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What's the Diggity? Part 2

Since I felt my first post needed a prologue, but this post is equally long, (perhaps to the dismay of others); I will try to (but also fail to) get right to it.

This is my further evaluation of the Bills’ roster in its current state. In my last post, I covered the Buffalo Bills’ Quarterbacks, and the Offensive Linemen. For this next segment, I will be elaborating on the Running Backs (including FB- Chan might have, but I sure didn’t forget we have one), and the Tight Ends. Though I had planned to include WR, I think I would rather give each guy his due diligence, and just respect. (Plus, there are a BUNCHA WRs, and this post would have been just way too long). Additionally, by cramming them in here, along with making this longer, would mean that the 3rd would only be wrap up of the offense, and/or my total guesstimate mock draft.

Enjoy fellow Rumblers, and feel free to provide me some feedback. As you all know, I rarely avoid a poll… because we sure do all like a quick button press for that instant gratification, to find out if we are right, and confirm how smart we are… even though that small risk exists we might just be the dunce. ENJOY!!!

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Running Back: While this position has been reduced in the NFL, many teams that have truly good RBs have found ways to use them productively, and rely on them to carry them to, and sometimes through, the playoffs. I believe we have RBs capable of doing this, already on our roster.

Fred Jackson: Fred demonstrated this year that his game had elevated to put him in the top of the entire league, leading the league in yardage, at the time of his injury in week 10. He is "the engine" of our offense, and has significant abilities that he brings to our offense. Buddy Nix has claimed he wants to see FredEx retire as a Buffalo Bills player. I hope that he holds true to this, because as a fan, though I recognize his trade value (which I feel is a potential 2nd round pick, though I have received some contention on this belief), I still think that were I the GM, I would be kinda dumb to put him in the position to hold-out, which I feel would be his next recourse towards a pay increase(and rightly so). I re-sign him, for approximately 13 million over 3 years, with... wait for it… 8-9 million in guarantees. Some might think this low overall, some might think it crazy to pay him that much up front, but we are giving Fitzpatrick 4x this amount, so there is no way it is too much. First and foremost, he has been too significant, so far, that he has already earned that money. Additionally, I feel he is the driving force of our offense, while being underutilized. That, along with our relative need to stabilize the core of this unit, means we can't afford NOT to pay him.

C.J. Spiller: I called this pick. I wanted this pick. I stood by this pick. I have been rewarded with satisfaction for my patience. This kid has the potential to be similar to a Jamaal Charles, or even a Marshall Faulk/Emmitt Smith/Thurman Thomas (who I personally hate to even reference, but I feel like he has this inherent potential) caliber runner given our large line, and his shiftiness and speed. I also think he has NOT been used enough, considering he was a first round selection, and has more talent in one leg than most of our roster. I think that if I really were GM, I might have considered trading Fred week 6, just to get Spiller out there, and get some kind of value still from Fred. (However, Fred’s play was something that was probably too good to justify a trade, which is probably why he will be re-signed.)

Tashard Choice: While he may not actually be on the roster right now, I DO expect him to be re-signed, and if I were GM, I would do the same, much to the chagrin of many fans. Why so many others don’t see the value in the guy, I really am not sure. He can be an every down back, he is good in pass protection, he understands what Chan is trying to get done, and I see him and Johnny White as very similar backs, which means that Johnny will benefit from seeing Choice’s game, as well as his knowledge in the system. Though Johnny probably won’t see the field much the next couple seasons, he is a good reserve back, and with the three ahead of him on the depth chart, he has a lot of time to learn his craft, and can be an excellent second back to CJ in the future.

Johnny White: I feel White was a value where he was selected, and is worth having on the roster, especially since RBs suffer injuries. (Oh yeah, and I just spent half Choice’s space on him) He can’t be on the practice squad, and he is inexpensive, still has upside, and will only be released, should we feel that we are comfortable with carrying as few offensive linemen as we have consistently.

Tight End- a consistently underutilized position in recent years, the NFL TE can create mismatches against DBs and LBs alike. A talented pass receiving TE can provide a large weapon, a talented blocking TE can add another body to get onto a defender, or a versatile one, can do both. The addition of former Bills’ great TE Pete Metzelaars should help any TE on our roster, learn to improve their game. Aside from Riemersma, we have not had ANY TE who has been even close to effective as Pete was “back in the day”. This is the FIRST position where we are SIGNIFICANTLY lacking. We haven’t proven capable of using the guys we have to the most of their capabilities (somehow) and we still have relative unknowns on the roster.

Scott Chandler: This guy has some real potential, and he displayed it early in the season. I think he has been underutilized not only in this offense, but in general. In the beginning of the season Chan’s “hoped it keeps them (opponents) up at night”. How that means: “we don’t need to use this guy, even though he is tied with the leader at the position (Clarence’s own Rob Gronkowski) for total touchdowns scored, on FEWER receptions” is beyond me. I say we re-sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal because frankly, we need one. If it isn’t him, we need to find another candidate, either out of one of these next guys, or some unknown.

Lee Smith: I personally feel Lee is a solid, versatile TE. My issue is, that I have seen Mike Caussin, and Kevin Brock play as consistently. While this is likely due to their relative experience being similar, and their experience in the system similar, and the overall underuse of the TE in this system; without seeing each of these guys getting some more use, and work, I really don’t know how we as fans can assess them, and to speculate might not do any of them justice.

Mike Caussin: See: Lee Smith, replace “Mike Caussin” with Fendi Onubon.

Fendi Onobon: Fendi, is probably the one TE that is separated from this group. His background is in basketball, he has good size, and very good speed, but for all I know, he can’t catch a cold. We really need to see Chan tweek his system some, because it is ignorant to not recognize the advantages a large pass catching TE can do to a nickel/base/team without a large safety or athletic LB because this type of thinking carried teams this season. If we don’t find a way to match up, and give ourselves advantages as we have failed at doing so far, then we shouldn’t expect we can elevate ourselves to compete with them. As I pointed out, it would help our defense to have to cover some of these guys, and it would help our offense (especially our inaccurate QB who CAN find the mismatch) to develop them.

Kevin Brock:See: Lee Smith, replace "Kevin Brock” with any of the above.

Full Back: Full backs are often used as lead blockers in the NFL, but are a “dying breed” as most teams are running multiple WR sets, or would rather put the TE out onto the field.

Corey McIntyre: C- Mac is a true fullback, who we recently re-signed to a multi-year extension. He is a solid fullback, a good special teamer, a team leader, and a good veteran presence on the team. He is also, completely ignored in Chan Gailey’s system. For whatever reason, Chan insists on employing a spread offense, featuring the likes of undrafted free agents, and 7th round picks, rather than using the strength of the roster, the large linemen, and excellent RBs. I personally think this is more a matter of trying to “keep up with” the rest of the league’s passing attacks, but that it also fundamentally ignores the strength of the team. I would like to see more use of I-formation (strong/weak/standard) and more counters/traps (since we do a lot of zone blocking anyway) that our fast shifty RBs can take advantage of, instead of just relying on screens. I think it would be just as easy to get a “hat on a hat” with fullbacks and TEs blocking those LBs, than asking WRs try to do so.

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What do you think of the series so far?
I am enjoying your extensive analysis.
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Yawn. I want to hear about the guys who haven't even seen the field.
2 votes
Get to the defense already.
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You are still dumb.
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36 votes | Poll has closed

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Maybe i misread what you said but fred jackson is not a FA. But other than that i enjoyed it and i think Brock has potential to be a good TE.

by P2C5S on Feb 13, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

you are correct.

my mistake. I will edit that. he is not a Free Agent, but I do feel he would hold out, rather than play at his current salary. nice catch. Thanks.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brock could be a good TE too

but then, I still think that they are tough to distinguish from each other. Each has shown some ability, in limited action, and any of the above are worth a closer look moving forward. I am hopeful the reason we saw so few TE packages, was that we had so few that were ready to compete. I am hoping that this off-season will let them get “caught up” in a way, and that it can lead to more usage, as well as an expanded playbook.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted for option 2.

Right now the Bills to me are like those crazed baseball fanatics that look at minor leaguers (is that a word?) and take pride in knowing the guys with potential.

Also, Johnny White’s name is Not-so or Notso depending on where you originate from

I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman

by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Having coined “Notso”… I am aware. But knowing that other’s might find offense to said nickname, I chose to omit.

Additionally… option 2 was left really, as a joke, because I don’t know how other’s would expect a full analysis of individuals we have seen literally NOTHING from. I mean, I can offer my speculations, opening myself to further scrutiny, about something NOBODY has anything other than an ill-developed opinion of… just for the sake of arguments… or, I can provide my perspective on the players who matter, who are going to be around in the future, and who actually impact the roster. Perhaps you feel that Jasper is going to be a great OL/DL this season. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps you feel I should elaborate on other practice squad fodder, but once I reach my conclusion, and the guys I choose to keep on the active roster, perhaps you will understand why I didn’t spend the time on the “minor league players” (no that isn’t a word) who probably won’t impact this roster, at any point in this season.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

but we do know that Jasper is going to be a future HOFer don’t we? So we can at least talk about him right?

I can offer my speculations, opening myself to further scrutiny

that’s why i yawned the last article. :) Nothing to really debate – just how it is

Here – for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5twjj9mbo0

I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman

by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i realize there isn't much for debate

other than my own view, if other’s didn’t agree.

I am sure the culmination of this series, will include some surprise cuts, some interesting considerations, as well as some “controversial” material for debate, but I think it is better for me to provide my reasoning, and analysis, first.

You could add what you agree, or disagree with, should you want someone to comment. That is how blog posts generally work. If no one is disagreeing with me… I must be doing a pretty good job with my assessment.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i have watched that video over and over

so, it is no more fun than offering my analysis… thank you very much. hahaha. seriously though, feel free to comment on something I wrote, if you don’t agree, or if even if you do. I appreciate perspective.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Rahzel – he’s amazing

I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman

by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

sure, but what's her head there (butternuts? butterstuff?)

took over his role entirely, did she not?

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

from what I understand yes but he toured with FNM this past summer – opening – so i’m sure he’d show up at a show or on any new albums regardless of what it is

I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman

by J2 on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

cool cool.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Mike Patton. I remember him when he rose to fame with Faith No more. Great band.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 14, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post !
Some might think this low overall, some might think it crazy to pay him that much up front,

I agree, and to me that means your parameters are pretty much spot on (if some think it’s too low and others think it’s too much)

Re the TE’s – man, I want us to sign a good one so badly. Someone like Fleener in the 2nd would be nice (I was someone who wanted Gronk in the 2nd 2 years back – though I realise in Buffalo he would have likely been good but not great). Fleener had Luck throwing to him to be fair, however he was consistantly wide open especially in the Red Zone and that’s a great talent for a TE to have. Not thrilled with his blocking prowess, however I feel out line is decent and a pass catching TE is likely more valuable to us at this time than a blocking TE.

The Buffalo Bills - Drafting big and nasty men since 2011.

by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Will

I appreciate it.

I agree, and to me that means your parameters are pretty much spot on (if some think it’s too low and others think it’s too much)

Hahaha… fair enough. I just think it is hard for us to estimate his overall worth. I kinda hope he gets a significant payday, especially since it would back up my “above average” value of him, that other’s seem to disagree with.

I want us to sign a good one so badly.

I have wanted one for YEARS. I have blogged about it. I have bitched about it. I have lamented over it, and I have thrown up my hands in despair over it. Thought we had found one in Everett. Unfortunately, that worked out poorly in the scope of the NFL; while it worked out AMAZINGLY in terms of medical advance, and saving a TERRIBLE tragedy from happening to our team, to him, on the field, which would damage the whole support. Thank (your respective spiritual representative) that Cappucino (sp?) was associated with the spinal injury program (partially funded by Ralph) at Everett’s Alma Mater (if this isn’t one of the ‘best case scenario’ stories in the world, idk what is).

I felt similarly about Shawn Nelson, when he was selected as an obvious value. (he was another I advocated for pre-draft)… and then couldn’t get onto the field. Ultimately, I feel Chandler has been underutilized, and could just as easily end up being a Jason Witten for us. If not, he is for sure serviceable, and I wouldn’t turn my nose up at Carlson, or even Fred Davis; I am skeptical about TE development though, because only the “exceptional” seem to translate early. Most need multiple years to get acclimated. I do expect to include some draftees, in the wrap up, so feel free to comment on my future posts! Thanks for reading, and taking the time to comment.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Nelson was an obvious value pick, there was a lot of pass catching TEs valued between late 2nd round and early 4th round that year who were all considered “about the same”. Nelson was the last of them taken so on paper he looked like terrific value – shame it didn’t work out.

Well, you are 2 steps ahead of me re the TEs. I’ve bitched about it and thrown my hands up about it, but not taken the time to blog or lament over it :-)

I too thought Everett was going to be “the answer” especially after the Hurricanes had been a TE factory for a few years before hand. Very sad indeed as to how it ended up.

Not sure that Chandler will end up being a Witten for us – but it is the off-season and for those of us following non playoff teams it’s the time to dream afterall, so “why not” hey ! I’d be thrilled if he did, just not seeing those skills as yet. Still, he has only had limited opportunity up until now, so perhaps there is a greater ceiling than I give him credit for. I fear his ceiling to be more like Shiancoe however – good in the Red Zone, but never too many yards (Would love to be wrong though).

Carlson would be an intriguing addition as you say, I’m pretty high on him and think he has been under used in Seattle.

Great to see someone taking the time for some in depth analysis during the off season. A few of the guys of this blog have stepped up this year actually, great to see during this down time.

The Buffalo Bills - Drafting big and nasty men since 2011.

by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Nelson was an obvious value pick, there was a lot of pass catching TEs valued between late 2nd round and early 4th round that year who were all considered "about the same". Nelson was the last of them taken so on paper he looked like terrific value – shame it didn’t work out.

agreed.

Not sure that Chandler will end up being a Witten for us – but it is the off-season and for those of us following non playoff teams it’s the time to dream afterall, so "why not" hey ! I’d be thrilled if he did, just not seeing those skills as yet.

I saw glimpses of them, early, when we were using him. I wonder, if by design… we steered away from this approach, just to low all him in contract talks. Like, we might just not have even expected him to be so good. hahaha. Idk. maybe this is me “reading into” it too far. This seems to be something I do, sometimes, and it lands me in hot water. But, it seems odd to have developed, and use a weapon, claim that you hope that scheming for him will keep your opponents “up at night” and then… Reducing his role. I don’t get that, unless it was about money.

Carlson would be an intriguing addition as you say, I’m pretty high on him and think he has been under used in Seattle.

In his defense, he has battled some injuries. I personally prefer a more athletic, better receiver than him, but they are few and far between, and beggars can’t be choosers.

Great to see someone taking the time for some in depth analysis during the off season. A few of the guys of this blog have stepped up this year actually, great to see during this down time.

Thanks man. That was my hope. I enjoy being here, i enjoy the discussions (usually) and I think it is an ideal time to provide SOMETHING for people to read, and ponder. I also hope that even if my view seems pessimistic, or unrealistic, or just plain crazy, that at very least, it will allow me to explain my view. Perhaps some will appreciate my perspective, perhaps some will continue to hate on me, but all in all, at least I am putting it out there, and making an effort to explain my standpoints.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Not too sure re Chandler, he was a lot more productive early on, but it’s more likely that teams started to factor him in more which would explain the drop off in production. You’d have to doubt that they’d lowball him that early in the season. Very likely we just caught teams off guard early in the year and Chandler was not good enough / athletic enough to adapt. Afterall if he’s covered / not open then Fitz isn’t going to target him so often.

Agree re Carlson, though I feel he’s more athletic than Chandler and if given the choice of the 2 of them at the same money I’d take Carlson – he’s also a better blocker from what I’ve seen. Sure, he’s not elite and wont get 800 yards any time soon, but he strikes me as a good 600 yard guy if given the chance and healthy – not sure Chandler will get to that level though I could be wrong.

The Buffalo Bills - Drafting big and nasty men since 2011.

by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

re: Chandler- he did also suffer an ankle/lower limb injury, in like week 7 I believe, and then, it was all down hill on our offense. Hard to assess, I personally want to agree that it wasn’t “in the plan” and that it was less to do with his deficiencies, as it was the overall offensive woes.

re: Carlson- Idk if ‘more athletic’ is what I would call it. More overall talent, but equally developed. I guess, in a way, that is probably agreeing with you. I think I would agree that for the same money, Carlson has more upside, but that if we could land one, I would really really like to pull off both somehow.

I personally have zero reservations regarding Chandler, but I also know that I am in the minority here, as well.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I too like Chandler

Just not sure that I’d like us paying 4 or 5 million a year for what he currently brings to the table. Perhaps if he is 100% healthy he’ll being more, however I have to be honest that his lack of yardage outside the redzone bothers me.

The Buffalo Bills - Drafting big and nasty men since 2011.

by Will G on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

it would bother me too

if it weren’t for how infrequently we use TEs, in any capacity. I think that looking at the stats shows less, than watching the plays. I have the 30-minute Snap to whistle version of the games that you get on NFL Sunday Ticket, saved on my DVR (well I did until i watched them all 5 or 6 times each, on top of the live games that I watch for shear enjoyment) so i got more than enough opportunity to focus on individuals, and try to assess their overall game, within the confines of such limited usage.

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

if he was used more he would have more production

by forlife on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i concur.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they re-sign Chandler and also draft a reasonably talented TE prospect for #2 TE.

I don’t quite expect Gronk and Hernandez but I thought Chandler was good last year and I’d like to see a better 1-2 punch at TE than we Bills fans are used to. Kind of a ‘poor man’s’ Gronk/Hernandez combination, which would be fine given the Bills’ spread offense with 5 WR sets. They’re never going to get the kind of attention in the offensive game plan that the Putridiots include but I’d still like to see some semblance of some dangerous capability coming out of a 1-2 combo at TE for the Bills and that would need to start with keeping the decent TE we discovered last season.

by wpod on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

while trying not to provide all of my perspective before my wrap up....

i agree. I think that there is a good chance that we will add one in the draft, or that we we will certainly be looking at undrafted free agent TEs after the draft. For all I know, any of our current guys might already be an answer, or that they might be just as competitive as an unknown added. I have some guys in mind though….

to be continued. ; )

"mmmm... Glen honey, I have a question for you... What do you do for a living?"

"I have a question for you, too. Why are you still here?" ~ Glen Quagmire (Giggity Giggity Giggity Goo!)

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be happy just to see a 'big' (2TE) set... ever.

or any I formations. I want counters, and tosses, at least occasionally. Shotgun handoffs, don’t keep defenders from trying to get into the backfield. Screens are good, but not as effective as REAL running plays, IMO.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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