Buffalo Bills Needs List: Tackle Or Cornerback?
In putting together our State of the Buffalo Bills Roster series, we asked the Buffalo Rumblings community to vote for the biggest offensive and defensive needs the team has entering the 2012 off-season. Now it's time to continue voting to merge those two lists into one community-developed needs list. To this point, our list looks like this:
- 4-3 defensive end
- 4-3 outside linebacker
- Wide Receiver
Today's poll, which will determine the fourth spot out of our Top 5, will come down to either offensive tackle or cornerback.
At tackle, the Bills have a serviceable right tackle (Erik Pears) and a young guy they like (Chris Hairston), but also have an impending free agent (Demetrius Bell) - and there are question marks about all three players. Depth is a concern, as is health viability. Meanwhile, at cornerback, the team is hosting free agent Stanford Routt today - a clear indication that the team is not happy with its overall depth, nor with the bang-for-the-buck they're getting out of a trio of veterans (Terrence McGee and Leodis McKelvin specifically).
So which is it, Bills fans? Tackle or cornerback? Let us know with a vote and a comment!
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Tough One
CB is the worse overall position talent-wise but LT is the worse position depth-wise.
It also REALLY depends on whether Bell resigns or not. If he does, I’d but it below CB if he doesn’t I’d put LT above CB.
by Grif on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
ya this answer is based entirely on whether bell stays or goes. if bell leaves, cornerback is definitely a bigger need
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
by boomsauce on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is harder
I think we needlre depth at Tackle so we can stop the musical chairs when an injury occurs and he players comfortable in their chosen position. However, we don’t have much depth at Corner. However, I think I’ll go with Tackle because if we get a pass rusher, and solidify the front four, we can take some of the pressure off our DBs.
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by christopher.j on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Have Depth
We certainly have depth at corner, just no talent. We have 6 CBs; Rogers, Williams, McGee, McKelvin, Florence, Corner.
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Having bodies on a roster isn’t really depth. You are right we need the talent but we have prospects. We can always convert one of our WRs into a DB in a pinch; they may even be comparable.
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by christopher.j on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Get a pass rush
And CB’s go up a grade. Below average CB’s turn into average, average become above average etc. If the first 2 priorities are to fix the pass rush, CB becomes better by default.
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Exactly
I can’t vote on this poll without knowing whether Bell gets re-signed. As heff17 says, if we don’t have Bell then OT moves high up on the needs list. If we do have Bell, then CB belongs in the #4 spot on this list.
This is not a draft needs post. It is a team needs post. Bell being a free agent isn’t a contingency, it’s a factor in making the decision.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with you Brian.
If Bell is re-signed. Then our greatest TEAM need is CB.
If Bell is let-go, then its clear (maybe only to me) that we have to get another OT in either FA or the draft.
Hairston looked okay some games, and crappy others. A good pass rusher makes him look very sllllllloooooowww and unathletic. Bell played pretty darn good until he got hurt.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you SMT
It does depend if he stays or not. That is a huge factor. If he stays, we have a 1A and 1B that can play LT.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
O-line performed well last season.
The defense was the glaring weakness of the Bills. I really would love to see a shutdown CB that teams are scared to throw towards. Revis totally changes the way teams prepare.
This would add to what seems to be a developing dominate defense in Buffalo. With the established DT’s and an improved LB corps, the secondary just naturally comes next. The safety positions are well-manned, so lights-out CB’s are the next step.
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I couldn't have said it better JTM
We need to work on our defense as our offense is on the right track. It would be nice to get Bell re-signed though.
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I think
Given Nix’s previous choices CB is going to get picked first before OT…
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by J0ckam0 on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I did not know.....
We could bring in FAs…..
Has anyone else come through?
Go Bills!
And yes, everything depends on if Bell is a Bill or not……
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we cant
Routt is different in that he was cut from his team so he can sign anytime. As compared to the regular UFA’ that are still technically part of their old teams for a few more weeks.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
I voted OT. I understand it’s a passing league and all that but I also think if we had a steadier offense we wouldn’t be putting so much pressure on our defense week in and week out.
If we had a better skilled offensive line we wouldn’t need to go with such a quick throw offense. We could run better, and more consistently, and sustain drives.
CB
Williams will be a beast, and and I don’t mind McKelvin sticking around as the nickel/special teams. But Florence and McGee have to go pretty soon. I’d rather hold on to McGee for a few more years, but the dude just cannot stay on the field, it’s painfully obvious.
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I went with CB
our Tackles played good last year, our CB’s did not. Our CB’s are getting old, our Tackles are not. So i went with CB. seemed obvious.
I went with CB
There is no doubt that OT is the position of most importance and I hope they address it in the draft, but there are a lot of options out there in FA that could improve the Bills secondary that are not available at OT. So IMO CB is the need that can be addresed with improvement and and gets my vote.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
resigning bell...
…would end that discussion. we have to do that in my opinion, otherwise there would be to many holes to get filled in one offseason…
by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Maybe not.....
Sign Bell. We know nothing of his vast injury list.
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by podunkowego on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
basically true...
…but that´s a risk u have to take in any case with any player u hire… a FA u sign can hurt himself on the first day of the camp, being out for the entire season… bad luck…
in signing bell we at least know that he really HAS the ability to help us enormously if he´s healthy. to be honest, i assume that the medical department at OBD exactly knows everything what´s going on in bells body… so, in the doctors i (sometimes) trust… ;-)
by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 14, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
CB
If the Bills can get a legitimate pass rush, the corners will look better: it’s just how this league works.
Williams and rogers could develop into a nice tandem, but getting a guy in the 3rd or 4th round couldn’t hurt. The bills need to address their defense with the first 3 picks in the draft, again, depending on how free agency goes.
We can speculate as much as we want on the draft, but until free agency comes and goes we have no idea what OBD will do. Who knows, the bills could splurge in free agency and get all the defensive starters and depth they need, which would completely change their outlook for the draft.
by MynameisnotMike on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Todd in Texas....
If we get the LT situation settled and get Wood back we will have one the better lines and deeper lines in the league no doubt…..
I know it’s two big ifs, but
I feel very sure of this……
We are loaded with a healthy Bell and Wood.
Puns away!
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I said Tackle because that is the more critical position for building a solid team.
It’s sad that still after all these years a great OT has yet to be brought in.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
I'll tell ya......
New england’s line is phenomenal,and a huge part of their success.
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We brought one in
We just thought that paying Peters like an elite LT was an absurd proposition. It wasn’t.
Paying him to be that LT for a left-handed QB is a tad absurd. But they didn’t have Vick penciled in at that point.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
CB
I think OT, if Bell is re-signed, becomes an issue of stacking players. I wouldn’t mind a 4th OT for depth, drafted in the mid rounds.
However, I would love to have a CB opposite Williams to compliment our safeties and make a truly dangerous backfield. I think CB is really important given the state of the league, and I think our run defense is going to take a big step this year, so it’s time to get our passing defense up to snuff.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
To me assuming Bell is not going to be with the team
is as presumptious as assuming McGee is already injured for 2012. Neither has happened yet. Currently Bell is on our team and we have the advantage going forward over the other 31 teams as he has said he wants to be a Bill.
Because of the importance of the position it is a big “if” as you stated but I have to think he is on the team until we hear otherwise not the other way around.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
To me assuming Bell is not going to be with the team is as presumptious as assuming McGee is already injured for 2012.
You’re telling me not to count my chickens before they hatch while telling me they are going to hatch…
By your logic, Stevie and Scott and every free agent the Bills have will be back and I am not buying that.
by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I am not as confident for all of the bills FA class
but Nix specifically mentioned Bell and Stevie as players that he would try to bring back. When you combine that with both players saying they want to come back that is what makes them ours until we hear otherwise. The rest of the class especially Chandler are more of a question mark. Nix mentioned him by name also saying that he was going to be a little harder.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Yeah, it is, but until otherwise indicated I’m going to go with the assumption that the Bills want to keep the LT they’ve invested in over the past few years and who, at this point, is their best option there.
It really is as simple as: If Bell is signed, then CB, otherwise OT.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Considering Bell as a free agent
I’d have to say the priority right now is OT.
We’re far better off with the guys we have now at CB. We have two maybe 3 viable starters signed (McGee, Florence, Williams) and Rogers is promising behind them. While the veterans are a risk, they are still servicable and we have enough depth behind them to have at least an average NFL secondary.
At Left Tackle we have Hairston, a 4th round rookie who’s play was mediocre at best, with little depth behind him. If he goes down we have to move Pears out of position and plug an untested player into the starting rotation.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions
The world is ending. I voted CB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Any Mayan ancestry in your tree?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
My vote is CB. It’s the better, deeper group with Bell being a FA. But the entire position needs to be turned over during the next couple offseasons. Florence is aging and maybe declining. McGee is a cap casualty next year, if he’s not already on the chopping block this offseason. McKelvin is a free agent after the 2012 season. It’s a position that needs to be rebuilt for 2013 and the long term in general.
I’m good with Hairston and Pears for a season with a swing tackle being a less significant offseason addition and then reassessing the position next offseason.
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Well said. I just thought of something.
McKelvin may be the first 1st-round CB taken in recent years who isn’t lost to FA.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
that’s why i went CB. We’re o.k. at T but CB is a complete mess.
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
right there with you also, kaiser
I think that we can survive with 3 tackles, even if one weren’t Bell. What we do need, is a good enough secondary to still run at very least a nickel, which means that an injured McGee, and a too slow Florence, along with a late selection Rogers, as well as inconsistent Leo, means that we basically only have Williams, who is young, developing, and almost being handed a starting job, solely because we are so devoid of guaranteed starting talent.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
CB
I may be in the minority but I think the LT position is over valued, i.e. you need a good LT but defenses are going to attack weak links on the offense no matter where it is (so you need solid players at all the positions). Look at what the offense did this year with Bell (7th rd?), Hariston (4th rd), and Levitre (out of position). The CB situation is pretty bad overall. Williams may have a future, but everyone else is either unproven, not good, or on the down hill. Passing league plus poor pass rush = need for much stronger CB’s.
It is a bit now. Look at the Giants for example, their LT was a liability for a good part of the season.
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totally depends on Bell
if he is gone we need a LT, if he stays we need a CB.
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CB
it’s a passing dominated league and the division will go even more pass-heavy if Manning goes to either Miami or the Jets so you need depth at corner to counter.
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But it's a pass-happy league.....
So you need a good left tackle…..
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by podunkowego on Feb 14, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
The need for LT exists, perhaps even WITH Bell
but I still voted for CB. our defense has been appalling, and the DBs have really not been addressed with an early selection, aside from Williams. The same, could be said for OL though… but we have been more capable of adding OL talent through other means. Ultimately, I think this is a toss up, but the fact remains that we can’t rely on McGee, we can expect penalties from Florence, we can’t expect Rogers to instantly step in, Corner was already cut, and brought back due to our lack of depth, and that means that the starting role is largely hinged on Leodis McKelvin (still). It seems logical, that we would try and add a very talented CB to compete with ALL of these guys for the starting role, and that the final 3 CBs (other than “new guy” and Williams) will be comprised of the remainder (my guess would probably be Rogers, and then probably Florence/McKelvin)
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