What's the Diggity? Part 4
For the next post in my series, I am going to make an attempt at addressing the needs that I have suggested exist for our offense, as well as elaborate on why I feel these players are prospects that we should consider. While I recognize it is early, and that there are many, many prospects that we might consider; here a few that could be fits, as well as available, at times when we might select them. This is basically entirely a guesstimate, of whom or where we might take a guy… but on the whole, that type of speculation is all that you are likely to find right now. If nothing else, maybe this gives you a few guys to pay attention to if you plan to watch the NFL Combine. If you don’t… Never fear! I intend to do updated versions (shorter, but hopefully more player specific looks) of this series, for you to consider, and I am sure that Brian and the rest of the crew, will surely provide us a number of articles filled with oodles, upon oodles of prospects. In the meantime: Here are a few guys I myself, might consider for addressing some of our glaring needs.
In order to check out the other parts of this series, part one (QB/Offensive Line) can be read here, part two (RB/TE/FB) here, and part three (Wide Receivers) here. Thanks go out to my fellow Buffalo Rumblings fans for reading my offensive posts (as in post on the offense, not my all too-oft posts that offend), and offering their feedback.
Need #1: Backup QB
Some of you think Tyler Thigpen is a suitable backup. I really have no idea why. Most will refer to the time he was starting for the Kansas City Chiefs, as some sort of evidence of his inherent capabilities. Even when considering this season of moderate (at best) success; I feel as though it would be in our best interest, as well as the best interest of Fitzpatrick, and any potential draftee added, to have a true veteran presence at the backup QB spot. Some guys we might consider?
Brady Quinn: Quinn is not the ideal candidate, for running the type of offense that Denver is going to employ, with Tim Tebow. I could see them trying to find another mobile QB to be a backup, and with Orton’s unseating as the starter, as well as being an impending FA, both QBs are likely to be elsewhere this coming season. Quinn had experience in Charlie Weiss’s pro style offense, which featured a lot of spread, as well as quick short passes. He could be a consideration, as a “hulked out” version of Trent Edwards.
Jason Campbell: Campbell will be looking for a starting role, but he will be doing so, with limited options. He has the ability to be mobile, so Denver could be a landing spot. Regardless, he has a stronger arm than Thigpen, more experience, would create competition for Fitzpatrick, and ultimately is perhaps the best prospect available, that won’t necessarily be re-signed to their most recent team.
Shaun Hill: Hill has the skills that Chan seems to look for in his QBs. While he may not feature the strongest arm, he has mobility, can move outside the pocket, and is decent at reading defenses. He is no worse than Thigpen, maybe better than Thigpen, and at least he isn’t named Thigpen. I see him as a possibility, but probably only because I really have no idea why we should keep Thigpen.
(NOTE: Addition made)
Charlie Whitehurst: Whitehurst should not have been an afterthought for me. I can't believe I forgot to put him out there. Though there is little tape on him, he hasn't earned many starts, and lost out to Tarvaris Jackson... As a former San Diego Charger, Buddy might have his eyes on him. He is probably a system QB, not unlike Matt Flynn, and could be a solid backup, for us, as well as just being re-signed to the Seahawks.
Vince Young, Josh Johnson, David Garrard: Any of these guys are athletic, mobile QBs with adequate arm strength. While Johnson may lack the experience that the other two bring, Vince is just as likely to re-sign in Philly, and Garrard has been away for the entire year. Either of these guys is still better than Thigpen, because they have more experience, more ability, more upside, and therefore create more competition, as well as a better potential for success, should the need for a backup to play, surface.
While I do recognize there are many other candidates available, and many others I might consider ahead of Thiggy, feel free to add any additional prospects for a veteran QB addition, in the comments section below. And so… moving on…
Need #2: Offensive Tackle
While the re-signing of Demetrius Bell might provide some fans a level of comfort; Demetrius Bell has been too-oft injured, to expect that he is the end all be all solution, for our tackle depth, let alone as a starting LT. I fully expect the Bills to address this need further. Perhaps they will continue to scour the waiver wire and free agents after the draft, perhaps they will draft a candidate, or perhaps they feel that the answer is already somewhere on the roster. A few prospective players that might be considered, and most of who will be recognized include:
Ryan Kalil: Any Bills fan, who doesn’t think that Kalil (6’7” 295 approx) would be a STEAL at #10, should just stop reading now. Stop being a fan of football. Stop reading this blog. Just kidding. In all seriousness though, he is probably the most well rounded prospect available. He was superb manning the blind side for Barkley. He isn’t the best run blocker, and didn’t maybe face any real “elite” pass rushers consistently, he is a junior who has a TON of upsides still, and is already pro ready to man the LT spot.
Riley Reiff: Reiff is another LT of near prototype size (6’6” 300lb approx) who is very balanced. He will be a top 10-15 pick, and we would be lucky to have him. He is equally good at run blocking, as he is a pass blocker. He also “got off easy” regarding pass rushers he faced, as few of them were outstanding by any measure.
Mike Adams: Adams (6’7” 323 approx.) showed pretty well at the Senior Bowl. Though his season was marred with a suspension, and his “character issues” may keep him from being in the first round. This could mean a relative steal, in the second round, for a team like Buffalo. Some sites note that smaller speed rushers could give him trouble, on pass downs, but that he would dominate them in the run. He could be a guy who translates better as a RT moving forward.
Nate Potter: Nate Potter (6’6” 300 approx.) out of Boise State is an interesting prospect for me. He is probably a better run blocker, but the nature of the Boise offense, dictates a need to keep his QB Kellen Moore upright, if they wish to have success. Sure, this is the case for any offensive lineman, but Potter proved effective especially with his quick feet, though his lack of “elite” strength probably makes him a day two selection. Ultimately, he might project ideally, as a LG, but I think that he could provide LT depth, should the need arise. He MIGHT be available, in the third round.
Brandon Mosley: Mosley (6’5” 305 approx.) is likely a RT, a strong run blocker, and is very raw. He is probably a late round pick, no earlier than the 4th. Being from Auburn (Nix’s Alma Mater) he is certainly a prospect we might take a flier on, should he be around still in the 5th or 6th.
While there are many other prospects, I am not going to make this longer than it already is going to be. You might also notice that I don’t include free agent offensive tackles, as viable solutions. While I think that taking guys who are already acclimated to the league, and its play, is an overall positive, the fact remains that free agents need to be enticed with significant contracts. I think that if we aren’t paying Bell, we aren’t paying most other suitors. With his re-signing (which might not even adequately address the need) we would still need a potential OT to groom, thus the reason for the handful of prospects above.
Need #3 Weapons
I realize these posts been long, and extravagant, but I hope they are informative as well. While most of you might want me to be more elaborate (is that even possible? lol) and provide a ton of options for both… I am going to lump together the WR/TE need, into one need: An offensive Target. Most people can probably agree that we could use a boundary WR for our “true #2” as well as an athletic TE (or two) to help our at VERY LEAST, somewhat inaccurate QB. Any large body target, with decent range, could be an upgrade to what we already have at those positions. Here are a few guys, at each spot, that we not only COULD have a chance at, but would be clear upgrades, and help us address our offense, before using MOST of the draft on defense yet again, as it is clearly going to be the bigger focus, between offense and defense.
Justin Blackmon: Blackmon (6’1” 208) is the type of WR that any team in the league would want. While I don’t think that we have ANY chance in the world to attain him, it is silly to not at least mention his potential to upgrade our passing attack. Blackmon is regarded not only as the best WR prospect, he is maybe the best overall prospect, that doesn’t play QB.
Michael Floyd: Floyd (6’3” 218) displayed his skills this year, and why he is such a mismatch against defenses. This year, he caught 100 receptions for 1,147 yards and nine touchdowns. Floyd has excellent hands and concentration as well as excellent size, speed, quickness and body control. He looks like true No.1 receiver in the NFL. Making Floyd's draft stock a little difficult to estimate are the off-the-field issues from previous years. It is difficult to determine right now how heavily NFL teams will hold those run-ins against him. If not for these “character issues” he would clearly be the second best WR, at very least.
Alshon Jeffery: Probably the biggest knock on Jeffery (6’4” 233) was the poor and inconsistent play at the QB position. While this isn’t inside of his control, his statistics suffered from this reality. He also has some separation issues, because of his size. That said, his stock relies heavily on the Combine. Some people think that he is a great prospective WR for the NFL. He still managed 8 touchdowns, making him a solid red zone candidate. He is one, I intend to try and watch for hip flex, vertical, and how strong/soft his hands are. He could be a very, very good WR, and at the same time, could be available outside of the top 10. While I don’t think he is necessarily going to fall from round 1, there are quite a few WRs in this draft, and they can’t all be selected early.
Dwight Jones: Jones (6’3” 220) is maybe a player that the Bills have been watching for a while. I think the fact that we took some of the UNC players last year, could be a product of paying attention to Jones. He is a big, fast prospect, and I think he will end up being quite similar to Greg Little, and therefore might be available in the second round, or even early third, depending on the Combine tests.
Kendall Wright: Wright (5’10” 190) is not a large body receiver, as so many of ours currently are. That said, we have said we would like to find a slot WR prospect, and the Baylor WR could be just as good of a candidate, as any. Wright is likely to run sub-4.4 and could be a similar player to Mike Wallace. Expect him to draw some attention from NFL scouts at the combine.
As one of the deeper positions, we are going to have a number of shots, to get another WR into the mix. The question still remains, with WHICH selection we will pick them. Some may think (as my poll revealed) that selecting a QB too early, could mean missing out on addressing other, potential more pressing needs. That being said Buddy Nix has made only 1 early selection for the offense, the first pick of his first draft. Clearly our offense needs weapons, and waiting for later prospects, could mean missing out on higher level talent.
Honorable mentions go to Mohamed Sanu (6’2” 215), Rueben Randle (6’4” 207), Nick Toon (6’3” 217) and Joe Adams (5’11” 174) as guys that I intend to watch. Now, onto the other potential targets, I will examine a few of the TE prospects.
Dwayne Allen: The Clemson product has good size, and skills to be a TE at the next level. He is the top prospect at the position, in most people’s eyes, and for good reason. He has been considered a “red zone force” by some, and he caught 50 receptions for 598 yards and eight scores and probably could have managed even more production. He is a good run blocker, but is clearly a better receiving threat.
Coby Fleener: Fleener (6’6” 248) managed 10 touchdowns this year, on only 32 receptions, with 667 yards. Sure, Andrew Luck had a lot to do with his usage, and production, but it is kind of difficult to ignore that statistic, regardless of who is throwing the football.
Orson Charles: Charles (6’3” 241) out of Georgia was a far less effective red zone threat as the others, with only 5 TDs, but then he is smaller, and probably faster, and is still seen as an effective blocker. While he has the potential to create big plays, he might need to gain strength to be a truly capable blocker at the next level. He had a breakout game against Boise, where he managed 6 catches for 109 yards, and a score.
Honorable mentions go to Evan Rodriguez(6’3” 250), David Paulson(6’4” 245), Kevin Kroeger(6’3” 262), Michael Williams (6’6” 270) and George Bryan(6’5” 265).
Please note: I MAY do a follow up with more Free agents that we could/should consider for the WR positions, as well as the TE position, but only if the readers' are interested in this. Please comment below, if you want more "Diggity" related to free agents. Also, I intend to address QB Draft Prospects, when we get to a mock draft.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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well, to whoever placed the first vote of
“all these players are crap”
you are totally wrong. Justin Blackmon? Come on now. Try reading the post! Either that, or get ready for a life of disappointment, because if you don’t recognize ANY of these players as talented, your expectations, are absurd.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
i mean, there are half a dozen first round picks in this mix.
I “wonder” if this person has a beef with me. lol.
if not, we aren’t exactly “missing out” on their perspective anyway.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Probably a Jets fan!
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
even a Jets fan should know that some of these guys are gonna be good players
i would think. Though, i might be overestimating Jets fans. ; )
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
You take offense to any negative votes without considering that non-Bills fans are also authorized to post comments and vote in any poll.
For evidence of this look back at BG’s poll in the article: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/2/8/2784642/poll-which-buffalo-bills-free-agent-gets-post-stevie-priority. Some of the voting:
- LB Andra Davis 17 votes
- LB Reggie Torbor 5 votes
- K Dave Rayner 40 votes
- WR Ruvell Martin 6 votes
- WR Derek Hagan 28 votes
Rayner got 40 votes, this shortly after Lindell signed his new contract. If you read the narrative, BG wrote this:
In the poll below, we’ve listed every single unrestricted free agent the Bills have this season – sans Stevie, of course – lest anyone that really wants to vote for Dave Rayner be left out. (Don’t vote for Rayner. Everyone that votes for Rayner is obviously a Patriots, Jets or Dolphins fan. Probably Dolphins. Lame. At the very least, this will give us an unofficial troll count.)
Some non-Bills fans are [insert appropriate adjective] and will get under your skin if you let them. DON’T take the bait.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
For clarity, I voted “Not any of those veteran QBs, that’s for sure.”
Judging by your 2734 Comments, you want my analysis.
- Thigpen is not great, aside from his family there are few that would disagree. But HC Gailey has a comfort level with him in part from having him as a QB previously, and a year as a Bill.
- We just signed him to a 3 yr deal. This indicates a desire by the FO to have a known quantity in place. Less time and effort required to get a new back-up on board the “Chan-train”
- I do not think any of them are a significant upgrade.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Judging by your 2734 Comments, you want my analysis.
that’s a bit much.
Thigpen is not great, aside from his family there are few that would disagree.
We are of no relation.
We just signed him to a 3 yr deal. This indicates a desire by the FO to have a known quantity in place. Less time and effort required to get a new back-up on board the "Chan-train"
Understand completely. But, as many fans (the majority) noted on a poll i posted a few weeks ago:
the thought of a season with either Thigpen/Smith is scary .
I do not think any of them are a significant upgrade.
I respectfully disagree. I wouldn’t have posted about them otherwise. Besides, if so few of us have legit faith in Tyler, then why couldn’t we hope that one of these options, were an improvement? I recognize that we aren’t going to get our wish… But should we? I think so.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Judging by your 2734 Comments, you want my analysis.
or by implication, are you suggesting that since I like to chat, that I want more info? If yes, then… yes. I like input. Especially on something i write. Additionally, i have a fair amount of free time, so… it helps me for the next time i decide to write/post/carry on discussions with others, to have some shared perspective.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
If you “click” on your screen name (ThaRealTruth) it will show you how many comments, FanPosts, and FanShots you have contributed.
You are up to 2741 Comments as of this posting.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Hey
Whats up sir? Good to see you.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
He's Right
Your a bit much, to nice. :)
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
i thought he was referencing just on my series or something.
no question i post a lot- but you are right up there with me. you average like, 3000 a year. hahhaa
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Always glad to see you posting too. Been watching my grand daughter a lot lately, and I learned it is too hard to comment and watch her at the same time.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good prioritization though.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Cool, family sooo important. good for you.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
recd.
on general sentiment. NOTHING is more important than family, than not having them. And for those people, my heart aches. I am SO fortunate. I appreciate them all. Nothing more significant in life, than our loved ones. And how awesome to be a grandfather. I look forward to a day when i am a father.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ha
Im learning the same thing with my 3 month old son.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
The big wake up call for me was when she poured pancake syrup in the cable box. I guess she was trying to sweeten the crappy show that was airing. Reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger in “Kindergarten Cop” when he stepped out of the room and the children destroyed the classroom.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
lol
outstanding. i mean, not for your cable box probably. but that’s funny. i will stick with my dog for now, thank you very much. hahaha.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
oh, i comment a lot. i realize.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
All Good
Just let your guard down friend.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
anytime i do
i get blasted again, and have to be all cautious, and word everything perfect, because otherwise i don’t have “thick skin” or take things “personally”. Kinda hard to walk the tightrope of expectation around here. Decided I don’t care. if i ruffle feathers, oh well. Until i break rules, or get warnings… I am trying to follow guidelines.
haters gonna hate. all there is to it.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalobacker “adjusted” his commenting a while back to placate “Mom”.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
Jets fan’s are my achilles heel. :)
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha. That’s funny.
BTW Jets fans are jerks down in Tennessee too. Took my Grand Daughter to the store back in November while wearing my Bills dark blue shirt. This @%#$ walks by, looks at my shirt. says “Bills!?! Bills suck!”, Then walks away as if nothing was ever said.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I Hear Ya
I’m old school, can barely type old school. Just keep a open mind and a proof read what you type. Lol like I should take my own advise! Your fine TRT just young I’m quessing.:) Not a insult.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
oh, i comment a lot. i realize.
a REAL lot.
But no different than MRW when he first started – he was all over this blog like a fat kid on donuts. Never thought someone could comment so much
I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
by J2 on Feb 16, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, you’ve done your fair share of commenting in your day as well, J2 ;)
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
oh for sure – but not like those 2. They both blow me out of the water.
I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
by J2 on Feb 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
you are as much to blame as anyone other than me.
at least a handful of people give a crap about what I have to say. it isn’t any worse than the ludicrous notions posed by others, or pessimistic whining that is all over this site.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
besides
what ELSE is there to do at night, during this time of year? I had taken some time off
(was “Ren Diggity”, until my antics were no longer tolerated, and i got booted, and then learned (sorta) to tone it down some. Just not good at being a conformist… in fact, i suck at it.)
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
thanks Buffalo for Eternity (cool name)
I don’t think i am “taking the bait” here. Oh wait… i guess I kinda did. I just don’t understand what purpose there is in voting negatively, on some other fan sites’ polls… just to be a " [insert appropriate adjective] "? I am glad that I am not like that. I mean, i might be a " [insert appropriate adjective] " (probably)… but that is a new kind of low to me. hahaha.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
From this post, my list of players I'm watching:
Brady Quinn
Shaun Hill
Ryan Kalil
Nate Potter
Justin Blackmon
Michael Floyd
Alshon Jeffery
Dwight Jones
Mohamed Sanu
Nick Toon
Dwayne Allen
Coby Fleener
My only comment here is that there’s a lot of good stuff in all your posts, but I feel like it gets lost by having them come so quickly one after the other! I mean your last post came only yesterday. I think if you’re looking to facilitate some discussion you have to give them time to develop before posting your next article. Just a thought!
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
i appreciate it Dan
but my first post closed, with 38 comments, half of which were my replies, the second is still only at 27, and the third is at a whopping 14.
some might be afraid of getting blasted for questioning me. hahaha. If nothing else, this is mostly an way for me to better visualize what is running around in my head, and given the fact that most of my polls had a majority of people interested, I may as well continue.
I like that you found guys in each group that were at least someone you might like, and can look into further, if you haven’t already. I figure, for the casual fan, I am providing SOME kind of service. : )
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
not to suggest YOU, are “just” a casual fan. That said: thanks for listing the guys you liked, and reading my posts. It is cool to know that i am not just wasting my time.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I do wish comment windows lasted longer on posts
The three day comment window (or however long it is) and the number of Rec’s needed to spotlight a post (I think it’s 15) seem a bit harsh for highlighting quality work and bringing on inspired debating.
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
i concur
and i believe i rec’d your post on this point in the past. not sure what thread, but I thought it a good idea, especially when the author is putting in quallity time. not that Brian and MRW and DJ don’t also put in the same time (more) for their posts… just that not all ours are featured on the main page. You have to put in the effort to get to them.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
well, even if most of them are goofy, and off topic
i got a lot more comments on this post than the others. hahahaha.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
no VY for you though?
not that I expect it… Just curious. A lot of fans seem to have written him off. Like i said, Idk if he ends up available… and as we did have a shot at him already, and passed, he isn’t likely.. but we need an upgrade there, IMO, and he is kinda halfway between Fitz, and Brad Smith. That could help out Coach Lee, and Chan, I think.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
No longer a VY fan
I think his time has come and gone – he doesn’t seem to have a good head for learning new offenses (even QB-friendly ones like Chan’s).
With a backup QB, I want us to have one or both of two things:
Someone who can come into a game and give us a win if Fitz is injured, and win us 2-3 games in a small stretch of time.
Someone who has large potential to become a franchise QB – good athleticism and needing coaching.
I don’t think Vince Young could win us games if Fitz got injured – he’d make too many mistakes. I watched his performances with the Eagles this past year and was quite disappointed. I also don’t think he has the potential to be a franchise QB anymore. So he’s off my list.
Brady Quinn is an enigma to me – I remember his gutsy performances in Cleveland that made him intriguing, but then he failed to beat out Tim Tebow for second on the depth chart in Denver. I’d take a look at him since I think he might still have potential.
Shaun Hill though, I think he could be a backup who wins games, so if we are going to go without drafting a developmental QB, I’d want to add someone like him.
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
Someone who can come into a game and give us a win if Fitz is injured, and win us 2-3 games in a small stretch of time.
agreed. Can Tyler do this? that is a BIG question mark to me. Some want to justify his poor play to lack of reps, but guess what? if Fitzpatrick gets hurt… he goes in. REGARDLESS of reps. I want someone capable of doing this.
Fair enough. One of the teams i only followed when i faced them in fantasy, was the Eagles. I thought they were underwhelming (and kinda expected it with how many new faces) but I wonder what VY COULD look like, in a spread, instead of a west coast, just because it is closer to what they did at Texas when he was there.
Brady Quinn is an enigma to me – I remember his gutsy performances in Cleveland that made him intriguing, but then he failed to beat out Tim Tebow for second on the depth chart in Denver. I’d take a look at him since I think he might still have potential.
Me too. I think he is durable, and has the size you want though. Those are things that I would want in a backup, since my starter is hurt, and we don’t want to be going to the third option, no matter how much Brad Smith could improve.
That is why i added Shaun to the list. He is a guy who CAN just come in off the bench, and go to it. IMO.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
forgot to add
that Tim Tebow brought ticket and merch sales, and was they guy they were calling for. It doesn’t surprise me he got the earlier look. I think they saw value in Quinn, which means he is a viable option, if available, because he isn’t exactly a “mobile” QB and isn’t going to fit into that new system too well. Even if they expand it for Tebow, there are going to be whole chunks of plays Brady can’t run. Plus, it would be nice to refer to a “Brady” while discussing our team, and not have to do it through clenched teeth. lol.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
id take VY
And I wish we could somehow move our extra 4th and newly acquired 5th to get Floyd.
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
not sure how a 4th and a 5th are going to turn into a 1st...
So, I expect that if we don’t take Floyd with the 10 pick, we won’t get him at all. He won’t last LONG after the top 10 or 15… and with how many teams not only need targets, but also HAVE a newly drafted QB… I expect that linemen, and WRs are going to be in demand. That said, pass rushers are the most highly touted, and I expect to have a fair amount of them in the next parts of the series. I think that we are silly to not even consider using early picks on the offense, since we are going to use practically ALL the draft on defense, for the third year running. We need to add talent to the offense, and Floyd is the best prospect who won’t be selected in the top 5 (necessarily). I do think a good combine, could move him up, but his “character issues” mean that he will probably sit in the 10 (if we actually grew a pair) through the 25th pick. I doubt he is around in the second, given his level of talent.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
yea
i was not thinking clearly,
i had just saw we got a 5th for Lynch and really want Floyd
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
we just signed 6 year deal with Fitz.
as in: DEAL WITH FITZ.
we don’t have any more choice here, than we do about Thigpen. I am just proposing that the idea of Fitzpatrick being hurt, or playing hurt again, could mean the prospect of Thigpen being the starting QB. That makes my tummy hurt.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Understood
Stand in corner and think about how rude you were:) DEAL WITH ITZ
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
come on!
it’s just a play on words!!!!
lol
You need thicker skin. don’t take it personally. ; )
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Nice
But your not being compliant! ;)
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
sorry sir
i forgot to drink my Koolaid. hahaha.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
All Good
You are anything but not interesting. Dare I ask your age? I’m pre dinasours era. :) Don’t forget your koolaid.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
You are anything but not interesting.
Is that a typo?
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I’ll let you decide;)
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
i think i wouldn't mind clarification
before i decide how to respond…… ; )
I am not a bore.
of that, i am sure.
I am also a poet,
in case you didn’t know it.
I am good with limericks, but they would surely land me… on the naughty boy list again.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
There once was a man from Nantucket …
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
i CAN'T continue this.
i really want to… but i just won’t. hahhaa.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
okay just one.
There was a young fellow named Frick,
Who performed a most incredible trick.
With careful gyrations, To standing ovations,
He did balance himself on his…….
Finger.
i don’t think this is offensive. we will see if it survives.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I gotta say you always make me smile or laugh. I still like your style.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
awwww FAIL
you should have said
laugh, then smile. it would have rhymed, and thus, fit in with my post.
DO BETTER!!!
just kidding.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll work on it.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. that's right you will.
lol. Y’all betta RECOGNIZE!
I pity the “foo” who doesn’t rhyme good with me.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Dare I ask your age?
I’m not skerrd. I am 32. or wait 33. no… 32. October 23,1979. However old that makes me. I am in the ballpark.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I have kids older than you.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
I have a house older than you.
Sorry. I really don’t know how to respond to that. My house is deeded back to like 1890 or something. So… I know stuff older than you too. ; )
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalobacker is close to my age. I was pointing out that we are are a couple of old warhorses. Not the oldest by any means. Radan, Mike076, Fansince60, and at least a half dozen more Rumblers are older than we are.
BTW if any of my elders are reading this I mean no disrespect by not listing you above. It’s late (early?) and I’m almost ready for my Geritol and a good nights sleep.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough.
i don’t discriminate. and i was raised right, to respect my elders. i don’t really ask many personal questions generally, though maybe i should start. the Super Bowl acts thread was a nice way to see that some of the other people on this blog are into similar stuff as me. age variance was pretty evident based on what they suggested. all in all, i generally wanna talk Buffalo Bills, because I am a pretty devoted fan, at this stage in my life.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was pointing out that we are are a couple of old warhorses.
Yep, I’m tired. Good night.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalobacker has never wavered from his beliefs. I respect his viewpoints very much. Don’t agree with them all but he has sound basis for them.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
then, i respect you, and him both,
by association. my signature, says it all for me.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
and we also disagree plenty
b backer and i.
doesn’t mean that his points arent valid, and rarely does it turn ugly. some people, can read into things, and understand completely what is going on. I am not about to accept “tongue in cheek” or “underhanded” cheap shots, take them on the chin, and keep asking for more. I am gonna come out swinging. Just how i roll.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Cool
I can’t say anthing negative to that, except what are you swinging at? :) Roll smooth.
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
chumps.
hahaha.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
But
Chumps are for kids!
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 16, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
… and sometimes for silly rabbits.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 16, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Tyler Thigpen is bad
Miami let him go when they had huge questions at the QB position. That right there says to me, that we should pray he doesn’t have to spend any extended time on the football field.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
can i get an "AMEN"?
lol.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions

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