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A new idea for our CB position


There has been a lot of talk here on Rumblings of late about the CB position. Most of this seems to have been spurred on by the recent visit of Routt to OBD, and Pete Prisco's recent top 50 FA's story which showed that there is serious depth at the CB position this year.

It seems that most rumblers believe that we can upgrade the position this offseason in free agency and stay cap neutral by cutting several of our higher paid vets (I agree). There are several different ways that I have seen recently on how we should do this. Before we get any further lets put out some facts.

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T. McGee - Starting quality but often injured CB that is in his fourth year of a 5 year contract. His cap value this year is 6.3M but 4.2 M of it is dead money and will be paid out even if he is cut, saving the team 2.1m in cap space. Next year his cap value would be 7.2M with 2.1M in dead money and if he was cut then it would save the team 5.1M in cap space. With his injury history getting worse he will not finish this contract.

D. Florence - Has a lot of experience starting at CB but he is just below average for a #2 CB. He is in year two of a three year contract. His cap value for this year is 4.917M and his dead money is only 1.333M , saving the team 3.583M in cap space if he is cut this year. Next year his cap value is 5.917M with 667K in dead money and if he was cut then it would save the team 5.25M in cap space. I cant see the Bills paying this kind of money out for a nickel back so it is not likely that he finishes his contract.

L. McKelvin - Very talented but Inconsistent and under performing, former first round pick of the Bills that just cant seem to find the ability to get to the top of the depth chart. He is in the last year of his 5 year rookie contract. His cap value this year is 2.685M of which 2.332M is dead money the Bills will only save 353k by cutting him this year. McKelvin is not going to crack the top two on the depth chart again this year but if you are going to pay a couple million for a guy you might as well let him be depth for one more year as cutting him does no good at all.

A. Williams and J Rogers were both drafted last year and are a lock to make the team and as such are not relevant to the content of this post.

It is obvious to me that this position can be upgraded. It is also obvious that we need to continue to add to this position through the draft. So I think we will be adding two new CB's to the mix in the coming months.

If my math skills are up to par then that makes seven players that will have to be trimmed down to five for the final roster. At first glance it seemed pretty easy to me to cut McGee and McKelvin. This is a position that I think many of you would share. It would leave a depth chart of Williams, FA pick-up, Florence, Rogers, and draft pick. This option would also cut 2.453M off of this years cap that would at least partialy pay for the new FA pick-up. This is a serious option as it is an upgrade with a small cost.

Then being the cheap skate that I am I got to thinking about what it would look like to cut McGee and Florence in an effort to cut more cap space and still improve the roster. I think it does acomplish that goal, and if the extra cap saving is invested back into the new FA signing then it could save the team cap money and improve the quality of the top two CB's, while only slightly decreasing the quality at the nickel back and that for only one year bc IMO Florence would not make the 2013 roster. The depth chart would end up looking like this. Williams, better FA pick-up, McKelvin, Rogers, Draft pick. The cap money saved with this option would be 5.683M, a whopping 3.23M more than the first option, and again if that 3.23M. is used to get a much better FA this year it would drastically improve this positon this year and for the long run.

Then I had a new idea this morning that got me to thinking. I am still not completely on board with this idea but it does have some merrit in the short term. The idea is this, what if we asked McGee to renegotiate his contract. We, he, them(other teams) all know that he is good but do to injuries is no longer reliable, and therefore is being greatly overpaid. He knows he will not get paid the money he is getting here on the open market, and he has to know that the team needs to make some changes at the position to improve. These changes will almost certainly involve him being cut if he does not renegotiate. The Bills have been very good to McGee through the years and it seems that most players that currently have the option to leave the team have said they would like to stay. I dont think it would be that far fetched that a player like McGee would like to finish his career in Buffalo. It also does not seem to crazy IMO for him to prefer 1-2 million a year for another three years over similar money and have to move around to get it. If he gets cut he will make a team somwhere, but will he only be there a year and then have to move again? The thing I really dont know is how will this affect the sallary cap? If he renegotiates the contract will it change the cap to the Bills favor? Is McGee worth keeping around a few more years if the money was right? I think he would be worth keeping for lets say a three year contract worth 1M a year plus another 1M a year if he stays healthy. He could then be moved to the nickel back where he would see less time and could stay fresher. The depth chart would then look like this. Williams, better FA pick-up, McGee, McKelvin, Rogers. No draft pick is needed until next year to replace McKelvin. The Team would still save 3.583M in cap for this year to put towards the FA. IMO this is the best depth chart of the three but is it worth the risk?

Poll
which is the best option for the Bills at CB?
Cut McGee and McKelvin and use there cap money towards a FA starting CB
28 votes
Cut McGee and Florence and use there bigger cap money towards a better FA starting CB
52 votes
Cut Florence, renegotiate McGee and use the cap savings towards the better FA starting CB
70 votes
I have a better idea that I will comment on
10 votes
It does not matter, Nix stinks. This team stinks and nothing they do this year will fix that
7 votes

167 votes | Poll has closed

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weak draft for pass rushers

Janoris Jenkins is a top notch corner that will still be on the board at ten . if the draft is as weak as in DE as i read then there will be a option at 42 say … Andre Branch , Vontaze Burfict , Jared Crick … are all options that will likely be available

by ONEREALMAN on Feb 15, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

Andre Branch , Vontaze Burfict , Jared Crick … are all options that will likely be available

you just listed three players with extremely different skill sets that fit into totally different roles in the pros. what position are we talking about here, exactly?

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Feb 15, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m filling holes with affordable talent. This is a draft so you make a list of potentials becuase there is no guarantee

by ONEREALMAN on Feb 15, 2012 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cut Drayton, consider renegotiating McGee, McKelvin is paid regardless.. why cut him?

If we lost Drayton, and McGee, but added… for example, Routt…. I wouldn’t be disappointed.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Me either, that would be fine. Routt is like Flo, but with better skills. And McGee never sees the field anyway.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 15, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

Leo isn’t a value as a cut, he is a value as depth/potential starter.

Flo is slow. If you are going to get penalties, at least also be able to keep up, occasionally. That is what Routt is for me.

No way Terrence is worth paying ANOTHER 6 million, to not even play. For that, we could have kept Maybin.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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“No way Terrence is worth paying ANOTHER 6 million, to not even play. For that, we could have kept Maybin.”

So at what price would you say he becomes a value as an experienced nickel back with limmited field time? Factoring in the risk that he could still get hurt even in a limmited role, but if he does stay healthy he could be one of the best nickel backs in the league.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

probably around 3.

maybe even 4. he is still faster than Florence is. (even after being injured multiple times), and is a solid cover guy. He has played well in the slot. All that said: We draft Kirkpatrick, and i see our lineup being

Dre, Williams, McKelvin, Rogers, Corner… and both McGee and Florence COULD end up the odd men out. I personally think we should consider moving Flo to safety, to offset the potential loss of Bryan Scott, and to add safety depth, while keeping us with 5 CBs, a depth CB (in Flo) as well as the same number of safety prospects. I think that creates competition at all spots, because if needed, Byrd can play slot, with Flo and George/ George and Searcy manning the back end. Throw in Nesbitt (What is he? lol) and we have a similar group of guys, that make me far more comfortable.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a few more ideas i will pose, with the defensive analysis

when i finally get it completed.

"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."

~Socrates

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

food for thought, especially on McKelvin’s roster spot. Good job!

by Nepenthe88 on Feb 15, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Cutting McKelvin

doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t save enough money and ruins any depth that we do have. Any chance McKelvin could be a nickle back/back up FS? I could see him being very good playing the center field role to spell Byrd if he needed a breather or got hurt (knock on wood).

McGee can’t stay healthy, so I couldn’t blame them if they decided to cut him. I’d also keep Florence to see if he can turn it around this year, and if not, cutting him next year would safe significant money.

I’d still like to see them try to sign a FA and draft a CB.

by TCMiller30 on Feb 15, 2012 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

mckelvin they should hang onto. hes cheap. hes good on special teams. you can do a lot worse with a backup cornerback.

florence is the best playmaker theyve had at cornerback for the past 2 seasons. while hes been no better than average, its important to have playmakers in the secondary. florence stays.

mcgee cannot get on the field. we all know this. mcgees gotta be let go.

florence and mckelvin shouldnt be handed roster spots tho. bring in 2 fresh corners (FA + draft or 2 draft picks) and force all these guys to play their way onto the roster in training camp.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Thats just it if we do what you say Florence will not be starting.

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“florence and mckelvin shouldnt be handed roster spots tho. bring in 2 fresh corners (FA + draft or 2 draft picks) and force all these guys to play their way onto the roster in training camp.”

Florence would be the nickel back. Which means he is on the field half as much for that 4.92M dollars. He cant be expected to be a playmaker(personaly I think that is a little strong of a word, I would lean more towards oppertunistic) when he is on the bench half the time. When you look at keeping him as a nickel back for just under 5M or cutting him and saving 3.583M, I just think it is time to let him go.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

sure florence would be the de facto nickel back, but he would see a lot of playing time in that role- so i wouldnt be too concerned with his pay check.
also, injuries happen. its pretty unlikely that williams and routt manage to play all 16 games. when one of them gets hurt, theyd be really happy they kept florence.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Feb 16, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

It's really hard to evaluate the QB position on the Bills

No corner is going to be very good when the QB has 10 minutes to throw the ball. I’m not saying the position is solid by any means – McGee has lost his speed and can’t stay on the field – Florence shows flashes but takes too many stupid penalties – McKelvin nothing but an overpaid special teamer – but when you consider our non-existent pass rush, I don’t know what can really be expected from the corners on this team.

I’d let McGee go, sign a replacement level free agent corner and take someone with upside in the later part of the draft. But we have more pressing needs to target with our top resources.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 16, 2012 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

In your CB depth chart you should put Rogers in front of McKelvin

That’s where things stood at the end of 2011 — Rogers was ahead of McKelvin on the depth chart. He was starting as the nickel back and McKelvin was on the bench. Given how well Rogers played, there is no reason to think he wouldn’t be ahead of McKelvin again in 2012, and possibly ahead of Florence as well. That said, I don’t see the Bills cutting McKelvin in 2012 for the reason that he provides cheap experienced depth.

by Macktruck on Feb 16, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed...

…and assuming that the Bills sign one of the better FAs (Routt or Carr?) and draft another one in the top three rounds — stacking talent on talent — McKelvin might effectively replace Corner on the depth chart as he gets bumped down another spot. I know he doesn’t get a lot of love around here, but when McKelvin is your worst CB, that’s a pretty strong line-up.

(I would also expect that this year McGee gets released due to health+budget considerations and next year Florence might be replaced by a draft pick and either moved to FS or released.)

"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." --Anais Nin

by Bogeyman on Feb 16, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You are right about that

I guess it was just a gut call.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

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