The best landing spot for Peyton Manning
by keysh67 on Feb 1, 2012 11:32 PM EST
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Some might think i'm crazy but hear me out first. No I am not suggesting making a run for the great Peyton Manning. I love the guy and think he's probably the best that has ever played but we are too many pieces away from the Superbowl.
As a huge Peyton Manning fan, I really would like to see him land somewhere where he can complete his legacy.
Let me say that I think both he and Jim Irsay have both agreed on the course of action and they are being careful and calculated about how they announce the breakup so that each one walks away with dignity without any backlash.
Facts:
Irsay can't pass-up getting Luck
The team cannot pay 50+ Million in 2012 to one position
Peyton has 3 years left maybe 4, he won't get another ring with a rebuilding team - he wants out.
Lets not forget that Peyton is a very rich man and doesn't need the money.
Lets also not forget that he has had 3 neck surgeries so if he comes back, which i think he will, its for only one reason - to get 1-2 more rings.
The team that should be considering a move should be Houston. Schaub is 31 years old and he's proven to be a very good QB. With Seattle, Washington, Cleveland and Arizona all really needing a serious upgrade at QB, Houston has great trade potential. Peyton doesn't want (or at least shouldn't want) to go to the Dolphins or Arizona because they won't get him to the superbowl twice in the next 3 years. The best option for that would be Houston, who has a great defense, great oline, great receiver & TE and an awesome running game. Bob McNair would ne crazy not to consider rolling out the red carpet for Peyton.
Peyton has never played on such a great team. If he can play again, that would be the absolute best landing spot both for him as well as them. They trade Schaub, get full of extra picks - draft another star receiver. The way TJ played tells me that he could very well be the future of the franchise anyway. Having TJ learn behind Peyton for a few years would really be an incredible way to groom the next franchise guy in Houston. Washington would jump all over Schaub for a 1st and 3rd, so really if I were Bob McNair, I'd call Rick into my office and explain to him what he needs to do the moment that Peyton gets released.
And before anyone brings up the card that Peyton would not go within the division, that's popycock! If the Colts release both Wayne and Manning the way I think they will, they are basically starting the rebuilding stage with new GM, new Head Coach, new DC & new OC both defense and offensive system change. So they won't be competitive for at least the next 2-3 years so it doesn't matter who is the Houston QB, the colts won't win many games against them in the next few years. Houston would be the perfect landing spot.
BTW: There is no way in hell that Peyton Manning would ever play for a loud mouth like Rex Ryan so I think the Jets are also off the table. The only two other potential places would be San Fran or Baltimore but I think Baltimore doesn't offer much more than one year of potential and the 49ers seem very content with Smith - but all three could be great spots for him. My money would still be on Houston.
I hope it happens because I'd like to see Peyton win a few more Superbowls before it's all said and done!
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Honestly
I think the best spot for Manning next season is on the sidelines. I just would be nervous about throwing him out there, with the reports I’ve read on his neck injury. I’d love for the guy to keep playing, but I think 1 more season off would be best for him.
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by mob16151 on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
had it done
I had a C4-7 cervical fusion 3 years ago and one graft didn’t take (like Manning). The metal, screws, etc. stabilize the neck, but, it’s the nerves that are the problem affecting arm strength.
The fact he tried a “procedure” or 2 first, then the fusion, tells me there were nerve problems there that have not been resolved.
He would likely be fine from hits, etc. (I’m “told” the titanium plate makes the neck stronger- wouldn’t want to test it), but, if he has pain in arms and weakness, he would not be the same Peyton.
I have been unable to resume my job as a result of my fusion. His is much more dependent on arm strength. I’d be surprised if he came back (and was successful).
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Gotta agree. I love him as a player – always have. I don’t want to see him paralyzed. Would have loved to have seen him win another ring or two (especially at the expense of knocking off Brady a time or two more), but go out now while you can. And if you love the game that much, get a job as a coach. He could probably have his pick off jobs all the way up the chain to OC somewhere.
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by thefourwinds on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is anyteam is a contender
With manning and by my sig suggests the colts can pass on luck
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by Gpluehri on Feb 2, 2012 12:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Manning's my favorite player
I’d love to see him play another five years (SF? DEN? SEA?), but if he can’t physically, I’d also love for him to take over CBS’ lead commentator job opposite Nantz for the next 30 years. I’m not a fan of Phil Simms’s work whatsoever.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
agreed
Simms annoys me and Peyton doesn’t seem to take himself too seriously. I think he could be insightful and add a touch of humor to the broadcast.
He is going to be in our lives one way or the other for a very long time to come
Incredible Quarterback
Charisma coming out the Wazoo
Funny like there’s no tomorrow
He is so smart and has been basically calling the offense for so long that he could be QB coach, OC and eventually Head Coach. By the time it’s all said and done, he could easily have 5-6 Rings as a player and as a coach.
But I truly hope he can play another 3-4 years and win a few more because I’m tired of the Brady/Manning debate which I think shouldn’t even be a debate but until he wins 1-2 more rings it’s hard not to have the discussion. Clearly he’s the better QB and i hope he gets the opportunity to put the debate to rest.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
but if he can’t physically, I’d also love for him to take over CBS’ lead commentator job opposite Nantz for the next 30 years.
For some bizarre reason, I hadn’t even thought of this. I just assumed if he wanted to stay around the game, he’d want to coach. But, yeah, we certainly could learn a lot from Manning as a color commentator.
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by thefourwinds on Feb 2, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Very colorful at that
With his sense of humor it would be great!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Denver
I would love to see him play for John Fox. I think Denver has a really good team and they could have gone far in the playoffs if Tebow wasn’t there QB.
And they could still use Tebow in a wild cat type of game as well.
Denver or SF would make the most sense.
Two good defenses.
Peyton Manning with Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, and Eddie Royal would be lethal.
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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 2, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I could see him in a few games
He SHOULD retire. From what Jason Cole said, his neck is not healing right. That said, if Eli wins on Sunday, he won’t retire.
If he doesn’t retire, the colts will waive him, along with their other stud guys and start over. If Peyton is waived, he will look towards:
Houston for the reason above
SF- can you picture him on THAT team?
Miami – strong defense, stud WR, decent OL
Wash – same as Miami
Jets – same as Miami and Washington
Denver – same as Miami
KC ditto
Maybe Chicago and Cleveland could be fits. Arizona hit pay dirt with Warner, could they hope lightning strikes again?
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
JAX..
No one is going to pay the steep cost of trading for him..so when he is released and hit the open market, the 5 reasons why the Jags make sense:
1. Gabbert was picked by the Old Coach…he is not Mularkey’s guy.
2. New owner wants to make a splash
3. Low attendance..bringing in Peyton sells tickets
4. Allows him to play the Colts twice per year for revenge.
5. If Gabbert is the long term answer, allows him at least 2 years to lean from Manning.
one big reason why it doesn't make sense
The Jags suck and they are FAR from being a Superbowl contender, which will be his number 1 criteria (for sure)
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Baltimore
They just signed Jim Caldwell as the QB coach and there a healthy Manning away from being Superbowl favorites. Yea there getting old, but how much does Manning have left in the tank? What’s interesting is Wayne is also a FA and unlikely to be franchised by the Colts. Would he take less money to sign on and play with Peyton for a few more years? Wayne Boldin Rice and Manning could make for a very scary offense.
I disagree with you're assessment of Miami
I’d say Miami was a competent QB away from making the playoffs. They were within five points or less of beating Cleveland, Denver, the Giants, Dallas, and New England (2nd game)
Miami has a good OL with a stud center and left tackle. They have a physical receiver in Marshall, and two smart receivers in Bess and Hartline. Manning doesn’t need great receivers. He needs smart ones. That’s why Stokley and Collie thrived. Manning runs the ultimate sight adjustment offense, and the receiver need to be smart.
The Dolphins also have a decent ground game, and Fasano isn’t bad at tight end. On defense, they need safeties and edge rushers.
Plus, Philbin is an offensive coach that can cater to Manning.
Buffalo isn’t strong, the Jets are in disarray, and the Pats are coming off a long season. Miami is way better than their 6-10 record showed. The won games with Matt Moore, who provided just competent QB play. If Miami drafts Upshaw or Ingram at 9, gets another tight end and a safety, Manning takes that team to 10 wins easily.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
My assessment was that Miami is not 1 QB away from making it to the Superbowl 2-3 times in the next 4 years.
My exact words were:
because they won’t get him to the superbowl twice in the next 3 years
I never said that Miami was crap, just that they aren’t in the same league as HOU, NE, BAL, SF
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I think they are
Their OL is as good as any of those teams, maybe except SF. Their defense is competitive. They’ve got better WR’s than Baltimore and SF.
Plus, do you see Baltimore ditching Flacco after the way he played in the AFC title game? Is Harbaugh going to go completely away from the power west coast offense?
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
All I was saying is that I don’t think Peyton want to go just anywhere. And basically I think that the Texans would be extremely wise to consider what I said. They could fetch some decent picks for Schaub and having Yates learn behind Manning would be genius. There doesn’t seem to be much down side to the proposal. I personally think it’s the best win/win proposal.
Obviously Miami will try to outbid everyone but Peyton is no fool and he has to realize that the owner in Miami is really unstable and so meddlesome that its got disaster written all over it. Their GM situation is crap as well.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
But, here’s the most important detail: Peyton is going to interview the teams, not the other way around. He wants a good team that will drop what it currently does and adjust completely to Manning.
I don’t think a whole lot of teams are willing to do that. Miami would be one of the teams that would.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
I’m not sure that I fully agree with you. Peyton is smart and can learn a different system, as long as it’s similar.
Honestly DJ, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that he accepts to go to Miami. Writing these words made me realize another angle here… Maybe Peyton would get caught up in the fact that he could maybe do what the great Marino was never able to? Nope, I don’t think so. I have to think that Manning wants a chance at multiple rings and Miami is too far away. Manning won’t go to Miami, impossible IMO
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Re Miami
There is 1 big attraction and 1 big negative as well.
The attraction being the chance to play Brady 2 (or maybe 3) times a season.
The BIG negative is that his chances of winning a superbowl are greatly diminished. Even though Miami are not crap as you point out, they are in the same division as NE which would almost certainly relegate Peyton to needing to get to the SB from the #5 or #6 seed !
I think Peyton is likely to want to go to a team who (with him there) is likely to win their division and contend for a first round bye. That gives him the greatest chance to win a superbowl and that’s why it’s less likely to be Miami.
SF on the other hand would make huge sense in that regard – but will they throw Alex Smith under the bus just after he got competant ?
Houston is clearly a major target and makes the most sense from that standpoint. I’m not sure we’ll see Manning in the AFC East, I doubt he’ll wind up facing the Steelers twice a year, the AFC West is possible – but the teams are too weak, NFC East no chance, and I see no chance he ends up in the NFC North or South (all the best teams there are set at QB).
For me it’s his current division, or the AFC and the NFC West (or retirement)
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no way does he go to the Texans
Idk where he will go but Schaub is a great QB. No reason to get rid out of him.
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Texans is a great fit- they don’t have the cap, and aren’t in desperate need of a “franchise qb”. so while, i have suggested it in the past, I recognize that the situation for Peyton would be great, that doesn’t mean it will happen.
The team cannot pay 50+ Million in 2012 to one position
not sure where you have the impression that luck would make 22 million in a year. that is inaccurate. Peyton is scheduled to make 28, right? Luck’s entire rookie contract will probably be closer to 22… for 4 years.
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no………. he is scheduled to get a $28 mil for a roster bonus on March 8th i believe. That is just a bonus, not his salary. I think his salary is around $18 mil for next season, then add in the $6 mil for luck which would be guarenteed and you get the $50 mil plus. So it is very unlikely that the colts would eat the $28 mil just to trade him. Financially, it makes more sense just to cut him to save that $28mil. Not unless Peyton only takes part of that. I think they said on ESPN that Peyton and Irsay were going to meet after the SuperBowl, probably to discuss this very thing.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
well then it seems perfectly clear
that Manning will be elsewhere. No possible way they can pay him 46 million to probably not even play.
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Yea, Indy is in a tough situation. Money wise, Peyton is just untradeable just because of that roster bonus. And even if the Colts wanted to keep Peyton, and trade out of the number one pick to get a boat load of picks, they can’t because of the money, puts them way over the Cap. Tough situation.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 2, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
not really
cut him. easy peasy.
hahaha.
seriously… I don’t really think it is complicated, and most people feel it is kinda a foregone conclusion. I am one of those people. You can’t pay him that kind of money, to maybe only be a liability.
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Personally, from what i have read, I think that the injury is not as big of a concern to the colts as some might think. I think, just my opinion, that the reason Polin was let go was because of the financial situation that the Colts are in now. It is limiting there options as a franchise. They could keep Peyton and trade out of the number one pick and get a boat load of draft picks, but at the current time, this isn’t even an option. That roster bonus is bigger bone of contention then i think some people are willing to admit.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 2, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Manning has a great agent
He has all the leverage here. Imagine if the bonus wasn’t so high, he could be trade-able and I’m sure he’d hate that. Now he will ne gracefully released (thank you very much for the beautiful years…) and he gets to go where he wants, somewhere where he gets a real shot at a few more rings.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
yep, it also makes you wonder how much of that $28 mil. is owed to Manning anyway. The media keeps focus on the injury concern, but i’m thinking alot of this money is a past signing bonus, and maybe previous seasons roster bonus to stay under the cap so they could resign the likes of Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday and sign Mathis. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of these guys are FA’s all at the same time, except for Clark. It wouldn’t surprise me if the $20 out of 28 was owed anyway.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 3, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Arizona
I know they dumped a bunch of money into Kolb just last year, but Manning will want to go to a place where he has the weapons and a strong enough defense to make a run at the ring. AZ might be ready to walk away from Kolb -they should’ve never given him that contract anyways.
But either way, I think the the main stumbling block is Kolb’s contract which may end up prohibiting Manning from going there. But otherwise, there is no other team that is better prepared for Manning to enter the equation.
I think the Texans have, what they believe, is a franchise QB in Schaub. I’m not sure they would want to take the risk of essentially discarding Schaub for Manning who may not return to pre-injury form. I think it is a risk and some teams will be better suited to handle that risk. I think if I’m the Texans and if I believe Schaub is a franchise QB, I would not swap him out for a risky Manning.
San Francisco or Denver. Maybe even Minnesota.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions
Not Minnesota
He wont even make the playoffs there – GB should win that division and the Lions and Bears are well ahead of the Vikings – even if they added Manning they’d be lucky to go 3-3 in that division – not a likely playoff team.
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I like your thinking
I honestly thought that if Peyton were to be released his best options would be Arizona or San Fran, but you’ve convinced me otherwise. I figured Houston has Schaub so they wouldn’t bite but I could definitely see it happening. The Texans easily could’ve got to the AFC Championship and possibly the Super Bowl had a legit QB been under center. Great defense, run game and top 3 WR. Peyton would love to play on that team and against the Colts twice a year. It wouldn’t be Favre esque, but he would love to beat them. I also could see Tennessee going after him, but Houston obviously is the more attractive offer.
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I also could see Tennessee going after him
Even after spending a first on Jake Locker last season?
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IMO TEN is way too far away to be on Peyton’s radar screen.
My whole argument was that Peyton gets to choose. Obviously many teams will want him, why not? But I really think he’ll only consider Superbowl contenders because he’s in a position to be able to do so. He obviously does not need the money so he is going to choose the absolute best destination to get a few more rings.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Too far away from...
Indy? or a Championship run? Tennessee is where Peyton went to college and he loved it there. The fans love him. It’s a warm weather city which I have held firmly that Manning will go to a dome team or a warm weather team. Definitely not NY or Baltimore like other people seem to think. The Titans also have Chris Johnson, who underperformed last year, but still one of the top ten backs in the league. They also have Kenny Britt, which I believe any team on Manning’s radar will have a big play WR in place. Larry Fitz in Zona, Johnson in Houston, 49ers have Crabtree/Vernon Davis. Tennessee fans have already started recruiting Manning ala the way we did with Bill Cowher. I’m sure the result will be the same but the possibility is definitely there. He would like to stay in the AFC South if he can I’m sure.
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