Four Players The Buffalo Bills Could Consider Releasing
The Buffalo Bills, like any other NFL team, could use as much free money in their budget as possible. I'm often asked to name current Bills players that could be released to free up cap space; it's high time for me to mention those names on the blog. Please note that I'm not offering a report; this is merely my opinion. I've got four names to discuss. You'll find them after the jump.
These players are listed in order from most likely to be released to least likely. None are a slam dunk, but all fall well within the realm of possibility of being cut within the next couple of weeks.
Terrence McGee. As exemplified by their failed pursuit of Stanford Routt, the Bills are looking to shake things up at cornerback, and McGee is the likely fall guy. His salary far outstrips his level of play, and the fact that he's missed 22 games in the last three seasons - and is coming off of knee surgery - greatly exacerbates that problem. Money Saved (Estimate): $3.6 million in 2012; $4.6 million in 2013
Dwan Edwards. The switch to the 4-3 defense has left the Bills with an overabundance of "tweener" defensive linemen - guys who don't really fit at tackle or end in the scheme. Edwards sits atop that list. Signed to play 3-4 end when the Bills switched to that scheme prior to 2010, Edwards has had to very quiet seasons for the Bills, with difference-making plays coming few and far between. With so many bodies on the interior defensive line, Edwards' salary may be a bit too lofty to stick around. Money Saved (Estimate): $3.8 million in 2012; $3.65 million in 2013
Spencer Johnson. Remember what we said about the Bills having a lot of defensive linemen? Even if they cut both Edwards and Johnson, they'd still have five tackles with some experience to rotate in and out of the lineup. Johnson, however, has a more impressive recent sampling of big plays (though not by much), and his salary is slightly more manageable. He is a player that last year's coaching staff felt compelled to have on the field, even if it meant playing him at outside linebacker. Money Saved (Estimate): $3 million in 2012
Shawne Merriman. Everyone knows that Merriman's best days are behind him. They know his long history with injuries, the amount of time he's missed in the last four seasons, and his lack of production even when healthy in that time frame. Here's the thing, though: for as much money as Merriman signed for in January 2011, the Bills would not be saving all of it by cutting him, as three-quarters of his 2012 salary are guaranteed to him whether he's on the team or not. The question the Bills must ask themselves: is a washed up, injury-prone, part-time edge rusher worth $2 million? Money Saved (Estimate): $2 million in 2012 ($1 million of $4 million base salary plus $1 million roster bonus due in March)
If the Bills cut all four of these players, they'd be saving themselves $12.4 million on the books in 2012, and another $8.25 million in 2013. That's obviously a lot of cash.
I do not, however, expect the team to part ways with either Johnson or Merriman. Call it a hunch, but the team seems to like what Johnson brings to the table, and with so much already committed to Merriman, I think they'll keep him through the summer in a last-ditch effort to milk some value out of the contract they gave him. That removes $5 million from that $12.4 million figure.
That leaves Edwards and McGee. I am not a betting man (which I am reminded of seemingly every day in these parts), but if I were, I would not expect to see either of these guys with the team come the start of the 2012 league year. If the Bills do release McGee and Edwards prior to March 13, they'd save around $7.4 million on the books. (At this point in the writing process, I have now turned my sarcasm filter off.) Hey, now: isn't Stevie Johnson asking for $7.5 million? (My sarcasm filter has now been turned back on.)
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salary cap question
Did any of these 4 players get a big upfront signing bonus that would all (i.e. the remaining pro-rated amounts) hit 2012 cap if they’re released before 3/13?
In their cash to cap philosophy, the Bills do not prorate signing bonuses.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 21, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Are you tired of saying this yet? You’ve got to be getting close because I’m getting tired of reading it. :)
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by BigBlkGr8Dane on Feb 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Macaroni does, yes.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
and yet no matter how many times it is said they still think it works that way.
I recently added up all the signing bonuses for 2011 and added it to the other base salaries and came up with 124M. I am not an expert but I am not expecting much if any available 2011 carry over.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Im probably the only one on here that loves the bills cash to cap
The bills never get into cap trouble like say the steelers who every year have to restructure contracts and now cannot afford to sign any rookies or mike wallace. It’s gonna take a miracle for the steelers to get under the cap and keep everyone important
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like it too because it’s not like this team has any issues retaining talent….because there’s really not much talent worth keeping around so pretty much any philosophy would work right?
I do, however, honestly agree with the approach. I just wish it actually had an impact on us in reality. Because in reality this team has very, very few players year in and year out worth retaining.
I remember being p.o.‘d about losing Poz and Lee. Both aren’t anything special at all as far as NFL players are concerned yet they were big losses for us. Just shows how low our standards are and how pathetic the infusion of talent for this franchise is.
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by J2 on Feb 21, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it had more to do with Lee’s inability to be a good route runner. Or a good underneath receiver
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by J2 on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Amen
Amen to that J2
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
i would agree that it isnt the philosophy that has doomed us
its the inability to draft and retain players as i told my friend today buffalo has not had a starting runningback live out 1 contract or get 2 contracts since thurman thomas
and we have had a poor drafting record since the early 90’s
im notr as mad about losing poz or lee as most people poz was a solid mlb not great but not poor lee on the other hand was doomed when the bills chose trent over jp
Nix seems to know how to draft now we need to findout if he can retain the very little talent this team has
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
Well....
Steelers have 2 Super Bowl titles and 3 SB appearances since 2006. I’d trade that for a few seasons of salary cap jail every single time.
by Home Run Throw-up on Feb 21, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
steelers drafting > bills drafting
bills cap management > steelers cap management
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
I know its not really relevant at all to the point
but I did note the two teams you compared are one that has one of modern footballs worst playoff droughts and the other is a perennial contender to be in the Super Bowl.
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I wouldnt base it off of cap management
I would base it off of better drafting than us
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
good point
probably also has something to do with coaching consistency and one of the more dynamic ownerships in the league. How many coaches have the Steelers had? Probably as many as we’ve had this decade.
This even grates my passive cheese - LeClaire Bill
Like 4 or 5 i think
The steelers have a great foundation to build off of i would love to see buffalo follow suit minus the cap problems
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin take them all the way back to 1969. That’s 3 coaches in the last 43 seasons.
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by thefourwinds on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Cut them all except Merriman, too much invested. He has the biggest possible reward for the amount of risk. The others, not enough reward for the risk/money. I want McGee but he’s getting paid too much.
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Merriman is by all accounts recovering nicely. He showed flashes of absolute dominance in the early preseason before his achilles flared up. Since the tendon did not rupture rehab is expected to be much faster. As said previously, with what has been invested in him it would at this stage be foolish to cut him. I’m going out on a limb and predicting that he will be the comeback player of the year (I hear the snears already). It woudn’t hurt to get a dominant edge rusher to complement him such as Ingram or Upshaw. I think Coples will be gone by the 10’th pick
McGee and Edwards for Stevie?
I’d do it in a heartbeat! I hope the Bills are on the same page.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Spencer
Would Spencer Johnson perhaps stick as a backup 4-3 DE or would he be strictly DT only? I think he makes it to camp, simply because he’s at worst healthier than Troup. They’ll probably let Troup, Heard, and Spencer compete for two spots. My money’s on the young guys, but if week two of camp comes and Troup still hasn’t played, I bet Spencer hangs around.
Johnson certainly deserves to stick around, playing at least decently.
McGee was a great player, but he just can’t stay on the field.
Edwards – don’t really know enough to comment, but it wouldn’t surprise me, I guess, if they cut him.
Merriman – what to say. You’d love to see the guy make it and provide some big-play potential. I just don’t know if he’s got it in him anymore.
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by thefourwinds on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’d cut McGee and Edwards right off the bat. Personally, I like Johnson as rotational guy and like him even more as the 4-3 tackle they signed him away from Minnesota to play a few years back. I’d keep him around. I’d probably b ring Merriman to camp unless there’s a cutoff date for realizing any savings. i doubt he has anything left, but if it doesn’t cost them anything extra, I would definitely bring him to camp as a flyer given how dyer the situation is in terms of pass rushers
…I’d also cut Thigpen who is not listed above and would let Florence and McKelvin battle each other for one spot in camp by adding a veteran corner as well as a draftee this offseason.
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by Port Royal on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I’d cut McGee and Edwards right off the bat. Personally, I like Johnson as rotational guy and like him even more as the 4-3 tackle they signed him away from Minnesota to play a few years back.
…I’d also cut Thigpen
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by J2 on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+2
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 21, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd this
and you’ve been making a lot of sense lately…which is unfortunate, because of the generally negative view OBD has pushed you into. And that’s not a knock on you in the slightest.
by kfisk214 on Feb 21, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No offense taken. This is an extremely dysfunctional franchise that we choose to support. While tI ry to make sense all the time, the team’s constant absurdity leads to more grey areas than other fan bases have to encounter. I assume we’re all off the mark at a higher rate than other fans as a consequence.
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by Port Royal on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well
can a lack of function be considered a dysfunction? :\
Only If
Function was never possible. It was.
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
I think Spence should be the first DT off the bench after Kyle and Dareus. He’s earned it with his solid play and I actually really enjoyed watching him play last year. I think hes far better suited for the 4-3 anyway.
As much as I love McGee if it means keeping Stevie or not he might have to be a casualty.
As for Merriman, I kind of disagree. The 2 mil might be better served elsewhere, who knows what a broken down Merriman can do with his hand in the dirt. Kaisertown was pretty prophetic regarding the Merriman signing two years ago.
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I can see that logic on Merriman. I don’t know what the savings cutoff date is on him- that’s the real key. I’m just saying if it doesn’t cost them anything tangible to bring him to camp, they might as well give him a look again. If cutting him in March is the same as cutting him in September, bring him to camp. If not, I’d probably side with your viewpoint to spend the savings elsewhere (Johnson).
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Don't agree with Merriman assessment
But do on some level… Three time pro bowl in a row again? Maybe not but look at tikeo spikes, still impactful after injuries. I have a blinded hope he can come up again and be solid, even in his limited time he set the edge well and he’s extremely strong.
If we release dwan its over money and sets us back even more. He did well in a 50 percent four man front, so what’s going to change? He’s solid depth atleast and I’d take him over kelsay on defensive end
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by sketchydave on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
It’s widely (perhaps unfairly) believed that Merriman’s injuries are the result of substance abuse. The roids or HGH, or whatever the heck it was, have ravaged his body in such a way that his internal makeup is weaker than a normal player’s.
Spikes is a monster.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
spikes is a SAM backer not a pass rusher, to completely different skill sets, i think they should have Merriman as a LE now not a RE
But the point is Merriman’s continued problems may stem from using illegal substances while Spikes has been able to continue playing because he hasn’t used them.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be real about Merriman & the NFL though
He just got caught. I bet half the NFL is on something, especially HGH, so I understand the speculation, but he isn’t a solitary case.
No Doubt
But he still didn’t do anything going forward, hes done, like overdone.
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
I especially don’t like this statement:
Everyone knows that Merriman’s best days are behind himI strongly disagree, I’m someone, hence part of everyone and I don’t agree.
Seriously, he looked incredible in a few plays and even when he was at only 50% he still was better than most on our team. He needed this surgery and healing time. It wasn’t the type of injury that could repair itself, just ask Kyle Williams who also had a problem affecting his achiles.
I think it’s probably a 40/60 chance that he can come back to full strength or at the very least able to stay healthy. He was such a great athlete that even at 70% of his former self he could really be a big plus for us. There is no way I want him to leave and I am clearly in total denial because I choose to be hopeful that he can return to a very big contributor on this team.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
uh, what?
even if he recovers from his injury, do you really expect him to produce like he did during his chargers glory years? Three pro bowls and 50+ sacks?
I want them to keep merriman, too, but even if he is productive his best days are clearly… well, behind him.
HeHe
Spoken like a true Bill’s fan. Hoping for a miracle because its all we got! Heres to Merriman and his new found ability that only Buffalo didn’t miss out on. Lets call Merriman another failed attempt at getting FA on the dare I say Cheap! Yep i dare.
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Lets Be Forward Thinking
Instead of signing washed up has beens lets not sign them to appease the fans and suck yet more.
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Pay for talent and I don’t just mean players, GM would be nice, oh wait RW still rules, oh well I’m younger than him so theres hope!
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think this qualifies as talking with yourself..lol
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
by keysh67 on Feb 22, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
I’ve lost it man!
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not hoping for a miracle at all, i just believe that the Achiles needed fixing for a long time and was at the root of the problem. If I’m wrong then so be it. If we were chock full of great players and need the spot on the roster that bad then i’d agree with you guys. If we were close to the cap and needed room then maybe as well. But we aren’t any of those things and a Merriman at 70% of his former self is still great compared to what we have. I’m not suggesting not to pursue a FA and I am not suggesting to draft 1-2 pass rushers.
All I am saying is that he needed that surgery for a long time and I choose to believe that it was at the root of his injury problems and that now that he finally addressed it properly (Like Kyle Williams btw) I believe he can come back strong. Maybe not quite as good as before but good enough for what we need.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
optimist
your very much a glass half full guy, cool.
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
A little bit
as some roster bonuses would have been paid by then.
However if you’re referring to signing bonus (cut before June 1 all being this year and cut after June 1 being 1/2 this year and 1/2 next) it’s not relevant with the signing bonuses all accounted for up front in the cap.
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Great wisdom in this piece
I would also like to see them cut McGee and Edwards at this point (or possibly renegotiate McGee’s salary if they want to keep him), but Spencer Johnson has shown himself to be a valuable rotational player and Budy Nix seems determined to give Merriman one more year (and Buddy might be right to do that).
by Macktruck on Feb 21, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A question
By the way, does anyone know how much cap space the Bills would have if they roll over their unused space from last year ($19.9 million, I believe) and cut Edwards and McGee ($7.4 million)? In other words, what space do they have under the regular 2012 cap?
Million dollar question right now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
As I said above, I am not an expert, but
I recently took a look at the 2011 cap based on info from rotoworld and nyjcap.com. I added all the base salaries, the dead money from previous years, and all the un-prorated signing bonuses and came up with 124 million.
My very unofficial answer is 1 million rolled over from last year. I have not looked at 2012 yet to see where we stand there but I would put money on the fact that we dont have a 40 million dollar cap space available in 2012.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Merriman’s like Billy the Buffalo now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Merriman’s like Billy the Buffalo now.
Nice….:)
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He’s being paid. If he can’t be on the field playing, then they should spray paint him blue and send him running through the stands giving away t-shirts.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
This visual got me laughing, and earing strange looks at work. Thanks
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by BigBlkGr8Dane on Feb 21, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No problem.
If you check out today’s Morning Joe fanpost, you’ll see that I am always pleased when someone laughs at my corny jokes.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
It was definitely funny. Had me laughing as well. p.s I wish Mario’s winning ways would translate over to the Bills.
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by BillsFanSanDiego619 on Feb 21, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dwan Edwards
I was so happy when they added him to the roster and now it feels weird (sad) that he’d be considered a cut.
He was such an upgrade, at that time.
Hope is not a plan. -C. Maio
Exactly. I won’t love that they may release him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
and where would he play, he isn’t a RE in the 43, and he isn’t as good as Kelsay or Carrington at LE
He’d play for another team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
what about cutting florence ?
of course if we cut him we will save some money, and we can restructure mc gee to keep him at the right price.then with all this money left we can resign one of our players ,or a new CB,or draft a CB in the first 3 rounds….
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Resign stevie, chandler, bell and scott, then i will think about april
florence is better than mcgee
And stays healthy.
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by billsoferie on Feb 21, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no way.
McGee if healthy > Florence.
McGee was a starter anytime he was in the mix. Florence wasn’t.
Flo is slow. Like a weak rapper.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 21, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Merriman
What happened to him ‘recruiting’ players to come to Buffalo? I know V-Jax name has been kicked around but has anything come from all that talk?
I honestly think its because he has nothing left anymore. This season was a big eye opener that he is physically done with playing football. He can’t play 100%. He had a year or more to rehab his achilles and it is just not in the cards. At the beginning of last season that was an unknown to him. I think he realized he is done, and just hopes to collect money somewhere. His last concern is making a Buffalo a “contender.” I don’t know the guy personally, but he seems like a selfish, its all about me person.
Could you imagine being him and collecting that much money from the Bills for sitting on IR?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. “Show up” I get.
And that episode is amazing. I think Ron Swanson is the new Michael Scott.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
he is going to get paid this season whether he plays much or not, but this season he is going to be use in a rotation so he will be fresher and his injury was never properly taken care of until now so he might be able to be a solid guy in our rotation, think the Giants
He had ample time to re heal his achilles. Problem with that injury it controls your whole foot. He was used as more of a situational guy towards the end of his season last year. I actually thought he was better against the run then rushing the passer. He showed a big presence that was able to set the edge better than he was able to get up field
Completely agree Brian.
Those 4 are on the edge, but I think Spencer J comes back, with his versitility and Merriman for the sake of Nix committing to him.
McGee and Dwan Edwards are goners IMO. I cant get passed McGees injury history, even though hes one of my favorite all time Bills, and Dwan will get burried in deep DL depth.
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What about McKelvin? Guy couldn’t cover a WR in a phone booth….everytime they throw his way I close my eyes.
But he saves the team almost nothing if released, and he’s good on special teams.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
and he’s good on special teams
I honestly do not agree. And not because of that NE thing. I think he’s terrible at it, as is Spiller.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
??
leodis made plenty of nice special teams plays last year.
everytime they throw his way I close my eyes.
I think he closes his, too.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
His final-year salary is very reasonable, and even without McGee, he’s fourth on the depth chart.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 21, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
.everytime they throw his way I close my eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3bLdBG___g
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
He has a pretty serious speech impediment. The team should have realized this and never subjected him to the podium.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 21, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t care if he can speak. I just want him to be able to watch a football in the air and lift his arms up from his sides.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ohh
You want a ref?
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Trade value for Dwan Edwards?
If this guy is a valued DE to play the 5-technique in a 3-4, and has proven he isn’t the health risk that he was when we signed him from Baltimore, I would hope the Bills will be shopping him to all the 3-4 teams out there. Even if it is for later round draft pick… Experienced 5-technique DE’s are not available as much, plus it is hard to convert guys (i.e. Carrington was still trying to develop into the position).
3 out of 4
The only player I would invite to camp is Spencer, out of the other 3 Merriman & McGee need to hang up their spikes and Edwards will find a home on another team.
I agree with Port Royal and let Thigpen go.
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I woudn't have believe Lee Evans would have been shopped and traded this time a year last year...
I wonder who those trade players would be this year? (along the lines of this post, although guys that have trade value instead of outright cuts)
Dwan Edwards?
Leodis McKelvin?
Torell Troup?
I say...
we send McKelvin to Miami and agree to pay his contract for them. That way we lose an on the field liability, and we have a weak CB to exploit against a division rival twice a year.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 21, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not saying that we should trade him, but could be a possibility and he would have trade value.
Troupe having disc back issues and might not be the same player we thought he was…
Brian, do you give much odds to McGee renegotiating his contract to finish his carreer here?
and at what value would you think would be fair?
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
I think this is what they will try to do with Mcgee
it makes more sense then cutting a vet, but it comes down to that players willingness to make less money and realize what they are worth in the open market.
Your right
and with 22 games missed in the past 3 years he should have had plenty of time to consider how good the bills have been to him of late.
Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.
Lose Thigpen, develop Levi at 3rd string behind Smith
We signed Thigpen and Smith last year, both higher dollar. I would’ve liked to see Levi develop. Do the Bills consider Levi a bust?? He was like Aaron Rogers in college.
He's not even on the team.
And seeing that he was a 7th rounder I’m going to say the Bills consider him nothing.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am really struggling to figure out how Levi Brown keeps cropping up in discussions. Behold the power of a QB I guess…
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by arbon78 on Feb 21, 2012 7:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
because he was a CLEAR improvement over thigpen or smith as a QB
as a what, 6th or a 7th rounder? That is sad. Could have had a whole additional year of development, if not for having Tyler keep Chan company, and fluff his ego (i imagine. I don’t really see another reason to keep him.)
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure I would agree with the idea that he was a clear upgrade over anyone. Admittedly I’ve not seen him a lot of him (outside preseason, mop up duty and bb.com training camp highlights) but I didn’t see much that impressed me. And I’m not endorsing Thigpen or Smith at QB either.
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by arbon78 on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you know, i agree with you completely.
But I can explain my rationalization really simply. (because i said so!!! just kidding.)
I see Levi as 50/50 as far as NFL success goes. He could be JUNK. He could be AWESOME…. he could be anywhere between.
I have been clear on how I feel about Thigpen… Lets just say, I have him on the bad side of 50/50.
Smith is ALMOST 50/50… except that he isn’t a QB in the NFL. He is a WR. So that means while his chances might still seem 50/50 pass or fail…. I have a little less faith than half that he can succeed, either.
Levi is straight up a even split for me. He has just as much chance to succeed, as he does to fail.
Sorry if you expected “simple” rationalization to also be short. I just wanted to be clear, that my own system of ratio’s is clearly different than how some people would prefer they are applied.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 21, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
How in the world
Do you feel like Levi has just as high of a chance to succeed as to not? Did he even get picked up by another team? What has he done to even make you think this? He has no track record at all……So many people on this board just always think the grass is greener on the other side
Saw him in person
Watched him performing drills. He looked better than Edwards, AND Fitzpatrick. The drill I was most interested in, was a goof off drill… but they repeated the drill @ the senior bowl, was where they stack a garbage can, on top of an upside-down garbage can (making a “basket” so to speak) for them to throw fades into…
Brown was the only one to make it.
On top of that… Going back to those three guys: He had better size than either TE or Fitz. He had better ball velocity. He had better (though less compact than Trent’s) throwing motion/mechanics…. He looked TALL when he threw the ball (up and over) and my biggest knock was when he was in games, he seemed to not grasp the full playbook. That is an issue that MIGHT be resolved with some additional time. Where as Thigpen’s height, flat feet, lack of poise, and general look of fear in the pocket, are things he HAS to improve, and still hasn’t, as a “seasoned veteran”.
Brown has a higher ceiling, on a roster or not. That is how I feel, when comparing the two.
You can choose to generalize, and lump those who disagree with you into people who are somehow unrealistic, if that is how you need to rationalize things. It just seems like some people have faith in Tyler, and some of us, don’t see any reason to.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 22, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Bills Will Draft A QB...
I think the Bills will draft a QB in the mid-to-later rounds of this draft to develop. With an extra 5th round pick, there could be some interesting prospects still on the board for them to choose from if they decide to use one of their 5th rounders on a QB (they could use one of their 4th rounders, but I think they will use that to either trade up at some point or fill another position of need).
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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 AM EST up reply actions
meh
I bet you can list the number of 5th round QBs that have developed into starters, on one hand. I am not holding out hope that these guys are going to find the next Tom Brady. Sorry.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 22, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think I understand where your coming from in comparison to our other 2 options at QB. My question really is; with such limited evidence of Brown’s upside, how in the world are we still having discussions about him in February when he was released from the practice squad in September? I mean 31 other teams have had a shot to even take a flier on the guy and no one has deemed it worthwhile. That to me speaks volumes and keeps me scratching my head as to why we still talk about this guy.
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Bring them all to camp, work ‘em in preseason, cut the ones that don’t make the grade.
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions
Cool
But for a change lets set the bar higher than Fitz and SJ. Buffalo seems to grade on a less than challenging curve!
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Works for me.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cool
Send a memo to all that this applies too. :) And give yourself a bonus. Sort of a golden parachute for your effort sir!
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by buffalobacker on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree, Brian
While I would like to see the Bills keep McGee and cut Spencer Johnson, I think that if the Bills add a CB in free agency and another in the draft, they could afford to let McGee go. The problem with doing this is that signing a free agent CB is going to cost more than they will save in cutting McGee. It may depend on whether the Bills’ MDs think he can stay healthy for most of the season—if they have any doubts, I can easily see him being cut.
If they can’t trade Dwan Edwards, they should cut him. With Dareus and Kyle able to play the 1-tech or 3-tech at DT, the Bills only really need to carry 5 DTs at most. Troup and Heard can be the back-ups at the 1-tech spot, while keeping Spencer Johnson to back-up at the 3-tech spot makes more sense than keeping Edwards.
While I’m not a fan of Spencer Johnson, depending on how free agency and the draft break for the Bills, he does offer some versatility in that he can back-up at both DE and DT. Given how paper-thin the Bills are at DE at this point, I think that they pretty much have to keep him, just as insurance at the DE spot, unless they can add much more depth at the position.
At this point, Merriman is a “boom-or-bust” possibility at the Bills’ weakest position that isn’t going to cost or save them that much, so I think he is worth keeping. In the little time that he played last season, Merriman showed that he was the best pass-rusher on the team. He didn’t get close to the QB very much, but that was because, most of the time when he was healthy, he was getting double-teamed (based on his performance in the preseason against Chicago), which opened things up for the rest of the Bills’ defensive line. He also set the edge well and was able to get off of single blocks enough to be a factor against the run.
No, Merriman is never going to be the same player that he was 5 years ago. But, if he can stay healthy, he can contribute a lot to the Bills’ defensive line and pass-rush. Where are you going to get a DE who has the potential to beat one-on-one blocking on any pass play and can command the respect of the defense when healthy and on the field for essentially $2 million? If you’re really, really lucky, maybe in the mid-to-late rounds of the draft, where every pick is more or less a crap-shoot.
So, I’d keep Merriman—and I think the Bills will, too—and at least let him show me what he has left in the tank in preseason. If he performs, he makes the roster and is part of the pass-rush rotation for as long as he can stay healthy. If he gets hurt or shows that he can’t perform in preseason, then cut him. But, I think that, if the Bills use him like the NY Giants used Osi Umenyiora last season, limiting his reps, Merriman could be a valuable part of the Bills’ DE rotation if he can stay reasonably healthy this season. It’s a gamble, but one that, given how weak the Bills’ pass-rush is and how thin their DE rotation is, I believe is worth taking.
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by LifetimeBillsFan on Feb 22, 2012 4:33 AM EST reply actions
0 for 4
salary cap? not even close why would it be a consideration. Keep whoever helps capture the W’s.
- is the best corner, by far. Crazy to get scared w/#56 until his health situation is clearly defined post surgery, Both these players are impact players that you never let walk unless there are superior options.
Johnson performed bette than expected & edwards is equally solid.
All 4 are good for the lockerroom as well. How about adding some quality players instead of writting off assetts.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions
salary cap? not even close why would it be a consideration.
… you follow the Bills, right? :)
What about the way this team operates would indicate that finances are NOT a consideration, in any circumstance ever?!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Salary cap become a primary consideration
when you are at or going to be over it. That is when you consider dumping personnel for monetary factors. (see Pitt now, see Bills late 90’s). Until then accumulating talent (that fits the mold of your team{unlike Sabs}) is whjat its all about- the degree of sucess will then determine how you access those 4 players you mentioned. Still have FA, ehh, a receiver? & the draft which is much anticipated.
I detest the Ralph is cheap theory which would bump the dumping of salaries up a notch, or 2.. I have watched his business cycle for 4 decades and there certainly was penny wise pound foolish period, which the Irish guy broke him of (12&78)but at this point I truely believe he wants to win. He is nearing his omega so..
In the end whittle down the heard after you see what you’ve got….< #24 huge assett if healthy #56 potential superstar if healthy the 2 dl can play nearly any position & are good enough for a playoff caliber roster.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Dumping For Monetary Factors
See Buffalo Bills. You detest the “Ralph is cheap” theory yet say "penny wise pound foolish.’ Which the Irish guy broke him of? Sorry i’m conflicted on figuring your viewpoint. Probably just me. Ralph to me is cheap, not a bad thing, its his money. But i’m not gonna believe he’s “invested” in winning anytime soon.
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
sure
Tough being a Bills fan in the 70’s & early 80’s as Ralphs reputation of not spending to win (cheap) was in full force. I seem to remember they said he was tight in the 60’s too but the again he helped create the leaugue we watch today so… wasnt there.
In 1983 he drafted Kelly & expected him to respond to his miserly accountants (who probably made him rich in another industry) the way other draft picks did. Jimbo promptly raised the middle finger salute, a staple of our generation and headed to warm Texas to make some $$ & take a beating. 2 years later, w/the worst team in the league we drafted #78, another super star. B4 Bruce also ‘took his services elsewhere’ Polian inked him to a nice deal which started a trend of players being paid fair market value with the knowledge they were on a really good team that could win it all.
So, the Irish guy broke Ralph of his penny pinching ways in 85- that lasted into the mid to late 90’s to the point of being grossly over the cap. Polian booked to sunny cali; Butler took over the mess, didnt go well culminating w/the Erik Flowers fiaso, then went west. The Bills were mismanaged (after excellent management) from that point on until Nix took the reigns.
As for ‘invested in winning’ I tend to believe a man nearing the end of his legacy may be more in tune with things such as success, where as earlier in his cycle when ‘building his empire’, $$ would be a larger factor.
how was that
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 23, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
*polian to carolia-indy not cal
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 23, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
McGee's Contract Restructured = DONE
Now cut Edwards and, unless he agrees to restructure like McGee did, cut Spencer Johnson, too. And cut Merriman. Then re-sign Stevie and get on with FA (i.e., re-sign Bell and Chandler, too, then sign Bowe, Jackson, Garcon, or Meachem and sign a DE to platoon with whatever rookie RDE prospect they draft (i.e., if not Anthony Spencer, at least someone like Wallace Gilberry).

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