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Buffalo Bills Can't Rely On Free Agency To Address Pass Rush

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The Buffalo Bills have a major problem rushing the passer, but they may have to try to strike gold in the 2012 NFL Draft to address it. In an unusually strong year for pass rushers in free agency, circumstances - as they appear now, at least - point to that talent pool drying up rather quickly.

Last week, I wrote a lengthy post about the absurdity of the idea that Mario Williams would end up in Buffalo. That's not happening. But Williams isn't the only attractive option; alas, all the others look like they'll be tied up, as well.

Cliff Avril of Detroit isn't going anywhere, says Peter King - even though he's threatening to hold out if he's franchise tagged. All signs point to Robert Mathis returning to Indianapolis, whether via extension or franchise tag. John Abraham will be 34 this season and isn't a full-time player anymore, but even if he somehow slips Atlanta's grasp, he's 34.

The most realistic free agent option may be Jeremy Mincey of Jacksonville. The 28-year-old fifth-year pro is coming off an eight-sack contract season, and though he is reportedly the Jaguars' top free agent priority, he's not the slam dunk to return that others are. Mincey had only seven sacks in his first three seasons, and did not play in 2009 due to injury.

Clearly, the Bills have an urgent pass-rushing need. It's just looking increasingly unlikely that they'll be able to satisfactorily address it via free agency.

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If the Bills REALLY want to be great, pay Mario whatever he wants to come to Buffalo. I honestly think that one player would instantly make us playoff contenders. We can fill LB and CB far easier, and cheaper, than we can address our pass rush. If I were Nix, I’d break the bank for Super Mario. He’s proven and he’s still in the prime of his career. He can be the difference maker on defense that we need.

I know, I know…he’ll never come here. Yada, yada, yada. But if I were GM, I’d have already told his agent to name his price. Sign Mario, re-sign Stevie, and we are talking legitimate playoff contenders.

by CBATL32 on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

But if I were GM, I’d have already told his agent to name his price.

You can’t do that. That is tampering.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i know hes not the biggest name but i think wallace gillberry could be an intruiging option for us to pursue if he gets away from KC

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Boy you really know how to take the wind out of someone’s sails don’t you?

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

It’s probably to avoid having to moderate the comment boards like crazy after Mathis and Williams don’t sign with the Bills.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t finish those thoughts:

It should close: by trying to set realistic expectations.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think Williams will come here. I do hope he goes to a team ahead of us, except Miami, so whoever Nix likes has a better chance to fall to 10.

by BillsofVA on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Williams

You said Williams going to a team ahead of miami? What r u talking about? Mario Williams is a free agent from the Houston texans … He is not a player coming out of college and getting drafted … He was the fIrst pick overall in the draft around 5 years ago … Guess ur confused with free agency and the draft

by Mk209 on Feb 21, 2012 7:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i think he means that he hopes miami will pick williams up so they have no need to draft a pass rusher in the first round, making one more available when we pick.

by theplagiarist on Feb 21, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Right. Though I really don’t want Miami to land Mario Williams. I’m tired of seeing their divisional foes land players. Could you imagine if Miami landed Mario Williams the year after signing Reggie Bush? They’d have the first two draft picks from that class.

Add in the very real possibility they pursue Manning and i’m not sure Buffalo can compete. I truly hope they sign Flynn based off his two-game performance. Kevin Kolb, anyone?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo & Compete

All in the same sentence. But yeah.

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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

if only it were as simple as breaking the bank, nix would have to change the climate in western new york with some total recall style terra forming machine to lure williams here instead of say tampa bay or whoever else has the cap space

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Why does everyone assume that every player likes warm/hot weather?

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

not assuming, its an educated guess. how often do you hear prospective free agents or incoming rookies say "mmm id love to go play up in buffalo, its always been my dream to perform in front of polar bears etc…

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I am sorry but that is not an educated guess. That is an assumption. Not everyone is going to want to come to a cold climate. But on the same hand not everyone hates the cold.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

true but everyone likes nice warm weather, of which buffalo has little. also your taking my original comment far too to heart, i didnt say there was no way mario would come to buffalo because it was cold, but based on past experience and common sense id say its not gonna happen. the tone of my comment was clearly intended as being facetious, lighten up

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

By your theory players would also not want to play in NE, NYC, GB, Minn, Chi, Pit, Phi, DC, etc.

I wish this would just go away.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Weather is a factor

Small market vs. big market is a factor. The biggest factor of them all is a chance to win a Super Bowl.

by Coach Bob on Feb 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Weather is a factor

Small market vs. big market is a factor.

I think those are more excuses that fans come up with because they are already down on the team and the city. The last one that you listed, the chance to win a Superbowl, is the biggest factor.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The way I see it there are two dominate factors and a whole bunch of small factors.

Maximize your earnings potential, and maximize your opportunity for a championship.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Green Bay has worse weather and is a small market team. The biggest factor is winning and getting paid handsomely to be a part of it.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They only play 7 games at home and half of them are in months when the weather is still quite perfect.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

thats not the whole story...

they have to move to buffalo at least for the majority of the year. maybe with their families (maybe children have to go to school already). and up to my experience families who have the choice would choose a warmer area to live in year in and year out. for sure it’s not the main factor for the decision, but i’m convinced that it occasionally has some influence…

by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 21, 2012 5:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Kelsay’s family remains back home. I’d say leaving a family behind would be more of a concern than moving with them somewhere. Buffalo is a great place to raise a family.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo is a great place to raise a family.

We know that. But the national perception of Buffalo is that it’s a dying, decrepit, slum-ridden, $hithole of a city. And perception cant often trump reality. I live fairly close, in Northern NJ near NYC. Buffalo is a 5-6 hour drive. Yet many of this area’s native’s think Buffalo is a depressed, uneducated area full of inbred hicks. It’s really amazing how bad Buffalo’s reputation is.

If you’re a top-tier free agent, with or without a family, and you’re given similar money to play in Buffalo or Miami, I see almost no scenario where the FA picks Buffalo.

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

can* often trump…

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Perception and to certain degree reality is a #itch.

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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on now, there’s a lot mroe reasons for star-level players to not want to play in Buffalo than jsut the cold. There’s the lack of nightlife, lack of media attention, zero championship possibilities, a terrible set of division opponents, a history of being the butt of every joke in the league, not to mention the whole OJ thing. Some people like the cold but hate constantly losing.

by Ian MacPersonoid on Feb 20, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, really, even if we throw our entire cap-space at Mario, it’ll still be just us saying “Hey, you’re sick of winning, right?”

by Ian MacPersonoid on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

…a history of being the butt of every joke in the league, not to mention the whole OJ thing.

I don’t think something like that matters to a player.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree.....

I’d be willing to bet there are plenty of players that this matters to (the “butt of jokes” thing more so than the O.J thing, but still…). Don’t underestimate the number of immature, shallow, egotistical folk populating this league.

by Home Run Throw-up on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The Lions and Bengals have suffered their fair share of shame, and yet they land players.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm?

Makes you wonder why Buffalo isn’t on everyone’s wish list/ vacation destination. Pretty sure its common knowledge there are far more locales of interest before Buffalo’s attributes shine thru. But I like WNY and was raised there, totally get living there, but most don’t not being raised there!:)

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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We do not have enough cap space to sign a signficant fa this off season.

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by matthew62 on Feb 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

we could have oddles of cap space if we carried over our space from this year to next…. but you just know for a fact that makes far too much sense to actually happen

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

There also has to be a down side to doing it. After I wrote that FanPost, I started to think about that. Do we even know what the downsides are of doing that? Or are we just criticizing them without having all of the information?

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The downside is getting put in the steelers position

The steelers are in real cap trouble and need to cut 20 million from the cap otherwise they wontbe able to sign rookies. If you sign players with the roll cap it would in a teams besr interest to do the buffalo cash to cap type deals to avoid a steelhead cap crunch

With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III

by Gpluehri on Feb 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cash to cap would save our bacon in that instance, because we could roll the cap over this year and put out some big bonuses this year then get sane as the contract goes forward. It’s front-loaded so that has to be attractive to prospective FAs.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ralph sets the cash to cap at the salary cap for the year. Unless I hear something different from the team, I imagine that doesn’t mean “salary cap+unused money for last year”. Just because the league will allow the team to do it doesn’t mean the Bills are raising their own budget number.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

the major downside i suppose is that you could put yourself over the following years cap if you eat too much into the space youve carried over. but carrying the space over doesnt actually cost a thing as far as im aware so you might as well carry it over so its there to use if you need it

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

I’m no accounting wizard, but i’d imagine the game of it is determining how much the salary cap will raise the next year to see what exactly they can spend in surplus this year.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I see Mincey as a player who is not as good as his sack totals may indicate. I trust thw powers that be would look at an awful lot of tape to see if these FA’s generate consistent pressure, or just luck their way into sacks, which often happens. I’ll take the guy that gets constant pressure even if he doesn’t get all the sacks, vs. the guy that pads his sack total by cleaning up the mayhem caused by guy number one. I’m just not convinced Mincey has shown it consistently enough. I agree with the poster who said hopefully some of the teams ahead of us in the draft sign one of the FA pass rushers if we can’t get them, and let the player we’re hoping for slide to us.

by BuffaloRepresent on Feb 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

if umenyiora hits the block, id love to see us send perhaps a 3rd rounder and change to acquire him, i know he’ll be 31 soon but if hes even got 2-3 years in him that could make our defense competitive enough to get us into the playoffs

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Please use the “reply” button.

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by stetzwebs on Feb 20, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be interesting if Couples falls to 10

If a team ahead of us picks up Williams and Jacksonville keeps Mincey I could see Couples falling to us, I’m just not convinced I want him in Buffalo. He has some attitude issues and seems to take a lot of plays off, every time a player like that has been here it got worse and worse as time went on.

Plus Chix already said numerous times they want high character guys and he doesn’t sound like one, at this point. I hope I’m wrong because the guy could be a beast if he gets his head on straight.

by SClemy on Feb 20, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Remember how everyone and their mother said Cam Newton was trouble? If that’s trouble, i’m in support of trouble for Buffalo.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I know you’d never do it, but you could definitely make some sarcastic Bills-themed shirts.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

M Ingram 6'2 276 DE South Carolina

Some say he is the best pass rusher in the draft. Plus he can play DE,DT or OLB. Great #10 pick

by Winnie33 on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

How's This?

What about Melvin Ingram in the first round? Does he have issues??

by Boomer55 on Feb 20, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

He has tiny arms, and can be slow off the ball at times but makes up for those with his inside moves, power and nonstop motor.

by 67levitrewood70 on Feb 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tiny arms?

He has very long arms according to NationalFootballPost

by Winnie33 on Feb 20, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Upshaw...Ingram

I guess both of them have the same arm length but idk Ingram seems to use his hands better.

I think for Ingram the key is leg power. They are both built differently. Ingram’s legs are that off a running back since that is his old position.

He has better hands too and can cover the screen game and players better.

I def prefer Ingram over Upshaw. I feel I can’t see Upshaw playing DE but def a 3-4 OLB.

by mike$bills on Feb 20, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

T-Rex had tiny “arms” and I believe it’s still the most frightening predator the world has known.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

Never meet one:)

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by buffalobacker on Feb 20, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

TheAfghanTwillight
T-Rex had tiny "arms" and I believe it’s still the most frightening predator the world has known.

Look what good it did him. He’s dead.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Prepare to enjoy reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus

And look up KT Event if you don’t know about it.

I know you’re joking and probbly know about T Rex the lizard, but it’s still fun to read. Dude could run 25 mph.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny about T Rex, the lizard

But, some believe that he was not a true predator. Some are saying that he was only a scavenger. Like a Buzzard. He would run low to the ground and look for dead or dying prey. The reasons for that is that some theorize that his head was too big to sustain an upright position, leaning forward to reach those speeds, and hunt in general.
I can find the article if you want to know more. I want to believe he was this amazing creature (just watch Jurassic Park (the first one) once and see how cool he is), but, the evidence of this study was pretty good too.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The species Tyrannosaurus rex (rex meaning “king” in Latin), commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture. It lived throughout what is now western North America, where the Buffalo Bills will soon be relocated.

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Just weak attempt at wit on my part. Understand its domination. Appears to have a large teeth strewn head right?

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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

“As soon as you’re born, you’re dying”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Reference win. Maiden 4Eva.

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by stetzwebs on Feb 21, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And now....

He’s extinct.

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The way its going.

We will have to address DE, CB and WR in the draft, since the Bills are reluctant to spend money. I would have hoped they would shore up one of those positions via free agency.

by Coach Bob on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

The Bills aren’t reluctant to spend money, they’re reluctant to waste money.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No....

Spend. They are good at wasting….

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the fact that they are good at wasting money. Their payroll has been in the top half of the league for most of the 12 years of playoff drought, so yeah, they waste a lot :)

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Stetz is correct. The Kyle Williams and Fitzpatrick contract both show that the Ralph isn’t cheap.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And no I am being serious. That wasn’t meant to be sarcastic.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget

Couples will not fall to the Bills.

by Coach Bob on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Calais Campbell?

I know the odds of him leaving Arizona are slim and even if he did, odds are he wouldn’t come to Buffalo, but do you guys think he would fit as a 4-3 end or is he strictly a 3-4 type player.

by 67levitrewood70 on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I forget what site it was but it said that Arizona was going to try and work out a long-term extension with him or franchise him. If you want, I could try to find the website for you.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is the link. You have scroll down a little bit but it is there.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, ive already heard this. I’m just curious as if he could be a 4-3 end.

by 67levitrewood70 on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I am no scout but when I watched his college tape, he looked fast enough to me.

by AP22 on Feb 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think campbell would be better than any of our ends regardless of scheme but like you said he probably wont get out of arizona

by snakebyte18 on Feb 20, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

A few random stats relating to pass rush…

the #1 defense last year (Pittsburgh) was 18th in sacks (Bills 27th)

Minnesota had 50 sacks, yet still allowed a 68.2 completion%, 2nd worst (Bills 63.3% 5th worst)

If you take away the fluky Washington game, the Bills only had 19 sacks in the other 15 games

Out of the top 7 defenses, only 1 allowed over 4 yards/carry (Houston @ 4.1) Bills allowed 4.8

by jonramz on Feb 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Be careful with stats

It could be teams tried to get the ball out in a hurry against Pittsburgh. Fact is, pass rush is a major factor in the current NFL game, see NY Giants!!

by Coach Bob on Feb 20, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with your point, which is why I included the Minnesota sack statistic as well

by jonramz on Feb 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Minnesota is skewing the data.
They have the best 4-3 DE in football, and arguably the worst secondary.
Their D is getting old quick and has really fallen off the map in the last couple of years.
Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, Chad Greenway, and E.J. Henderson are prob the only good players.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that their secondary is terrible… what I was trying to illustrate with those stats are that sacks are not everything… and even if you have a lot of sacks it doesn’t mean you have a good defense.

I thought the most interesting stat was the relationship with yards per carry and defensive ranking… especially with some many passes being thrown

by jonramz on Feb 20, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Without free agency

The Bills cannot fill all the holes via the draft. Unfortunately, it looks as though we won’t get anyone of major importance in free agency and may have to fill another hole if the Bills let Stevie walk. The fact is, the Bills must sign Johnson and also bring another wideout in such as Vincent Jackson. I’ll believe that commitment to winning when I see it.

by Coach Bob on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

it looks as though we won’t get anyone of major importance in free agency

How in the world can you say this with any assertiveness? Free agency doesn’t even start for a month.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

depends on the interpretion...

of “anyone of major importance”.
to be honest, i´m very sceptic, too, that OBD will catch a “big name” in free agency. out of several reasons: money, personal as well as teams future prospects, the teams reputation (referring to the last 12 years), weather, etc.

by billssupporterfromeurope on Feb 20, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d argue that Barnett, who was not a “big name” free agent, was by far the most important FA signing of Nix’s tenure so far. So I think they’ll definitely get someone of importance, but you’re right in that it probably won’t be a “big name”.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Overarching Issue

This article only serves to underscore a fundamental flaw in this organization’s approach to player acquisition. The only time a pass rusher hits the open market, it requires breaking the bank to get him (M. Williams, J. Peppers, J. Allen (via trade)), yet this organization, for better or worse, won’t go after elite free agents. The other approach is to acquire an elite pass rusher in the draft by investing significant picks (like the Giants, with JPP, Osi, etc.), yet this regime has chosen not to invest a high pick in a pass rusher. In fact, I dont think they’ve invested more than a 6th Rd pick (Batten, Moats). What do they expect to happen? I laughed when Chan Gailey said that one of the reasons they’re moving away from the 3-4 is that “its tough to find outside LBs year in and year out”- well, it is VERY difficult, if you’re only going to look in the 6th Rd. I thought this would be an emphasis in the draft, given that SD invested in pass rushers while Nix was there (P. Daniels, S. Merriman, L. English). Quite frankly, this organization has made its bed in this area and now has to lay in it.

by Joe.Bills on Feb 20, 2012 3:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

IF...

we are going to end up relying on the draft to improve our pass rush, then I think they have to go DE with both of the first two picks. If we can get Ingram/Coples/Perry in the first and then someone like Curry in the second, I think that gives us a better chance to really improve our pass rush. Rolling the dice on any ONE of these guys to dramatically improve our pass rush is a pipe dream. Getting two of them greatly improves the chances that we can generate a better pass rush this year.

If we don’t improve the pass rush from free agency, then they should improve our other holes in free agency and use the first two picks on DE’s.

by CBATL32 on Feb 20, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

OSI from the Giants

Is saying he expects to be traded. What can Buffalo offer to get him installed at DE?

Straight trade for Fred Jackson? Both players in last year of contract, looking for extension.

by Whatever on Feb 20, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

If Osi is avaialable, Osi needs to move to the real NY team.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

agree. I’d rather get Osi for a decent price then do what most want to do here and break the bank for Williams.

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by Dana H on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Mario should be gotten if getting good is the goal.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Osi for Fredex won’t happen.

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love Osi too but

The Giants have him for fairly cheap and they’ve got a great rotation going with their DEs. Unless they get something substantial in a trade I doubt they’d pull the trigger. He’s 30 years old, so how much would it be worth it to us? Strahan was effective till his mid until the age of 36 or 37 so if we could get 4-5 good years from Osi, he might be worth more than a 2nd round pick?
I’d send our #2 in a flash and I think I’d be willing to send our #1 if that’s what it took. Other than last year he’s never really been injured and he did have 9 sacks in 9 games, not too shaby!

Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience

by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

People like Mario Williams will want to go to a team that can win NOW. As much as i would love to have him it’s not going to happen. I expect him to stay in Houston. Just a gut feeling. I’m on board with drafting a pass rusher. Much cheaper and leaves us with room to go after another wide receiver and a cornerback.

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by Dana H on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

With Mario we could win Now! The problem with trying to find pass rush in he draft is that we likely won’t find an immediate pass rushing help that way. And we can improve our CB and WR all we want, but without a pass rush then we aren’t going anywhere next season.

by CBATL32 on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he might not see it that way. and while he is an amazing athlete and his addition would help us win a few more games i’d rather pick up some depth in other areas. lack of depth is what killed us last year. why tie up all our money for one person? we have other places we need the help.

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by Dana H on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

How is it absurd?
Last week, I wrote a lengthy post about the absurdity of the idea that Mario Williams would end up in Buffalo.

Fans know that this is one of the top 5 DE’s that could hit the open market. We all know that the Bills need a pass rusher. I don’t think fans are saying we will land him, but i think the fans EXPECT the Bills to take a run at him if he is in the open market. I made a comment on one of your other blogs, that in DW’s defense when he was in Dallas, there were 2 FA’s they went after, Deon Sanders and Charles Hailey. So what did the Bills do recently, the went after Routt. So what makes you think they wouldn’t go after Mario Williams also? If it’s the money, Peppers only made less then 9 million last season with the Bears as a Base. I think that would be fair for Mario as well. I also read an article on the internet where Mario had commented that the money would not be a deciding factor if he was going to hit the open market. He would look at best fit first. I’m also pretty sure he will also look at the opportunity to play for a team that could be headed to the Superbowl also. Maybe Mario would prefer playing in the 4-3 instead of the 3-4. To me it’s not that absurd to think the Bills wouldn’t at least attempt a run at him, and it’s also not absurd to think Mario wouldn’t be interested in playing here as well. Just saying bro.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

He never said they wouldn’t go after Williams, just that they wouldn’t end up with him….much like Routt. Plus, I’m going to sound like a broken record here, but cash to the cap makes it almost impossible to give him a competitive signing bonus.

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

No!

If they carried the 21 m over it would be fun and doable….

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If Wilson chose that extra 21 M as his “cash to the cap” number. I have zero reason to believe he’ll do that (even if it would be awesome if he did).

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your style.....

Maybe Mario is worth the insane investment….. Talking about big investment meeting big need!
Wow! If it worked out, it would be great bang for our bucks, even at that rate….. You know, stayed healthy, 18 sacks, 12 tackles for losses, FFs, blocked passes etc. Leading the team… The whole D would be completely different with him, and now Kyle and Dareus in year two. It really would……The Ralph would be rocking!

I just wonder about just how good is he? I don’t know.
Is he a leader? I don’t know.
Is he a big injury risk? Again, I don’t know…..

However, there is no one like him in FA or the draft (at 10) probably……

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds To Me...

Like BG is advocating drafting pass rush, and using FA to grab a second WR.

Which I’m just fine with.

Either way, I just want the draft to add more talent to this team, at whatever positions. Including QB.

by T McGee on Feb 20, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

again with this logic...

Mario Williams will be a Buffalo Bill.

If I keep saying it, and thinking it, it WILL happen.

Mario Williams.

by tomcs on Feb 20, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Buffalo & FA

Who’s last last player signed as a FA since Paup thats been productive? Were not only not active in FA but pretty bad at when we try to get help thru FA. Mis-management at its peak.

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by buffalobacker on Feb 20, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

Takeo Spikes. Terrell Owens. Kawika Mitchell.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

But Spikes left for greener pastures, didn’t want to deal with surprise! re-build. Owens is/ was a done player who took plays off regularly, but he did sell tickets for a non-playoff team. Mitchell who? Now London Fletcher, oh he’s gone as well. If Barnett and Fitz are to be considered being productive why aren’t we at least pushing towards play-offs? Sad we consider run of the mill players for talent.

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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Barnett, Fitzpatrick

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you forget?

London Fletcher………

Florence definitely has been more good than bad…..

Dawn Edwards has had moments at DT….. He could make the team again against some real competition……

And the Bills current RG, RT and TE were all waiver-wire acquisitions…..and they all are pretty good too…..

I think they just need the OK to spend the money……

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just providing other examples….Fletcher was good too….

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by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 21, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!

Until Bills become a playoff team or build a new stadium/sign t.v. contract similar to new yorks, they are not and never will get a free agent the likes of a Mario Williams.

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 20, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

What is everyones opinion of Melvin Ingram?

I like his athleticism and ball awareness, but what about his height? is 6-2 enough?

I know Mathis is like the same height, but i think Nix is looking for someone like Coples

With that, is Carrington not an intriguing player to watch this year in our new defense? I want I’m to break out so bad,

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by billsoferie on Feb 20, 2012 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

I’m intrigued enough by Melvin Ingram that I’d be willing to overlook his not-so-typical stature if OBD took him at 10.

The biggest thing isn’t necessarily his height so much as it is his arm length. If he was 6’1 with 34’’ arms I don’t know that anybody would be talking about his height as much of a negative and he’d probably be a sure fire top 12 pick.

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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched a few of his games last year

And he was always impressive. He plays with a big motor and he seems very versatile. I saw him line up at LDE, RDE, OLB as well as DT. He can really hustle for a big man.

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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

Good to hear....

Ingram looked good. We need some options at 10 man!

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bills Need To Be Very Flexible

Because they have so many very specific needs, I think that the Bills have to take a very flexible approach to free agency and the draft.

Yes, they should try to see if they might be able to sign Mario Williams or C.Avril or A.Spencer. And they should inquire about what it might take to pry O.Umenyiora from the NY Giants. But, if they can’t meet the price for these players (and Osi will want to be re-signed to a big contract if he is traded) and still sign Stevie and their other FAs that they want to keep (presumably D.Bell, K.Morrison and S.Chandler), they should be prepared to make a quick switch in their priorities in free agency.

Signing a DE in free agency would mean that they would probably have to settle for a mid-level WR or CB if they were to have a chance to re-sign all of their own free agents that they want to keep.

If they don’t spend money on a DE, they could then target a higher profile WR (perhaps Meacham, etc.) and/or CB (maybe Carr, etc.) in free agency and re-sign Stevie and the other free agents that they want to keep.

If they do this, they could address their weakness at DE and CB by taking Ingram or Perry in the 1st round; Curry in the 2nd round (or with their second pick since it might be necessary to trade up to get him); and Josh Norman in the 3rd round. Of course, they would then have to address OT, SLB and perhaps a developmental QB in Rounds 4-7, where they have enough picks to add a bit to their depth.

As far as rolling over money left over from last season is concerned: Everyone is assuming that the Bills have 10-20 million to roll over because they were reported as being that much under the cap. But, that may not be the case at all, given the Bills’ cash-to-the-cap method of accounting.

Let me explain what I mean: If the Bills gave Fitz, Kyle and Pears contract extensions that had signing bonuses, the way that most cap statistics are reported would pro-rate that bonus money (let’s say $28 million as for example—which, pro-rated would amount to $7 million per year over 4 years (yes, I know the contracts were of different lengths-this is just an example). But, under cash-to-the-cap accounting, the money would not be pro-rated at all (in my example, the Bills would count it as $28 million). As a result, there could be a very significant difference between what the Bills count against the cap versus what most “capologists” and the NFL would have counting against the cap (in my example, the difference would be $21 million—$28 million minus $7 million).

If the Bills counted all of the upfront bonus money that they paid out last season to all of the players that they signed to new contracts (Barnett, Morrison, etc. included), they might see themselves as having spent far closer to the cap than many think they did. Of course, counting that money in this manner would mean that the costs associated with those contracts would be lower in future years of those contracts than they would appear to be using the conventional method of calculating how close or far from the cap a team is at any given point.

We don’t know how much money might have been left over using the Bills’ cash-to-the-cap accounting. Given the number of contracts that they gave out that contained bonuses and the bonus money due on existing contracts, Ralph Wilson and the Bills’ money-men might easily and reasonably conclude (using their accounting approach) that the Bills have little or no money left over from last season to roll into this year’s budget.

Given Ralph Wilson’s age and history and the method of accounting that the Bills use, I would be very cautious about coming to the conclusion that the Bills have anywhere near the amounts available to roll over that have been bandied about. Moreover, I would expect that, using their cash-to-the-cap approach, the Bills would count the entire amount of any signing bonuses that they give out this year against this year’s cap as well—which means that, if they sign a player to a 4 year contract at $7 million per year with a $12 million signing bonus, they will count that as being $19 million against this year’s cap, not the $10 million that the NFL would count it as.

So, be aware of this as you look at what the Bills may spend on free agents (keeping in mind that they will count the entire bonus given to each of their draft picks against the cap this year as well). Most NFL teams are reportedly using a cash-to-the-cap accounting system now, but the specifics of what each team counts against their cap within that system remains a mystery.

At his age, Ralph Wilson isn’t going to take money out of his own pocket—money that he has ticketed to go to his wife and children, etc.—to pay for bonuses for his players. That money is going to have to come out of the Bills’ annual budget and will be counted against the team’s cap using their own accounting method. And we fans don’t know what the specifics of that method are.

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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 AM EST reply actions  

The 21 million....

What your talking about is called cooking the books and is illegal.
Just by the fact that the NFL is counting the 7 million (Part of the 28 million) in years 2, 3, and 4 in years 2, 3, and 4. You can’t count it twice.
that is bad math! (and one way how the rich stay rich)

They have the 21 mill, let’s see if they spend it…..

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

You misunderstand...

You misunderstand what I wrote.

The NFL counts the pro-rated bonus every year in subsequent years, but the Bills do not. That means that the figures released by the NFL in those subsequent years would not reflect what the Bills have on their books. In the example I cited, the Bills would then have $7 million more each year to spend on their books.

Would the Bills then spend that extra $7 million? I don’t know. Under the new CBA, they will have to spend a set amount of the cap as a minimum. Whose accounting system will be used to calculate that amount? The NFL’s system or the Bills’ system? I don’t know. And, yes, there is space in this transition time before that new minimum percentage of the cap requirement kicks in for Ralph to take money out of the Bills as profit if he were to choose to do so.

It’s not a case of “double-booking”, but, since the minimum requirement in the CBA doesn’t fully take effect until next year, it would be possible for Wilson—or any NFL owner whose team uses cash-to-the-cap—to use the transition to hide the fact that he is taking profits out of the team if he wants. That’s not illegal or a violation of the CBA, as I understand it, but it is something that the owner could do and would want to do in this way in order to keep the team’s fanbase from realizing that this is what he is doing.

Now, I’m not saying that Ralph Wilson is doing this—I have no evidence that he is. But, as a fan, you should be aware of the fact that there is a discrepancy between the accounting system used by the NFL to calculate a team’s expenditures against the cap and the accounting system used by the Bills and that it would be possible for Ralph to extract extra profit from the team in this way until the CBA’s minimum expenditure requirement fully kicks in and is enforceable,

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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you kiddin me?,

About the money for his kids! Geesh! He has hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars!
He has more than his kids could even spend!
You’d think he’d at least pull an art modell and win one before he croaks.

And that 21 million is just pure profit. I mean after his salary, his kids salaries ( whichever ones who are on the books)
The cost for him to run the team is more than covered by his chunk of revenue sharing and all concessions by the Bills. That is the way he’s been running the team in most modern years.
And all these monies have nothing to do with his $25000 original investment that is now worth upwards of 500 million )/)@/&& bucks.
He is richer than you can even imagine.
You would have to work 100, 000 years. To even come close to that kind of money unless you make a half mill. now or something like that…..
He has taken every penny he ever could out of western NY and I hope, at some level, he has given something back.

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by podunkowego on Feb 21, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Do You Know How Rich People Get Rich?

Rich people get rich by not missing an opportunity to make money for themselves. For most, acquiring more money than they have—regardless of how much they may have—is extremely important. And, very few spend money on things that they consider to be a waste or unprofitable.

You’re right. Ralph Wilson has hundreds of millions of dollars. More than I will ever have in my lifetime. More than you or I might consider “enough”. But, that’s not the point. The point is: does Ralph Wilson consider the Bills worth digging in his pocket for at this point? Or, would he rather keep the money that he has in his pocket and give it to his wife and kids, etc.? And, every sign points to the latter.

Ralph may have hundreds of millions of dollars, but, in comparison to the other owners in the NFL, Ralph may be one of the “poorest” owners (along with the Browns in Cincy and Wayne Weaver in Jax) in terms of his personal fortune. Most of the owners are worth billions, with a “B”. And, all of them are younger than he is.

Ralph Wilson has been preparing to die for several years now. What people who are preparing to die tend to do first is make sure that their loved ones are well-taken care of and Wilson has set things up so that his wife, kids and grand-kids can continue to live in the style that they have become accustomed to (which is not the same style that you and I might be living!). He has also been giving a lot of money to his favorite charities (hospitals and medical programs). He’s had his people create a “self-sustaining” model for the Bills so that the team essentially has to support itself without him having to put any of his money from other sources into the club while taking out whatever his profit margin is.

That should tell you that “winning” anything with the Bills isn’t necessarily Ralph’s top priority. If the Bills make the playoffs or win the Super Bowl, fine, but he’s not going to take money out of his own pocket or from his other priorities to do so (surprise, surprise!). In fact, if you look at it from Ralph’s perspective, he has already done quite a lot for WNY and Bills fans there: 1.) by not moving the team to LA where they would be more valuable; and 2.) by keeping the ticket prices, etc. the lowest in the NFL so that more fans can afford to attend games. Besides which, making the playoffs or even winning a Super Bowl at this stage might not be in his best interests or those of WNY and those who want to keep the Bills in WNY: winning would increase the value of the team when it is sold, but not substantially enough to have a major impact on his heirs, but it could raise the value and profile of the team sufficiently to make it impossible for investors who want to keep the team in WNY from outbidding an investor who would move the club elsewhere when the franchise gets auctioned off after Ralph dies.

Finally, Ralph and the Bills do give back to WNY in the form of charities. According to a report that I read recently (please don’t ask for a citation), Ralph gives about $2 million a year to WNY charities and recently funded a new department at the UB medical school to deal with severe spinal injuries (he also funded the specialized hospital where Kevin Everett was treated and did his rehab in Miami after his injury was initially treated in WNY by MDs whose training in dealing with that kind of injury also was partially funded by the Bills). Additionally, the Bills also give about $2-$3 million to charity—mostly to fund public school athletic programs in WNY. And, the Bills encourage their players to get involved in charity work locally or to include the WNY area in the work of their own charities.

Does that offset how much Ralph Wilson has taken out of the WNY area over the years or compensate fans for the poor quality product that he has put on the field with the Bills over most of their existence? No. At least I don’t think so.

Nor am I going to apologize for how Ralph has run and is running the Bills. As a fan, I don’t like it. But, I have tried to understand why Ralph Wilson has done the things he has done as the owner of the Bills and, to do that, it’s necessary to try to look at things from his perspective (which is hard to do without knowing the man personally). That’s something that most fans don’t do or try to do, but that is essential if you want to understand some of the moves that the club that you love makes.

Yeah, Ralph is a rich guy with more money than either of us could ever get our hands on. But that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t want to make more money and won’t try to make more money if he can while keeping his promise to keep the Bills in WNY until he dies. That’s just what most rich guys do.

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

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