Buffalo Bills May Choose To Carry Over $21M In Cap Space
by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills had $20.9 million in free salary cap space in 2011, according to Pro Football Talk. The same report claims that a change to the league's collective bargaining agreement could keep that money useable in the future for the Bills and other teams with cap to burn. Mike Florio explains:
Under Article 13, Section 6(b)(v) of the CBA, each team may carry over any remaining cap room from one year to the next by submitting written notice, signed by the owner of the team, to the league office no later than 14 days before the start of the next league year. The written notice must indicate the maximum amount of cap room that the team wishes to shift from one cap year to the next.
As Florio asks in this article, why wouldn't a team that wishes to be competitive carry that money over? The only answer is budgetary.
Clearly, this is a question that Bills fans will be asking clear through the end of February. Buffalo had the sixth-most free cap space in 2011. In the team's cash-to-cap philosophy, this cap space could add another free agent contract to the mix. With an extra $21 million to spend, Buffalo could add two or three years to a new Stevie Johnson deal, or perhaps cover bringing back Scott Chandler.
Teams must submit their letters by February 28. It remains to be seen if the Bills, or any team for that matter, will carry over their salary cap excess from 2011.
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Please forgive me as its early and I’ve been working way too much, does this mean if we carry the $21 million that we would have an extra $21 million above and beyond the current salary cap this year?
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Then what happens the season after this, if your 21 million over the cap?
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Nothing….It’s only if you DIDN’T use to the league cap number the year before. I assume. I haven’t quite wrapped my head around this one yet.
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Thats why Im confused to
You carry over 21 million, so that gives you 42 million in cap space, now I thought assuming you use lets say 30 million of it, can you carry over the other 12 million, or are you 9 million over the cap?
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I think you are right
they get the extra 21 Mil THIS YEAR, then are over that amount if they spent to the limit. This is a terrible idea for Buffalo. It’s a great idea if a team is making a push for the SB.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
It would seem as though they can only carry over what they didn’t spend as part of the original cap space…NOT what they carried over…so If they spend to the cap and cut into that 21 million, next year they are above the cap!
It doesn’t matter anyways, If we can’t even spend the money we are allowed, why would Ralph pony up possibly over 40 million more dollars…not going to happen!
I think your confused. I'll try to explain it more clearly.
This year we finished the season 21M under the cap. So in 2012 we take the league cap (say 130M) and we can add another 21M to that.
BUT If we stay under the cap (say we only use 125 of the allowed 130M) we then CANNOT carry over the still unused 21M plus the new 5M into 2013. Once 2013 comes around they take a look at how much we were under the LEAGUE cap (in this hypothetical situation 5M) and allow us to go over the 2013 cap by 5M.
It re-adjusts ever year and is only taken into consideration by the league cap and not the teams cap. Or at least that`s how I understood it, as the rule says that the team can carry over the remaining cap for 1 year to the next. It does not say that you can carry caps from multiple seasons.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
There's no such thing as the "team's cap."
The league cap is the team’s cap… Is this essentially like getting an income tax return. I’m sure this was the players’ way of making sure teams are recycling money to the players. Now the thing I don’t understand is… how does this not screw a team over into exceding NEXT year’s cap? If Buffalo pays it’s players $130 million, and then uses the cap credit, pushing them to $150 million, what the hell are they going to do next year when they are $20 million over the cap?
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
there was a discussion in a recent fanpost...
about this whole situation. the way i understood it, they need to structure the contracts properly to take full advantage. for example, a lot of people want us to sign mario williams. if the front office sets up his contract to load the bulk of the money up front, they pay much, much smaller amounts each following year. i believe the example given was a 7 year contract when year one gives williams something like $25 mil, then bumps it down to like $12-15 the following year, and so on. this will open up more cap space each year and we still get our highly paid FA or even multiple FA’s if they set it up right.
by Shadowfox524 on Feb 13, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
That was actually my fanpost. But yeah that’s exactly it, contract structure.
And ForeighArrow is right, this could very easily be a double edge sword that screws you in the future if you don’t structure the contracts properly.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
If buffalo sends in the letter. They.would get an extra 21 million on top of the cap this year. If they.had a cap of 150 million it would now be 171 million. This would allow them to sign more players. Here is the catch next year it goes back down to 150 million. There is a very easy way around this front loading contracts.
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by matthew62 on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
But abase salary can only drop so much from year to year correct?
Or is that the NHL?
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Must be the nhl front loading contracts is a common practice in the nfl.
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by matthew62 on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think there is a rule for that in the NFL also
I am not sure what it is, but it only applies to base sallary. I think most front loading of contracts is done in the form of huge signing and roster bonuses that dont apply to the rule.
Your point is still valid though that a team should be able to set up the contract in a way that wont be a problem in future years, and would be a big attraction for FA signing over a team that might be a more attractive team, but is cap bound.
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30% year to year salary difference restriction. It's a newer rule that went into affect last offseason
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by MarinoTheBill on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'm available as well
NOT sending in the letter would be an act of gross stupidity on the part of this franchise in the sense that it is always wise to keep your options open. How much of that $21 million they eventually choose to spend is another question — given their financial constraints I doubt they will spend all of it — but they should give themselves the leeway since it doesn’t cost them anything besides the postage to do so.
What "financial constraints" would that be ?
The Bills are enormously profitable
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You still have to pick impact players….now what?
by rexachss on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You can get more of them…..(also increasing odds of finding them)
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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Show us the baby, buddy....
To me, this the most important offseason story.
It’s seems clear to me, that if the Bills wanted to get good in 2012 they could….
We could get two wrs. – a pass rusher and iron-out smaller problems ( like TE and LT) before the draft.
Then nail the draft, get the other DE, the SOLB, another CB and fill-out the roster.
The Bills with Kyle, Barnett, george, and Fitz are built to now. With the left tackle situation ironed out, we have an offensive line to compete with anyone. With the two wrs. we have the skill positions to compete, with a high quality FA DE and another solid defensive draft we have the D to compete.
Then, it all comes down to attrition and desire and we can be super fans knowing our team did all it could to compete.
Man, that would feel awesome.
GO BILLS!
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Ohhhhh........
And Fred!
How could I forget Fred!
Fred is definitely built too win now! He’ s the most important <>£¥ player!
Go Bills!
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Mario Williams
6 year / 90 mil
yr 1: 25M
yr 2-6: 13M
Go get him
Question.....
Seeing how Shawn Merriman is such an unusual case…… A young guy, super talent, major, major, injuries…..
I wonder if anybody knows how long Buddy can keep him to see how he is coming along…. And if shawn can’t do it, waive him and save the cap-space money.
Cold question man.
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Isn’t a bit of a problem to anyone else if the team decides not to spend any of that money this offseason? If they don’t, i’ll question their desire to win until the day they’re sent packing.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions
Question if they request 21 extra million then have 41 million extra this season could they request that 41 million extra for next season.
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by matthew62 on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
your doubling up somewhere where you shouldn't be.
As i explained above (and i think i did my homework properly on this) it goes on a year to year basis.
So in 2011 the Bills were 21M under the cap.
Which mean in 2012 they can take that year’s cap (say 130M) and add 21M to it. Simple as that.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I fully understand the concept, but, when I read “carry over $21 MM in cap space”, I take that to mean they aren’t spending it this year. So, with that understanding, I agree with you and would also question the desire to win (or at least try to get better)!
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According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
They are carring over 21 million in cap space to this year if they choose to.
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by matthew62 on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
thanks! So, I think I have it now. The $21MM is 2011 $$$ and can be carried over to the league year that starts in a few weeks – so they can “add” it to the 2012 cap. I misunderstood it as a mechanism to avoid spending in 2012 by carrying it over to “next year”.
Thanks again for clarifying.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? So you’re saying they’d have an extra 21 mil to use this year? Admittedly, I don’t understand most financial jargon, but I thought this meant they could choose not to spend anything extra this year and use it next year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalo was 20.9 million under the cap in 2011. Buffalo can choose to carry that 20.9 million over to this years cap.
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by matthew62 on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Now I follow. Apologies. I’m a right brain thinker.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
You mean......
You don’t now?
Ralph has been pocketing that 20 to 30 mill per season more often than not since Kelly left…..
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by podunkowego on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Know......
If you don’t know…..
Sorry.
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by podunkowego on Feb 13, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You know who else just signed a ton of free agents...???
The Philadelphia Iggles. I agree with adding talent but not just for the sake of adding it, for God’s sake. I think Bills would be wise to go after some free agents, but if they come to Buffalo for the money and a front-loaded contract then we don’t need them. Do you think guys will play as hard if they’ve most of their money in a signing bonus already? Some would, some wouldn’t.
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 13, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.....
As always, it is better to spend money wisely than foolishly.
But there iis no doubt that there are players out there that could make the Bills good.
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I Love The Idea, But...
I have been watching this team for FAR too long to believe Ralph Wilson would ever CONSIDER spending so much as one dollar more than the league mandated minimum.
It would be awesome to see the Bills activate this option and then run out and resign Stevie while also adding Mario Williams, Brandon Carr, and Vincent Jackson at the same time. All of which they could probably do with this rule, even if they only signed a couple of them to MASSIVE 1 year deals so they don’t cripple themselves next season.
It would also be nice if all prejudice were erased, all wars ended, and there was permanent world peace beginning tomorrow morning.
Honestly, I think option #2 is probably more likely to actually happen…
by SabreNation on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think Ralph spent money.......
During the Kelly days and when Levy came back….
I think when Chuck Knox was here too……
I think the rest were huge profit years.I don’t want to defend Wilson, just the truth…..
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by podunkowego on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know about Knox…Knox left because Wilson refused to give him a raise even though Knox had brought the team out of the cellar and into the playoffs as division champs in 3 years.
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by thefourwinds on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Is that right?
I remember, it being big news that Ralph hired a big time coach in the first place. And Knox certainly built a contender for awhile. It was great fun watching that team. Jerry butler, the Bermuda triangle, if only butler and Shane Nelson stayed healthy……
For some reason I’m blacked out on knox’s departure, but I would not doubt that Wilson wouldn’t go that extra mile. Just like he wouldn’t for will wolford. I think the bean counter is an evil presence in ralph’s ear…..wormtounge.
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A) The extra $21mil in cap space would prob only allow them to add 1 of those FA’s you mention assuming we re-sign our own first.
B) Adding those players guarantees us nothing, ask the Redskins. Our first priority has to be signing the guys we know and who fit our schemes.
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by lonestar_ak on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A) Who are we signing here? Apparently we’re signing Peyton Manning because he’s the only guy in the league that makes that kind of money annually. The highest paid non-QB in the league is Richard Seymour at $15 mil a year which is WELL above what most other non-QBs make. Nnamdi Asmogha was one of the most sought-after free agents in NFL in NFL history at a premium position that gets paid top dollar by NFL standards and he got $12 mil a year. Assuming we pay Stevie about 7, give Mario 13-14, Carr maybe 8 or 9, and VJ around 7. Cut McGee, restructure Kelsay, cut McKelvin if he won’t restructure. Parrish is off the books now and he was WAY overpaid. You could easily get yourself another $6-10 mil to go with the 5 left over from the original $42 that I started at.
b) I agree. #1 priority – resign Stevie. The other guys – aside from Mario – are no guarantee. However, this is the most stacked free agent class I have ever seen. It is ULTRA deep at several positions. To miss out on it when you’ve got money to burn would be foolish. I’ve been watching football for a long time and I have never seen a free agent class as deep and varied as this one. Granted, some of it will dry up. Guys like Ray Rice are not going to see the light of free agency but even after that many guys like Williams and Bowe or Carr (KC can’t resign both without breaking the bank) WILL still be out there. My original post was a wild exaggeration and I would never want the Bills to break the bank on one season like that. I was simply making a point – Ralph won’t spend the money anyway so it doesn’t matter.
The first part was in regards to the cap hit those players would require.
Any one of them would be close to and prob over 10mil base salary in their first year. That doesn’t include any pro-rated bonuses that would be applied this year too. I could see any of those 3 being a 15-16mil cap hit this year, which would preclude us from getting any of the others on that list.
A quick note on the second part: This FA class is due to the lockout last year and I expect many of these pending FA’s to be signed before FA truly opens. Every team has a ton of pending FA’s right now.
I think it will get very interesting after the combine when talks heat up with players. I’d expect to see a lot of names come of the board of FA’s. It will be exciting though.
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by lonestar_ak on Feb 13, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you completely Sir!
The reason this year’s FA class is soooo awesome is because of last year.
This FA class is due to the lockout last year and I expect many of these pending FA’s to be signed before FA truly opens. Every team has a ton of pending FA’s right now.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
No.....
Not signing any players guarantees us nothing.
Signing a great player or two to fill a big hole or two gives us a chance.
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Prepping for a sale
Extra incentive for a deep pocketed owner to buy the team from Ralph.
Mario Williams.....
The packeRs spent mammoth shocking the sports world to get him and it paid off for them.
If we signed him, we would be lucky to get just one of the two primo wrs. we need.
My question to rumblers….Is Mario worth it? I’ve rarely seen him play and know nothing of his personality….is he a lesser Reggie white? Or another Albert haynesworth?
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Man!
I make big mistakes….
I mean the packers signing of reggie white…….
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Mario Williams....
If he really is a great player and great person, I say sign him and maybe one receiver if they can and let the other ducks fall in line with his presence…..
If not, I like the numbers way too….. Like Chris brown has mentioned…. Maybe Getting anthony Spencer and moving him back to end…..maybe getting a packer or saint receiver (or two) because the market is lower because nobody knows if it just the QBs and the system or the receiver…..take care of the LT position….things like that.
I hope nobody is thinking the Bills can sign Mario, vincent Jackson, Steve Johnson, Bell and the rest of our free agents…..that is just too much money I think, even with the 21 mill.
Maybe without one of the receivers we can though……
Just as long as they try to win in. 2012.
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Mario Williams
I agree on the Mario Williams front…try and see what we can do as far as offering him a competitive contract that is front loaded big time. If he doesn’t want to come here then there is nothing we can do about that, but I that is a better idea than anybody we can get in the draft at DE. And, then we could use the 10 pick for something else.
As far as WR, I say retain Stevie and then maybe take a shot at Randy Moss since he says he wants to come back. Not a guarantee by any means, but maybe worth the risk for the price you can probably get him at, and that would save money for other places of need, like LB, OL and CB.
by michaelcooksey on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions
maybe take a shot at Randy Moss since he says he wants to come back
I don’t want that guy anywhere near Buffalo ever again lol. I’ve hated him his whole career, like when he was really good. Now he’s old, has deteriorating skills, and is still a jackass.
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nix has said several times that he has been given the authorization to spend to the cap, and that he would this year.
I dont think he inteded to carry over this much money from 2011, but you better believe unlike many on this site who have been bashing him for not doing enough and leaving that 2011 cap on the table unused, that he knew he could back in August. I think if we could go back and look at what his goals were after the hurried 2011 FA period we would see that he wanted to sign Kyle, Fitz, and Stevie during the season. The problem was one of them walked away from the table. If Nix had his way and Stevie was already signed then there likely would only be 10-12M carry over from 2011 and who knows if Stevie was signed three months ago maybe he would have started on Freddie or Chandler. In which case there would have not been much carryover. We will never know but it really does not matter now bc Nix knew all along that he could carry that money over and now has more money at his disposal in a really good FA period.
Like most I would be very disapointed if they do not carry over the unused 2011cap, but I refuse to pile on and make threats until it has been done.
Stevie took a big risk walking away from the table. If he had gone down with a serious injury it would have cost him big time, but he came out smelling like a rose, and I am sure his agent has told him that now that he has waited this long that his best leverage will come the closer he can wait to right before FA starts. I am sure his agent is stalling here not Nix. When Stevies agent decides he has maxed out his leverage he will come to the table and get his client the most he can and Stevie will be a bill next year. JMHO I see very few other big name FA’s have signed yet. This thing is not over yet.
If this is true than there is no reason to think that they would not carry over at least some of the money as they intended on spending it last year anyway. I would hope that they could use this money to sign Stevie and one major need in FA, I am hoping they make a real run at C. Avril. Then with the rest of the available 2012 cap money they can address WR (D. Bowe would be my choice, but lets face it there are at least 12 FA WR’s that would be a considerable improvement at our #2 WR position over D. Jones.) CB(again many choices out there that would be an improvement, and hopefully add some durability) and SLB
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I think this makes it easier to franchise SJ. I thought that we should have before, but this would take even more of the sting away from overpaying him this year.
by butidigress on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see....
As I have said, let’s keep our eye on the cap, last year’s and this one.
I think we can compete for the big game if we spend it wisely.
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Completely agree...
However, I also think that your thorough explanation of what’s going on with the SJ negotiation is a matter of the Bills coming back to the table to negotiate with them too. Was $8mil a year that unreasonable for the Bills to buck up for SJ when he asked for it at the mid-way or end of the year? I think that was the reported # from his camp. Are the Bills really trying to low-ball SJ? My guess is they are okay with that salary and it just depends on the escalators built in that they are trying to sort through now.
I’d be really surprised if the Bills do not come to an agreement with SJ before the Free Agent deadline. I am willing to be patient as a fan and let the process play out.
As you said, Nix can spend the money. He has also said they want to build through the draft… well SJ is a draft pick that has outperformed his rookie contract, so he certainly deserves to be paid and they need to keep him here.
Crazy Idea
Lets sign Peyton manning to a 1 year deal worth 20.9 million dollars. Spend to the cap, and use the extra cap space for a monster 1 year deal on Peyton! LETS GO BILLS!
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Matt totally egotistical on my end but please...
Tell me the tweet I sent you (and a few other bills writers) of the pft article inspired this awesome post? Which is what I was hoping… Lol
Thanks for this excited to see response after I leave this comment
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Some old Sergeant Major jumped on this early yesterday…….. :-)
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is something the team would need to clarify, but I think this is probably largely irrelevant.
There’s two different issues. The cap which is an accounting number and cash paid which is what the Bills go off of. They can have more cap room, but it doesn’t mean they’ll have more money to spend.
I don't understand what you mean.....
Ralph has hundreds of millions of dollars……
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That is true, but in the “cash to cap” philosophy, if they have a higher cap number to use, Nix can spend to a higher number.
by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agree mostly, but this does help offset any dead cap money that has already been paid.
That hit is only on the books and any extra space will help them spend to their budget limit.
We reportedly have approx $7mil in dead cap as it is, add a veteran cut or two like McGee or Dwan Edwards and that dead cap will increase. This “credit” helps offset that since the team hasn’t actually spent the money this year on the dead cap charge.
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Well it certainly sounds great in theory.
And why NOT write the letter? As long you write it, you can use it, but you dont have to.
Still, something tells me the letter will never be written, so we wont be using our overage.
Lets Go Buff a lo!
It would be a PR disaster not to send the letter
The key is the media etc keeping track of whether we spend it or not.
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That's the point...
I think you do have to use it. Does the league not still have the spend 90% of the cap rule? As far as I can tell, the only way to realistically use it is on 1 year Free Agents and Franchise Tag. Not to mention there already under the cap as is…
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In theory, this gives them $21m to utilize in signing bonuses? Wouldn’t that be the best use of this money?
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Thats what I'm thinking
Or just use it to franchise Stevie.
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Signing bonuses only hit the cap for that year correct? ex: Stevie Johnson – 5 yrs/40 million. Give him a signing bonus of 10 million..then it would be a cap hit of 6 million a year for the remainder 5 years correct?
by The Sweeglings on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's true...
I’m pretty sure they are spread out over the length of the contract. At least they are in Madden!
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Signing bonuses are spread out through the life of the contract.
Not good business. Pittsburgh is currently screwing themselves by restructuring deals. They are keeping older guys for the “now” and are going to pay for it in future years.
The way to go is just to do it in the contract straight up as previous posters have stated.
Stevie is an example of what could be:
2012 – 12 mill
2013 – 7 mill
2014 – 7 mill
2015 – 6 mill
That’s 32 million for 4 years and make 20 of it guaranteed.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wrote a fanpost on it yesterday when the news came out.
Basically on a year to year basis a team can carry over unused cap space to the next year.
So that mean that we can make big splashes in free agency this year. Now it would be great to go get Mario Williams, but I’m not holding my breath. I am however thinking that Vincent Jackson just became a very serious possibility and i would be very disappointed if we didn’t go after him we all we have. We can also get some serious (and realistic) help in the pass rush department by going after Cliff Avril we this too. Those are the two big names that I’d love to see in Bills uniforms next season. Not to mention bringing back Stevie.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Oooh, ooooh!
And take care of the left tackle situation!
Then nail the draft and bring on the pats!
Go Bills!
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What this is also telling me
Is that this means the Bills are still operating in the 2011 cap year. So any contracts signed before mid March (eg: Routt, our own FA’s) will count towards that $20 million overage. I’m pointing this out only because I’d rather see some of our own re-signed now, than have to worry about whether Ralph’s gonna send that letter or not…
by BuffCrunch on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think… Right? I keep goin back and forth in my head about all this contract stuff, lol. Our own FA’s can be “extended” now right? I just woke up, my brains staying to hurt…
by BuffCrunch on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm pretty sure your right on that.
But then again if we sign Routt to a 2012 contract who knows?
One thing I am sure of is if we sign players to extensions, then it don’t count on this year’s cap. The one thing I’m pretty sure of though is that this greatly elevates Stevie’s chances of getting franchised.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
His 2012 salary....
Would count against this years cap and so would 2012 portion of the signing bonus. The team (with the players consent) can place any percentage they choose of the bonus as long as it adds to 100 in the final year.
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Someone can let me know if I'm wrong here...
I’m pretty sure if you ask for this money, it is going to have to be spent. Well, up to the whatever percentage of the cap you normally have to spend. Now if this is true, that seems like a very large gamble prior to free agency. This money will only help for short-term contracts, which none of the big ticket free agents will be looking for, and Franchise Tags. Even if you find someone to spend the money on, you then have to convince them to come to Buffalo. Not to mention we still have a significant amount of cap room now and overpriced veterans to cut. if this is all true, I don’t see any reason to do this…
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Geezuz.....
You can spend it anyway you like….short term, long term, it doesn’t matter. Most teams spend to about the cap.
Certain teams, like buffalo and cincy, know that it was fiscally better to lose and collect the huge share of NFL revenue. They are only interested in profit. This is well documented and while Ralph doesn’t always go this route, he usually does. The last time he spent was when Levi came back, they signed two O-line guys to colossal contracts and it was a disaster. The owners that spend (see Jerry jones and the Washington guy) and the players did not like teams that practiced low spending for profit like the Bills and enacted a cap floor to solve the problem. I think it starts this year and so now it doesn’t benefit Ralph to do this and so the Bills announce they are going to spend to the cap. It is clear to anyone who looks that we will soon find out just how much the bills WANT to win if they decide to use the 21 mill pure profit from last year….
Let us all wait and see and follow what the Bills do.
I think chixy is better than Marv at GMing (couldn’t be worse!) and I believe are current needs are finite.
Bills fans are the greatest fans in the world (what other city would tolerate Ralph? ) and the fans deserve an owner that is trying to win.
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by podunkowego on Feb 13, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You get it
Recd
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plus
it isn’t just about attracting other free agents…it is about making sure to extend and lock up our guys this season and beyond.
This extra money to spend on players will make it easier to retain Fred and Chandler and such so those guys extensions don’t keep us from making plays in free agency.
One year money upfront
The way it works is that the contracts would pay most of the money up front so that they do not go over the cap the following year. A player that makes 45million over 5 years doesn’t make 9million a year. They may make 10 one year and 3 the next or visa versa.
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