Morning Joe! When did it all go so wrong?
Good morning Bills Nation and Happy Friday,
There was a time when it was good to be a Bills fan. I remember a time when if you were a Bills fan in Brooklyn, NY, you were considered a "bandwagon" fan. A lot of our younger fans may not remember this time; but we were one of those franchises that were considered a winning franchise. We had an explosive offense, a dominant defense, and a hall of fame coach. We had stars on our teams and future hall of famers. I remember wearing my Buffalo Bills hat when I was 12 or 13 years old, and wearing it with pride and honor. Knowing that I rooted for a team that was amongst the NFL elite. I remember getting in to fights with Jets fans at my school and arguing over who was better Thurman Thomas or Marshall Faulk. I've got suspended on 3 different occasions for fights, because the Jets fans were jealous that I was a Bills fan.
I'm saying all of this, because as an adult I haven't felt that sort of pride in a very long time. I'm almost ashamed to tell people who I root for. "Oh you a Bills fan, how did that happen"? Geez, a Bills fan, good luck with that one? I have no choice, but to laugh it off because unfortunately there isn't much to be proud of.
So what happen? When did it all go so wrong? How did this franchise lose it's way? Are we cursed?
My thoughts after the jump.
There was one moment that stuck out for me, more than anything else. In my heart, in my gut, I felt this was wrong. Little did I know that this was going to be the moment in which this franchise will never recover. That moment was when Wade Philips or Ralph Wilson decided to bench Doug Flutie and start Rob Johnson in the first round of the playoffs against the Tennessee Titans. We all know the story so I won't bore you with the details, but ever since that moment this team has been doomed. I always felt like Doug Flutie was our little lucky charm. This guy won at every level and he had a certain magic about him. He led us to an 11-5 season and a playoff berth. But we did the unthinkable, by benching him for a guy who put up career numbers in a meaningless week 17 game against the Colts. Call it bad luck; call it karma, or simply just call it cursed. In my opinion we haven't been the same since.
So tell me Bills fans, what happen? I'm really relying on some of the older fans who remember some of the behind the scene things that were going on. Living out of town, I never felt like I knew the whole story. So please educate me and others. What was it that made this franchise make a turn for the worst?
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I believe in the Flutie curse!
I can’t agree with you enough, docktor44. I don’t know if anyone else has seen me comment on other posts, but I bring this up at least once a week!
I believe I have the solution, though. I proposed this in another thread a few weeks back. In order to appease the football gods and break the Flutie Curse, the Buffalo Bills need to bring him back to the 2012 Home Opener, honor him either before the game or during half time, an publicly apologize to him for the decision to bench him in the playoffs. Until that happens, the Buffalo Bills will carry the curse forever… until the team can’t field enough money to stay viable and they move to another city.
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 17, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions
Tom Donahoe's first draft in 2000:
Round Pick # Player Position College
1 26 Erik Flowers Defensive End Arizona State
2 58 Travares Tillman Free Safety Georgia Tech
3 89 Corey Moore Linebacker Virginia Tech
4 121 Avion Black Wide Receiver Tennessee State
5 156 Sammy Morris Fullback Texas Tech
6 194 Leif Larsen Defensive End Texas-El Paso (UTEP)
7 233 Drew Haddad Wide Receiver Buffalo
7 251 DaShon Polk Linebacker Arizona
There is a reason why the Bills became so pathetic. Like I said, sheer incompetence at OBD and from the coaching staffs who followed. Not a curse. Incompetence. That is precisely why I describe CHIX as representing basic competence. Competitiveness is going to take a while to follow.
This has to be one of, if not the worse draft I have ever seen!
"Sit down and watch my Buffalo Bills destroy your Kingdome" - Abayarde
Chris Kelsay is a good football player.
Yea I agree
That Erik Flowers pick was a huge dissapointment
I thought that was John Butler’s last draft…his going away present to the Bills. Have I been mistaken all this time?
It was butlers last draft
for the Bills
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
More than a curse went wrong at OBD... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Buffalo_Bills_season
The names Wilson, Butler, Philips, Donahoe, Smith, Reed, and Thomas all figure into what happened to the Bills then and afterwards. And the fix does NOT have to coincide with moving the team to another city, either. It has to do with competence in the front office and the coaching staff and a team capable of winning on the field. The Bills’ “golden era” (consisting of qualifying for the Super Bowl four straight times…even though they lost all four) was over as both OBD and the team on the field imploded together. Followed by some truly horrific General Manager/Head Coach combinations. Hopefully, that era of utter failure is over now and at least under CHIX there will be a return to some level of competence and an end to utter failure. We hope.
I agree that there is something wrong with the team, maybe even a curse, but
I will always take pride wearing my Bills or Sabres hat around San Diego, or anywhere for that matter. I don’t care what people say or think when I talk to them. These are my teams and I will root for them through thick and thin. I may always take an optimistic stance when rooting for my teams, but that’s what I choose to believe and how I will go about my business. I believe you can’t be bad forever, I truly don’t. I could be proven wrong, and my teams will never win a championship in my life, but that’s fine and I will accept that. One day, the Bills and Sabres will be good, and on that day I will walk with pride down the street wearing my hat and say to all the haters, “I told you so.” I’ll never be called a band wagon fan and it will make winning that much more meaningful and satisfying.
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Feb 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I also agree with you
And that people is called KARMA. You dont bench a guy who brought you there. I don’t normally call people names but I make an exception for that moment. It was nothing short of STUPID.
I’ve also had to endure the “Rob Johnson won the game” defense of that move for too long. Its not the point if he put us in position to win. We didn’t.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
Something about that seems so weird
Especially, how we loss against the Titans. I remember saying to myself “if we get pass the Titans we’re going to the Super Bowl”.
Has to be a higher power or something..
I thought that to myself too. I felt we would blast through the AFC after beating the Titans.
"My new cat just farted on my lap. Smells like Bills football." BG.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 17, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, Poz.
How well Rob Johnson played is completely irrelevant. He didn’t earn that start! It wasn’t his game to start! Doug Flutie guided that team to the Playoffs, and to thank him for it, the Bills ripped the team away from him. I’ve never seen a football player be used and abused as badly as that (although the Bills could potentially screw Fred Jackson over even worse in the future).
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 17, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was Flutie being benched.
I think it was more the firing of Butler and Wade. It was an overreaction.
We had a 3-4 defense that was tops in the league and an offense that needed some tweaking.
Then Butler and Wade was gone and the whole team just got blown up.
You blow a team up and start over when you have a losing record.
It’s stupid to do it when you have a team that makes the playoffs and just needs some tweaks here and there to get better.
"A Patriots loss is a Bills win" - TheAfghanTwighlight
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Wikipedia notes that...
“Never before, in the history of the modern NFL, had a team chosen to bench a healthy starting quarterback in favor of a backup to open the playoffs.”
That is what pissed off the football gods, and that is why the Bills are doomed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Johnson_%28American_football%29
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 17, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Bahahaha
i love that quote.
The fans are going to be so loud they are going to hear us in the next Dimension - abayarde
by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t hate the quote, but I hate the actions of the Buffalo Bills that led to that quote being written.
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 17, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
recd
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
by ThaRealTruth on Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wikipedia
Is such a great source……NOT.
You could have put that up 2 minutes before your post.
"A Patriots loss is a Bills win" - TheAfghanTwighlight
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 17, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, you are wrong TBK
You can prove if he put that up or not. You can do a search for it. Here is another spot that it appeared in.
http://www.buffalowins.com/features/5-things/why-you-cant-blame-wade-phillips-for-benching-doug-flutie-in-the-music-city-miracle-game.html
and if you google it, it shows up a fair amount of times in different places. So, I’d say it’s a true comment that he just stated.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
I don’t think it was soo much the flutie/Johnson debacle as much as the music city mishap that happened at the end
by jesterz21c on Feb 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Right...
but I am positing that that Music City Mishap was a supernatural Karma punishment for the Bills benching Flutie in favor of Johnson.
"The Amish Rifle is your god now." - Muzza34
by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I know when it went wrong this year......
when Russ Brandon decided to “create” a whiteout, since we weren’t likely to have one otherwise…. I called it then… and I stand by it now. We coulda worn the whites in Toronto. Wear home jerseys at home. What are you thinking? yeah yeah, we were gonna wear the homes when we went to Miami…. SO? They are new, right? Show em off! Those all white unis are lame. I wanna see the blue pants as an addition to the Nike uniforms. I won’t get it… but that is stupid too. I don’t see why we wouldn’t have an all blue uniform, or be able to wear the white tops with blue bottoms like back in the day too. Nothing like keeping it bland, and like high school jerseys in the NFL. Lame.
"He is a man of courage who does not run away, but remains at his post and fights against the enemy."
~Socrates
K Gun
The day Jim Kelly retired. we lost our best leader ever. Flutie brought the magic back for a little bit only to get it yanked away from him for shoesless rob. that was a joke. We really need a franchise qb again to ever have a chance.
I said this on my first ever BR comment: the biggest problem of the Bills is their lack of a master plan. Great teams follow a road map. Players come and go but the plan remains generally the same (at least for 8-10 years). Buffalo has changed coaches and GMs too many times to have cohesion. The previous regime’s players don’t fit the next one’s plans. Add to this loss of talents like Pat Williams, London Fletcher, Antoine Winfield, Jason Peters, Travis Henry, et al., and it adds up to mediocrity.
The most important move of the entire Superbowl era, IMO, was our signing Cornelius Bennett; not because he was the best Bill (though he was awesome), but because we added a mega-talent. WE added the mega-talent.
its quite simple
the reason is this, u ever go out drinking so much then wake up hung over so bad it seems to last all day maybe even the next day after that.. well our demise is a gruesome 4 straight super bowl losses hangover were just now starting to shake. if im not mistaken we started rob johnson in that tenessee game cause flutie was short and they had really tough d line to throw over
the warrior
by Buffalo Warrior on Feb 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions
oh
and firing hall of fame gm bill polian does not help either
the warrior
by Buffalo Warrior on Feb 18, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions
Getting rid of Bill Polian as General Manager!
After that, the Bills have been to the playoffs once – Bills used to have great scouting department, with AJ Smith who built the Chargers into playoff caliber team.
Polian left and took Panthers to the NFC Championship, then went to Colts and wallah – Super Bowl champs.
Nothing more is obvious!
Ralph's accomplishments in the 30 years prior to hiring Polian = dick.
His accomplishments in the 20 years since firing Polian = dick. Am I sensing a pattern here? Hmmmmm…
Pattern
RW has a dick? :)
Don't Worry, Be Happy!
by buffalobacker on Feb 19, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I understand completely Doctork44
Living out of state during the Bills rise to stardom, to watch them fall to mediocraty at best is disturbing. I have caught more flack about it then i care to admit. But thankfully, the Redskins, Dophins, and Panther fans have had there own hard luck, so it has been tempored. But, outside of the laughter, you might be right. Benching Flutie for Johnson was a bad move. I think it was OBD’s terrible drafts that contributed more to us falling from grace then anything else.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 18, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions

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