it’s okay to disagree with his choices, without having to have their own plan to rebuild the team.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
A possible future hall of fame defensive tackle??? I think Dareus is going to be a good player, but lets not get carried away here. Anointing someone a future hall of fame player after one season is a little bit premature.
The reason I say that
is because Bills players have said he can be a future HOF, I posted it in a fanshot. Drayton Florence said it and others.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
i mean, i wouldnt say anything u listed there is untrue, but you are ignoring some of the positive things nix has done as GM
no franchise QB, but he did identify one thats worth hanging onto until he gets a young QB thats to his liking. also to nix’s credit: its not like he passed on several stud QBs in the 2010 and 11 drafts. the only one he passed on thats had any success so far at all is andy dalton. would the bills really be better off with dalton instead of fitz?
i wont go point-for-point. all im saying is that nix hasnt exactly been the waste of space youve made him out to be. stability and quarterback, oline (even if they arent all pros) and dline is already a better foundation than we ever saw in the jauron era. you focused on all the issues he hasnt fixed, and completely ignored some of the things he did fix.
he gets a ‘not sure’ from me even now. with the pathetic roster he inherited i dont see how anyone couldve expected him to have it all remedied after 2 offseasons. theres still issues with the roster, but theres not as many as there was in january 2010
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
You make it sound like they didn't try.
EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? You can’t get free agent talent to come here. All they have is the draft. It takes 2 to trade. So, where have they gone wrong?
Everyone loves to ignore the injuries to our best players. Yeah, we have no depth, because we were a BAD team. Bad teams have no depth. WE lost our STAR players, not just solid guys. Not guys that we could replace. Every team has to worry about that.
As for QB, like it or hate it, Fitz is the man, for now. If he does well this year, get used to seeing him here.
Pass rush they thought was fixed with a healthy Merriman. They gambled and it failed. To say they didn’t address it is not true. They did, but, they also felt that Moats was better then he really is.
Poor run defense is not true. They gave up 40 less yards per game, after all the injuries. That is an improvement. Next year, it will be even better. CHANGE TAKES TIME.
They made Stevie an actual 1B or even full number 1 WR. They made Parrish Viable. But, they did nothing right?
The secondary has a few playmakers in it with Byrd and Wilson. Whitner was a solid player in run defense who sadly couldn’t cover a paper bag. He is gone. They have a potential starting CB in Williams. They have depth in Flo and possibly Leo and even Mcgee at the moment. Of course they need an upgrade. You know what else they need? extra help and health at the pass rush and DT spots.
The first draft was not great, they made a few errors. Modrak paid the price. The second draft was amazing with a potential 5 starters. That is a great draft. next??
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
by suteck on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree, and REC. If you add in the fact there were no OTA’s, no Mini Camps or anything this past off-season, the first draft was stunted by this. And the draft picks from last years draft were litterally raw. Now with an off-season this year, maybe we can see how good the 2010 draft can be, and the 2011 draft should also improve. Give us another great draft this year, we might see some great improvement overall that we all can be encouraged moving into the 2013 draft. A good 2013 draft and we are probably talking playoffs for many years….. hopefully.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
This sums up my feelings
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 2, 2012 2:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can you blame him for not getting a franchise QB when there has not been one available? What QB has been available in the last two drafts at our picks that he could have taken that would not be riding the pine bihind Fitz for the forseable future?
This team has lacked a pass rush for years, but Nix could only improve some of the team each year. They only give you so many draft picks. This year will be pass rushers. If it is not then you have a legitamate point there, but as I said in another post. Nix could not know that Schobel would quit, and that and the lack of Maybin improving hurt the pass rush. Nix did the best he could to bandade fix it with Merriman. This year it will be addresed IMO.
I dont even understand the WR comment. If you dont consider Stevies was it 18 TD? in the last two years “big play” then I dont know what is. Nelson plays a niche role, but it is a role that would get him a job on many teams.
The secondary was not the problem when Nix took over and it is improved from then. Whitner is gone!!!
Lesser special teams has more to do with NFL rule changes then it does Nix.
The O-line is better. WR is better. D-line is better. RB is better, TE is better. It is not saying much but QB and LB’s are better.
There is plenty to look forward to!
The poor run defense is improving.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
I'm not really blaming him for what he hasn't done, per se
Just pointing out that we have so many holes, so many of the same issues and very little improvement during his tenure.
There wasn’t a ton he could do at QB, but the fact remains we still don’t have a franchise QB and that’s on Nix to find. That’s all that matters.
As for pass rush,that’s definitely on Nix. Schobel’s plan to retire leaked in early April 2010 before the draft. No reason for Nix to not know which way he was leaning. He had that draft, 2011 draft, two FA periods and any trade avenues to pursue. He added a major risk in Merriman and claimed we were “set”. you don’t band-aid this extremely important facet of the game. You attack it immediately. Instead Nix chose to try improving the run D first, which in the current NFL is a major mistake to me.
The run D is improving because how could it get any worse? It still stinks and again, that’s what matters most. Not where we were, but currently and for the future. It’s a major question mark to say the least.
As of now, we don’t have any starting caliber WR’s except I guess Nelson for the slot, which is a good role for him. The lack of playmakers at the position is apparent and we need to add multiple players there. Hope Stevie is one of them.
The secondary wasn’t the problem ten, and it’s. It really the problem now. I just think its weaker now than it was with aging vets in McGee and Florence looking most done, a bust in Leo and a couple of guys with good potential in Williams and Rogers, but unproven. As of now, I think CB is weaker, but not by much.
Overall ST’s has been weaker, not just kick returns. The rules haven’t helped, and the loss of Bobby April hurt, so it is what it is. They’re weaker there even if it’s not totally on Nix.
The OL has played much better but I want to see how they perform outside a short passing game and spread attack. LT is still a major question mark and I don’t believe in Hairston there yet. I never thought he had the agility or lower body strength to handle that full-time so we’ll see. Pears has been a nice find off the street, but RG is open now and a question mark. LG and C were fine holdovers. I want them to be much better than they have been, despite good improvement.
RB is better because Nix spent his first pick on a player that wasn’t a need. I think that was poor roster management and I wouldn’t take a RB top 10 unless he was an elite, can’t miss player. But At least the light finally seems to be flickering on for Spiller.
I don’t think WR is better, with or without Stevie. We need playmakers badly!!
As of now, TE isnt any better. We’ll have to hope for Chandler returning, but even then, TE would still be rather average at best. Without big time WR talent, we could probably use more help in the passing game here. Not a major need, but certainly another area that is upgradable.
We have some nice youn players and hope that the 2011 draft amounts to somethig really, really good. But the Bills are still weak all over the rest of the roster with the most improtant positions on the team being some of the weakest. Overall, I don’t see much improvement duriig his tenure and I fail to see a whole lot to look forward to outside of a few players. I think it’s going to be extremely tough for Nix’s regime to win anytime soon. Hope I’m wrong and I hope this is a hugely successful offseason.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2012 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree
You say it was up to him to find us a franchise QB. WHERE??? I mean, jeez, where was he supposed to find one, at the local Walmart? Is Walgreens having a sale on them? Did someone stop at OBD giving one away for the holiday? Where is he supposed to get one? In order to get anything good from someplace else, something of equal or greater value must first be given up. What was he supposed to give up?
I get frustration, but, blindly expecting him to create a miracle when there just isn’t one is hopeless. You want a miracle, hope Fitz plays well next year and is the QB of the next 6 years. then, you’d have your franchise QB.
Idon’t think WR is better, with or without Stevie. We need playmakers badly!!How can I even respond to a statement that is so flawed that i don’t know where to begin. If our WR’s are no better off with or without Stevie, then why pay him all that cash? Please explain that one. You said we are no better off with or without him…
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
If our WR’s are no better off with or without Stevie
that’s not what he said. He said that the WRs under Nix (Stevie, Nelson, Jones, etc..) aren’t any better than the WRs of the last tenure (Evans, TO, kind of Stevie, Reed, etc..)
I do kind of agree with you about the QB though. That’s a tricky one considering how many players were just drafted last year. I do think that Locker and some other guys have that franchise potential, but I won’t argue that Nix should have taken a Locker or Gabbert over Dareus, even if it’s maybe what I would have done. Especially since I would have maybe taken Peterson or AJ Green as well.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
That's not what I said about QB
And that’s not what I said about the WR’s, which was a response to you saying WR is better than when he arrived….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To take the argument in a slightly different way, it’s not that the team is better or worse now than they were before. It’s that the team still looks to just be spinning their tires and not making any kind of real progress.
This team still has no foundation on which to build a Super Bowl type core. When the teams that pass the ball well and stop the pass well almost always do well, what have the Bills added that can be built on? Are we supposed to be excited that we’ve added Nelson, Chandler and Hairston to the pass offense and supposed to be left thinking that we’re going to have a Super Bowl type offense down the road? Are we supposed to look at all Nix has done for the defense (Edwards, Barnett, Merriman, re-sign Kelsay and Florence, draft Dareus top 10, Troup and Williams 2nd round, Sheppard and Carrington 3rd round and maybe find some nice guys later like Rogers and Moats) and think that we’re going to have a Super Bowl winning type of pass defense down the road?
This team isn’t being built to beat the best teams in the league. There is no foundation upon which to build that championship type of team other than a great pair of DTs, a free agent WR and hopefully Aaron Williams.
Seriously, almost all the additions that Nix has made have been on defense. It’s been entirely rebuilt with only Kyle Williams, Jairus Byrd, Spencer Johnson, Leodis McKelvin, Bryan Scott and Terrence McGee left over and on their original contracts. Everybody else has been added or resigned. The defense isn’t any better than it was before. The offense is improved, but is that because of Nix moves or because we’ve got a head coach that has gotten the most out of a gamer in Ryan Fitzpatrick?
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Feb 2, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We beat a team
in the super bowl. I have to respectfully disagree. The quality of our victories this year is quite a bit better then our victories at any point over the last 5 years. I’d love for someone to pull up the records of the teams we beat.
there are many different ways to quantify success. I do think we have the beginning of a stout defense. I do believe that Dareus, Williams, Shepperd, and Aaron Williams could be very solid foundations. I believe you have to build from the inside out. From the inside they are solid. Their inability to generate a pass rush without Merriman killed them. I don’t care for Moats or any other pass rusher.
On offense, I do see Fitz as a serviceable QB. Our HB’s are top tier. Our C, LG and perhaps RG are good or better. Our RT is at least average. he turned in strong games against quite a few guys not named Cameron. So, as I see it, They fixed the hardest parts first, the meat and bones of the team, and now, comes the “easy” part. Fixing the edges.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
The point isn't to win one game
Its to build a consistent winner. The Bills are nowhere near doing that.
They beat the Pats in a game where they played a phenomenol 2nd half (and were later embarrassed by them). None of their other wins were over teams with winning records. Even if they won a few of those over better teams, big deal, they still had just six wins and completely fell apart.
Fixing the edges is the easy part?!?! What?? LT and pass rushers are premium positions that are not easy fixes. Along with QB, those have been the Bills’ weaknesses for ages. That’s not a coincidence. You have strong pieces in those places, you are likely to contend for the playoffs and beyond. The interior are the “easy” fills, which is why you don’t see teams take ILB’s, interior OL or DT’s early in drafts that often. Those aren’t premium positions and aren’t the big money, important positions like those on the edge and at QB. The Bills are doing it backwards and to me, that has shown.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The Redskins beat a team in the Super Bowl twice. GB won 15 regular season games and lost to Kansas City. Seattle beat the Giants in NY. I’m not going to put too much stock in one great win over New England in which the Bills picked off Brady four? times despite a poor pass rush.
I believe you have to build from the inside out.
That’s where we disagree. And we couldn’t disagree more on that.
I do agree that Buffalo has the potential beginnings of a defensive core with the group Dareus, Williams, other Williams and Byrd. I feel like that’s more coincidence than plan though since Williams is the exception to the Nix pattern of valuing run stuffers over pass rushers and size over other qualities and the Bills weren’t going to never draft a CB.
On offense, I do see Fitz as a serviceable QB.
Totally agree. It’s just that in the NFL, serviceable isn’t good enough. I don’t blame Nix for Fitz being the QB though. It’s just one of many important areas that I feel havn’t been improved on.
Our HB’s are top tier. Our C, LG and perhaps RG are good or better.
That’s where we disagree again. Not that our RBs and interior OL aren’t really good, I think that’s the easy part. Not necessarily because it’s easier to find those positions (even though I think it is), but because they’re just not important enough in generating wins and losses. Statistically, it’s the wrong direction to build and offense.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Yeah, that's what I was basically getting at
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2012 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Prediction:
In two years, Nix and co. switch back to the 3-4 and he’ll be lauded by Bills fans for his sagely foresight.
Nix and co. better not be here in 2 years
if they’re switching the D again.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
If in two years the Bills suddenly have the right personnel to make the switch to 3-4, and the rest of the league has abandoned it, maybe it would be a good move. I’m a huge fan of consistency, but that doesn’t mean we can never change anything.
Kinda like on offense. I don’t want to be strictly a shotgun snap, spread team. We should be able to man-up and run straight ahead, too. You have to give your opponent what they don’t expect.
Not Sure
He hasn’t done anything to really disappoint me this month, but more progress in regards to Stevie would have helped me vote Approve.
"Nick Barnett is everywhere. He is behind you right now." - Munchausen
by RedStickBillsFan on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Not sure
Basically, this is why…
Told reporters that the team plans on trying to re-sign receiver Stevie Johnson, noting that the sides had discussed a deal since the end of the season. That report was refuted by Johnson’s agent, and a new report indicates that no progress has been made.
If Nix has in fact not been making it his #1 priority to negotiate in good faith with Johnson, I’d have no choice but to disapprove. He’s the only player the Bills have on the offensive side of the ball who is not only a young and still-developing talent, but one that has already produced at a level that is among the top 16 in the league at his position over the last 2 years. Losing Stevie takes this team 2 steps back.
While I don’t know for sure who’s telling the truth, it’s a troubling sign that they’re not even on the same page with respect to whether or not discussions have happened.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions
oops
sorry for the screwed up formatting there..
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Feb 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I am sure that I would believe Nix over an agent who has one goal get the most for his client at whatever cost.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Our Defense was better two years ago when Perry was in charge.
Nix wanted a 3-4 defense and failed to deliver and the run defense is the proof. This may not be a difficult fix for the organization but the fact that the defense wasn’t broken just needed some serious tuning is evidence that Nix shouldn’t be just given an approve, the fact that they brought Wanny in last year and made him DC this year is the reason why he shouldn’t get a dissapprove. Going with Not sure here. Need to get this defense right and fast, we have drafted many defensive players since Nix arrived time to put it all together.
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Voted Approved...
but that reverses IMEDIATELY if Stevie J is not resigned.
"WE’RE SUPER FREAKY" – STEVIE J
"I’d rather lose playing to win, then lose being bored out of my mind." - dancam1
Why Immediately?
Poz was supposed to be last off season’s top priority, and we lost him. BUT, Nix signed Nick Barnett to replace him. That’s an upgrade.
In a scenario where we lose Stevie, why not reserve your reversal until you see what Buddy does to replace him?
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
9/10 Times, I'd reserve judgment...
I was ok with letting Poz go. Loved the guy, and lost another current jersey, but the price was too high.
This is that 1/10 time for me. I’ve been very optimistic throughout this rebuild process. 1 thing about Stevie J that is different. 1st WR in Bills history with back to back 1000 yd seasons. I’m nowhere near ok with letting that go when he is just moving into his prime years.
Then again, I know myself. I’ll be Mr Optimistic again come September no matter what they do. Guess I’m a sucker, but hey… It’s the Bills…
"WE’RE SUPER FREAKY" – STEVIE J
"I’d rather lose playing to win, then lose being bored out of my mind." - dancam1
by BigBlkGr8Dane on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm right there with you.
Being a Bills fan isn’t a choice.
The Bills are like your parents. You can’t choose them, and no matter how much they disappoint you, and no matter how much you want to hate them, you simply love them.
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
for:
The Bills are like your parents. You can’t choose them, and no matter how much they disappoint you, and no matter how much you want to hate them, you simply love them.
… and stealing for a new sig – Thanks :0)
"WE’RE SUPER FREAKY" – STEVIE J
"I’d rather lose playing to win, then lose being bored out of my mind." - dancam1
by BigBlkGr8Dane on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Enjoy.
Glad I could be of assistance.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
seconded
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I won't get upset
If they let Stevie walk until I see what their plan B is. If they can upgrade him, that is fine by me. Here is my feeling, if Stevie wants top 10 cash, he doesn’t deserve that.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Its obvious you do not like steve johnson for whatever reason. Would you give top ten cash to Andre Reed in his time? I would. And Stevie has a record over him and probably will break them all if he stays in B-LO…Andre Reed = to be hall of fammer, yea i think Ill give top 10 cash to a player like that who actively loves buffalo as well
That is not true
I like Stevie, a lot. I still have him on my Madden team actually. I am in year 5 and he is a center piece.
However, that doesn’t mean that in that I don’t look to upgrade if I get a chance. The question really is- is he a true number 1 WR? Or is he a very good number 2? Unlike Madden, it can be very hard to tell exactly where someone fits best. How many WR’s have looked great and then fallen after getting that big contract and number 1 rank? Has Bolden looked like he was worth the cash? What about Housh? It is not as easy as you make it out to be.
We have the benefit of hindsight. They don’t. I don’t care where Stevie was drafted, so, I have no problem with a 7th rounder being worthy of the number 1 tag, but, how good is he? He isn’t top 10. Is he top 15? top 20? What kind of cash does he want? It is a big factor and not easily determined.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I disagree about not giving him top ten money. We are going to have to overpay some players to get them to come here, and we’re going to have to overpay some players to get them to stay here. The trick is to identify the good ones (Stevie) and let the not-so-good ones walk (Poz).
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Still voting Not Sure
Will do so until at least the bye week of next year. Waiting for the Baby, or a new Doctor to come in. Though if he doesn’t re-sign Stevie, I have a feeling I may go negative a little earlier…
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Johnson>Bowe>Jackson
I have to agree with csc06258. I would take Johnson over Bowe or Jackson. First, Johnson runs crisper routes than Bowe or Jackson. He has proven that he has chemistry with our QB. Has taken it to the best CB in the league, Revis. Bowe and Jackson have a better supporting WR crew than Johnson, but he is still able to put up big numbers. Finally, he is such an influance in the Buffalo community(He just gave SB tickets to the kid from Clarence, NY that just lost his dad three days ago) just a great guy. He may have had his childish moments but, I believe those days are in the past. Stevie Johnson is nothing but good for the City of Buffalo and the Buffalo Bills. Johnson over Bowe or Jackson anyday.
by ejtowne on Feb 1, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
rec'd
couldn’t have said it better myself…
"WE’RE SUPER FREAKY" – STEVIE J
The Bills are like your parents. You can’t choose them, and no matter how much they disappoint you, and no matter how much you want to hate them, you simply love them. - BuffaloOwdaTwnr
by BigBlkGr8Dane on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
yes
aside from the silly TD celebration things the dude has been an absolute model player off the field
Indeed he has
So if he walks, when we know he enjoys the community and wants to stay, it would be devastating to Nix’s regime. The guy is a good one and is a really important figure for the city….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn't you just say we had no WR's with starting abilities?
If Stevie doesn’t have starting abilities then how is losing him “devastating” to Nix? I guess I’m not following your train of thought.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
he’s not on the roster….
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by J2 on Feb 1, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
He is. And he will remain there until the start of FA on March 13th at least.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
Thank you for pointing that out
Stevie is Bills property for a few more months. And he is a quality starter that Chan developed. So, your point that we have no quality WR’s is wrong, right there.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Correct, I was just trying to point out that we can't blame someone for something that hasn't happened yet.
K’s earlier post made it sound like a done deal that Stevie wouldn’t return, then later points out how it’d be a failure if Nix doesn’t resign him. We still have 6 weeks of exclusive time with him and talks usually don’t heat up till the combine anyways.
It just looks like piling on to me.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
I don't think it has a ton to do with Nix
If Stevie wants $10m a year, good luck. If he wants a fair deal for both sides and Nix gets cheap, that’d be on Nix. Right now, can’t give Nix any credit and I’m not saying Stevie is a goner.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Until he is re-signed
Its tough to include him in any reference to the future or the starting lineup. If he re-signs he’s obviously a starting caliber WR. He’s not a member of the 2012 Bills though.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The 2012 Bills roster isn't even remotely close to set though.
I guess that’s what I couldn’t understand. You were listing shortcoming of the roster for either this year that just ended or the upcoming one. Stevie was on last years squad and listing the holes on a roster that hasn’t been assembled yet seemed…excessive.
I’m not trying to defend Nix here. I’ve gone from supporter to undecided after the Evans trade and will give him until draft time to re-sign a good number of our impending FA’s or I move fully into disapprove.
This off-season is his most critical IMO. We must retain some of the talent we found and build on that. We cannot keep creating holes in the roster.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
The 2012 Bills roster isn’t even remotely close to set though.
and that somehow refutes the point? Regardless of Steve, the WR position, is not set.
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Yes, it does
You can’t send a man to jail before he commits a crime. Until we see what he plans to do, I don’t see how you can judge.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
who says we are judging?
we are offering up assessment.
i agree with K in that you can’t consider him part of the roster, until he is. even if he is, that position, is arguably unsettled, even still.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
Yes, it refutes the point that he was arguing earlier.
No WR’s with big play ability or even starting abilities
How can this argument be made for the 2012 roster before we even know who’s lining up at WR? It’s premature to judge an unassembled WR corp.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
based off current circumstance
you can certainly question. We can question why Jones was a #2 last year. he was questionable. We can question why there has been no real addressing of this position at all (ALL undrafted free agents?). a single 4th rounder that hasn’t performed, a future pro bowler (probably) that we have yet to re-sign, and without more talent, we are going to remain just as questionable. What is the point in waiting until the “assembled WR corp” is failing, to question? no. We are questioning the lack of addressing. The same thing can be said for a number of positions. I don’t agree with dismissing our questions regarding Nix, simply because you don’t agree. You might think differently, and that is fine, but that doesn’t make the other point invalid.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
I'm not dismissing your questions regarding Nix. I asked a very specific question about a very specific statement.
If you want to expand it to a grander scale then that’s fine. But that’s not what I was discussing.
I was simply trying to find out if the statement was in reference to last years team (in which case “No WR’s with starting abilities” can easily be disputed), or if it was in reference to next years squad.
What is the point in waiting until the "assembled WR corp" is failing, to question?
I never said to wait until they were failing, simply let’s wait till maybe mini-camps to figure who is going to be on our roster.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
agree to disagree i guess
especially on this:
in which case "No WR’s with starting abilities" can easily be disputed
I don’t know how “easily” that can be disputed. our BEST WR and go to guy, was barely even in the top 30 of ALL WRs and the remainder of our squad is comprised of lesser talent. I think it is equally questionable to assume a 4th rounder, or one of our undrafted FAs is suddenly going to magically make this squad more than it is.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
If you don't think Stevie has starting abilities then I guess we will have to disagree.
Stevie is ranked the following in the league: link
18th in receptions
19th in yards
21st in TD’s
Considering there are 64 “starting WR’s”, at least, in the NFL I would call his performance starting material.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
did i say that?
of course not. But the fact of the matter is, until he is re-signed, he isn’t going to be on the roster.
those are the ONLY categories he broke the top 20, and you know it, if you checked like I did. Which still means that he isn’t necessarily deserving of top 5 WR money, right? being as he wasn’t in the top 5 in ANY category?
Perhaps though, when we look BEYOND steve johnson (the sole individual who can help you make ANY CASE AT ALL) you would be able to see the point K is making, that I agree with. CURRENTLY, we have NO STARTING CALIBER WRs on the roster, for sure. Nelson could be argued… And I would probably agree. If Steve comes back, then MAYBE you can say two. But we run a spread offense. We need 4. That is how it is. You can continue to bring your trivial argument, but it changes nothing about this view. We need a WR, at least 1, to be anywhere near what other teams are fielding.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
Final post for me on this one.
did i say that? of course not.
It’s what you implied with
especially on this:
in which case “No WR’s with starting abilities” can easily be disputedI don’t know how "easily" that can be disputed.
those are the ONLY categories he broke the top 20, and you know it, if you checked like I did
Those are the major categories for a WR, what others should I have checked? And yes, I checked hence the link to those stats.
Perhaps though, when we look BEYOND steve johnson (the sole individual who can help you make ANY CASE AT ALL)
The thing is, that was my whole point. I was refuting the argument that we had NO WR’s with starting ability. I said that was excessive, I stand by that. You can try to change to argument to something grander, again, if you like but that wasn’t my point.
Of course I think we need another WR and that’s why I voted as such.
"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop
DUDE
He isn’t a Bills player in 2012. That is just how it is. That renders him moot. In addition, when looking at receptions, yards, tds, avg per game, first downs…. etc…. the highest he ranked was like 15. Aside from plays over 40 yards, where he was tied for 11 I believe.
So while I do agree he is a starter in the NFL… and for the BIlls- he has to be on this team for that to matter.
OTHERWISE- that position is severely lacking.
I was refuting the argument that we had NO WR’s with starting ability
And yet you choose to use the guy who might not even be on the team. Roscoe Parrish was a starter in the past too… but then, who gives a crap if he isn’t starting for US? that is our point.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
I agree totally with you ejtowne. Both Jackson’s can kick rocks in my book. Bowe, he is a good big receiver, but sometimes is inconsistent. I guess you could blame that on the QB position in KC. And giving a kid SB tickets tells you where his heart truely is and a telling sign he wants to stay in Buffalo. The celebration antics are undesireable, but if he changes that and celebrates with teammates and fans in the stands…… like give a kid the football in the stands, run around the stadium and high five the fans, things like that, then some of those key drops that he occasionally has is definitely overlooked. I would take Stevie Johnson any day over any of the 3 big name receivers. REC’d big time,
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
On your mark... Get set... Terrible!
This is the mess that Nix inherited at the end of 2009.
- Still with the team (at the end of this past season): Ryan Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Corey McIntyre, Stevie Johnson, Roscoe Parrish, Andy Levitre, Eric Wood, Demetrius Bell, Spencer Johnson, Chris Kelsay, Kyle Williams, Bryan Scott, Reggie Corner, Drayton Florence, George Wilson, Jairus Byrd, Terrence McGee, Leodis McKelvin, John Corto, Rian Lindell, Brian Moorman, Garrison Sanborn.
- Thriving elsewhere: Marsha Lynch, Paul Posluszny, Donte Whitner.
- On a roster somewhere: Xavier Omon, Lee Evans, Kirk Chambers, Geoff Hangartner, Richie Incognito, John McCargo, Aaron Maybin, Kawika Mitchell, Ashlee Palmer, Ellis Lankster, John Wendling, Ashton Youboty.
- Not on an NFL roster:
Brian Brohm, Trent Edwards, Gibran Hamdan, Justin Jenkins, Terrell Owens, Josh Reed, Derek Fine, Shawn Nelson, Derek Schouman, Joe Klopfenstein, Ryan Denney, Chris Ellis, Aaron Schobel, Marcus Stroud, Keith Ellison, Nic Harris, Christian Gaddis.
More than half of that roster was either garbage or players at the end of their career. None of the players who were cut are thriving elsewhere. (Lynch was traded, Poz and Whitner left via FA, and if anybody wants to say Maybin is thriving, he is merely a role player with the Jets, not a starter.) While Whitner got credit for making a game-changing play against the Saints, he nearly blew the game twice when he was beaten for long scores. (He’s lucky the offense bailed him out.) Evans, albeit hampered by injuries this year, dropped what could have been the game-winning TD in the AFC championship game. Reggie Corner is still with the Bills only because of injuries. Otherwise, he would be on the list of players without a team.
- Key additions since Nix arrived: Brad Smith, Tashard Choice, CJ Spiller, David Nelson, Scott Chandler, Chris Hairston, Erik Pears, Chad Rinehart, Kraig Urbik, Alex Carrington, Marcell Dareus, Dwan Edwards, Nick Barnett, Danny Batten, Andra Davis, Arthur Moats, Kirk Morrison, Kelvin Sheppard, Joshua Nesbitt, Justin Rogers, Da’Norris Searcy, Aaron Williams, Marcus Easley, Donald Jones, Shawne Merriman, Reggie Torbor, Chris White.
Sure, there are a few in there that are nothing better than backups, and Merriman has so far been a gamble that hasn’t paid out. On the whole, I think Nix has done a LOT to overhaul a mostly useless roster dull of players nobody else would employ and find players who would play on many teams in the NFL.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions 10 recs
And the award for Best Comment Title goes too...
On your mark… Get set… Terrible!
Thanks for the pleasant Family Guy reference!
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 1, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, my lists do not include some of the backups or mid-season injury signings. There were several names I didn’t even recognize… and it wasn’t that long ago that they were on the team!
Players I ignored: Brad Butler (okay, I overlooked him), Seth McKinney, Jonathan Scott, Jamon Meredith, Nick Hennessey, Andre Ramsey, Chris Draft, Ryan Manalac, Josh Stamer, Cary Harris, Marcus Buggs, Justise Hairston, Todd Johnson, Jermaine McGhee, Marvin Phillip, Lydell Sargeant, Kendall Simmons, and Marcus Smith.
I believe that all of them are out of the league now.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oops
I missed James Hardy as well. Another useless player.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
REC, well said Sirius
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 1, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
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Great post Sirus. Hey, can you tell me how you got your name? Are you a Potter fan and went with red instead of black? In any event, I loved this write up. I don’t understand what they realistically expect Nix to be able to do in 2 years. We play in a very hard division (unlike say the NFC West) and change is never easy or fast.
No one is saying they have done perfect. They haven’t. But, they have stars on this team that other teams would want. they have more stars then they started with. This team is better then 09. We might be upset b/c they lost 8 in a row, but, that’s life. Hopefully, they will have a good draft, sign some good FA (both pros and rookies), get some luck and health, and do good next year. Typically, year 3 is when teams start to show if they will make it or not under a regime.
Before anyone says Detroit or SF, both teams had a ton of talent on them before the regime started (same with Houston). I wonder how many years it will take Indy to get good? It won’t be 2 years. I’d bet money on that. This team had very little talent on it. Now they do. Let the pros do what they do best, run a team.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I like astronomy, and Sirius is the brightest star we can see other than our own sun. Also, I like the color red. Together, it does sound like a Harry Potter name. I have seen all the movies, but never read the books.
I’ve also been a Bills fan since the early 70s, way back when OJ Simpson was still a good guy, the Electric Company paved his way, and Joe Ferguson was touted as the QB of the future. I’ve seen a few good teams and many awful ones, but at least I feel like we have a front office with a sense of direction for the first time in over a decade.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought of
Sirius black from Potter. isn’t that his name? I am not a huge Potter fan, tho I have seen the first 5 movies. IMO the second one was the best. I support Potter for one reason. Kids started to read. Too many kids today don’t read and it really is a beautiful past time. I know I read a lot of books in grade, high, college and Grad School. It helped shape the person that I am today.
I am similar to you. I have been watching since the 70’s and remember all those guys very well. I had OJ’s rookie card for a while.
I think this team is headed in the right direction too. I don’t mind people saying they aren’t happy, but, I really wonder in reality, how much more they could do. It’s not like they don’t compete against other clubs for the same talent. It is very hard to run a franchise. You know what I wish we had on this site, somehow, would be a tracker. For those who really feel they are all that and could do better, have them list their draft picks and build a fantasy team and see how well they do and how their fantasy team would end up. We’d have to go on their honesty, but, I don’t see why they’d lie if they think they are so good at predicting.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Many people seem to expect immediate turn-arounds, and that isn’t going to happen when you play in a tough division and inherit a talent-deficient roster. San Francisco and Denver play in weaker divisions — we went 3-1 against the AFC West this year while the league feasted on the other NFC West teams. I think they showed what they are capable of when healthy at the start of last season, and I’m hoping they can build on that and work on the strength and conditioning this non-lockout off-season.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Probaly mostly the new age fans....
First of all, I’d like to say I am firmly on the approve-side of this conversation. We definatly have a better roster than when Nix took over, and Chan finally had a offensive strategy THAT LED THE LEAGUE in scoring, until the injury bug hit us badly. Is the scheme switch gonna hurt us? How do we know? It hasn’t happened yet! I understand a lot of the pessimistic thoughts on this blog, but understand, even when we got our BEST QB of all time(Jim Kelly of course) it did NOT just spring us magically into the playoff picture, more pieces needed to be in place. There has been major inprovement in our team, see week 3 and the end of the NE streak. That should tell you something. And as for the ‘it isn’t enough arguements’. There isn’t a magic crystal ball who tells you who is gonna pan out, who is the sleeper and who is gonna get injured every other game, be patient. It took us a decade to get into this mess, and looking like we got the pieces to be possibly a playoff contender next year is A LOT better than two years ago when Chiux started off. So yes, I approve, big time. We finally got Buffalo Bills football semi-respectable again and fans are still in an uproar, and why? 1-8 finish? Did you NOT see our injury list? Can YOU do better? Sorry if I seem a little up in arms but the Bills is and always has felt like a family-thing to me, when people jump all over them I see red. Especially when things start to look up and fans can’t appreciate it. Get over it. We are re-building, Rome wasn’t built in one day, and if the Bills can go from 4-12, to 9-7 or 10-6 in three years, I’d say that’s a hell of a build. No matter what the WIN NOW people say. Period.
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by Mikey5275 on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Very well stated. I agree. Good change doesn’t happen overnight. I want to see how many years it takes the Colts to get good again if they do clean house. Then people will see. It is very hard to only build thru the draft.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
You are more than correct that the talent in place for Nix was a joke…and the fact that nobody from the 2010 draft class projects to start in their 3rd season (despite having to compete with mere “garbage”) speaks volumes of the job that Nix is doing.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Feb 1, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're analyzing the wrong person
Nix was hired at the beginning of 2010 with little time to prepare for the draft. As such, he had to rely heavily upon the scouting reports prepared by the head of the scouting department — Tom Modrak. The scouting on Spiller came directly from Gailey who had watched Spiller torch his team while he was still coaching at Georgia Tech.
With a full year to prepare for the 2011 draft (and the ability to now ignore Modrak’s input), the 2011 draft is looking pretty good so far. As soon as that draft was completed, any information Modrak had supplied was obsolete. (The reports on the 2010 juniors were used as starting points for the 2011 seniors, but they were able to go and scout those players still in school and update the information.) Once Modrak’s information was obsolete, he was canned… and rightfully so.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Nix was on the pay roll in 2009. He’s a self-described “football lifer” who has been scouting for decades and was with the Chargers in 2008. He was basically out of work for a few months. In short, the 2010 draft was his show- he’ll either get all the credit if they end up succeeding or all the blame if they continue to make minimal contributions.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Feb 1, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tom Modrak was on the payroll, too, and I’m sure he would also describe himself as not only a “football lifer” but a great evaluator of talent as well. The truth is, he isn’t. He is the primary reason we had a decade full of fruitless drafts.
Nix is the general manager, not the head of scouting. It’s a manager’s job to delegate to the appropriate people, not to try to do everything themselves. Modrak was held accountable for his ineptitude. I don’t know why you argue as if Nix was the head of scouting at that time. If a manager asks for a report, they base decisions on that report… they don’t throw it away and make their own report instead. As 2010 moved along, Nix made changes to the scouting team to essentially ensure that Modrak could be made expendable.
by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In fairness to Tom Modrak, he had a great track record coming into Buffalo. I think he’s been turned into a scapgoat. 30 years of good talent evaluation, notably as the head of scouting for the Steelers and the GM of the Eagles and suddenly he comes to Buffalo and single handedly drags Buddy Nix down for an offseason? You believe that Modrak was the problem because it’s convenient to think so. But Buffalo didn’t decide to take a RB in the top 10 because of Modrak and they didn’t decide to reach on a one dimensional NT in the 2nd round because of a Tom Modrak scouting report.
The Bills had a bad draft in Nix’s first year. It was partly a scouting issue (namely Troup and maybe you could throw a name like Wang in there) and moreso a team building problem (seriously, this team took a RB in the top 10?). Bill Belichick has had plenty of bad drafts too, but there is no need to make excuses for those. It’s just the the nature of drafting amateur players and hoping they develop into superstars.
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by kaisertown on Feb 1, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How in the world can you say Modrak
was a scapegoat? He had more terrible drafts in Buffalo then any other specialist in the history of the Bills. If you want to be negative, be negative on the correct people. Nix had to trust his work. Modrak had a great rep, and he was turrible in Buffalo. He is more the reason that we have sucked for so long then anyone else, including Ralph because Ralph defers to his “specialists” and trusts their guidance.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
He was the head of scouting, and for that deserves a lot of blame, for sure. But the GMs pull the trigger, not Modrak. He’s treated like the guy that drove the Bills into the ground single-handedly around here. He wasn’t. There were plenty of GMs for that.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Once again...
Nix, Brandon, Levy, and Donahoe were all managers who had to depend heavily on reports that were prepared by somebody who was incompetent. Nix was the only one who could recognize the incompetence and remove Modrak. For that reason alone, he should get plenty of approval.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 6:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And the scapegoat point is essentially placing all the blame on Modrak. My point is he absolutely does not deserve all of it. Yes, he was an integral part of several bad drafts, but there were people above him that listened to him. I give Nix credit for dumping him, but the GMs that came before him listened to him, agreed with him (or didn’t, I don’t really know), and were the ones responsible for the men drafted. Yes, I believe Modrak was a scapegoat for a decade’s worth of futility from OBD.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Are you saying that Modrak wasn’t worthy of blame for preparing terrible scouting reports? His entire role is to prepare the reports that form the basis for the draft board. His time as the head of scouting is marked by some of the worst drafts in franchise history, with only a handful of players drafted prior to Nix’s arrival still having enough talent to remain not only on this team, but anywhere in the league. While the Lions were quietly building a solid nucleus of players, Modrak continued to hype craptacular players to the GM and head coach.
He was not a scapegoat. He was the poster child for everything that was wrong within the organization. Too many incompetent/unqualified GMs failed to recognize the problem. It took a former scout like Nix to realize that Modrak’s reports were rubbish.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying that Modrak wasn’t worthy of blame for preparing terrible scouting reports?
No.
My point is he absolutely does not deserve all of it.
My point is that the GMs are the ones who make the selections, they are equally if not moreso to blame, and placing it all on Modrak makes him an unfair scapegoat. Did he deserve to get fired? Probably. I don’t know how scouting and I don’t know how many GMs listened to him vs. went off on their own. However, does he deserve to be blamed for all of the bad drafting? Absolutely not.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Let's try something different...
Suppose that, every April, you wanted to invest money in the stock market, but you didn’t have the time to research all of your options. You would probably rely on the advice of a stockbroker, a person whose entire job is to recommend stocks that he thinks will pay off in the future. If you paid him to do all that market research and then ignored his advice, then you would be foolish to keep paying for his advice every year. If his recommendations were awful year after year, you would be foolish to stay with him for a decade. If his recommendations were awful the first time you tried him and you see that his recommendations to prior customers were also awful, you would not call him a scapegoat for your poor investments, you would call him incompetent… and you would fire him and find somebody who can do a better job.
Do you agree with this parallel?
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
no, because Buddy’s job is scouting and he pushes other jobs on other people. Like Overdorf doing contracts.
Buddy has always been a scout and that’s what he does best so he should be better at getting talent. He has plenty of time to research his options because that’s what his job is. He’s not a truck driver that’s on the road then comes in and drafts college players.
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by J2 on Feb 2, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Were Tom Donahoe, Marv Levy, and Russ Brandon scouts?
When Nix came in, how much time did he have to prepare for the draft? Only a few months. If he were to try to start from scratch and ignore the reports that Modrak had already prepared, he would be looking at about 20 hours of game film multiplied by roughly 300 prospects. That would work out to 250 days, working nonstop, with no sleep. He was stuck with Modrak and his reports for 2010.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
When Nix came in, how much time did he have to prepare for the draft?
he was here for an entire year before being promoted to GM, so it’s not like he didn’t know a huge swath of prospects.
He was stuck with Modrak and his reports for 2010.
no he wasn’t – he was here working with the Bills.
I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
by J2 on Feb 2, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he was with the Bills… as a “national scout”, primarily in charge of the southeast region. (Ironically, he was reporting to Modrak at the time.)
Each team employs a small army of scouts because no one person is going to have enough time to watch all of the live action and/or game tapes of each and every prospect. The head of scouting is in charge of reviewing all of the scouts’ assessments and putting together a report that grades each and every prospect so that the GM and coaching staff can put together their draft board.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks – I wasn’t sure how that worked……
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by J2 on Feb 2, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
You sure made it sound like Nix was expected to know everything about everyone.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
plus – Buddy has shown he’s a decent talent evaluator. Spiller, Dareus, Williams etc… are good football players.
Buddy’s problem is he doesn’t know how to build a team. He has no organizational philosophy and has reached on picks in order to compensate for his lack of strategy at certain times (Troup comes to mind).
I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
by J2 on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since Nix was, in 2009, in charge of scouting the southeast, he may have personally watched and graded those players. We don’t really know.
As for the building the team, he has indeed stated his philosophy. He wants to build a defense from the inside, going out. We now have Dareus, Kyle Williams, Barnett, and Sheppard in the middle. That’s pretty solid and right along with his stated philosophy.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Since Nix was, in 2009, in charge of scouting the southeast, he may have personally watched and graded those players. We don’t really know.
Wow, so we can bury Tom Modrak for his job of being in charge of the scouts and have no clue what were actually in his scouting reports, but Nix gets a pass on his first draft after being a scout with the organization for 15 or 16 months before his first draft and the GM for four months before that 2010 draft because somehow it’s Tom Modrak’s fault? That’s the scapegoat mentality that we’re talking about. You’re believing what you want to believe specifically because it paints the best outlook for the future of this franchise.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We can bury Modrak based entirely on what he did
How was Nix involved in the Bills’ drafts from 2002-2009? Modrak’s role was to prepare reports for those drafts, and it showed a clear pattern of incompetence. Modrak’s reports were already prepared for the 2010 draft, and there wasn’t time to shred them and start over.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not about blaming Modrak for his tenure in Buffalo, it’s about blaming him for the 2010 draft. We’re talking about a list of what, 100 names that deserve consideration for the first couple rounds and the notion is that Nix, after being the GM for four months and a scout for the year before that, doesn’t have a good enough handle on those college players to not draft a running back because he got bad scouting reports? The 2010 draft is on Nix and Modrak is just an excuse.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
And I would contend...
That you are believing what you want to believe about Nix because you want to be able to assign as much blame as possible in order to get rid of him.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But I don’t actually want to fire him. I just think he’s taking the team in the wrong direction. I think the focus of his decision making has been poor. Too much attention to size and to running the ball and stopping the run.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
If you really believe
He is taking the team in the wrong direction then why WOULDN’T you want him fired? You can’t have that both ways.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I feel like I can have it both ways. I certainly won’t deny that Nix has an impressive eye for talent. I also havn’t forgot that he was around in SD when they drafted and developed both Brees and Rivers and that’s significant for me.
It’s also only been two offseasons and I’m just not ready to call for Nix’s firing based on what I perceive to be the plan and priorities. Maybe Nix changes course or maybe his picks aren’t all that representative of what he’s trying to do. I’m not even sure that I’ll be that confident in what I think I know after this offseason (unless it’s another year of really neglecting pass D and pass O) and will probably hold off until after the 2013 draft before I’d actually say that I think Nix should be fired.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
no, because Buddy’s job is scouting
You lost all credibility for this comment right off the bat.
He was a scout in the past. Now he is GM. Worlds of difference.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 2, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
No, unless I am in charge of stock acquisitions for a company. Nix’s job is to draft good players. If my job was to find good stocks, and I listened to my stock brokers blindly and bought stocks on their recommendation, and they failed, my company would fire me, whether or not I fired the broker.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
(seriously, this team took a RB in the top 10?).
Why is the CJ Spiller pick soooo despised? He’s a playmaker. Our offense was anemic, and Lynch was not going to be part of the equation going forward. It was a safe pick with a bit of spice which has started paying dividendes..
People continue to hate that pick just because it was unexpected. Yes, we may have had more obvious needs, and with Lynch and Jackson, it seemed like we had plenty of depth. However, we lacked the home run threat, and Spiller is still the only home run threat on the team. In hindsight, it was an obvious way to inject life into the pop-gun offense. Lynch was an idiot off the field, and this gave them the opportunity to trade him for another draft pick.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The autocorrect “feature” on my phone butchered that.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Approved
Hasnt missed on a first rounder yet and has a knack for picking practice squad players and undrafted guys
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Feb 1, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
has to be not sure
until Steve Johnson/Fred Jackson/the Draft pans out
Let's see here.....
Built a deep O-line to be proud of but currently needs help at left tackle. – A+
2010 draft not looking to well right now… That’s a big minus.
Team left money on the table as a huge profit for the near penniless Wilson in both of his two years. That’s a big minus.
Doesn’t know what defense he’s running. Says he’s drafting for the 3-4 but keeps drafting 4-3 players. Polian had this same affliction in Buffalo…. That’s a minus!
2011 draft looks pretty decent, tha’s a plus.
I have big expectations for the 2012 draft seeing as how buddy finally put together his staff.
I really feel confident this year, I do. That’s a plus.
Well there you go, undecided…. (I think I have voted undecided for Buddy for quite some time now.)
PodunkO - The great post ender!
by podunkowego on Feb 1, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And this here is my biggest complaint!
Team left money on the table …
We could’ve spent to the cap last year and extended Steve….. or Fred, or Scott, or (insert name here). Because of this failure, now this year we have to worry about exceeding the cap because we have too many we want to re-sign?
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very frustrating.
"My new cat just farted on my lap. Smells like Bills football." BG.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 1, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ps....
I feel confident about the draft, not the season…..I think we need 2 very good receivers, 2 very good DEs, the left tackle, to sign Scott and Chandler (or better players) a good prospect at SOLB and more depth guys….
I don’t think they will do it.
Go bills!
PodunkO - The great post ender!
Disapprove
First off we signed Fritz to a big contract and he only won 1 game after that. Forget about Steve Johnson. Get a WR who actually wants to play in Buffalo.
Nobody wants to play for this team because of Ralph Wilson. What happens when he dies. That is what is facing these players. I think Buffalo probably moves to Toronto under Canada Business Partners. Stadium lease is up soon and doesn’t look promising to renew. So who would want to come here. Old players and Draft picks. Old players either retire or leave after one year. Draft picks leave as soon as they are free agents. So there is no continuity. This has been going on for sometime now. Thats is why we haven’t made the playoffs in 12 years,
Need to build a team that can beat our Division Rivals. Just look at what the Dolphins are doing. Bet they make the playoffs before we do. Have to find a way to be better than the Patriots are. We aren’t doing that and the Patriots win the Division every year. Time to get better players and keep the coaches you have now rather than firing them every 3 years. It takes about 3 to 5 years to build a Champion if you know what you are doing. Apparently we do not. Hope Nix and Galley finally have this team going in right direction. Next season will tell. Draft and free agent can fix this team now. Will it happen I hope so.
Disapprove
I think the notion that Buffalo is a better team going into next year than they were when Nix took over has some truth to it, but is also largely fool’s gold.
Think of it like this: When was the last time that we as Bills fans thought we were entering a season with a worse team than we had two years earlier?
When was the last time that Buffalo had a QB that they thought was worse than the guy playing a couple years ago?
Mularkey was better than Williams until he wasn’t and then Juaron was better than them both and then Bills fans were saying he could be the coach of the year after the 2008 start, now he’s obviously inferior to Gailey. And it’s not that I disagree with that mentality, it’s just important to take a step back and realize how this works.
Is Buffalo really a better team now than they were under Jauron? I’m not so sure that it’s true and if it is, it’s because the Chan Gailey / Ryan Fitzpatrick combo isn’t that bad. I don’t it has anything to do with Buddy Nix and his job performance.
I disapprove for the same reasons I’ve always disapproved:
His first draft was a mess with Spiller and Troup. Just really, really poor roster planning.
Organizationally, the Bills seem more interested in run defense than pass defense, which is a big no-no, IMO.
I’m also not a fan of handing out as many decent sized contracts to mid tier FAs as Buffalo seems to be. I think that’s another team building flaw. Those guys never really make a team any better and the Bills need to use more discretion signing those players and less reliance on that as a strategy to improve the team.
The Shawne Merriman signing remains a huge joke. That is not something that we should look at as a risk that failed in hindsight. It never had a chance of succeeding and hopefully the move to the 4-3 pushes him off the roster.
For positives:
Nix must have been a very good scout in his day because his ability to turn other team’s garbage into solid, contributing players is very impressive. It’s the reason why you don’t hand out the contracts to mid tier FAs that Buffalo tends to do because those undrafted FAs and young unrestricted FAs can fill those roles as effectively.
I believe that the OL, especially the interior positions can be addressed with later draft picks and low tier FAs and I love that it’s how Nix has built the OL. Not that I’d oppose a LT in the first round, but it’s the only offensive line position that I’d pretty much ever spend a first or second round pick on. The difference between an above average RG and a below average RG just isn’t enough to do anything other than use Kraig Urbik’s and Chad Rhinehart’s.
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by kaisertown on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
When was the last time that Buffalo had a QB that they thought was worse than the guy playing a couple years ago?
2010. I thought 2010 Trent Edwards was considerably worse than 2008 Trent Edwards.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Spiller Troup being a mess? Who would you have taken instead? Was it Clausen? Was that the player you were all on board for Kaiser? And if I’m mistaken that he was, who was your guy? Because by your own atmition, you love the way Nix built the OL. Going so far as to say the only OL you’d take in the first or second round would be a LT. So who’d you take w the first pick in 2010? Please fill me in on how you could have avoided such a ‘mess’.
As for run defense being built before pass rush, this is fundamentally sound. Not sure what book your reading from. Run stuffing DT’s and 3-4 ends take longer to develop than pass rushers. Dareus notwithstanding as he is the exception to the rule. These players generally require a year or two in strength and body mass conditioning to compete at the level needed to dominate in the NFL. Pass rushers like Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Clay Matthews, Brooks Reed and the like, generally can step in from day one and contribute because pass rushing is a skill more dependent upon god given talent. Aka a quick first step, anticipation, and speed. These skills are more naturally gifted, and less dependent upon years of developing, thus the reason in a true rebuild, you definitly go run stuffers before pass rushers.
Nix did build the D correctly. And it will pay off this year.
by DJ O on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, it was Jimmy Clausen. I also did like Bulaga and Anthony Davis and liked Dez Bryant and all the pass rushers quite a bit too. In fairness to my track record, I also would have signed Jason Babin that offseason and stuck with the 4-3, so the team probably would have had a DL with Schobel, Williams, anybody, Babin and would have been as strong (IMO, stronger) as they are along the DL now and it would have happened without having to use a bunch of early round picks to do it.
Wanting Jimmy Clausen doesn’t change that Nix took a running back. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And honestly, maybe if this team would actually take a chance on a QB and have it blow up in their faces, they’d end up in position to hit on a QB early. Maybe they would have been 1-15 and taking Cam Newton like Carolina was instead of ending up with a great player, but one who can only help his team in the W-L column so much in Dareus.
I also definitely would not have taken Troup in the 2nd round and it’s because I completely and totally disagree with you on drafting run stuffers. For me, it has nothing to do with development time. I just don’t think that stopping the run is all that important. I think teams should be built to score points and to stop the pass. Statistics back that up very strongly, IMO.
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by kaisertown on Feb 2, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes my memory is like a steel trap. Mostly though it’s just mush.
Hey, I get roster planning on paper with your Babin and Schobel DLine, but there was no guareentte that offering a contract to either would bring them here. Besides, Nix had no clue who was playing QB etc, and who knows? Maybe goin into the year with Trent or Ryan as your QB (without much of a pass rush mind) was Nix’s attempt at landing Newton?
My point is that I don’t judge bases on circumstances I don’t know for fact (ie, who would or would not sign here is impossible for me to know. Same goes for if they were trying to tank the season like you suggest in your scenario to build a team). I see two drafts and two rounds of free agency spent mainly on Inside D (both lineman and backers) and O line. OL with lower round and street free agents, Defense on higher round draft picks and mid priced free agents. I don’t have a problem with this. Nix now has a better idea of what this team needs. And this years free agency and draft should answer those areas your concerned with.
Disapprove
The switch back to 4-3 just continues the 2 years of the fumbling, bumbling Bills under Nix and Gailey. It started badly with the Spiller pick and has never really gotten better. If they fail in free agency and the draft this year it will be another 3 years before this franchise has a hope of turning it around. I’m someone who believes in stability by principle and despite the fact I haven’t agreed with much of what Gailey/Nix have done have wanted to give them more time to bring their plans to fruition but I am fast running out of patience.
Check out http://mocknfldrafts.blogspot.com/
Badly? Spiller? Are you kidding me?
Spiller was a great pick! He can put up the numbers Jackson does, see the RB comparison fanpost, GJ to the author btw. We now have good, borderline great RB that can carry us to the future. What more do you want from him, A 2000 yard season when he is splitting carries? And not even getting an even split, pleeeeeeease!!!
'Fight on my men' Sir Andrew said, 'A little I am hurt but not yet slain, I'll just lie here and bleed a while. Then I'll rise and fight again!'
Just because spiller is a good player doesn’t make him a good pick..
by ausbillsfan on Feb 2, 2012 3:09 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
undecided
i think we judge nix after year 3, absolutely after year 4.
he does not get a failing grade.
he gets a B plus for rebuilding the offensive line with
waiver pick ups during his first season as GM.
that was impressive, as we learned this season.
I like the Spiller pick, who knew Freddie would be a
Superstar Stud, at 30 something?
Lynch was already out of here, bad attitude.
I am in Fitz’s camp, but that had less to do with
Buddy and more to do with Gailey.
Defense needs to get better, clearly.
And if it does, we will be in the playoffs.
Stevie
If the bills can’t pay good money for good receivers than they will be cheap as always, never want to pay top money for players who have overachieved. For example LT jason peters is a probowler ever since the bills didn’t want to pay him! Stevie will be yet another good talent that has emerged to stardom that the bills refuse to pay! Cheap Wilson pay the guy he has earned it!
by Mk209 on Feb 1, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yea and somehow they paid Fitz and let Greer, Pat Williams, Winfield, Peters and probably other pro bowlers just walk away. Then they go and hand fitz and Kelsay millions, i never understand this organization. Stevie should be a no brainer. I wish we could give that 60 million to him
by csc06258 on Feb 2, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Daryl Lamonica
being more serious, how can you blame this regime for what the previous one did. Who has this regime let go that we still miss today?
Whitner < Wilson
Poz < Barnett
Please let me know who this regime has let walk away that they should have kept.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Voted "Not Sure"
Buddy gets upgraded in my book if:
He signs Stevie…… NOW!
Signs one TOP FA. Not a Barnett, a Blue-chipper.
Signs Chandler cheaply.
Knocks the draft out of the ballpark.
Signs Freddy right after the draft.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 1, 2012 7:09 PM EST reply actions
Is that all?
Sabrina the teen aged witch called and said that she couldn’t even do all that…
Seriously, how can he force anyone to sign cheaply? If Chandler is looking for top dollar, how do you convince him to sign for cheaper?
Stevie is a good player, but, he is not a top 10 WR. If they can upgrade, as with every position, they should.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I never said force Chandler to sign cheaply.
I said “sign him cheaply.”
Maybe we get a hometown discount because we are the only team that ever gave him a chance.
There are 32 NFL teams. Stevie is our number one and I would argue that he is a top 15 WR. He owned Revis and he played hurt a lot this year.
Kinda hard to upgrade those skills. Not impossible.
But VERY hard.
"My new cat just farted on my lap. Smells like Bills football." BG.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 1, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
You said maybe get a hometown
discount. If the player doesn’t want that, you can’t force him to do that. That is my point. He can only do so much. If Chandler wants to play for a good price here, fine, if not, then move on. You can’t overpay everyone and still field a good team.
As for Stevie, not sure if he is in the top 15 WR’s. top 20, i’d say for sure. Again, it depends where he wants to be paid. If he wants top 5 money, I’d let him walk. Same for top 10. Maybe even top 15. I think there are 15 better. VJax has had some good games against Reevis too. It does happen.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
If you let him walk you’re left with Zero wide receiver, I just don’t see how they will explain that to the fans or public. They won’t sign or even be in the running for Vjackson or Bowe so don’t even think about that. They need to hand out a nice dollar to steve Johnson or we can hope and spend a fortune on a top uncertain draft pick. SJ is a certainty in this league, I’d rather give it to him then Floyd or Jeffery
while i agree with your sentiment, your view is quite questionable.
They won’t sign or even be in the running for Vjackson or Bowe so don’t even think about that.
According to….. You? There is still that chance, however unlikely you feel it is.
They need to hand out a nice dollar to steve Johnson or we can hope and spend a fortune on a top uncertain draft pick
Signing steve at around 8 million a year, for 4-6 years, is far more money than the “fortune” of a draft pick, however uncertain. Based off contracts last year a #10 pick will cost closer to 3 per year. (Gabbert was signed to a four year, 12 million dollar contract, all of it guaranteed). So that really means, we can pay almost three years worth of first rounders, on his salary alone. So while you may seem his as a certainty (and I share in this view, AND that he is worth a significant contract) there is some apprehension that should be associated with his numbers, because as suteck points out- he is only in the top 20 (only barely) for total yardage, and plays for 40+
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
Really? That sounds like a perfectly reasonable list to me. Isn’t this the stuff we should be expecting from our GM?
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I was specifically talking
about forcing or talking Chandler into a discount or to sign cheaply. I said I don’t see how anyone can force a guy to stay here and take less cash if he wants more.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Usually the optimist, but I must disapprove.
First, the message was “perform and we’ll reward you!” Then Freddy performed, and Stevie performed, and Chandler performed. Now what’s the message? “Perform and we’ll screw you around for as long as possible to maybe save a few bucks”? That’s a much less appealing proposal.
"Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right." ~ Ani Difranco
Okay Chan, turn all of the...eh, tools...into weapons!
Now what’s the message?
The message is that the NFL is a business. Frankly, it’s Nix’s responsibility to hammer out a favorable deal for the organization. Tough to hear, but don’t all of our employers do the same? As for Fred, he is still under contract thru next season. Why has that become such a burning topic?
It's a burning topic
because he should be paid more for his level of production and extended. It would send an actual good message.
"Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right." ~ Ani Difranco
Okay Chan, turn all of the...eh, tools...into weapons!
We are a better organization now than when he took over. That might not have translated into wins yet. But I think people underestimate how busted this front office was compared to other teams when Nix came in. He has now brought in multiple more senior front office folks, and they only got here after the 2011 draft. So much of this investment is still TBD in my eyes. If that doesn’t pan out, well then I guess I’ll disapprove. But to me the benchmark is do I think he is . And even though the results have so far been disappointing. Its a process I am patient with considering it takes years to turn over a roster and front office and for those seeds to germinate in the form of wins. I could disapprove because the team he’s had really 1.5 off-seasons to put together went on an injury laden 1-7 spell that was ugly. But when I look at the average free agent and draftee, its hard for me to say he is doing worse than plenty of great GMs.
I don’t care if we keep Johnson or what the time table is on that. Negotiations are negotiations for a reason. A specific player like Johnson shouldn’t be the criteria of whether the GM is doing his job. It’s what the net talent infusion looks like each year. It may be not keeping Johnson means there is someone else. So hopefully we keep him for the right price, otherwise, I hope we put that money to use somewhere and that it has even more impact. If we do neither, well, then it will be disappointing.
I’m fine with judging him on how the team is doing, I can see why people would disapprove. But I guess I try to extract the signal from the noise. How much of this is under his control and when do we expect the types of investments he is making to actually impact the result. So I approve of his approach in general and his drafts in general. But this approach I don’t think has been tested in practice yet.
I have low expectations. But high hopes.
by greysquirrel on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Would you have been so impatient with Polian?
Bill Polian became GM of the Bills in December of 1985. In 1986, they went 4-12, an improvement of a mere two wins compared to the prior season. The following season, the team had Marv Levy, Jim Kelly, Ronnie Harmon, Andre Reed, Pete Metzelaars, Chris Burkett, Steve Tasker, Bruce Smith, Shane Conlan, Darryl Talley, Cornelius Bennett, Nate Odomes, and Fred Smerlas… and they still only went 7-8! (That was the season interrupted by the strike… not at unlike the labor strife Nix had to go through in his second year.)
I suppose that a large number of you would have been calling for Polian’s head back then because they didn’t immediately win their division.
by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 12:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Actually, we were!
When they picked Ronnie Harmon in te 1986 draft, I was very frustrated by that. Get rid of the GM! Very similar to the CJ Spiller pick in 2010.
I hope we just need a couple more year of patience as we did in the 80’s leading into the 90’s.
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by ChuckBuffInFlo on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
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