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Poll: What Is The Buffalo Bills' Biggest Off-Season Need?

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In putting together our State of the Buffalo Bills Roster series, we asked the Buffalo Rumblings community to vote for the biggest offensive and defensive needs the team has entering the 2012 off-season. Now it's time to continue voting to merge those two lists into one community-developed needs list.

On offense, Rumblers perceive wide receiver to be the team's weakest area. Stevie Johnson is an impending free agent, and the rest of the receivers are either role players or young, unproven players that shouldn't be handed (and may not be worthy of) a No. 2 role. Defensively, defensive end - that's a 4-3 defensive end, and one who rushes the passer - was the clear winner, as the Bills have not had a competent pass rush in years.

Let's get going, folks. Which of these two positions is the Bills' biggest need? Should finding another target (or two) for Ryan Fitzpatrick be the focus, or should finding a pass rusher (or two) for Dave Wannstedt get priority?

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Which of the following two positions is a bigger off-season need for the Buffalo Bills?
WR
216 votes
DE (pass rusher)
2032 votes

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I don’t care if they put Betty White at WR this year – get me some pass rushers!

I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman

by J2 on Feb 1, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions   4 recs

Second that

They’ve needed a pass rusher for years now is the time there are plenty of options in free agency and the draft. I do hope they re-sign Stevie and get another WR again through free agency or the draft I have no preference just get it done.

by brucesmithistheman on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They’d probably just give her #11. Best to keep those uniforms cycling through their normal expected use.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

We talking a hungry Betty White from the Snickers commecial, I’d take her at DE all day long, she’d get like 150 sacks.

by garcia76 on Feb 1, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol!!!!

very good keep the snickers away from the whole team that is just what we need … hunger

by ONEREALMAN on Feb 3, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted

to vote both

flayed ones stealth mode

"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."

by mob16151 on Feb 1, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

WR

Just looking at the market, the quality of WR are much better than pass rushers. The Bills would be better up doubling up in both areas, but can address the DE more easily than in free agency.

by DynamicHero22 on Feb 1, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Two polls

I almost felt like there should be two polls. But I voted DE.
Poll 1:
a) WR if Stevie leaves
b) DE
Poll 2:
a) WR if Stevie signs
b) DE

by buffalo_bills on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

I agree. There’s always someone else to catch footballs and run them in for scores. (Not saying Stevie isn’t important, nor that finding great additions isn’t necessary), but it’s so hard to win games if a team can’t unsettle the QB.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i’d vote DE on both

by ONEREALMAN on Feb 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Stevie

If they can’t resign Stevie it will just another star player the bills will miss out on like how they always are. They are so cheap and never wanna pay star caliber players top money

by Mk209 on Feb 1, 2012 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I feel like it has to be pass rusher. Chan’s supposed to be a genius when it comes to tailoring his offense to his players so if WR is still a positional need come next season, maybe he should think about using our backs a little more; there’s more flexibility on the offense I feel when there isn’t the best talent in the world on the field whereas if the defense is lacking, we’re going to get trampled (i.e. the past two seasons)

"You can't spell, 'The Buffalo Bills Win the Superbowl,' without 'Buffalo Bills.'" - Me

by B3@$TMoD3 on Feb 1, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

I say pass rusher. We need some pass rushers and we need some bad.

by GoBills:) on Feb 1, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Pass rusher

is the only answer. without a defense that can stop someone from scoring points or get them off the field (by sacking the QB), this team has no chance to succeed.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 1, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

Pass rusher~don’t care if it is a DE or OLB just anyone that can get to the QB on a regular basis…

Football is like life - it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work, sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority.

Vince Lombardi

by Goose22 on Feb 1, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

We need a 6’5 365 lbs DE who has phenomenal hands and can run a 4.4 40.

by Wien on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

er 265 lbs

although it would be supremely impressive to see a 465 pounder run a 4.4.

by Wien on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This was pretty funny

flayed ones stealth mode

"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."

by mob16151 on Feb 1, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent.

"It’s like I’ve always said, don’t tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby."
- Buddy Nix

"How can a guy with a name like Melo be such a pain in the ass?"
- George Lopez

by dnvrBillsfan on Feb 1, 2012 3:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

365 pounder running a 4.4 would be scary awesome. 465 would be supremely dangerous.

by BuffaloRepresent on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Alaskan Halibut dangerous.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Both for the QB he’s gunning for, and himself – that heart of his would have to be bionic to pump that kind of blood.

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I was giving them away
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by oompaloompa on Feb 1, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Bunyan

Football is like life - it requires perseverance, self-denial, hard work, sacrifice, dedication and respect for authority.

Vince Lombardi

by Goose22 on Feb 1, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

PASS RUSHER, and its not even close!

When evans left it was believed to be a weakness. When the season began and we were winning it was a strength (this was after the parrish injury). When the mid-way point hit and as the season went on we were loosing and mostly due to our defense and fitz’s inconsistency. all be it we did loose donald and freddy for the year who were involved, freddy more so than donald and chandler went down at the end. Coaching blames it on not giving fitz enough weapons I however disagree. Now I know this is not the topic of discussion I’m just reflecting on the season. I think we could use another weapon at wr but I don’t think that’s one of our weakest areas especially if steves resigned. Please stop drinking the kool aid. Fitz wasn’t inconsistant because of those around him, thats simply who he has always been and has yet to prove he can be consistent for an entire season. Our pass rush and defense in general is far and away our biggest issue aside from fitzs inconsistencies.

by Shovel51 on Feb 1, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

More WRs

You forgot to mention Marcus Easley as well. Our WR were depleted 4 weeks into the season. I hope someone was watching when Spiller played out the remaining schedule this past year. Maybe Jackson doesnt go down when if he receives less than 100% of running totes as well as a good chunk of receiving. Its a long year, the NFL will prolly make it even longer, 18 weeks any one? If you have solid depth that is where you will win because every team goes through injuries. We lack an elite passrusher (or any pass rush at all). Thats from either DE or OLB. I like Fitz’ gunslinger mentality but he’ll always throw double digit picks. I say pick your elite DE or OLB, add more depth at OL and whatever position you didnt choose in the 1st round. Depth at DB can be an issue as well, depending on who leaves this year/next season. Its never too late to start grooming. Lastly, as per WR, you can always find someone late in the draft with great speed and develope them or find someone developed but lacking great speed. As noted by our plethera of WR’s this year. That is all, and hey, lets get Spiller the F’N ball.

by joeygny on Feb 1, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This was easy!

Bottom line sign Stevie and we could go to battle on offense. No way we go into next year without improving our RDE. It just must happen.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 1, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Just make sure Stevie gets a brain in the offseason. Penalties always kill ya, even the childish ones like happy new year. Being humble is a lost art. Do we need to have our Quality Control coaches go around inspecting players uniforms before games?

by joeygny on Feb 1, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

QB

:)

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 1, 2012 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

If only that were a choice.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

from your lips to God’s ears, K.

"a play in which nothing happens, that yet keeps audiences glued to their seats". -Vivian Mercier - a description of Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot"

According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)

by fansince60 on Feb 1, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We definitely need to find the QB of the future, but we’re stuck with Fitzpatrick at least for next season. There are worse QBs… not many, but there are some.

by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

there alot worse than fitz,

having said that i like Brock Osweiller he will be there at the beginning of the 4th, and he can be the bills franchise QB think Big ben, Josh Freeman, and Joe Flacco,

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

That’s my vote as well.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 1, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to hear from the people that voted WR. Why do you believe that WR is a bigger need than pass rush? Honestly, it’s been so long since we’ve had a good one that I think people have forgotten just how important it is to a defense. Meanwhile, we get by with a group of 7th rounders and UDFAs at the receiver position and are still able to produce at a pretty good clip for half the year.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 1, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

I voted WR

But it barely edged voting DE.

I think that a fast, physically dominant WR – in the mold of Megatron or TO in his prime – like what Nix was talking about earlier this off season – could make our pass happy O really dangerous with all the other weapons we have. Dangerous O should lead to points early and often. That changes the dynamic for our D.

It takes pressure off the D, and all they have to do is keep the other team in check. They don’t need to be dominant – something we’re not even close to at this point in terms of personnel. For that we’d need some studs at LB.

Our D did OK in a lot of games. We should be stouter against the run, and with Williams and Dareus causing havoc in the middle of the line, I think that might be enough to generate pressure on the QB, which is what we’re really talking about with a pass rusher, right? We don’t need sack stats, we need the QB getting off his game and making bad throws.

Its a thought. I’m not convinced of this.

I had a drink the other day
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I was giving them away
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by oompaloompa on Feb 1, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. My only thing is that our offense was competent for at least half of, if not a little more of, the season. Our defense, outside of 3 games, was never the reason we were in games. A pass rush changes that dynamic almost instantly.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 1, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so sure about our offense. I think part of the reason the O started sputtering was because other teams figured us out – along with injuries. We were a fairly one dimensional finesse O. I think Chan hid weaknesses pretty well, but there’s only so much you can do with the personnel we have.

Hey, that goes for the D, as well.

Like I said, I don’t feel very strongly about this. I believe this now, but not that often.

I had a drink the other day
Opinions were like kittens
I was giving them away
-Modest Mouse

by oompaloompa on Feb 2, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

with Kyle and Dareus in the middle with kelsay and Carrington on the left side buffalo should sign Cliff Avril for RE and draft starters Zack Brown SLB, Chase Minnifield CB and George Iloka SS/SLB IMO players like George (6’4" 230LBS) have to be as important as a Gronk/Graham type TE

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Had to be the contrarian and vote WR.

Basic reasoning is that the penetrating style will suit Kyle and Marcell and getting Kyle back will help that inside pressure. Entering the season with an unproven Easley and disappointing Donald Jones as our starting WR’s would be crippling to this offense.

This league has shown us that you can win with a bad defense if your offense is dynamic. Even with the horrendous end to the year our offense still finished in the top half of the league in PTS/game and YDS/game.

If Stevie is re-signed then pass-rush goes back to #1 priority for me.

"I got no problem with 7-9 coming off of 4-12 as long as I don't buy a couch there, you got to keep moving" - Mike Schoop

by lonestar_ak on Feb 1, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

i think the main reason

Why everyone is thinking wr is a need, is because nix said it was. Nix saying that he would be bringing in a big wr got people enamored with the idea of a Jackson or bowe. Granted, we are lacking big time talent at the position, but I feel de, cb, olb, and tight end still trump wr. That is of course if we re sign Steve.

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-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Feb 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Definitely something to that

I wasn’t thinking WR as a real target this off season just because the way the SJ negotiations were going, especially when I heard that he wasn’t looking for top 10 money, but something more in the range of a solid option. It sounded like the team wasn’t going crazy over it, so it gave me the sense that maybe they think they can get along with the spare parts they’ve been doing it with so far. But when Nix said they’d like a big dominant guy, it clicked for me. HELL YES I’d like to see a dominant receiver on the team!

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by oompaloompa on Feb 1, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

thats how i feel

we are ok at WR, with Easly coming back. Jones still a young option, there is promise there. But the idea of a guy like V. ?Jackson, Bowe, Colston, Meachum, or Manningham makes it look like it is more of a need.

It is a need, but the Defense is still the main need.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Feb 1, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

im feelin' donnie avery

i know he’s an injury risk, but he’s awesome and should be affordable.

by dav630 on Feb 1, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

if they resign Stevie and can sign Desean or Vince then draft Ladarius Green in the 5th

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I say pass rusher... for now

The lack of a pass rush has been making the secondary look pathetic. Nobody can cover receivers for 10 seconds… and they shouldn’t have to.

Wide receiver still remains a bit of a mystery in that we still don’t know what we have in Marcus Easley. Hopefully, they get Stevie re-signed soon, and if we have Stevie, Easley, and Nelson to start next season, that seems like a reasonable group. However, losing Stevie to free agency would leave us without a #1 WR. If that happens, and they can’t adequately replace him through FA, then I think they will draft a WR in the first round, DE in the second. The draft appears to be deeper at stud DEs than stud WRs.

by SiriusRed on Feb 1, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't see any reason why we can't get both

If pressured hard enough to declare one, I’d say DE, but what I’d emphasize is a two-pronged heavy pursuit of these two positions. If there’s nothing else we do this offseason, we should acquire a high-quality or high-potential pass rusher and an NFL quality No. 2 WR, preferably with No. 1 potential. If that’s all we do, that’s a successful offseason in my eyes.

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by Dyl on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

cut merriman, florence, johnson, edwards and Kelsay and save 20 million, get CJ and Mcgee to rework there contracts, that should free up the money to sign Williams, Avril and Bowes or 1 of the Jacksons

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Potato/Potatoe -- DE or OLB -- it's pass rusher

I’m a draft guy as I don’t see OBD being able to pull the trigger on an elite FA in this area. Barnett was a great addition last year, but we don’t sign BIG $$ FA here. Whoever it is at Pick #10 — OLB or DE that can get to the QB, that’s what we need. Seems like everyone has an opinion on who is the best that might still be on the board at DE/OLB at our pick. Mario Williams is not coming here even if $$ was on the table. It’s a LONG way to the draft but I still LOVE the fact that we drafted Dareus last year over Peterson.

by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

but Cliff Avril and Bowes might

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It's real simple
Let’s get going, folks. Which of these two positions is the Bills’ biggest need? Should finding another target (or two) for Ryan Fitzpatrick be the focus, or should finding a pass rusher (or two) for Dave Wannstedt get priority?

They’re BOTH priorities.

Solve the former {WR} in free agency — either by resigning SJ or acquiring his replacement.
Solve the latter {pass rusher} in the draft — by picking up LB Courtney Upshaw in the first, and going after a pass-rushing DE in the second.

They’re both priorities: the only difference is how/where you solve them.

Simple.

.

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by go_buff on Feb 1, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be pissed because we need pass rushers.......

……. but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Buddy grab the Golden Domer Floyd. Dude is a beast.

Fortunately, he won’t be there for us at 10, so we all get our pass rusher.
Yay!

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 1, 2012 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

We need a pass rusher.

DJ — decent. D-Nel — great slot. Easley — might work out.

But the Pass Rushing OLB slot? was horrible this year to a scary degree. We need to shore that up for sure AND get Lights Out on the field for some of the year if we’re doing alright next year.

If Ryan Fitzpatrick does not take the Bills to the Big Game, ever, I will run through Harvard's campus wearing a Yale jersey. I am that sure. Or that crazy.

by Orlando John on Feb 1, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

you all know they have made it official they have switched back to the 43, so they should be aggressive in signing Cliff Avril and take Zack Brown for our SLB and best WR or CB in the second

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

receivers

the reason the bills gave for trading lee evans was to evaluate the new talent! WHERE IS IT? evans was dumped for 1 reason, to get rid of 1 of the highest salaries on the team!!! he’s gone but WHERE is all the talent that was supposed to step up?

by sabre4264 on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

That talent they wanted to evaluate went on IR right after training camp ended when it came down with a mysterious heart ailment. Then, a couple of games in, Roscoe Parrish goes on IR. That pretty much destroyed the depth.

by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 7:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

simple

on the one hand there is a, let´s say, not elite but quite good WR corps.
on the other hand, there is no serious pass rusher on the roster afaics.
so, if we want to make the playoffs in the next couple of years the first need is to hire an excellent pass rusher. simple as that.
concerning the WR-corps it depends on a) resignment of SJ, and b) the status of easley´s health. but, it might be a justifiable step to hire a talented, tall and – most important – fast WR on the FA-market…

by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 1, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Off Season Needs

Well seems like a good beard goes along ways in Buffalo! Jk. We need pass rushers!! And maybe squeeze in a pro -bowl caliber QB please!

No Worries. All Good.

by buffalobacker on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Pass Rusher (s). OLB and DE.

Moving back to the 4-3 if it becomes similar at all to what Feewell ran it would have to be pass rusher. Our defense wasn’t great back then and slightly above good, with no depth. Still it was no where near as bad as it has been since the 3-4 switch. We lacked linebackers back then and we still do now. At least now we have a head start in that area. Pass rushers plus the 4-3 would equal a solid defense, and another stepping stone to where we want to go.

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by VanScottM on Feb 2, 2012 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

fewells last year here the D was good, williams and shobel were great, mcgee and meklvin played well and Byrd was amazing, having said that if OBD signs Avril and drafts Zack Brown then they have solidified the D

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If I had to choose between just these two it would be pass rush

Having said that I still have NO idea how to address that need, I couldnt give you a name or names….I just think that position is the hardest to judge…I think it should be addressed in FA, not the draft.

The draft should be used to shore up the offense….i.e. WR,, oline etc….

If I really had a choice in biggest offseason need…..it would be better personnel and team management…thats a really big prob, from the head man on down to the coaching staff

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 2, 2012 2:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

stop complainning about buddy

i know the 2010 draft was a bit of a bust CJ has shown he will be a difference maker Carrington could prove to be a pretty good LE Toupe and Easley might be injury bust the 2011 draft was amazing out of 9 picks they had 6 starters by the end of the season, dareus shep williams searcy hairston rogers and jasper should be starter in 2012 as should they are for years to come if buddy has another draft like 2011 they are in good shape, but he has to go after big money FA

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

the head man is Ralph Wilson

I didnt specifically call out nix.

The score dictated they pass

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A tough call, but I said pass rush

However, I’m torn b/c the team has spent two seasons drafting and signing free agents on D (minus Spiller) and left Chan to work (pretty well considering) with spare parts on offense. Now imagine if they tried to acquire (via draft or FA) difference makers on offense. So, if the D isn’t going to be good this year, focusing on offense might let them outscore teams and might be a better strategy in the end.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 2, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

The biggest need of all... A RAZOR!!!

Has anybody else noticed that the longer Fitzpatrick’s beard grows, the worse he plays?

by SiriusRed on Feb 2, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Both in FA

no if ands or buts about it they have to sign Williams Avril or Mathis, and Bowes or 1 of the 2 Jacksons, then draft Zack Brown, Chase Minnifield, Bobbie Massie, Brock Osweiller, Brian Quick, Ladarius Green, George Iloka, Asa Jackson, Eric Page

by forlife on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

until Stevie is resigned the answer is WR

This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill

by poz on Feb 2, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Let' make it clear.......

The Buffalo Bills need two quality defensive ends and two quality wide receivers if we are going to compete in the post-season. And, obviously, we need help elsewhere too.
We need to add at least two quality free agents at those two positions before the draft.
And that’s the minimal needed to be done before the draft.

PodunkO - The great post ender!

by podunkowego on Feb 2, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

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