2012 NFL Combine Primer: Buffalo Bills Edition
by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 9:07 AM EST
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2012 NFL Draft prospects will begin arriving in Indianapolis today for the 2012 NFL Combine, and as such, it's time to kick off our draft coverage here at Buffalo Rumblings. Most Buffalo Bills fans are keenly aware of where the team is lacking talent, but may not be so aware of which players and positions the team may be looking at with their No. 10 overall pick and beyond.
We're diving head-first into the process of learning more about prospects starting right now. There are four positional groups that we're generally going to be focusing on leading up to April's draft: wide receiver, offensive tackle, pass rushers and cornerbacks. Yes, we'll sprinkle in some players at other positions, but those are the big four.
In the meantime, we're starting at the top, and as the Bills pick tenth, we've got our eyes on ten guys this week (and weekend) within those aforementioned big four positions that we're keen to learn a lot more about. Those ten names are after the jump - and if you've been studying up on these guys, most of the names listed won't be a surprise.
10. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama. The Bills need a corner. Jenkins was a standout in the SEC before off-field issues forced his transfer to North Alabama. An outstanding athlete and one of the 2011 NFL Draft's top cornerback prospects before getting booted, Jenkins could be a fast riser with a strong week in Indianapolis.
9. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame. Floyd needs a big week in the interview room, having been suspended while at Notre Dame for a DUI. On the field, there's an awful lot to like: he's a 6'3", 224-pound target with 271 career receptions, 3,686 career yards and 37 career touchdowns. He's the type of big receiver that the Bills are looking for.
8. Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina. There are some concerns about his ability to defend the run as a 4-3 defensive end, but he's a good athlete that accumulated 19 sacks in his final two seasons in the SEC. That fact alone will make Ingram a coveted draft-day commodity - and a strong week in track shorts could cause him to rise up draft boards.
7. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State. Adams became more prominent on the draft radar with a strong Senior Bowl week. 6'8", 320-pound tackles with good feet and athleticism don't exactly grow on trees, so while there are warts to Adams' game that are visible on tape, he'll likely be a target for many teams in need of a tackle. He has the look of a developmental prospect, but there is undoubtedly potential.
6. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa. The Hawkeyes churn out pro-ready offensive linemen like no other program, and Reiff is the latest to emerge from the factory. The 6'6", 300-pound former tight end is a good athlete, and most consider him a better prospect turning pro than former teammate Bryan Bulaga, who was drafted No. 23 overall by Green Bay in 2010.
5. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina. Coples has long been considered the most talented pass rusher available this year, but the inevitable questions about his motor and work ethic are beginning to surface. He can alleviate some of those concerns this week. Coples, in our view, is not the elite edge rusher he's made out to be, but he can play several defensive line positions and pressure the quarterback. That alone makes him a valuable commodity.
4. Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama. Though he was never an elite sack artist at Alabama, Upshaw is a tough, versatile player that can play in multiple systems - and he's an excellent run defender, to boot. He has the early look of exactly the type of edge player the Bills could use, and is already drawing comparisons to LaMarr Woodley from Mel Kiper.
3. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU. NFL Network's Mike Mayock told reporters last week that while he's not on the same level athletically, Claiborne is a better pure cover corner than former teammate Patrick Peterson. Claiborne is the first of three players on our list that has the early look of a guy that probably won't be available when the Bills pick.
2. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. Blackmon is the most explosive offensive weapon available this year; he caught 223 passes for 3,304 yards and 38 touchdowns in the last two seasons alone. He's big, fast and athletic - in other words, he's going to be a high-end No. 1 receiver in the pros. He, too, likely won't last to No. 10 overall, but if he does, the Bills would be wise to pounce.
1. Matt Kalil, OT, USC. In our view, Kalil is the safest pick in the draft this year. The 6'7", 295-pound pass blocker looks like a sure bet long-term starter at left tackle, and would be particularly effective in a system like Buffalo's, where his athleticism would be put to great use. He looks like a slam dunk to be gone by the Top 5, and may even go as high as No. 2 overall.
Who else are you looking forward to keeping track of this week, Bills fans?
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I’m very high Dre Kirkpatrick. I think he should be worth a look at 10 for Buffalo. A starting 2ndary of Kirkpatrick, Williams, Byrd, & Wilson isn’t to shabby. Especially w/ Florence & McKelvin as your nickel & dime guys. (McGee gets realeased, IMO)
If I’m running the Bills Big board: I have 1. Upshaw. 2. Kirkpatrick. 3. Ingram. as my top 3. I’d avoid Coples like the plague.
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by StroudFanClub on Feb 22, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Haha
Meet the parents reference excellent
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by panekattack on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
"I bet you are, Panama Red…"
LOL.. That made me laugh. Outstanding.
LOL.. That made me laugh. Outstanding.I said those are my top 3. If I ran the Bills do you want my top 10 on the big board? b/c that’s where you would find Claiborne, Blackmon, etc… etc.. etc…
by Michael_Necci on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
out of curiosity, is there a reason youd want the bills to leave names like blackmon, claiborne, griffin, luck, kalil, etc., off their big board?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Kirkpatrick
I’ve heard at least one source say teams may be looking to move him to Safety based on his size and lack of top end speed.
by Slick Shifty on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
The same thing was said about Aaron Williams last year. IDK if it was due to speed, but at least based on his size. If thats the case, I would pass on Kirkpatrick.
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and yet, williams is our best corner
and still sub- 6 foot.
If that is your reasoning for passing on a top 10 talent… Color me confused.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
But most do, off field issues:)
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Bruce Irvin- Way out of place in WVU’s 3-3-5 stack, im curious to see just how athletic this guy is. ive thought for a while that he could move to 4-3 linebacker (a la von miller), and im curious to see if he can post a sub 4.4 40 time as has been rumored.
Michael Brockers- ive got a sneaking suspicion that brockers could actually move outside and play end in a 4-3. he didnt get to move in space at LSU really… ever, but hes real explosive off the ball and he seems to close quick when hes got a clear path to the ball carrier. the guy came into LSU as an outside linebacker, so my hunch is that he can move. want to see his 10 yard split and 3 cone drill
Nick Perry- not necessarily something we’ll be able to see as fans, but the question with perry (in my mind) is how much muscle he can add to his frame while maintaining his athleticism. if perry can add, say, 15-20ish lbs and move just as well, i think hes clearly the best pure 4-3 end in the draft class
Brock Osweiler- simply because were going to hear his name a lot. with RGIII, luck, and tannehill not throwing this week, osweiler could really get a hype train rolling for himself by showing off his great size/athleticism combo and a rocket arm
Stephen Hill- the dudes 6-5, 200 lbs and has the look of someone who can run really well. knowing nix’s apparent obsession with size/speed at receiver, hill is someone that bills fans should pay close attention to.
ill just stop there before i end up typing a novel
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
by boomsauce on Feb 22, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do you have thoughts as to what round these guys will be drafted?
Are these guys you think Buffalo should target in the first found? I think Osweiler has been thought of as a mid round guy, but the rest?
brockers and perry should definitely be considerations at pick 10.
osweiler and irvin are kind of in the same boat. pick 10 is probably too high for them and i have serious doubts that either one will make it to the bills second pick
its possible that hill drops to the third round. id be downright shocked if hes there in the fourth.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
irvin wont be a day 1 pick
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by billsoferie on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
brockers would be interesting
As a de. Williams, Darius and brockers would be tough to defend.
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by billsoferie on Feb 22, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed about Brockers
I think either he or Dareus would move to DE and make for an amazing D-Line. I would take him or Upshaw over Coples any day.
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These are 5 guys with lots of potential but probably none of them are top ten worthy at present. A big combine could alter things dramatically for any of them. Personally I like Bruce Irvin but see him currently as a low 2nd round guy or even high 3rd round that could really rise the boards over the next 2 months. I like his pass rush ability and believe he could be excellent value where-ever he lands.
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by Billsdownunder on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't understand...
why OT is such a need? Even without Bell, we have Hairston. And should Hairston get hurt, Levitre can shift to LT. I understand it’s not the ideal situation, but it’s serviceable. We have other areas that aren’t even serviceable, like pass rush. I do not want to see a first round OT drafted. I want to see an elite pass rusher. If Stevie doesn’t come back, I understand that we’d need to consider a WR, but I would really hate if that’s the case.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
because you build from the trenches!
Tackle needs to be considered at 10 because 1) Bell may be gone, 2) Hairston is an average left tackle, 3) Levitre is not a “servicable” option at LT in the NFL (he is a great guard…period), and finally, 4) we need to have the ability to let Fitzy make a full 5-step drop and have ample time in the pocket. With Bell gone, we do not have the sure thing blind side protection that this team needs!
But you score through the air.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not if your QB is lying on his back.
by PineWoodsBillsFan on Feb 22, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Levitre is not a "servicable" option at LT in the NFL (he is a great guard…period)
I disagree wholeheartedly. Levitre is serviceable at LT. And he has proved it. He started at LT in the Bills win over the Redskins. Of course that’s not where I want him starting, but if he had to cover for a Hairston injury he could do it. And he could do it well enough to keep Fitz on his feet. For you to say he can’t is simply false.
Why add a first round OT when Hairston is a capable starter? There are other positions where we have 0 capable starters. Build there first. If you want an OT for depth so that Levitre doesn’t need to be called upon, then add that OT later in the draft. Don’t take a depth need at 10th overall. It’s not the smartest move the Bills could make.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Hairston is a capable starter (at this point), I think he’s a capable back-up. When healthy, I think Bell is an average to above average left tackle, but when healthy is a big caveat.
When Hairston filled in for Bell...
there was discussion of his level of play being virtually indistinguishable from Bell’s. So If you’re saying that Chris Hairston is not a capable starter, you’re also implying that Demetrius Bell is not a capable starter. Neither are superstars, but both are capable starters.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
The off-season is not a time to sugarcoat things. The Bills have one sure thing at tackle, and that’s an average right tackle in Erik Pears. They have Demetrius Bell – an injury-prone impending free agent who is pretty good when he’s actually healthy – and Chris Hairston, who regressed fairly badly as his rookie season wore on. Right there, they have about two tackles’ worth of depth – and potentially less if Bell strikes gold in a woefully thin free agent market at his position.
Buddy Nix said in January that you can never have enough tackles. It’s looking like there are four high-quality prospects at the position, and it could represent the best value for the Bills with their Top 10 pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do the Bills need value at 10 or a potentially unparalleled dynamo of player?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Those sound an awful lot like the same thing to me.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not to me. What you described sounds like an approach a team like the Giants or Packers can afford to make. The Bills need absolutely unparalleled superstars early. I mean studs. Players that change the face of the franchise – and not just of the QB variety. They don’t need solid talents at positions where recent history has proven you can get by with non-elite players.
The LT position is highly overrated in my opinion. It was different when there were less rules in place protecting the QB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t diminish the need for the Bills to not only take the best player, but for offensive line depth. If the tackle is the best player, what’s the issue?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
With so many top-tier DEs, OLBs, CBs, and WRs likely to still be available, I can’t imagine a scenario where OT is the clear-cut best player left at pick #10. I’d like to see them draft any of the 4 positions before OT.
They don’t need solid talents at positions where recent history has proven you can get by with non-elite players.
I agree with Afghan. If we need OT depth, take it in the later rounds. We need starting DEs/OLBs. We have at least 2 starting OTs already. Take a DE/OLB at #10.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagree with that. I’m just saying that if Jonathan Martin is graded out significantly higher than Melvin Ingram, Michael Floyd and Dre Kirkpatrick, they’re probably going to take Martin – and even if they’re wrong, we should be able to live with that philosophically.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
If he’s graded higher, he damn well better not be a depth player. I’ve had enough of the stacking talent method when it means supposed studs sit on the bench.
If they’re picking a player with their first pick who serves to supply depth at OT, I have serious issues supporting the move.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Saying that a player adds to a position’s depth does not imply that he will be buried on the depth chart. One can add to depth by pushing a subpar potential starter to the second team, no?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I certainly understand the philosophy, Brian.
I just have never understood how great players at 2 different positions can be objectively graded against one another.
How can one effectively prove that someone like Jonathan Martin is a better football player at OT than someone like Melvin Ingram is at DE. Both are lauded as top-tier talent at their respective positions. So what grading system could possibly be used to say one is better than the other?
It simply makes more sense to me to take the one you need more.
But, I’m not arguing with you. I know the philosophy that the Bills use. I just hope I like the results.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about Coples
Everytime I saw him he looked like he was going half speed – not sure I want that kind of person here in Buffalo.
We are really sitting pretty this year because I am convinced that Ingram or Upshaw will both have great pro careers. I am also really high on Reiff as well, he’s a franchise type LT in my mind. What makes me exctatic is that at least one of those three should be there at #10 – We are sitting pretty this year!
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I truly believe...
that work ethic and character are the two most important issues with any player. The most talented athlete on the planet won’t succeed in the NFL if he’s lazy and/or selfish.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I could not agree more!
That why i’m high on late round guys like:
Shea Mcclellin
Jake Bequette
Cordaro Law
All three are super hard workers with relentless motors, exactly like Kyle Williams!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
shea mcclellin will not be a ‘late round guy’. third round for him would be a steal for some team.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Agreed re: McClellin
I sincerely hope he lasts until the Bills’ 3rd round pick and I sincerely hope they take him there. I can even envision a trade down scenario where the Bills get a few less choices on their RDE prospect (i.e., maybe have to choose between Mercilus and Perry) but get a second Round 2 pick, the latter of which they would use to draft McClellin (and pick #41 they would use to draft QB Brock Osweiler). McClellin is going to make a monster SLB for some lucky team.
Agreed, Keysh...
I watched a few UNC games and have seen some of the highlight videos floating on the interwebz and have yet to see a consistently good pass rushing move. I never saw a consistent edge rush at all. I did see him use a bull rush many times (decently) and a few other moves…but I am concerned about his game transferring to the NFL.
Just remember what everyone said about Brian Orakpo. I’m convinced if a guy can succeed in Washington, he’s talented.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget.....
Dareus looked very iffy when you looked at his season as a whole.
He played the middle of the year with a high ankle sprain.
Maybe, Coples has a story too. I have already heard, something about him being afraid to get hurt
(and ruining his NFL chances) I’m not saying draft the guy, I am saying that maybe his story checks out but pushes down the draft board to ten and the Bills get Bruce light and return to NFL dominance.
I called him Bruce light and not Bruce two, because I cannot conceive another player as good as Bruce one was.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Dareus looked very iffy when you looked at his season as a whole
which season? Rookie NFL or final year in college? In my eyes he looked good in both. He is everything i expected and much more. He seems unselfish, hard working, strong, versatile, etc. etc. He also seems very respectful of his teamates and coaches. He and Kyle are definitely the bright spots of our team’s defensive future. I am not a big fan of the 4-3 but that being said I am happy they are building around those two great players, it’s the right thing to do! In this day of prolific passers like Brees, Brady, Peyton Manning – the key is disrupting the front and taking the pocket away. Thos three guys are not very good when they can’t step into the pocket and with Dareus & Williams we should be able to be quite successful for years to come.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Last year in college.....
He definitely had the high ankle sprain and he definitely had a slump because of it and his stats definitely didn’t look that impressive because of it.
I was a major (if not, the major) supporter of drafting Dareus last year and early on.
My option two was trading down a few spots and grabbing JJ watt which is looking very smart now.
I think JJ is a better fit as a 3-4 end. Not that Dareus can’t do it, but that it is a waste of Dareus’ talent. he is a big Warren Sapp and will prove it next year if he stays healthy and he gets some talent around him. I wasn’t so sure that tackle is his best position last year, but I am now. Going to the 4-3 is really a no brainer with Dareus and Kyle. Really, with Kyle, they should have never changed it, and then they draft Dareus, oh my.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
?
He had one more, two more tackles for a loss, and 1.5 less sacks his junior year. I don’t think that is a slump.
GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
Normally.....
You want a tackle’s stats to go up from his year prior for one.
And his stats did not look like the stats of a high draft pick.
And Nix told this story post draft.
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Brian Quick, WR Appalachian St-A former basketball player, he’s 6’4 with long arms. Knowing Nix wants big tall receivers I would definitely keep an eye on this guy. If Quick runs well at the combine and shows off his athleticism at the combine, he could really be a Buffalo target come the 3rd-4th round.
Keenan Robinson, LB Texas-A long rangy kid, he has the speed and athleticism new DC Dave Wannstedt covets, and with a strong showing at the combine he could definitely be a target for the Bills in that 4th round range.
Ronnel Lewis-DE Oklahoma-This guy has all the athleticism anyone could want. Has the chops to be a rush end, or maybe even stand up as a SLB in our new 4-3. With some natural pass rush talent, he could also be on our radar perhaps in the 2nd-3rd round range.
by BMWdrummerman777 on Feb 22, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
A long rangy....
Kid from Texas….
Did he have a mask on?
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Surprised this list goes from Reiff to Adams...
and skips right over Martin. Why is that? Not that I’m all that interested in the Bills using the #10 pick to take an OT anyway, but why skip Jonathan Martin like that? And why bother putting Kalil on this list when there is no way in hell he will be there anywhere near #10? Just curious…
Three pass rushers?
Only three pass rushers get a top ten grade so far?
That is why Nix said something like, we really want to solidify that LT spot this offseason.
A – Bell is going to get crazy money thrown at him and with his injuries, the Bills are afraid…
B – there is a very good chance that the best player overall is an OT…..
I don’t like it!
Unless, of course, we get some notable free agents at wr and DE.
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whats not to like?
The Bills have avoided taking on the OT position head on in far too long. If we had an opportunity to add a talent like Kalil it would actually Chan Gailey to have Ryan Fitzpatrick take something other than 3 step drops and give him time to read the defense and let routes develop down the field.
I get the lovefest with the offensive line this year because they played excellent but Iets not pretend like the 1-8 finish had nothing to do with the fact that defenses figured out that our gameplan was limited to releasing the ball on quick, short routes because Gailey was covering up our pass protection issues.
Getting an elite LT changes everything offensively for this team in my opinion.
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by poz on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think....
Losing two LTs, your center, and other O-line guys,injuries to your QB and others had more to do with it….
I don’t like it because it is a lateral move. Bell played very well when he could last year….
I want a team that is clearly better this year. I want two pass rushers and two wrs. who can impact this team for next year.
I don’t want a CB #1 for the same reason. I say get the pass rushers and coach up the CBs and draft a forth rounders ( or wherever the second tier guys line up in our board).
But on the other hand, you do not want to reach for the pass-rusher…..
It’s complicated!
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
hahah yes it is complicated thats for sure
even more so because there is so much uncertainty regarding the futures of Bell and Stevie.
I fully expect Bell’s pricetag to be way more than he’s worth, do you trust a scenario where we end up moving Levitre again? As you said, our o-line was decimated down the stretch but I think it was at its worst when we had to slide Levitre over to LT. I suppose we could sign a cheaper, solid veteran swing tackle to address the problem though.
If Stevie leaves everythign is thrown off, and letting him leave would be absolutely absurd. Lets hope it doesnt come to that.
I totally understand your point about pass rushers though, I think its EASILY the Bills biggest weakness.
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No...
We need Levitre to stay put, but at least Hairston is a viable back up.
I think the Bills need left tackle prospects….not swing….a swing tackle is someone who can play both, but probably won’t ever dominate either, and besides, we are loaded at RT methinks…..
I can also see that it might not be the best move to sign Bell, but only because of his injuries. I hope, if let him walk, it is only because they feel more injuries are in his future.
And!
And, then they put that Bell money somewhere like DE or Wr if we draft a LT.
I am done with spinning the wheels.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
ah, so you dont want a swing
because you dont see Hairston as a viable LT starter?
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No,
I am not sure about Hairston at left tackle.
I am sure about right tackle.
So, we need left tackles only.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
More ramblings......
Levitre – two weeks in a row last year I saw Levitre get that last guy from his guard position and Freddy took it to the house.they both were diving lunges and he grabbed the guy by his ankles both times and took him down. Super highlight reel stuff, probowl plays for sure. He has to stay at LG. Our whole line is vastly underrated, I’d be more than happy if we just kept Bell and got a TE late in the draft to convert to LT (if they think they can keep him).
If Bell stays healthy, he could easily become a probowl LT.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
If Bell stays healthy, he could easily become a probowl LT.
Based on six starts playing in Chan Gailey’s quick strike offense at the beginning of the season before teams figured out we couldn’t block long enough for the deep ball? I think thats overstating the case for Bell by a large margin given his history and larger sample size, and thats not even taking into account his injury issues. How much per year would you be willing to pay him if you are the Bills to find out? He’s likely to want guaranteed money and a relatively long-term deal while he can get it.
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by poz on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bell has gotten better...
but no player made me more angry than Demetrius Bell in 2009. He was a false start factory. You remember when Jauron tried to implement the No Huddle and Bell couldn’t remember how to count? He got 2 or 3 false starts a game!
So, those penalties still color my opinion of him today. I must be reasonable though and admit that he has gotten much better in respect to false starts.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 22, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
he has definitely gotten better no doubt
Im just worried the Bills will overpay. Bell has proven he deserves to be a serious player on an NFL roster. I still think he has a long way to go to prove he should be handed starter reigns
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Listen....
I saw Fitzy stand in the pocket enough times and I watched Bell block on his own to do it. (the year before Fred was always helping him.) Bell also did a good job run blocking and showed enthusiasm doing it. He looks like (and is)
A prototypical LT.
I posed the condition on that Bell is healthy……
I don’t know how much I would pay him at all. I would talk to my doctors, and a lot of them., and hope they were definite one way or the other…..if not, I don’t know, it is a tough job.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Bell did a great job in run blocking
I’ve always said thats his biggest strength (and gotten blasted for it but I still beleive its true). It is a tough job for sure, deciding how much to offer Bell is going to be a big issue this off-season I just hope its not much because for me, we can’t afford to keep risking big dollars.
He may be willing to give the Bills a discount as the home team and because of his history of inconsistency both playing wise and health wise but I doubt it. I certainly won’t blame the man for taking the biggest deal he can get.
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Yup. And this makes me sad Poz.
The Bills developed him, trained him, and now he is a decent NFL starting left OT.
He’s been hurt the last two seasons, and I think the Bills want him back.
But there is enough quality play of him on tape that some team is going to “Pay the man.”
And we won’t match the offer. Because he has not been healthy enough for Buddy to offer him a premium deal.
And there’s the problem.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 22, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
exactly!
Getting an elite LT changes everything offensively for this team
If Reiff is there at #10, he’d be my number one choice. Definitely the BPA on the board.
Of course my assumption is that Blackmon & Kalil are gone.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
When is the last time an elite LT changed a team’s fortunes offensively? Cleveland still stinks. Miami still stinks. they employ two of the best ones in the league today.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
New England.....
Is all about that offensive line. It is a machine.
The good news…. I feel confident that chixy is doing that here. They will get that done and our offense will be good because of it. They were getting there last year until injury devastation hit.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
But are any of them truly elite or is it Brady who makes them appear so?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In A Word
Both.
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think.....
Most of N.E. O-linemen are higher picks…..and I think they are coached very well and perform as a unit.
I think Buffalo’s line is really coming along. I think Nix knows what to look for and Gailey knows how to coach them.
I think the get rid of the ball offense helps, but I give more credit to the line.
Fitzy had plenty of long plays before the injuries. Fred no longer had to stay in and became a real threat. And Freddy had massive holes quite often that on replay really showed outstanding blocking. All five starters had their moments and Hairston and Rhinehardt played well too. We need a left tackle now though….
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When is the last time an elite LT changed a team’s fortunes offensively?
- Tony Boselli became the face of the Jaguars in 1995 and became a key cog in producing a prolific offense with QB Mark Brunell, WR Jimmy Smith and RB Fred Taylor.
- Orlando Pace played a huge and underappreciated role in turning around the St. Louis Rams when he was drafted in 1997 and morphing that offense into the greatest show on turf while winning a Super Bowl.
- Tra Thomas was drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in 1998 and anchored the LT spot for an offense that would play in 5 NFC Championship games, 1 Super Bowl and would earn 3 Pro Bowl visits and 1 all-pro
- In 2005, the Saints drafted Jamaal Brown and he played a major role in the emergence of the Saints offense in 2006 when they won their first NFC South title and he made two Pro Bowls while being a key cog in the Saints powerhouse offense of the late 2000s that won a Super Bowl
- In the 2006 the Jets selected D’Brickashaw Ferguson who became a major contributor, and still is, to the re-emergence of the Jets as a team that contends almost yearly and which somehow manages to be competitive and got to 2 straight AFC Championship games despite having Mark Sanchez to protect. He too, has become a Pro Bowler.
With the possible exception of Drew Brees none of the LTs I mention above played a part in turning around their teams fortunes while pairing up with a hall of fame QB. Most of them joined scenarios where teams either had in place or soon would, a situation similar to the Bills – a gamer at QB, WRs who could make plays and a dangerous/elite running back or two. You could even make the argument that of any of the elite QBs, Drew Brees has the most in common with Fitzpatrick.
I think its been underplayed around here how much the Bills have hurt themselves by refusing to invest in an elite LT. They can make a world of difference and have in the past.
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by poz on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose Kurt Warner would fit the HoF bill
though again if any elite QB is Fitzpatrickian, its Brees and Warner.
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D. Nabb could be in the Hall of Fame discussion.
Not saying he is worthy of induction, but the guy does have some nice numbers and accomplishments.
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by StroudFanClub on Feb 22, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones should be on that list too.
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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 22, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I simply don’t feel that the Bills find the greatest measure of new success by drafting a LT this year. I don’t feel it will translate into wins as much as we’d all like it to.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Measure Of Success?
We need a new ruler before we can measure success. Sorry:)
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Spot On
Poz, good coaching hid our O/L weaknesses that still need addressing.
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Will Reiff or martin be elite
that one fan post about finesse OTs, made it seem like they would be poor fits. They are much lighter than our other OL. The only OT i see the bills taking is Adams from Ohio State. But he may be a reach at 10.
Mario Williams.
This is BR’s list, not OBD’s.
Sidebar: Is anyone else having a great deal of difficulty with the board and posting their comments?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not Recently
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
If they lose Stevie, I think Floyd’s the pick. While still a serious offense in terms of the harm it can do, a DUI speaks to the immaturity most college kids work through. (And no, i’m not saying a DUI is standard fare – just that I find it to be minor in the grand scheme of things here).
Remember, Bruce Smith had a fair bit of trouble with alcohol and the road while he was becoming one of the greatest defenders in the history of the league.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions
Why can't Floyd be the pick anyways?
Even if they resign Stevie tey still have a WR need. No need to pass on great talent just because you have 1 WR. It’d help open up Stevie more open up the middle for the right end and also address the need of getting Fitzpatrick some real weapons. Ralph said he wants to bring guys in who can catch and help fitz (they all seem sold on the guy). Nix says he wants a guy who’s open when he isn’t really open. Floyd addresses all those areas.
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by panekattack on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, he could. If they lost Stevie then they likely won’t be big players for the real difference-maker WRs in FA. That means they’re going to need REAL help real quick.
If they keep Stevie, then they really need to consider a guy who can upset opposing QBs a bit.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I think....
If the Bills do anything positive before the draft, it will be the wr position.
I would not be surprised if we were upgraded there before….
On the other hand, they probably let Bell walk, which cancels out the upgrade….
No, no, I want to be positive… Here’s to the Bills looking improved before the draft….
Go Bills!
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Don't Care About Number 1
I’m not really caring so much about the players already set for high draft potential.
I’m looking forward to the players who will raise their low stock with a good showing. These are players who go to a small school and haven’t gotten noticed or haven’t really impressed on the field but have great measurables.
Players like:
Whitney Mercilus DE
Chandler Jones DE
Cam Johnson DE
Ryan Steed CB
Casey Hayward CB
Trumaine Johnson CB
Cordy Glenn OT
Zebrie Sanders OT
Matt McCants OT
Nick Toon WR
Brian Quick WR
and of course a bunch of the QBs
These guys are great deeper round picks
Shea Mcclellin
Jake Bequette
Cordaro Law
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Is Chandler Jones
a RDE or LDE? I don’t know much about him but I like that he’s from Cuse.
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-Marv Levy
I think Floyd is the pick
the more i read about the draft if Couples isnt there at 10 then Floyd is the pick and if Stevie doesnt sign better grab Jefferey in the 2nd. Also there good pass rusher avalable in the 2nd round (Vin Curry, Chandler Jones)
by Eric L Ellinger on Feb 22, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions
Floyd and Blackmon are my two favorite offensive players at 10. Would be happy if we took Floyd at 10.
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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
No need to list any DEs. The Bills will have signed Mario Williams by the time they pick tenth.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And they’ll save money in the long run…and time spent grooming.
It’s only going to get more expensive signing and finding dominant pass rushers. If they get him now, they’re set for 8 years at least. If they draft a guy who takes off in similar fashion, they’ll pay far more trying to retain him in future years.
Just makes sense to me, no matter what it does to their ability to spend elsewhere.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
another reason it makes so much sense to me
is that the Bills have already wasted at least one season of Kyle Williams’ prime playing him out of his natural position. It is very rare to get one of the top DTs in the league on your roster, in his prime. Let alone potentially paired up with another youngster in Dareus who could be the same.
Winning is about maximizing your talent when its at its peak at the right time. Mario Williams is in his prime. Time to pair him up with Kyle Williams and maximize the talent we have.
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by poz on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely. The mentality that he’s too expensive and they can fix the position with someone lesser-able than he, would be troubling news to me.
It’d be like passing on Peyton Manning because your team has Kevin Kolb.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
right, exactly
or having Andre Johnson and AJ Green at WR (Kyle and Dareus at DT) and deciding you shouldnt make a bid for Tom Brady because you can roll with Chad Henne
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by poz on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or in the Bills case
shouldnt make a bid for ________ because you can roll with
Chad Henne
Ryan Fitzpatrick
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According to Beckett, Godot was a metaphor for the Buffalo Bills :-)
by fansince60 on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
Good to read ya sir!
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fine. With Ingram’s speed we’ll just have to convert him to OLB if we get Williams :)
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by NordicBillsfan on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
i like him at olb
A lot.
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by billsoferie on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We still need...
The other one! LDE in rd. one.
Let’s build a D to literally kill Tom Brady.
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by podunkowego on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Jonathan Martin OT, Stanford
rated way higher than Adams?
One of the 3 franchise OT’s pre combine I believe. Be shocked if one isnt in a Bills uni next yr.
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by Blood, sweat & Win on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions
I really like this draft board Brian
the top 4, while maybe hopeful options are all BPA guys that fill needs so thats encouraging. I like that the board is stacked with LTs, WRs, and DEs at the top, the three most important positions to the Bills success in my opinion. And you can’t really argue with a CB that Mayock says is better than Patrick Peterson (I didnt know Claiborne was so highly touted).
No chance this was a draft board a source inside the Bills front office slipped to you is there? No? Dang.
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I’m sure I’m not the first to mention Nick Perry (havn’t read the comments yet), but as a junior, he didn’t participate in any of the all-star games so the weigh in will be absolutely huge for him. What he weighs and how he looks and how long his arms are will be worth noting, especially now that Buffalo is looking for guys who can play with a hand on the ground.
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CHANDLER JONES steal of the Draft 2nd or 3rd round
Pros:
Size we want, Good Motor, Good Pass Rusher, Good pedigree has a brother Art Jones plays for Baltimore and his other brother is a UFC champ Bones Jones.
Cons:
Injury History, played in Big East
by Eric L Ellinger on Feb 22, 2012 11:05 AM EST reply actions
possibly, but scouts are gonna look at that injury he had at the start of the year. He did have a great finish though and his bros are Arthur Jones of the Baltimore Ravens and Johnny “BONES” Jones UFC Champ, which is cool.
by CUSEtownBILLS on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dang you said all that already. My apologizes.
by CUSEtownBILLS on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
For pass rushers the 3 I really like are:
Whitney Mercilus
Courtney Upshaw
Vinny Curry
Mercilus led in sacks, tackles for loss and forced fumbles. He has the size and can stand up or put his hand in the ground. You can’t go wrong with him.
Upshaw put up good numbers all around, but not nearly as big of numbers as Mercilus, but did it against stronger competition.
I would be most happy with those two, and if the Bills move down and grab Mercilus that would be even better!
by Billiever83 on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don’t think Upshaw or Ingram will be targeted by the bills,They seem like Arthur Moats part 2 to me. big short guys(by NFL standards) that may not be able to get good push against much larger NFL tackles.If I had to pick one I would go with Ingram, he is more athletic and a better pass rusher than Upshaw. Beyond that
Whitney Mercilus
Nick Perry
Alshon Jeffery,if the bills traded back, maybe with someone that really really wanted a LT, Jeffery would be the guy I would want for the bills
Demario Davis(not in the first round), I think afghan or boom mentioned him a month or so ago and man the kid flys to the ball and tackles the right way. I’m not even sure he was invited but I hope so.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions
Oh and, I think Coples will be our pick at number 10, just way to much potential to pass up. If he’s available at 10, he would be the best value imho, at our biggest need.
We have an elite pass rushing LB who likes to conserve electrcity-Munchausen
by cencalclassics on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM EST reply actions
BPA
I can’t stand targeting players like this. Everyone should be looked at. And we should draft the best player available cause they make the other players on the field play better. If CB is the best player available then our pass rushers are better cause the opponents WRs are better covered and the QB has to hold the ball longer. If DE is the best player available then our CB’s look better cause the opponents QB has less time to make their reads and pass. If LT is best player available it makes our passing game that much better. Etc, etc. Can’t get too focused on must drafts for 1 or 2 positions.
Mercilus
I know he was only a one year wonder, but I think he merits a close look
At Least 4 of those guys will not be there when we pick
We should be a little more interested in guys that will most likely be there and for our 2nd and 3rd round picks. Guys like Mercilus, Burfict, Sanhu etc
Im sure Brian and MRW will get around to covering every round eventually
we do have 2 months. I think this intro article is just to give us an idea of who the heavy hitters are for the Bills, even the unreaslitic ones.
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Decastro
Should be on that list, Urbik and Rinehart arent resigned so right now we dont have much quality depth at the interior of our line; and on top of that this kid fits the style the bills play, great at protection and can really pull or get out there on the screen. Add that to the fact that each of the past two 1st rounders in Nix regime have been at positions we already had starters at…i take that as he wants his 1st rounders to have some competition, and doesnt just hand them starting jobs.
Nix does not like to draft guards. He woukd rather draft a tackle and kick him inside. That is a big reason he is not on this board.
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by matthew62 on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What about WR Gerell Robinson?
Big target that can catch. Single-handedly prevented Brock Osweiler from looking downright awful in some of those games
Guys that should also be on our watch list
Dre Kirkpatrick
Whitney Mercilus
Jonathan Martin
Alshon Jeffery
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Players I wouldn't mind to see in the Red, White and Blue..
OLB (Besides Upshaw who is my choice for the Bills)
Nick Perry—USCal
Zack Brown—N.C
Josh Kaddu—Oregon
Shea McClellin- Boise St.
DE
Nick Perry—USCal
Andre Branch –Clemson
Chandler Jones—Cuse
CB
Trumaine Johnson—Montana
Stephen Gilmore—USCarolina
WR
Kendall Wright-Baylor
Nick Toon-Wisc
Juron Criner—Arz
TY Hilton- FIU
Tight Ends…
Orson Charles—Ga.
Coby Fleener—Stanford
.
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Coples
I just think developing a player in the system is ideal. Getting Super Mario or Mathis would be awesome, but if we could get Coples (or RGIII for that matter) and work him into the system with that 10th pick would be best IMO. That JPP type of player year one….that is if he’s there.
by CUSEtownBILLS on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Am I missing something here?
I have very, very rarely seen Rueben Randle’s name mentioned on here. Ive see so many mentioned of Nick Toon, Alshon Jeffrey, Brian Quick and many other WR’s not likely to be 1st rounders, but not much Randle. Why? He is the perfect Buddy Nix pick at WR. LSU, 6’3", physical, good RAC ability, experienced, attacks the ball, etc. To me, unless he kills it in Indy, he is an absolute ideal pick in round 2 or even round 3 (if he runs poorly). Where’s the love?
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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is he a deep threat? Or is he a possession guy?
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more possession from my understanding
but so are most of the higher rated WR’s.
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by Billsdownunder on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
jones and wright get pretty much overlooked entirely as well.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 23, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
sorry
wright doesn’t meet those qualifications though… so i will add Sanu instead.
If you caught any of my series, I included Randle in my part 4 analysis of offensive needs/prospects.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
if i were the bills
i would do what it took to get rg3, not even a question in my mind.
The problem is that Gailey and Nix will try to win now to keep their jobs, that is why we will never win. Every 2 or 3 years er have a new coach and start all over again.
Bring back Steve, Get a pass rusher in FA and then draft the BPA WR or DE in the second, if we have a second, it depends what we trade to get up for Griffen.
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Right? We signed Fitzmagic and were not gonna pursue a qb till waaaay later in draft. Based solely on owners comment we’ll get a WR that can catch in first rd. Bank on it! :)
OK, After 12 yrs. of inepititude lets set the bar a little higher regarding both talent and ownership. This is unacceptable for this franchise. Thanks for the memory's RW but let it go, please.
by buffalobacker on Feb 22, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
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