Buffalo Bills Have Two Advantages On The Stevie Johnson Front
The 2012 NFL free agent signing period begins exactly one month from today - on the afternoon of March 13 - and for Buffalo Bills fans, all of the team's bounty of concerns largely remain secondary to the status of wide receiver Stevie Johnson.
Not many 25-year-old receivers coming off of back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons hit the open market, and most Bills fans are hoping that the team is able to prevent that from happening in four weeks. Johnson became the first receiver in franchise history to pull off that feat this past season, and as he's just entering his prime, most believe that consistently excellent football lies in his future.
There are a lot of factors at play in this process, and the fact that Johnson is the team's most marketable personality since Terrell Owens - in some ways, he may even come out ahead on that front - heightens the scale of the issue. The Bills really do need to re-sign Johnson, not just because he's a good football player, but because of the backlash they'd get if they fail to do so. But none of that concerns Johnson himself, who should have ample reason to desire to remain in Buffalo, as well.
That's not to say that the usual suspects - more money, a bigger market, a winning team and a better quarterback - won't trump the reasons that Johnson currently has to stay in Buffalo. Prioritizing those factors over what follows would not make Johnson selfish; it would make him practical. But the pro-Bills factors are practical, as well.
The first of those factors is Chan Gailey - or, more specifically, Gailey's offense. We critique it quite frequently, but the fact of the matter is that Gailey's approach has been exceedingly kind to Johnson. The receiver's unique route-running style is something that Gailey has a firm handle on, and the Bills' passing attack is tailored nearly perfectly to that tendency, prioritizing spots on the field over specific routes. Gailey is not necessarily cutting-edge in his approach, but a new coaching staff may struggle to adapt to Johnson's style - and Johnson isn't a fit for every system, either.
Similarly, Ryan Fitzpatrick is a factor working in Buffalo's favor. Let's not pretend that Johnson, in a vacuum, would pick playing with Fitzpatrick over playing with, say, Tom Brady. Nobody would. And if Johnson leaves for greener pastures at the position, he'd almost certainly find chemistry with his new quarterback at some point. But as with Gailey, Johnson already has a well-established working rapport with Fitzpatrick - and for all of his current quarterback's flaws, Johnson has been very productive with him. A new location would require an adjustment period, even if he landed in a spot with a world-class signal-caller. There is risk in abandoning not only Gailey's offense, but Fitzpatrick as his quarterback.
Again, the Gailey and Fitzpatrick factors in no way trump more traditional factors like money, market and, well, winning. Nobody is exactly sure of how Johnson is prioritizing all of these items, but his public comments about wanting to remain in Buffalo show not only some degree of loyalty to the city that generally adores him and the franchise that drafted him, but a form of acknowledgment that this team may easily be the best fit for him.
Essentially, Johnson must weigh the risk of turning down perhaps a bit more money and other various opportunities for the production and stability of his current situation. On Buffalo's side of the coin, this isn't a redux of failed attempts to re-sign high-profile free agents in past seasons; there are very real factors working heavily in Buffalo's favor. There is still plenty of time to get a deal done before free agency begins, but at this juncture, the odds of Johnson returning to Buffalo if he does hit the open market still seem significantly lower than the odds of getting a deal done before March 13. As time passes, the pressure increases. It's going to be a frantic month, folks.
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Peerless Price, though he got traded and didn’t leave per se, is a good example of grass is not always greener…
by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Go sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done.
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by stetzwebs on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I guess you could say
the Price was not right.
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Other teams were simply unable
to Mould him into the player the Bills were able to.
This is Easley the worst thread I’ve ever read
by Slick Shifty on Feb 13, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
It was like all his abilities just Parrished.
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by Sawyer in Boston on Feb 13, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo: If you know what’s good for you, don’t cut your Johnson.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget to send Flowers tomorrow.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if we’re up to the Tasker.
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maybin you should find yourself a new team to cheer for
by paythemannow on Feb 13, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
or we could put him in a full Nelson until he becomes a merri man.
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by Dana H on Feb 13, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bravo gentlemen, that was a great
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by poz on Feb 13, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
agreed
stands up – applauds
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
One of the best Hijacks ever!!!!!
BRAVO!!! BRAVO SIRS!!!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
After way too long of a day in the office, all I can say is that was brilliant. Thank you all.
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by RedStickBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
i too, enjoyed all of this
good job fellas (and ladies?)
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
hilarious
thanks everyone, but try not to Reed into things too much this offseadon
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Stupendous!!
You can bet your BEEBE on it!!
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The disadvantage we have in getting a deal done early
is that his agent works on a percentage. There won’t be a deal done early IMHO
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Re-signing Steve
Would signify a positive shift in the way this organization does business.
As you pointed out, stevie is possibly the most noteworthy player/personality buffalo has seen in a long time. Steve has the potential to be a guy that could attract other young players here. (As long as we are winning).
The problem with stevie, is that it only really excites me if we add another wr on the opposite side. Steve is.a.solid wr, but he is not a game changer. Or has yet to prove he can be. A guy like garcon on the other side really excites me.
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by billsoferie on Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sure gave Revis a challenge...no?
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by FergusVI on Feb 13, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whats your point?
Sure he player well against revis. On slants for 10 or so yards. Steve is good, but he is not a guy you can just throw it up to. Or is gunna beat anyone deep for a big td.
I like him and want him, but he is still second tier.
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The point is he gets open
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by Gpluehri on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
^this
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
ok..
never said he did not, what i said was, stevie and stevie alone is not enough. Steveie is not a guy like Vincent Jackson, or either of the Johnsons who can win games on their own and can make huge plays to win games. Stevie is a good wide reciever, and i ewant him back, but not at the cost of not bringing in someone else on the other side.
Now if i have to spend money on only one reciever, im gunna get V. Jackson or Bowe.
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I dont know if you're being fair to Stevie
Wes Welker can’t do any of those things you mentioned and he’s not second tier.
Didn’t Stevie beat Revis for a 50+ yarder this season? I could be wrong.
Either way, he runs precise routes and makes guys miss in the open field. Hes dangerous and he gets in the endzone which is huge. It wasn’t too many seasons ago the Bills biggest problem was scoring touchdowns and redzone efficiency and since Stevie’s emergence we’ve done a whole lot better.
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52 yarder in early November but he only had 2 other catches for 84 total and zero TDs
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
yea in that game
that 52 yarder was also the longest on Revis to that point on the season. The next time he saw Revis he scored the first TD against Revis to that point in the season. Gotta build to win your division having a guy that keeps the best CB in the division on his heels goes a long way.
Harooo
yup – I’ll be pretty upset if they don’t sign him. He can beat Revis and he’s a good young WR. Gotta, gotta sign the guy
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by J2 on Feb 14, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Would you rather have Steve or Vincent Jackson?
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Steve, myself. I’d like to get a good guy across from him, but there aren’t any real scenarios I can think of where I would be comfortable not having Johnson next year, including dumping him and signing Jackson.
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i would rather have stevie and someone
Across from him, but if it came down to just one of them, I gotta take Jackson.
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by billsoferie on Feb 14, 2012 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stevie – he’s a better route runner. He just need someone across from him
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by J2 on Feb 14, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
right, i would rather
Have Steve and someone like garcon over just Jackson. But just Steve over Jackson does not seem like the right option.
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by billsoferie on Feb 14, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my best answer is clearly both.
I think i agree with the rest… are we looking straight up? V Jax is PROBABLY the better all around WR, but with a lower ceiling than Steve has.
I also agree that Steve + additional threat trumps V Jackson on his own.
Steve +additional threat = V Jackson + any existing WR on our roster
In short, V Jax is only an upgrade, if we keep Steve, otherwise they are a relative wash, because V Jax> Steve, only when an additional threat is added, meaning we need 2 FA WRs to offset Steve’s loss. Which makes sense, since Steve IS a FA, so we are getting two here, regardless.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Steve is great, but he is not enough
Wes welker has way more receiving yards and receptions and has better hands than Steve.
Regardless of how well Steve has been the past two years, you cannot say he is a tier 1 WR if the likes of the Johnsons, V.Jackson, Colston, Moss are in that category.
I want Stevie back, he is awesome, but it only excites me if someone is brought in to complement him on the other side.
Say we lose Steve, The addition of Vincent Jackson is enough to excite me and improve our offense.
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Great post... rec'd
because of the backlash they’d get if they fail to do so
Yes, right now this team needs as much talent and firepower at several positions to be competitive and not one of the league drums year after year…
Fans are sick of one year wonders like TO or potentials perceived difference making players like Shawn Merriman to root for… They want to root for guys like SJ who has started here and want to see them get over the hump and make this team successful.
If we lose SJ to another team… “backlash” will be mild compared to the empty seats that will be there on opening day. It will be more like a “revolt”!
Here is what im not getting
If stevie is really asking for 7.5 million why hasnt buffalo signed him yet 7.5 is a bargain and a even better one a few years from now
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by Gpluehri on Feb 13, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There’s a logical assumption there that Stevie Johnson’s agent hoped many would make when he mentioned that $7.5 million figure.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I dont like a lot of what he is doing.
but IMO his agent is playing this thing pretty good for Stevie. He knows very well what you said in this story is true about the backlash.
I still am confident that there will be a deal, just not right away. I give it two to three weeks and we should start to hear some stuff.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
you right...
and it’ll probably be something along the lines of “Talks between SJ’s agent and the Bills break down!” because of the money their asking…
Then the Bills will use the franchise tag, and the FA market will set the price, setting the Bills up to be able to sign him to a long term deal before camp starts….
I can pretty much promise you that Stevie’s agent is in no hurry, because of the slew of potential FAs out there this year, hoping, the bids drive Johnson’s price tag up…. Don’t blame it all on Nix folks… There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes…
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
Reverse it.
I can pretty much promise you that Stevie’s agent is in no hurry, because of the slew of potential FAs out there this year, hoping, the bids drive Johnson’s price tag up…
His agent can hope that, but……….
The large FA WR class may drive Stevies worth on the open market down.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
we wont know the answer to that until he is signed
but my guess is that is not what he is asking for. I would bet that when we get a look at the numbers we will see something closer to 8.5-9M a year.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
That's what I'm thinking too.
7.5M could simply be a base salary number. He might also be wanting something like a 20M signing bonus for all we know.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Me Too
This has driven me crazy since his agent has said it. I think I finally figured it out.
Stevie would accept a 2-3 year deal at 7.5 per year. This would make him a free agent again at 28 years old and allow him to cash in on another large payday.
The Bills want to lock Stevie up long term (5-6 years), why sign a short-term deal and have to go through all of this again in 20 months. If Stevie a 5 or 6 year deal, he will reach the magic number (30) where his value starts to decline.
This could be a bad year to be a FA WR. 1) there are many good options for teams looking for wideouts 2) there is no cap increase this year 3) it has been reported that there is an unusually high amount of UFAs this year.
Stevie’s agent puts out the 7.5 number to get teams interested in a short-term deal allowing Stevie to hit it big in a few years (when the teams are in a better position to use the fine print of the new CBA)
Get a fair (7.5 mil) deal now and cash out big in 2-3 years.
under the same rationale, Johnson and his agent may be ok with the franchise tag this year…
by Slick Shifty on Feb 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm willing to bet you anything that if we franchise Stevie he'll have the same reaction that Desean Jackson had when the Eagles franchised him.
“Yiiiiiiiiiiiiippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Im not so sure
The longer the deal the better incase of injuries
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by Gpluehri on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently you haven't heard about Jackson's financial problems.
Desean has been living off of credit cards and personal loans from his agent for the last season and a half. It’s the reason why he held out last season, he even admitted it. It’s also why he confirmed many times that he would not mind the franchise tag at all during this last season.
Desean Jackson was the perfect example of a young player burning threw his money faster than he made it. So that 9+ million that he’s receiving from that franchise tag spell relief for him right now. I doubt that he mind waiting one more year for a long term deal.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
And if your wondering how I know that.
I was following Jackson very closely this season because for a while I really was hoping that the Bills would target him if he became a free agent.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
i knew about jacksons finacial problems
would you think he would want a 10 year 100 mill deal with 50 guaranteed or a 3 year 30 mill 15 guaranteed ? the longer it is the better because more money is guaranteed
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No contract in the NFL is guaranteed. The only guaranteed money are signing bonuses. Everything else is contentious on certain event happening, such as roster bonuses or “his salary becomes guaranteed if he’s still on the team as of this date.”
The franchise tag is one of the few fully guaranteed contracts. For Jackson it’s a guaranteed 9.5M. Now if the Eacles were also offering him a contract worth 10M per year, he’s be a fool not to take it. But since all indications are the the Eagles and Jackson’s negotiations not going well (hence the tag) then i’m sure that he’d take the short term guarantee over nothing guaranteed, and then start discussing a long term contract within the next season.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
NFL deals aren’t guaranteed, so the length is fairly irrelevant. The signing bonus is probably where the hang up is, unless he wants to seek greener pastures.
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by hoosier3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know that we were referencing Desean Jackson being franchise tagged right?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
most contracts are not fully guarenteed
but do have a partial guarantee on them and with last years rookie contracts nearly all of them had the entire contract guaranteed
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
Which was the trade off to the ludicrous deals that were being handed out before. Sure Newton got 40M less than Bradford, but 80% of his contract is guaranteed simply by having signed it. Bradford? Not so much.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
If they let him walk….one of the best players on the team, one who is extremely young and a building block for Buffalo’s success in the future…they will lose the faith of the fans. They need to get a deal done – bottom line.
by agage5 on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
It’ll be ugly, for sure.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Any uglier than all the comments about him after the NE game?
If I was him, that would be sitting in the back of my mind during this process. How quickly all his “loyal” fans tried to run him out of town.
We may get what we asked for after that game.
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by lonestar_ak on Feb 13, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d – you’re absolutely right. I for one didn’t think he was being selfish – just being himself. But others weren’t so kind.
by BuffaloRepresent on Feb 13, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with you BR- i wasn't among them. Give the guy a break.
and also i agree with agage. most especially. Recd.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m far more appalled at Aaron Hernandez’ conduct during the final NE game and the league’s complete and total failure to do anything about it than I was by Stevie’s conduct and the league coming down on him like a ton of bricks for a lesser offense.
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by Calvert on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it really is true
Ive been pretty quiet this offseason and one of the reasons is Im really waiting to see what this team does with Stevie Johnson. If he leaves the sense of spinning tires will simply be too much. They traded Lee Evans with the slogan that it was time to hand Stevie Johnson the numeber 1 gig. If they let him walk one year after saying that I don’t know how I’ll respond but Im pretty sure it wont be what the front office is looking to elicit from its fanbase.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
much appreciated Sarge
Im still hanging around and reading but its hard to comment on the offseason when there has been NO progress (reportedly) on talks between the Bills and Stevie. I like the player a lot, I like the person a lot and I think he symbolizes (and he relished that mantle too, which I appreciated) the notion of the Bills building up younger, hungrier, chip on the shoulder talent into a team. Its hard to discuss what else the Bills should be doing as this drags out.
For example, when Routt came to visit. I just can’t justify the Bills talking money with other players when we’ve gotten nowhere with Stevie. I understand not having a deal done but when no progress is being made (again, reportedly) on a young guy who is arguably the face of the franchise (I think so) it’s a bit tough to focus on everything else. Everyday that passes I get less confident.
Either way, I’ll be back to my posting self soon enough.
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by poz on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Had to rec it, agree 100% with that sentiment. I’m actually at the point where I’ve stopped caring what the outcome is, I just want there to be an outcome.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Same here. I mean I know the amount of posts I put in have dropped a lot since last year, but Poz has been a mainstay of this site since I got here in 2009.
I really miss hear Poz, Sireric and Kurupt around here, you guys aren’t posting enough!
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how I’ll respond but Im pretty sure it wont be what the front office is looking to elicit from its fanbase.
Is it bad that I’m actually looking forward to that post?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I found it silly today when discussing RA WRs today on Mike & Mike, neither of them mentioned Stevie Johnson. I mean, they named a bunch of WRs you’d likely classify below him. Buffalo just isn’t on anyone’s radar if it doesn’t have to do with loss. Most recently being the tie-in to Whitney at the SB.
Keep on ignoring the Bills, world.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions
They are not Mike and Mike.........
The correct pronunciation is “Dumb and Dumber.”
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beavis and Butthead also come to mind.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I was thinking more like
Heckel and Jeckel…..
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i guess...
…it’s all about winning. if u take a look at the past decade, we simply weren’t a winning team. and as time goes bye, people have those teams in mind which made at least the playoffs once over the last couple of years… on the other hand i’m a really proud of the bills fanbase supporting the team despite that fact in such a great manner…
by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Another advantage
This is not necessarily an advantage that the Bills have in general, but it does help them with the talks, and that is that there is a series of WR FAs, many of whom are bigger names than Stevie, available this year (presumably). That, at the very least, takes some bargaining power away from Stevie.
However, I have no doubt that any team that’s played against him would love him on their roster, so yes, this deal has to get done.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I know this is cliche and a lame thing to say, but...
if Johnson is not signed, I’ll be taking a break from the Bills for a while. Event though the team has been terrible, I still follow the Bills because it’s fun to watch a team rebuild and (hopefully) ascend to greatness.
If Johnson leaves, I will lose faith in Nix and the rebuild. I will no longer have a reason to watch a team miss the playoffs and disappoint year after year.
Hope is the only thing keeping me around. If Johnson goes, it’s more than a personnel loss. It’s a symbolic loss.
by kai11 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would temper that slightly
and say that unless the Bills do something remarkable at that position to replace him (a great FA pickup) then yes, this has to be a condemnation of the current regime
by inthegaddadavida on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that.
I guess I’d like to see continuity. I want these young players to grow together. I don’t want management slapping together a team with spare parts whenever something needs replaced. But I hear you, though. If they sign someone of an equal caliber, I won’t give up on them.
I could care less what they do to replace him.
I’m tired of developing talent and letting it walk. We have been the leagues farm team for that last decade it has to stop. The Bills are the sole reason I pay any level of attention to the NFL. At 29 I really don’t have a lot of good memories aside from Superbowl parties when I had no knowledge of the game itself. I believe they will bring him back but if they don’t that may just spell the end of my caring about the team. If it were me I would resign Stevie and if what I hear about Marques Colston potentially hitting the market is true I would make a serious effort to sign him as well.
Harooo
I understand the sentiment
though no matter what I’ll end up drinking beer and watching the games on Sunday (what can I say, I’m loyal to the franchise to a fault I guess), calling it a symbolic loss is a good term for it if Stevie leaves – it would be very demoralizing
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gotta ask.....
is it the beer????
The football???
Or a combination??
Optimistic??? Of course I am!! I'm a Bills fan, and as of right now, we are undefeated on the regular season!!!
Things are truly looking up!!!
haha good question
Think of it this way, I love the Bills and what they mean to the fanbase and the city too much to ever be disloyal – plus too many great memories from the team outweighing the bad to ever make me hate the team but the beer makes it easier to justify my faith hahaha
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“Not many 25-year-old receivers coming off of back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons hit the open market.” This is the key statement to the entire story. It’s very unusual for this situation to occur and the fact that Johnson is just weeks away from entering this territory is a red flag for supporters of this team (like myself) that would prefer Buffalo keep one of its only difference-making players.
My gut says that Johnson sees better opportunities elsewhere while Nix sees Johnson as far from irreplaceable and that’s why this situation has to come to where it is now. We’ll soon see. In my opinion, Johnson’s standpoint holds more weight. OBD was more than happy to let Johnson get paid far below his production the last two years while he exceeded his rookie contract. That’s totally their right, but now that the contract’s up, I suspect Johnson should have no extra loyalty to a losing franchise that regressed to the point of pathetic late last season and has paid him so lightly for two borderline Pro Bowl seasons.
If Johnson walks, OBD’s talented spin doctors will be out in full force showcasing just how much his new team paid for the young receiver and how impossible it would have been for Buffalo to retain him. They will be lying through their teeth. OBD has a history of letting good young players play out their rookie contracts below their market value, letting them hit free agency, then waving the white flag when the bidding predictably gets pricey. It’s the Circle of Life for this sorry franchise.
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by Port Royal on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I understand these familarities are important,
and Stevie knows he can succeed with Gailey and Fitz.
But its very hard for me to back the idea that Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick are the 2 “advantages” that we have here in Buffalo.
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And honestly, how great an advantage are they if the result is still a losing season? I firmly believe players want to go where winning comes naturally.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Does winning come “naturally” in Detroit? In the past four seasons, they’ve gone 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, and 10-6. Their entire history has been a fight to get up to mediocre. But they don’t have a problem getting FAs. Vanden Bosch signed with them the year after they had 2 wins. So did Scheffler and Burleson. Shouldn’t there have been some mass exodus in 2010 and 2011?
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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t there a 3rd advantage? The Franchise Tag?
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I believe Brian or Matt reported it was 9.5 million for one year
thats pretty hefty, Im not sure the Bills will bank on that.
I’d probably say that the team chemistry here beyond Fitzpatrick might be a third factor but that might be stretching it.
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If Chris’ Brown’s report that if it were 7.5 per year it would be done then i’d have to think 9.5 would be enough to keep him for a year and keep negotiating. doesn’t seem that far off does it?
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose its a reflection
of how shot my confidence is with this franchise to spend money to retain players.
I just dont foresee this situation unfolding with other teams with a young stud receiver who isn’t an attitude problem – this leaves me with a lack of confidence right now. I guess it isn’t that far off but Im terrified hes going to leave right now.
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well, we’re on the same exact page then. Unfortunately for us we can’t turn the page…
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
to be honest
I still don’t think this team is that far off. Letting go Stevie would be a HUGE step back. And dont even get me started on locker room repercussions.
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dont even get me started on locker room repercussions.
agree. it is one thing to, umm….. “deviate” from the things that they say to fans, or the claims they have made in regards to how they will build; if they refuse to sign the achievers on this team, what provides the incentive for their hard work, aside from their own pride? Like any other business, employees expect recognition and compensation for doing at least an adequate job.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
That’s what I’m thinking. If the Bills use the franchise tag on him I think it would be more to prolong the negotiations than anything else.
With that said there would still be a very good chance of Stevie just signing it right away too.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Come on OBD
You have a month, he will mature and only grow with Fitzpatrick, another player we have locked up for a while. He has been a fantastic wideout with production we haven’t seen since Lee Evans in 2006.
Sign Stevie, or you will hear the wrath of thousands of pissed off Bills fans.
by MynameisnotMike on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions
Bay Area?
What are the chances of Stevie receiving offers from either ofthe bay area teams?
Why so Plaxico?
They both need receivers.
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by bflo on Feb 13, 2012 4:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think he fits very well with the offense Harbaugh is running. I still say he’s headed to San Fran if he’s not a Bill.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
San Fran has Crabtree
The 49ers already have a WR who plays essentially the same role in Harbaugh’s offense as Stevie would in Crabtree. Crabtree finally blossomed this season in Harbaugh’s offense and, arguably, has a tad more speed than Stevie.
What San Fran needs, like the Bills, is a speed receiver to open up the underneath areas for Crabtree and Vernon Davis. Braylon Edwards didn’t work out, in part due to injuries, and they lost Morgan early on. Morgan had been coming into his own as a deep threat, but who knows how he will come back after his injuries.
Injuries also hit the Oakland WR corps hard this season. Whether Oakland would be that interested in Stevie Johnson could greatly depend on how much of a change there is in the organization’s philosophy now that Al Davis is dead and their new coach’s approach. Up until now Oakland has wanted receivers with deep speed almost exclusively in recent years. And, when they’re healthy, they have some decent ones.
Louis Murphy (who also has speed) and Chaz Schillens are their two “possession” receivers. Murphy was hurt a lot last season and, for some reason, Schillens didn’t get a lot of playing time until very late in the season, even though a lot of fantasy folks predicted that he would have a big year.
With those two coming back, would they really want to spend big money on a “possession” receiver like Stevie? I think it depends on whether Al Davis’ son will allow the new coach to put in a very different offense than the one that he father insisted on the club using.
The thing you have to understand about Stevie Johnson is that he is a possession receiver who uses his ability to get off the line of scrimmage and body positioning to get open, has the ability to occasionally go deep, but uses his ability to get YAC yards to get good yardage.
There aren’t a lot of “possession” receivers like that who are capable of playing on the outside and getting 1,000 yards a season—T.Owens was one, Andre Reed was another—or of being a team’s # 1 WR option.
Usually, it is a team’s speed receiver that has a better chance of becoming the # 1 WR option on the team—simply because speed allows a receiver to quickly put up yardage and TDs that it would take many more receptions for a slower “possession” receiver to log. Think Randy Moss vs Wes Welker when they were both playing for the Pats—Welker has a fair amount of speed and can get deep on occasion, but makes his living underneath, while Moss would stretch the defense and could get a TD on any one play. Because of the constant threat that a good speed receiver poses to the defense and his ability to get yards and points quickly, a speed receiver has a better chance of leading his team in yards and TDs and becoming its # 1 WR (Hakeem Nicks is the NY Giants # 1 WR even though Victor Cruz, their slot receiver, led the team in receiving yards, etc.).
Having a “possession” receiver capable of putting up 1,000+ yards a season can make a team’s offense very good because he will keep the chains moving on drives. But, a team doesn’t really need or want to have too many “possession” receivers because, as the Bills showed after D.Jones went down, defenses can “pack it in” if they don’t have to deal with a legitimate deep threat, allowing them to close down the “windows” that the QB has to throw through and making it more likely that the QB will get picked off. However, a team that has a 1,000+ yard “possession” receiver playing opposite a legitimate speed receiver can put up a lot of points—because they have the ability to score quickly and still move the chains when they need to.
Normally teams don’t like to pay “possession” receivers # 1 WR money because it’s thought that “possession” receivers are easier to replace. But, Stevie Johnson falls into what I think is—or at least should be—a category that is the exception: he’s a “possession” receiver who is so good at what he does (no one else did to Revis what he did last year), a team without a quality speed receiver. Put a legitimate “home run” threat speed receiver on the opposite side of the field and Johnson has the potential to put up even bigger numbers (see how Cruz did when he and Nix were healthy together). In the absence of a traditional # 1 speed WR, he has been the team’s # 1 WR and is a proven commodity.
You have to pay for that. And, I believe that the Bills will. If they won’t, a much more likely pair of teams that could use him would be the Jets—who lose P.Burress, but have S.Holmes—or Pittsburgh—who have M.Wallace, but may feel that it’s time for Hines Ward to “hang ’em up”.
If the Bills want to put a high-scoring offense on the field next season, they need to re-sign Stevie Johnson and either 1.) sign a top quality speed receiver in FA; 2.) draft a speed receiver in the draft (although there aren’t many speed receivers in this draft who are as big as Gailley likes his WRs to be); or, hope that M.Easley or D.Clowney can emerge as a legitimate deep threat this season. When healthy, Easley and Clowney have the speed that you would want at that position, but neither has been able to put it together yet in their careers—due to injuries in Easley’s case and inconsistency in Clowney’s. D.Jones has a chance, too, but he’ll have to stay healthy, too, and show more than he did before getting hurt this past season.
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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 14, 2012 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
while i read all of that
the thing that i got from it is that a west coast offense wouldn’t employ more than one “possession” receiver, and yet most of the 49ers roster is basically possession receivers, except Crabtree? Why then would Steve not be an upgrade to their #2 options? I think his ability to get YAC makes him ideal for this type of offense, and it isn’t THAT dissimilar from what we do, except that they can feature run formations, due to Davis’ versatility, and ability to still stretch the defense.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
You missed something...
In Josh Morgan and Braylon Edwards, the 49ers started out with two receivers on their roster who were expected to be deep threats and lost both of them due to injuries. Add to that, they also have Ted Ginn—who missed the game against the NY Giants in the playoffs due to injury, but who had taken over as the speed receiver in their offense after Edwards went down.
Given their ability to get deep and inconsistent hands, no one would mistake B.Edwards or T.Ginn for “possession” receivers! Morgan, who emerged as a more consistent receiver than Crabtree up until this season, also is a “speed” receiver. While Edwards won’t be back with the 49ers next season, Morgan and Ginn will.
Before you ask why wouldn’t SF be interested in a second “possession” receiver, let me also point out that the 49ers had a young WR emerge as their slot receiver over the course of this season. He’s cheap—Stevie Johnson won’t be. Crabtree, Ginn and Vernon Davis aren’t either. And there’s only so much money that they can afford to have tied up in their receiving corps—especially if they think that they can win with Alex Smith and want to keep their defensive players happy.
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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 14, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like Morgan. I think he is a legit deep threat. My mistake, was in thinking of Morgan, when you said Murphy.
I do think Edwards is less a “deep threat” due to his inconsistent hands, but visualize a “possession” receiver as large body guys, who are not going to stretch the defense, as much as provide an outlet and large target. so, there, we probably have a disagreement of terms.
I completely agree that with Crabtree, Ginn, and Davis, it is tough to throw any significant amount of money at the offensive targets. That said, I think Ginn Jr, is Roscoe 2.0. I think that he will prove that he is really not a legitimate threat on the whole. I could see Morgan as the slot, with a “possession” receiver on the outside, and if I imagine Steve, Morgan, Davis, Crabtree as the primary targets in their offense, that It would be real difficult for people to shut this offense down. If you look at Smith’s numbers this season, their offense was not nearly the “break out” offense people think of, because of Vernon’s outstanding playoff performances. They relied heavily on running, play pass, and defense in most of their games. This formula (that most would consider obsolete in this league) led them to a home field advantage in the NFC Championship. I think with another legitimate, significant outside performer, they can contend for some time, especially with a tall, fast, strong arm QB being groomed in the system behind Smith.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
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by twoeightnine on Feb 13, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
So... 5?
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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Disadvanatage
The big disadvantage comes if the other WR’s are franchised. Reports are that Desean might get franchised. I’ve heard Bowe is not going to be going anywhere as well. There are teams out there who are going to drive the price up. There are probably 12 very good fits for Stevie outside of Buffalo (i.e. QB situatation figured out, cap space, opportunity and offensive scheme). If he gets to FA, the price is going to be way too high. And the more players that are tagged, the higher the demand and the higher the chance Stevie wants to get to FA.
Each side is just trying to get the best deal possible… negotiations always go to the last moment. Deal will get done… makes too much sense not to
Sort of like the whole strike issue.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Can they just franchise him so we can get over this already?
I’m starting to get tired of re-hashing the same story. I want a new one entitled “STEVIE STAYS IN BUFFALO!”
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:25 PM EST reply actions
PS that was in no way a dig against Brian and Co., I’m just tired of this will he sign, wont he sign stuff.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t all that long ago that only the elite of the elite WRs had back to back 1,000 yard seasons. So lets not overly praise Johnson for playing in this video game age of passing yardage. He’s not a top tier WR.
by Todd in Texas on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he isn’t yet. But there’s nothing about his game that makes me doubt he can be a top five wr. I think he’s already there.
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by chaucer on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I really hope the niners dont try and pry him from us
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by chaucer on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wat I love about stevie is his unbelievable quickness. Not speed, but quickness. It gives him an advantage over most cbs
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by chaucer on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Man.....
I remember a highlight from last year. We were at the two and Stevie broke wide, he looked exactly like a deer, and was immediately wide open. Amazing cut and burst. Hard to let a guy walk who can do that.
PS – I think Fitz missed him on that play though…… Sigh…..
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Buddy has told us......
Gailey needs a receiver who’s always open. If nix is going to pay a receiver upwards of 8.5 million dollars/ year he is going to give it to a receiver who is always open…..
You’ve read first here folks, Stevie walks and the Bills sign Vincent Jackson instead…..
And probably another to be the front-runner at number two.
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Stevie working out in Buffalo????
Did anyone hear the WGR550 interview with Rian Lindell where he talked about his contract from One Bills Drive and quickly mentioned that Stevie was in there working on out during Lindell’s interview. How many free agents stay around the facility to work out? Especially in the winter in Buffalo.
Working out in Buffalo, sending the Clarence kid to the SB after losing his father, the fact that I personally watched him shake hands with Bills fans (maybe family too) for 45 minutes after every player had left the field in San Diego………
Plus two thousand yard seasons – what more are we looking for to be the face of the franchise? Isn’t that character exactly what we are looking for and a big reason Jim Kelly’s is so beloved.
I can deal with a couple drops and two penalty flags a year with the hope that he grows up a little and matures. His two big drops were nowhere near what Lee Evans did this year and we paid him a lot more.

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