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Teams Can Carry Over Unused Cap Space

Just read this on PFT, and I'd usually submit it as a fanshot, but I think this news is a bit of higher importance.

Basically to get down to it, the folks at PFT are continuously reviewing the new CBA to find things that might be relevant to current situations, and they just found a biggy. According to the new CBA teams can carry over the unused cap space from one year to the next simply by having the owner write a letter to the league within two weeks of the end of the league year citing their intention to do so.

Think about that for a second, that means that the Bills can overspending on next year's cap by 20.9M dollars. That is a HUGE advantage when it comes to free agency, The Bills (and just about every other team that left huge amounts of money under the cap) can go out and give more money to big names on extremely front loaded contracts.

Take this scenario for example. The Bills could go out and sign Vincent Jackson to a 5 year, 48M dollar contract and have the first year pay him 15M and have the other 4 years pay him an average of 8.25M, making the deal much more manageable on the future cap as well. So if teams get creative, and smart, on how they spend they can save up one year, build threw the draft, then apply that amount to the next year in free agency and become an instant contender.

Now Nix has already stated that the Bills will spend to their cap this year. It also turns out that the Bills cap will be 20 million dollars higher than the league's cap. This should make us a very aggressive team in free agency, and could make us a considerably better team for next season.

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Maybe, but they wont overspend on the entire 20M
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i really hope the bills get their sh!# in order

For this free agency.

I would spend all of the bonus 20 million on Marrio, then with the original cap, I would resign Steve and bring in a guy like garcon.

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by billsoferie on Feb 12, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is the key..........
…simply by having the owner write a letter to the league within two weeks of the end of the league year citing their intention to do so.

Did this happen? We don’t know yet.
If it didn’t, why not? Did OBD not know the rules of the new CBA? That would be unacceptable.
OR
Did Ralph and Buddy choose not to use this option? Again, unacceptable.

I demand a press conference first thing tomorrow morning Buddy!!!!

Assemble the villagers, break out the pitchforks and torches!! We’re going to the castle to burn the monster!

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

OBD, and other under-the-cap teams, have until February 28 to declare any amount of unused cap to carry over. It can be all of it, none of it, or any amount in between.

My guess is that no carryover will occur.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 12, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that no carryover will occur

This is my fear.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Assemble the villagers, break out the pitchforks and torches!! We’re going to the castle to burn the monster!

Love it SMT – this may need to be my new Sig if we don’t carry over the cap money.

Perhaps Ralph is a cunning old b@stard afterall and has been penny pinching so he can have one last hurrah in free agency (A man can dream right ??)

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

A couple questions come to mind

1) If we roll over 8 million from 2011, and then finish 2012 20 million under the cap, are we able to once more roll over that 8 million that came from 2011 into 2013, or are we only able to roll over the “new” cap money of 12 million into 2013?

2) If we roll over this money from 2011 and spend right up to the new cap, will those contracts be sustainable in the long term (more than, say, 2-3 years down the road) or will this only be effective in the very short term (1-2 years)?

If it’s only very short term, it would make sense to give someone like Mario Williams a giant amount of guaranteed money and a slightly modest yearly average. E.g. a 5-year 60-70 million guaranteed (rather than maybe 50 under normal circumstances) + 30 to 40 over the last 4 years of the contract.

This way, if the roll over only helps us in the short term, we can take a slightly risky move by giving more money upfront and absorb a much bigger cap hit in the short term roll-over year and thus only pay a relatively modest yearly rate that won’t hamstring us cap wise 2-5 years down the road — if I’m using the the theory correctly.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

You are thinking exactly like me.

Write the contracts so we take the hit THIS year and not so much down the road. It will keep us cap-healthy.

Structure Stevie’s contract like this:
2012 – 12 mill
2013 – 7 mill
2014 – 7 mill
2015 – 6 mill
That’s 32 million for 4 years and make 20 of it guaranteed.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oof

I post too quickly. I just realized CBF mentioned front-loading contracts.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that it goes year by year.

So say that the 2012 cap is 130M, then we’re allowed to use 150M. But if we only use 120M, then we’re spending 10M under the cap so we could only carry 10M over to 2013. That’s what would make the most sense to me when you look at the wording.

each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next

From 1 year to the next mean to me mean money under the ca from that one year.

And your right, spend up to the full extra amount could have disastrous implications in the long term if the contracts aren’t spread out correctly. So this very well could be a double edged sword.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

I doubt you could carry the unused 2011 to 2012 and then again to 2013 etc etc – teams could “save” for 5 or 6 years and then whack 200 million of cap into 1 year – would make no sense to allow that – goes against creating an even league.

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That means a team like Buffalo can do exactly what you said.

- Sign folks like Mario Williams, Stevie Johnson, Vincent Jackson… And front load their contracts for 2012, bringing their 2013-end of contract money down to something the team can afford.

Eg: Williams. If Buffalo wants to sign Williams, to a 8 year, $100 million contract, this 2012 cap dollars, buy themselves, allows Buffalo to pay him ~$13 million. What if they put $10 million of the 2011 cap towards Williams. That would mean his 2012 salary would be $23 million, and the rest of the deal would be 7 years for $77 million, at a very affordable $11 million per year.

Then resign Johnson, at 4/$32. with $9 million from the 2012 cap and $5 million from the 2011 cap. Johnson would get $13 million in 2012, and the rest would be 3 years for $19 million, at a very affordable ~$6.33 million per season.

This cap rule, if Buffalo takes it, could allow Nix to do some great things.

Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 12, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

If we're all looking at this correctly

and Mario Williams becomes a FA, I’m starting to think I’ll be livid if he doesn’t become a Bill but for two reasons

1) He doesn’t want to be
2) His injury is somehow worse than everyone thinks.

The Bills cap space + needing a DE + opportunity to snag a very talented DE makes way too much sense for this not to happen.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking the same thing IF he becomes a UFA.

But I still think that the Texans will tag and trade him before they let him walk. But one can dream.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

At that point, I think I’d be fine with sending a 1st round pick away for Williams.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck I’d be fine with sending them this year’s first and second and next year’s first and 3rd. And i honestly think that that might be what it would take.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa! That’s crazy talk for one dude.

I want him on our team too, but not at the risk of all those picks.
What if he gets hurt in camp? Then we are toast, and without all those picks.

Plus, this is kind of a moot point. The Texans don’t have the cap room to tag him.
They have Andre Johnson and a bunch of other guys that cost a lot of money, and they need to sign their all-pro RB to a long-term deal.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I think that it would take something in between the Allen trad (one 1st and two 3rds) and the Cutler trade (two 1st’s, a 3rd and Kyle Orton which is essentially a 4th).

So your right my first assessment was a bit much. How does this year’s 1st and 3rd and next years 2nd and 4th sound?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t like it brother.
Let’s just sign Free Agents that will improve our team now, that don’t cost us draft picks.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. Mario Williams would be too expensive for us in a trade. The price tag is only affordable to teams that are making a championship run and can afford to give away that many picks… like the Patriots for example. F@%*!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Patriots for example. F@%*!

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be a nightmare!

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I actually see it as a possibility. Again, F@%*!

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The #10 pick

would be a fair carrot for a team like the Texans who are on the cusp of greatness. They’d be able to land a top rookie at a position of need there – it’s likely a better deal than say 2 x late 1sts from the Pats.

I would officially hate NE more than I do now if they somehow got Mario Williams. I’m sick of FA’s going there to win titles and making up for a lot of NEs crappy drafting over the last 8 or so years (They have hit on some draft picks like Gronk, Mankins, Hernandez and Mayo but missed on oh so many)

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

This cap rule, if Buffalo takes it, could allow Nix to do some great things.

It very well could, IF the Bills take advantage of it. And I’m very much hoping that the Bills take FULL advantage of the rule. I’m thinking that we probably wont though, but the hypothetical can get so much more interesting knowing this is available.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Chandler could be handled this way

2012 – 3 mill
2013 – 2 mill
2014 – 1.5 mill
2015 – 1.5 mill

A four year, 8 mill contract with 4 guaranteed. He’ll be a happy boy.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think that CHandler would laugh a that offer.

2 Million a year for a guy that can catch 6TD’s is an insult when that player is on the open market, regardless of position.

I’ve been saying for a while now that Chandler will fetch between 4 and 6 million per year on the open market, so the Bills might as well tag him for 5.5M.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

I want Chandler back on this team. But he is a so-so blocker and is just kind of a middle of the road TE in this league.
Look at what the big guys’ cap numbers are for 2012.
Davis 8m. Clark 7.3. Zach Miller 7. Gates 6.9. Heath Miller 6.6. Owen Daniels 6.5. Winslow 6.4.
Let’s be honest. He is not elite.

Let’s look at some 2nd Tier kinda guys:
Fasano 4.4 mil. Greg Olsen 4.1. Keller 3.9. Heap 3.3. Celek 3.1. Gresham 2.6. Scheffler 2.0 Pettigrew 1.8.
Do you consider Chandler better than any of these guys? I’ll give you Heap, since his career is just about over.

After these guys, most TE’s average around 1 mill per year or less!
So, to summarize my opinion, I think that a four year, 8 mill contract to Chandler is quite fair for him.
For that money, he could live off of $200,000 for the next forty years.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed if you go by those metrics, but early indications from thisoffseason are showing that we can throw those metrics right our the window.

Because if Free Agency has thought us anything is that agents and players don’t go by 2-3 year old deals as a metric, they go by the deals and extensions signed within the last season and a half. So with that in mind we can take a look at what’s happening now and go from there.

The Titans have already re-signed Chris Stevens (a blocking TE) to 4+ million per year. The Packers and Finley are negotiation something in the range of 8 to 9 million (as Finley has already indicated that if the Packers tag him he’ll put in a grievance to be considered a WR on the tag because he spent more time there last year). Fred Davis (the Wash TE) is also lining himself up to put that same grievance in when the Redskins will tag him. And there’s already talk of the Pats extending Gronk at somewhere along the same lines as Finley (aka they’ll wait to what the Finley deal is and go from there).

Fact is that during the last 2 season the TE position has greatly been re-invented, and the salaries are adjusting. TE’s are no longer seen as an extra RT that can catch (and let’s be honest, that’s what their salaries pretty much lined up to be). But now they’re more being seen as a receiver that can also line up on the line.

So the deal that Chris Stevens has already signed, as well as the deal that Finley and Fred Davis will sign will affect every single TE contract there after. So my money is on Chandler getting around 5M.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you certainly made some valid points. The TE position is going up in value and cost.

5 mill is pretty steep, because Chandler is not even a top 15 TE. I could maybe live with 3 mill a year for him, but even that is kinda high.
Especially if Chan fails again to use him enough.

Actually, that’s it right there! If Chan plans on actually utilizing his skills properly this year, then pay the man!
If Chan plans on just ignoring him for over half the season again, running 4 and 5 wide most of the time, then don’t bother.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, that’s it right there! If Chan plans on actually utilizing his skills properly this year, then pay the man! If Chan plans on just ignoring him for over half the season again, running 4 and 5 wide most of the time, then don’t bother.

My thoughts exactly!

But to me he should be earning more than Stevens is going to get with the Titans. So I’m looking at a price tag of at least 4.5M.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that is way too much to pay Chandler. 1st off, the TE position is not a major factor in this offense. I don’t think he even ranked last season inside the top 20 at his postition. He probably doesnt’ start for many teams in the league, so why over pay for him? I’m sure Bennett would come cheaper then 4.5 million. And, in an offense which uses the TE alot, he couldn’t even make that team, so again why over pay for him? Doesn’t make sense to me, just my opinion.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 12, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

What I’m saying is that THIS YEAR that won’t be over paying. But I’ll agree that it’s more than I’d be willing to pay him.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 12, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

So my money is on Chandler getting around 5M.

All the more reason to nab a good one in round 2 of the draft. You’d get a likely upgrade as well as saving yourself approx 4 million of cap room – seems to make a boatload of sense to me !

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Really

he’s on par with a guy like Fasano, but I’d hate to pay him 4.4 million ! Keller, Gresham and Pettigrew are on rookie contracts so you really cannot use them to compare. In reality you just bracketed him at between 3.1 and 4.4 million. I, like you, would be disgusted to pay him that much – but if it’s the “going rate” …..

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Wowsers how did i miss that

I this is true buffalo could theoretically get williams vjax and johnson with money to spare

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by Gpluehri on Feb 12, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Here's a little more clarity (not much) from PFT:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/minimum-cash-spend-will-be-based-on-unadjusted-cap-numbers/

The jist of it is: If you roll the money forward, you do not have to re-adjust your cap floor spending. It does not increase. That’s a win.

But, you are allowed to exceed the cap based on the money you rolled forward if you want to sign FAs or sign your own dudes long-term. Another win.

So, any team that does not bother to roll it forward are complete buffoons. Because by rolling forward, you can structure contracts you get signed that will save you cap space in later years of contracts.
If that makes sense.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

It all makes sense now!

After last years offseason I was pretty pissed that Nix didn’t do more. If they take advantage of this new rule I will now know why they didn’t get more aggressive, and i’ll have a ton of respect for Nix not caving to Fans like me who wanted Poz to stay and more linemen.

by BillsofVA on Feb 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

i don't know what to vote now.

Other than two thumbs up. I like that it means we were frugal for a reason, and that it will provide us ammunition to make a jump. I know that he has consistently said they aren’t likely to “make waves” in free agency, but give our overall needs, their quantity, and their nature, to not consider a few key veterans, in key spots (CB, DE/OLB, WR) our team can literally take on a whole new dynamic. This also makes me more optimistic for Steve’s signing, as I am sure we recognize other teams will be willing to pay him. I think maybe, we might be waiting to see what kinds of offers he gets, to decide if he is worth 5-6, ot 9-11. He literally could command almost any amount of money, depending on how other teams look at him. I think he fits nicely, at 8. I think that SD will be looking to re-sign V Jackson for as much as we could offer as well, and so why leave sunny California, and Philip Rivers, for cold winters, and Ryan Fitzpatrick? Only for money, or a change of scenery…

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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 12, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

the only problem

is that we are not the only team with a lot of cap to possibly carry over – so it’s possible that the top FAs could command even more than we think this year – which could put a guy like Stevie at a higher price should he hit the open market. There are around 10 teams with similar amounts of cap to us to carry over (some higher, some lower)

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i hear you

But the fact remains that we are on a deadline, to sign him before he reaches the “open market” of those teams. Since it has yet to happen, there is reason to believe that it might not happen. I chalk it up to a calculated risk, and that I for one, would NOT be disappointed if we pulled the trigger and paid him, basically whatever. I think we would be an even bigger joke if we can’t even sign one of our best players, when our pretty much uncontested starting QB has given an open endorsement, Steve has clearly stated this is where he wants to be (who WANTS to play in Buffalo? Rarely anyone.) and he has already broken FRANCHISE records. I mean, in the history of forever. I just don’t see any reason not to do it. Endzone celebrations? give me a 15 yard automatic penalty on every single TD he scores. wouldn’t even bat an eye. TDs are the most exciting part of the game. Celebrating that is about as understandable as anything in the sport. The penalty itself is harder to explain, than celebrating a TD.

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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Crap

unsure why the last post didn’t “reply” must be drunk !

Re the celebrations – I’d be happy to draw 20 × 15 yard penalties if he caught 20 TDs. I get the anger about it, but surely a TD is a “greater good” than a 15 yard penalty is a negative.

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

indeed

i concur. that is how I see it, though i understand people getting frustrated with shenanigans. I just don’t see the fuss made, about a few silly mistakes, especially when the officials were inconsistent on deciding what was, and what was not a penalty -because “Why So Serious” was applauded and loved by most fans, and drew no penalty, while “Happy New Year” delivered the same way, did. That is more an example of him being a victim of the league’s inconsistency.

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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I agree

I’m not saying don’t pay him – if anything my point was that with other teams having extra cap as well we NEED to pay him before he hits FA (Or at least tag him). My point was more that a guy like V Jax might be even more expensive when 10 or so teams potentially have boat loads of free cap to spend and he could easily fetch 10 – 12 mill on the open market (VJax) when some teams have excess cap.

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by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 2:32 AM EST reply actions  

no doubt

I don’t disagree. I just am not sure if he will command as much on the open market, so i suggest it is conceivable that by allowing other teams in the “bidding” we will have a better, more accurate assessment, of what most feel his overall worth is. To me, he is worth whatever he can command, and that is based on fair market value, as with any commodity. Something is worth, what you can charge for it, ultimately. In the simplest terms of supply and demand, at least.

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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

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