The Trade Fred Jackson Thread

The Internet use to be a better place – too many people now. :(

If I remember correctly, he’s missed at least a year (and I think I’m remember two) since coming out.

or was implying. He reads and sets up blocks like a seasoned veteran, but has never really suffered any significant injuries, as they relate to runners. Sure, a broken leg is rough, but I mean, Travis Henry ran on a busted (fractured) leg. So, I don’t really have any concerns about his abilities to be an NFL RB, back in the top of the league, this coming season.

I don’t think its SILLY that somebody is not going to offer us a 3rd or 4th for Fred.

Why? I would love for you to provide the logic behind your opinion, that says that he is not worth as much as a backup RB has commanded. You do realize, that Fred Jackson ended the league in the top 20 most yards in the NFL, after not playing for 6 games (more than a third) of the season, yeah? He was also in the top 20 in basically every category, including tied for 4th in most runs for more than 50 yards. By no stretch of the imagination, he might have ended the season with the most yards, highest average per carry of all starters (he had a near 8 yard average carry, and ended with 5.5) had he not been injured. I don’t see why EVERY SINGLE NFL team, wouldn’t consider at very least, a third round pick, for one of the single best RBs in the league, who ran behind a patchwork OL. That is unrealistic to me.

Or did I try to point out that Buffalo’s going to want something high, like a second, but no one’s going to give it.

Buffalo fans overvalue Jackson, which is why Nix should resign him and let him finish out here. No one Buffalo can take in rounds 4-5 will do as much as Jackson over the next 2-3 years.

If some folks that are not exactly NFL scouts, nor geniuses, like myself,
Allow them to post without ripping them. Yes, I’m talking to you TRT.

Everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion pal. I don’t see why you have to hurl insults, simply because I pointed that you want to express a questionable view, without being scrutinized. No need to be a dick.

No worries SMT, I didn’t take it at all negatively. I agree with DJ, in fact.

now that was funny SMT

*would

Man, I’m having a very difficult time with the typing today.

I thought about the Packers, but it doesn’t make sense to me. Ted Thompson built that team through the draft, and trading a 2nd rounder for a 30-year old back isn’t his MO.

What if we didn’t come to terms with an extension? you say "simply no way" yet… if traded, he doesn’t get a say.

So, you’re OK with trading Jackson to the Jets, giving them the power run game that provided their identity? I’m not. Buffalo wants the Jets to collapse under their own weight, not prop them up.

they are one of the teams, I imagined could consider moving their later 2nd, or even a future 2nd/3rd, because of need, and where they stand on their overall roster. They can benefit from Defensive upgrades… sure. but the potential exists.

Agreed, potential does exist. But the Steelers are getting older everywhere, and they have routinely brought in average backs and gotten great use out of them. So I don’t think they’d make the move.

Again, you make the point for me, in that they are going to select 2 first rounder’s and it could be argued they won’t find an upgrade/replacement for Benson, who already hindered them this year some, by being injured. Adding another veteran, with similar ability, makes losing Benson less significant. Also, Fred is so good in pass pro and catching out of the backfield, that Dalton would benefit from him being there. Benson is not much of a receiver.

I don’t agree that by Cincinnati having two first rounders, that they have more potential to make a move. Cincinnati is building a nice young team, and adding Jackson just for two-three years doesn’t make sense for them. Dalton needs a runner to keep the wolves at bay by pounding between the tackles. Jackson could do that, but at the cost of a second, it doesn’t make sense. There are plenty of free agent and rookie backs that can run effectively between the tackles.

The need exists. I think we would likely have to take a lesser selection with them, but I bet a third isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. They might have ZERO RBs, because Smith/Best/LeShoure already have injury issues, and they can’t feel REAL comfortable with yet another RB selection, when they have been limited by the last two they selected. A veteran is likely their main want, along with some more DBs.

I think the need exists, but I don’t think a trade for Jackson is right for the Lions. They don’t throw a ton anyway, so they need a running back rotation like the Saints use. Jackson’s a bell cow that needs touches. And with the Lions needing to add DE’s, I think that need trumps a trade with the 2nd round pick.

One team I forgot was Green Bay. The need exists, but it’s not Ted Thompson’s MO to trade picks for veterans.

But we’ll never get it.

Can I call you Dan? Appreciate it.

By a bit higher, than Marshawn, you would indicate, more than a 4th? Maybe a later 3rd? Maybe a player? Maybe a pick in next years draft? I think that if we only could get a 4th for Fred, that we shouldn’t be concerned in the least to sign him, because he is certainly more valuable to us than what we would get with a 4th. that view had been shared, and I didn’t disagree.

Ultimately, this is likely an exercise in futility, as we aren’t going to trade him, at all. If we did, it wouldn’t necessarily be outright. Also, the other teams don’t have the leverage that they did with Lynch. Did anyone really think we would keep Lynch after we selected Spiller, knowing that Fred had been the starter after ML fell outta grace, and then didn’t even bother to come to camp? (not that anyone notes this, either, when talking about how little we got for him)… Teams were waiting for us to cut him outright, so they didn’t need to invest anything significant. After being in the Pro Bowl, the playoffs last year with that great run, as well as being in the top 10 of RBs,one can pretty easily argue that we got the short end in that trade, and probably could have commanded more.

Fred has none of the character issues. He also has similar time in the league, more success in this season, and a clearly better overall running vision. If not for Skittles/new scenery… Many would still think ML just another “gangbanger” scumbag who shouldn’t have been in the league. Sure he has talent, and I totally like the guy, as he was another Pick (the first actually) that I hit on before the draft. But all that said…

Fred Jackson> Marshawn Lynch. At least IMO.

i must not have read closely enough.

and the fact that I said there’s about a zero to zero point 5 percent chance of this happening didn’t resonate with you? awesome

either way – GB, NE would be potential suitors as both are SB ready right now. While that might not jive with Thompsons philosophy he might make a dramatic move to try and win a few SBs over the next 3/4 years

any team would be happy to have him. but no one is trading away high draft choices for a 31 year old running back. it just isnt going to happen.

SO…. again, your whole stance amounts to his age. He is “too old”. Just like the guys who are “too small” and “too slow” and everything else that means you can discount his market value. If ALL you got is he is too old, while other younger players are not even getting onto the field, aren’t holding off a first round selection behind him, and is outperforming his already meager “over the hill” RB… why do we need him? ONLY because he will only fetch a 4th rounder? He wasn’t even drafted. That would be a great value to get back, right? Unless, his value increases based on productivity.

Obviously you don’t agree. That is 100% fine by me. What isn’t: Questioning my intelligence and view, for the sake of questioning. Just leave me be to my own ignorance, if that is your preference. I certainly won’t be disappointed by a lack of needing to defend my perfectly POSSIBLE view, that I share with a number of fans throughout the country. My only consolation is that when we don’t trade him… I will have been just as right, as if we had traded him (definitely for more than a friggin 4th round pick IMO)

that if not for SMT calling me out (you clearly must be able to read that, and should probably be able to note that my “abrasive” comments did not occur prior, nor are they that way with anyone except for him, and “boomsauce”, for their equally sarcastic nature in dealing with me.)

I mean, j2 asked the question. I provided my well documented view, that i am willing to backup, with explanation. To bring at me, the opposing view, with NO explanation (not simply one I don’t agree with, or one that I am unwilling to consider, or accept) for said rationale, and I am automatically the “bad guy” because I am willing to defend THE BEST PLAYER ON OUR TEAM??? If nothing else, this dismissive view, just shows/supports my view of this roster. If we couldn’t get more than a fourth round pick, for the BEST guy we have, we are in sad shape. More sad than these guys who want to think we are going to be competitive (which SMT has clearly advocated on his posts consistently.)

I am not “looking for an argument”… but I seem to find them nonetheless. Mostly, because sometimes my view deviates from the “general herd” and as I am not about to be another kool-aid sipping sheep, I am willing to advocate my view.

Too much emphasis on the value of a pick. My value is on a player that was our best on the field in many games last year.

Sorry guys, just because some have concluded that Nix and Chan are done here does not mean OBD will pack up and go away. They will continue to make the decisions that they feel will make this team better for the long haul even if it disapoints some of the fan base.

It might be some people feel that way, I certainly don’t since I don’t do mock drafts. I see a 2nd round pick as more valuable to the rebuild than Fred Jackson. And my fan love for Jackson actually makes me lean toward trading him more, to see him on a possibly more successful franchise. He’s one of my all-time favorites, but with a 2nd rounder we could (if drafted correctly) put another piece of the core unit in place this year and build from there. Jackson will not be part of the team in 3 years anyway, so why not get the guy who will be, now?

Way to kick the ant hill J2. Very entertaining…
Grabs popcorn.

I know, right? as he mentioned in my other post- he wanted a non-yawner. I figured, that though our view is not exactly popular (obviously)- what else is there to speculate on? A million different mock drafts, full of guys no one has heard of?

Coming from you?

When I post an idea, and it gets distorted, and I absorb attacks, it perfectly cool. And you’re among the attackers most days. To which I said, bring the attacks, it’s good discourse.

But J2 posts something, that the same thing happens, and it’s not OK?