2012 NFL Draft: Buffalo Bills Kept Arizona State Busy
by Brian Galliford on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 AM EST
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NFL teams - even the ones generally viewed as among the league's poorest at the craft - are extremely thorough scouting college players. Hours upon hours of game footage are reviewed by scouts and coaches alike, players are interviewed, and scouts spend time on campus talking to coaches and trainers trying to gather as much information as possible on prospects.
It's still intriguing to us, however, that the Buffalo Bills saw fit to have scouts present at four Arizona State football games this past fall. That's according to Chris Steuber.
The Sun Devils have a half-dozen prospects that will likely merit serious draft-day consideration, but two in particular - quarterback Brock Osweiler and linebacker Vontaze Burfict - could very well be gone by the end of day two. Burfict is a mortal lock as a first-round pick with a prototypical size-speed ratio; he's a 6'4", 250-pound junior entrant coming off a 69-tackle, five-sack season. Osweiler, meanwhile, is a one-year starter and early entrant that completed 63.2 percent of his passes for 4,036 yards, 26 touchdowns and 13 interceptions in 2011.
We've yet to really sink our teeth into draft prospect research here at Buffalo Rumblings, so this is for couch scouts everywhere: how interested are you in Osweiler and Burfict as potential Bills?
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I’m not high on neither. In my mind Burfict is a reach at no.10. But do Bills trade down he can be a okay pick. And as far as Osweiler i hope the Bills do not draft a QB before 5-6-7th round. There is bigger needs rightnow.
by Rolf Funch Hansen on Feb 14, 2012 8:21 AM EST reply actions
I have never understood this argument.
Don’t draft him 10th, but if we can draft back to 17 get him. When you need a QB to take you to the playoffs and hopefully beyond, that’s always your biggest need.
by As Smart as I Look on Feb 14, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
To start with the QB i think Fitz can take us to the playoffs if he has weapons and the defense gets better.
I think a pick has at certain value and Burfict doesn’t have the same value as no.10. He might end up being worth a top-3 pick, but you don’t know. The lower the number the smaller the risk.
by Rolf Funch Hansen on Feb 14, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
People would have said Tom Brady wasn’t worth taking 1st overall in his draft. Now? Not that this LB is the next Tom Brady on defense, but I find it silly to say there’s more value at 18 than 10. There’s no guarantee that the guy’s available to them if they find him valuable only after trading back.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 14, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And now nobody would pick Ryan Leaf at 2nd. Players have up- and downsides and whe you pick in the top-10 you need to be on the money with your pick. No.18 doesn’t have the expectations as a no.10. If you think a guy is going to be great take him at 10 and don’t trade down, but if your not certain than trade down and get a pick more in the draft. He might be available at 18 he might not, but then you can crab another “maybe great”.
by Rolf Funch Hansen on Feb 14, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
It's really just two different philosophies
One emphasizes maximizing the value of each pick by slotting players into predetermined locations in the draft. For example, a sure-thing highly talented player like Matt Kalil is clearly a great prospect, so he should be picked in the top 5; a highly-talented but hot-headed player like Vontaze Burfict represents a certain amount of risk, so he is not worth taking in the top 15 – if your organization wants him, then you trade down in order to maximize the value of your pick you had, while still getting the player you want.
The other mindset emphasizes that “we know who we want, let’s get him while he’s here.” This is the style that Buddy Nix has embraced in his years so far. While you miss out on getting the most draft picks for your chosen players, it guarantees you will get the players you like if they fall to you, and the argument can be made that if you draft wisely and your picks pan out, then they were worth the higher added investment.
Both philosophies have succeeded and failed over the years, so there’s no right or wrong answer here.
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by DanRoc on Feb 14, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i would argue that in that second philosophy, that team just happens to have that player rated higher than most others.
like most teams may say “burfict isnt worth a top15 pick”, but maybe buddy has him slotted at #8 or something.
i dunno if what i just typed makes sense. im just saying that that second philosophy isnt a philosophy at all- its just the result of teams grading out these players differently.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Sort of makes sense
I’m not sure how to explain it. For example, maybe Buddy Nix thought CJ Spiller was a top 15 pick, but because he filled the need for an electric runner and he would not last until the second round, that bumped up his value to make it worth reaching for him. I think your explanation works too.
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They picked spiller because he was the highest rated player on their draft board. Nix follows the pholosphy of sticking to your board. They had cj rated as a fall to them from the sound of their reaction to getting him.
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by matthew62 on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i would argue that in that second philosophy, that team just happens to have that player rated higher than most others.
like most teams may say “burfict isnt worth a top15 pick”, but maybe buddy has him slotted at #8 or something.
i dunno if what i just typed makes sense. im just saying that that second philosophy isnt a philosophy at all- its just the result of teams grading out these players differently.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Fitzpatrick
Go back & look @ our games…I’m not so sure Fitzpatrick is the answer! !!
by rexachss on Feb 14, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BUT,
if Brock is there in the 4th then they have to take him, let him spend a season or 2 learning behind Fitz then you have your franchise QB for 10 years, IMHO it is better to get our FRANCHISE QB now and i think Brock can be that guy for Chan
by forlife on Feb 14, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OR maybe,
take Kirkpatrick at 10, trade Mcgee for a 3rd round pick and take brock with it
agreed
And yet some people on this board still think we can get a 2nd for a 31-yo Freddie. Look at all the RB’s we’ve let go in the past – McGahee, Lynch.. They were all good for a few more years.. We could’ve saved ourselves a bunch of #1 picks if we just stopped drafting RB’s and kept the ones we already had (or even better – just hold onto Freddie)
by paythemannow on Feb 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
McGahee and Lynch appear to be personality conflict casualties. Had McGahee tried harder in practice and kept his mouth shut about the quiet nature of the area, and Lynch just stayed in his apartment eating skittles, neither would have been offloaded.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Chan has two more seasons if they continue to lose.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
If the Bills want Osweiler, they will likely have to use their second round pick on him (or even move up)
Most internet draft scouting sites are pegging Osweiler as the 4th or 5th best QB available this year. Someone ranked that high will not be available in the 4th round. He definitely is raw and will need a lot of development. The question is whether he has the talent to eventually become another Big Ben — or better. I think that’s why the Bills paid so much attention to Arizona State this year. This suggests that they are seriously interested in him, although that doesn’t mean they will necessarily make a move for him.
As for Burfict, I can’t imagine that he was the one the scouts were watching. Upshaw, Ingram, and several other pass-rushers are all better than him and at least one of them will be available at #10.
I’m not big on him from the little I know, but it picking him means avoiding another Troup-like player – it must come to be.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Burfict going to Buffalo. He seems like a headache that’s just waiting to happen. He is a ticking time bomb and while I have to admit i do love that “we are going to kill you” attitude on defense, it still has to be under control. I think the way he handles himself on and off the field could land him in the 2nd round. I think Buddy is there for Osweiler. He has great size and a huge arm that would fit in Buffalo nicely. The only thing that worries me about him is the fact that his body of work is extremely scarce and I’m not willing to give up on Fitz.
by BillsSabres1 on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
They don’t need to give up on Fitz if it’s anyone other than Luck or RG3. The Patriots drafted Mallet, whom many thought would be a starter on someone’s team. I think the two may be similar in ways.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
This
I would Love, I am saying he will be the best defender to come out of this draft, and I don’t even think it is close. Best part is, we could probably trade down to 20 and get him because of his “character issues” which I consider “just the normal for a crazy middle LB.” I would take Dick Butkas, o darn he was a meanie!
Shep is the Starting MLB for the net few years, and Burfict is no Ray Lewis, not smart enough, besides if OBD doesn’t take a pass rusher at 10 they should be taking Dre Kirkpatrick, he and Williams could be a great CB duo
I like him, I’ve liked him since he was a freshman. I think we need that intensity, of course he isn;t polished but the natural ability far outweighs any negatives for me.
by BillsThickNThin on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
See i don’t see that. Just because he plays very aggressive and looking to square up guys? I saw his so called “un sportsman like” penalties, and they were not that bad or un called for. I mean, one play, he hurdled the whole offensive line and almost blocked a field goal. I just see this guy as a natural freak at his position. With the right coaching, he will be one of the best LB’s in the league. He has the potential, size, speed and instinct. He has all the intangibles you cannot teach. He just needs to play smarter, not necessarily less intense. I would love to have this animal on our side running after Brady
My problems with Burfict are with his mentality, not his mental ability. He doesn’t play hard all the time (virtually disappears in half the games he plays in), and doesn’t have an off-switch when the game is on the line and a penalty will break his team’s back. He’s not a smart player. He may be a smart person.
by BillsfaninBoise on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
pass
Burfict seems to have terrible instincts out there. He’s big and fast but he is slow to react to plays. I haven’t seen enough of Osweiller, but he is at least intriguing with his size, arm and athleticism.
by Boogie on Feb 14, 2012 8:35 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Pass
While Osweiler’s production was there last season, I would like to see more experience at the collegiate level.
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Chris Kelsay is a good football player.
Brock is big strong and pretty athletic for his size has a cannon for an arm and has Fitz to learn from for a couple of years and then you have a FRANCHISE QB for 10 years if he had more experience he would be going in the 1st or 2nd round
This excites me a lot
Buffalo has the perfect situation to bring an ultra-talented prospect like Osweiler into and work on developing a future QB prospect. I’ve been saying all offseason that I think Buffalo needs to always have a young prospect working as a backup to use as either the future franchise or trade bait.
Burfict I’m not as high on, although I guess he could work at SLB. Maybe if he fell to the second round, I’d go after him. But he is an athletic freak.
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by DanRoc on Feb 14, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a good one to watch.
I think you see the good and bad with Osweiler.
by As Smart as I Look on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, I can’t really say that I was too awfully impressed by most of what at I saw in that video. I mean, sure, he could probably sling the ball 80 yards down field if he wanted to, but his accuracy and decision making kind of scares me a bit. It looked like he was off the mark a lot beyond ten yards and I guess it’s no coincidence that most of his completions were short throws. And that pick he threw in the endzone that went for a touchdown was pretty brutal to watch.
i didnt think he had too bad a game against boise… he did throw for 395 yards at a 63.8% comp. rate after all…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYAUD97lRQ&feature=player_embedded
thats osweiler vs. USC. he played really well in this game. lots of short passes from ASU, but osweiler also makes a handful of big time throws in this one
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
wow, a lot of bad in that
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Boise was probably his worst game of the year
Here’s another one, against USC, where he played a bit better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYAUD97lRQ
I think a lot of Osweiler’s problems stemmed from the offense he played in. It relied a lot on screens, quick outs, and HB checkdowns, and Osweiler’s arm is made much more for an offense like the Steelers run. He still hasn’t perfected the touch necessary for short throws in the flats.
He’s definitely a raw prospect – he has good overall mechanics and fantastic athleticism, but he needs to improve his decision making and accuracy. That’s what I think Chan Gailey, David Lee, and Ryan Fitzpatrick could improve, and why I’m such a huge fan.
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No Worries
Boise was probably his worst game of the year
We all know what a defensive powerhouse Boise State is.
/sarcasm.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
And why the sarcasm? I counted 6 near-picks in that game, and our secondary was by far the weakest part of the team. He didn’t have near as hard a time with Oregon or USC.
by BillsfaninBoise on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Not quite getting your meaning here
Last year Boise State ranked #16 in total defense and #10 in scoring defense. They were no Alabama, but able to do quite well stopping offenses.
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exactly
People look at his size on paper and automatically assume that anybody who studies under Fitz for 2 years will eventually become a 10-year franchise QB..
Come on guys, you need to watch some tape too. Most of this guy’s completions are to his RBs or short slants..
Personally I’d like to know who that #6 is that was able to pull off that one-handed grab from 2 feet behind him!
by paythemannow on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
BURFLICT!!!!!!
ROLB – Barnett
MLB – Shepperd
LOLB – Burflict
LB situation solved…
by BuffaloFanFromCT on Feb 14, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions
From watching film on Burfict, I love the violence he brings to the football field. There is an intensity there, along with a 200 mile an hour motor. When he hits someone, they know it. He can really uncork a shot. I think Burfict MIGHT be able to fit in our defense as a 4-3 OLB, with some ability to put his hand down and rush on clear passing situations.
The problem I see with Burfict is that he does not seem to play assignment sound football. Undisciplined is a word you hear a lot about his play on the field. For an NFL comparison, I think Lavar Arrington is a very good comparison. For a while, his physical skill will allow you to look past the lack of discipline, but eventually it will shine through
If anyone can mold Burfict
Its Wanny. I think Vontaze will be there in the 2nd, and we should grab him if he does.
by BuffaloChip on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Violent is definitely the right word to use. And good call with Arrington, I posted without reading first and used the same comparison. Burfict plays by his own set of rules, for better or for worse.
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i have to say
if he is a “arrington” sort, i wouldn’t be opposed to pulling the trigger on him. we need upgrades, and burning an early pick on anything but a pure athlete i think would be remiss. I prefer Kirkpatrick, or no one… at the CB position in the first two rounds. I could see us addressing this spot much later, as we did with Rogers.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think he shows decent anticipation and reaction. I also disagree that he plays undisciplined with regards to his assignment or with the angles that he takes to the football. That is not what I saw in this video.
Hitter not a Tackler
He doesn’t tackle he just hits. He is going to get injured when he gets confronted with an NFL level Player.
That just doesn’t fall over.
If he doesn’t get injured he will certainly get suspended.
Plus he doesn’t play Defense within the unit. He plays as an individual leaving his teammates out to dry time and time again to try and make a highlight hit
That is not what I saw in that video. That may be the case but that is not what I have seen that at all.
Sorry about that. I deleted some things out of that sentence and I forgot to rearrange it. What I was trying to say is that that may be the case but that it isn’t something that I have seen. I think the link that I gave is pretty fair. It shows his good plays and his bad plays. I have seen some of his big hits in Youtube clips but from what I saw in the video that I have a link to, I don’t think that he does it too much. At least that isn’t the impression that I got from the video. I think he diagnoses plays and that he knows how to wrap people up.
If
…he gets at the quarterback half as good as he points, then we had better take him at 10.
by Jean Rasczak on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t like players with one year of college experience. The NFL is not a friendly place to a QB with little experience. I don’t like his chances even sitting on the bench for two years.
Pass.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions
And I realize Cam Newton was a 1-year starter. Still doesn’t change the way I feel on the matter.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and to add to that. If we wouldnt take Ryan Mallett in the third last year, why would we take a less accomplished player this year?
Because it's not
last year. And lest we all forget, Mallett had some pretty serious character red flags leading into last years draft.
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Osweiler: Yes.
Burfict: No.
Osweiler is an enormous guy whose a lot more athletic than you expect. hes obviously got a lot to work on, but if osweiler develops properly he could turn into a big time NFL quarterback
Burfict is a head case. ASU coaches repeatedly took him off the field or just demoted him to second string because hes so undisciplined in both his assignments and racking up 15 yard penalties. if he ever got his head on straight burfict could be a great player. but why take the risk on someone like that with a high draft pick? his college coaches lost faith in him, and thats really all i need to know
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Buffalo not the place for Burfict
You always root for these young players to come in to the NFL and have a Healthy prosperous career, for that reason it’s probably best for both the bills org, and burfict, to not make him the selection. Welker, Gronk, Hernandez will give him all sorts of issues, plus I don’t see him as top ten talent.
by weebey on Feb 14, 2012 9:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not excited about either player!
In fairness to Arizona State, the only game I watched them play all year was against Boise State in the bowl game. In that game however, they were atrocious. Not a single player other than Gerell Robinson stood out on their team in that game. I don’t even remember seeing Burfict in the game, and I was aware of him and looking for him throughout. I do remember seeing Burfict make some great plays the previous season, but I saw more 15-yard penalties than he makes up for in big plays. He’s the prototypical head-case along the lines of Albert Haynesworth, and will never be happy in a place like Buffalo. He seems to only play only when he wants to play, and that doesn’t bode well for a team that usually struggles as of late. Osweiler is OK, but we have an OK QB already. I prefer a scrappy underdog with heart when it counts to a 6-8 combine superstar. Osweiler is this year’s Blaine Gabbert in my humble opinion…I don’t understand why teams are so hung up on a quarterback’s height when the position is more cerebral and leadership-oriented.
by BillsfaninBoise on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Burflict would be a great guy for the ravens to pick.
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by matthew62 on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You’d think people would have learned a lesson from Rick Mirer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
We have a lot more scouts......
Now I think. I would hope we saw all teams four times with four sound prospects.
Me, I love the sound of burfict. He sounds like a young ray Lewis. And if he is, you take him.
But, it figures, we just got a young MLB to groom last year….things never seem to fall right for the Bills…..
I bet Miami takes the #1 DE a slot before us.
Sigh…..
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… the Buffalo Bills saw fit to have scouts present at four [ASU] games this past fall. That’s according to Chris Steuber.
Maybe the scout was checking out the players on the other teams that just happened to be playing the Sun Devils.
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions
Burflict.
Yup. I want him. Ive wanted him for the past few months. I would love to add his intensity to our defense. Ive wanted a player like him in Buffalo for the longest time. If we want to be a big, nasty, feared defense… adding Burflict is a huge piece to that puzzle.
The only QB I want, since Luck and RG3 wont be available, is Russell Wilson. I want to take him with one of our 4ths. Everyone is saying hes too small, but the kid seemed like one helluva QB and athlete last year and until he proves he CANT play in the NFL, I want to be the team that sees if he CAN.
Lets Go Buff a lo!
Looking forward to your draft coverage Brian- top shelf stuff
the lb a target in early 2nd?
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 14, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions
I’m not sure what to think of Osweiler. I see the positives and negatives and they’re both totally logical to me. I think he’s a good mid round developmental pick that I’d be very careful not to reach on. I just can’t get a good enough feel for him to go beyond that. Is he too tall? Is he so poor of a fit in Buffalo’s offense that learning behind Fitz is actually a bad situation for him?
Garth Gerhart is a center who may be drafted. Although, he’s also 6’1’’ and just doesn’t seem like a player Nix will be all that interested in.
CB Omar Boldin has early/mid round talent and was being talked about as a 3rd round pick before he blew out a knee or had some other serious injury last year when he was a junior. Very good athlete who still needs some developing and is a good mid/late round option for any team.
AZ State also has a pair of WRs who will at least get camp invites from somebody.
Gerrell Robinson is built more like a LB than WR, but won’t seperate in the NFL and is a depth special teams guy. At his best down the field (18 yards per catch), but is only going to be a jump ball player at the next level. Super productive senior year though with 1,400 yards receiving, good for 2nd most in school history.
Mike Willie is also a bigger player 6’3’’, 210 and according to Wes Bunting’s scouting reports, has the short area quickness to be a good enough route runner to warrant a roster spot. He seems like a potential fit in the Bills’ offense, but at the same time is only the kind of not dynamic at all down the field, only an underneath option that Buffalo already has.
Burfict is really interesting. He’s huge and one of the hardest hitters in recent college history. He moves around well enough and covers well enough that he profiles as a guy who should eventually be a 3 down linebacker and considering his size, that makes him a viable option for any LB spot in a 4-3.
Then there’s the negatives. A lot of people love his instincts, I think they’re very average. I think those people are mistaking aggression for instincts. I say that because he’s wrong …. a lot. You’ll see him fly to the right gap and make a big stuff for a one yard gain, but you’ll watch him fly to the complete wrong gap the very next play and give up a 6 yard run as a result. His aggression will then run hot and cold as a result or he’ll take dumb penalties because he can kind of pout on the field at times. Scouts heavily criticize his ability to shake off a couple bad plays and he’ll become a completely different player if things don’t go his way.
As a comparison, I’ll throw Sean Weatherspoon out there, not because it’s a good comparison, but because I think they’re exact opposites. Weatherspoon lets the game come to him and fits every 4-3 type scheme like a glove as a result. Weatherspoon is patient, coachable and scheme versatile, but you also don’t see him taking down RBs for a no gain other than on rare occasion. Burfict goes out and gets it. He’s kind of like Lavar Arrington in that a team may have to account for Burfict within their own scheme because he may free wheel it too much in the NFL. Like Arrington, Burfict has an outrageous amount of natural ability that compensates for that though.
Overall, I think Buffalo is in a great spot to pick Burfict. I think that because there is no way that I would even consider him with the 10th pick. Too much risk and too much of a pain in the behind to take there. But if he slides down to the 2nd round, he becomes a good pick. Less risk, you don’t need him to be a three down player right away if you take him in the 2nd round. You can ease him into the NFL some and not have to throw him into the entire playbook right away. You can force him to spend a lot of time on the bench and maybe humble him some. He needs to learn how to deal with things not going his way and get better as a result. He needs to learn from his mistakes instead of going the other way and becoming less engaged and less coachable.
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by kaisertown on Feb 14, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
nice
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
A problem there is with your plan.....
First rounder he is.
See iI do….a raven he will be…..
A dark Seth he will be…..
Destroy him we must.
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by podunkowego on Feb 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is a good explanation and does fall into buddy's drafting strategy
I think they took Aaron Williams last year in the 2nd round almost solely because they had a 1st round grade on him and a significant one enough that they couldn’t go in any other direction with the pick when they picked him…
Same could be said for Burfict in the 2nd if he is there and Osweiler if available later.
thanks for the analysis Kaiser
recd.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I personally think we should focus on other positions this draft and take a QB in next years draft when we have less holes. Only QB I would take would be Case Keenum at the 6th or so because by that round everyone is a project and your not wasting a pick that could be used to fill a hole.
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by ChewyFL on Feb 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Also....
You can put him on the practice squad or have a great problem.
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by podunkowego on Feb 14, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What do you guys think of #8 WR Robinson?
Doesn’t look super fast but he’s big and gets open and has good hands. Love the play against USC where he pulls in the TD despite having a defender grabbing his right arm. Reminds me of a Herman Moore.
Im still against Burflict
but if the Bills draft him at ten i’ll support him 100 percent. I would love Ostweiler in the second. The dude has an insane ceiling. He’s not Cam Newton yet, but all the tools are there for him to be that type of player.
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ASU recruiting is similar to what they did with UNC last year...
The Bills saw a lot of NFL players at UNC even though their program was in shambles and guys were suspended, etc. They didn’t let that bother them when they made their draft grades and obviously took guys like Johnny White and DaNorris Searcy. Greg Little and Robert Quinn were also two NFL players from that program that were drafted and made an impact as rookies for the Browns and Rams.
We might see the same for Burflict, Osweiler or other ASU players (Bolden, Robinson, Garhart)
Burfict
He may be a prototype round 1 player but right now his other issues have him projected more 2nd or 3rd round. I’m not against taking him and am not saying he won’t rise the boards once combine etc. comes around but right now far too big a risk in round 1.
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We’ve yet to really sink our teeth into draft prospect research here at Buffalo Rumblings, so this is for couch scouts everywhere: how interested are you in Osweiler and Burfict as potential Bills?
Having not really gotten too far into research yet myself…. i am still very interested in both.
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