Fact about Chan and an observation
by suteck on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 PM EST
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We learned something very important about Chan today. He is smarter then the coach who won the super bowl today. How do I know that? Simple. They had the ball inside the 10 with under a minute left. As we know, Chan was in a similar point with NE and he did the correct thing, have Fitz take a knee. However, the Giants coach instead of having Eli do a QB kneel, hands it off to Bradshaw. I know many will pile on Bradshaw for not going down before his, ah, momentum took him over the goal line. I thought Bradshaw made a bone-headed play too, but, he was running at full-tilt and really might not have been able to stop his momentum quickly enough to stay out of the end zone. That is on Tom Coughlin and him alone. All he had to do was make the correct call, which he failed to do. Yes, they won the game, but, if they do it the correct way, it is never that close.
Next time you want to rag on Chan, remember, he got this call right and the coach that won the super bowl, didn't.
Lastly, I have a question. Does anyone remember the first game Bennett played in for the Bills? I do. It was against the Broncos. Bennett was having a wild first game. On one play, he lined up on the same side as Bruce Smith and what did HOF Elway do? He called TIME-OUT!!
What does this have to do with anything? Good question. Here is my idea: Could Dareus be used at DE? With us going to the 4-3, is it at all possible that Dareus could stay outside, even on some plays? Imagine a DL with (as of right now) Kelsey, Edwards, Williams, Dareus. That would allow us to keep our DT depth solid and make one less DE spot to fill. Anyway this could work? Is he athletic enough?
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I don’t know how similar the situations were. The Giants were outside the 5 yard line, the Bills were on the 1. Also, Chan got lucky that Fred was called down and didn’t make it into the end zone.
I would have a hard time calling Chan “smarter” than any multiple Super Bowl-winning coach ;)
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but…Tommy boy just won the super bowl
Tommy boy just won his second super bowl,
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Dareus would not be ideal 4-3 end
He would be neutralized pretty easily by majority of OLTs in NFL
Speed and power off that end is imperative
He regrettably has only one – power
Leave him inside where he can eat up less athletic guards and smaller centers
Sign Cliff Avril or Terrence Mathis as pass rushing DEs
Our coach is not smarter than Couglin.
1.) The Bills got lucky on the Jackson ruling which allowed us to burn clock.
2.) Coughlin was in a little game called the Super Bowl. The Bills finished 6-10
3.) Chan’s playcalling after the bye week was figured out after the first 4 plays of every game.
4.) The play resulted in a TD that forced the Pats to have to score, ratcheting the pressure on Brady to deliver against a decent Giants D.
5.) A field goal would have been far less leverage at the end of that game than a TD.
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The only thing I don’t think you’re realizing is that the Giants had the opportunity to burn the clock down so that if the FG is made, there’s no time left for Brady and the Pats’ O. But I don’t necessarily disagree with the Giants’ scoring the TD. The pressure in a SB is huge. Who knows if the snap would have been bad or if the kicker would doink one off the upright or something?
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by thefourwinds on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
That is what I am trying to say.
Perhaps I didn’t explain it clearly. ON THAT PLAY AND THAT PLAY ONLY, the correct play by the coach is a QB kneel. Pats call a TO. then, on third down, run the play. If they score, fine, if not, no biggie. But, it was wrong to run an actual play when the ONLY move NE had was to allow him to score.
I never said Chan was better or whatever, what I said, is that on that 1 play, Chan made the correct call and the Giants coach didn’t. That is a fact. Luckily, for the Giants, it turned out okay. However, if that Hail Mary had been successful, what would we be saying today? We’d be talking about that play.
I think Chan might be smarter then many give him credit for. Belichick knew the correct call was to let them score a TD. In our game, in the same situation, Chan called for the QB kneel. In the Super Bowl, Tom C made the wrong call and it almost cost his team. Yes, he won, but, they won in spite of that giant mistake, not because of it. The fact that Chan got it right in the heat of the game tells me that we have a good coach, a better coach then some realize and hopefully, if another insane thing happens, Chan will figure it out correctly too.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
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1) I don’t think anyone in their right mind would rather have Chan than Coughlin. I don’t think the Giants did the wrong thing by going into the end zone. If the game was tied, sure, but I don’t think you can pass up points when you’re down 2. You don’t want to be in a position where a bad snap on a field goal attempt costs you everything. That very thing happened to the Giants in San Francisco in a playoff game. Put the points on the board, and have confidence that your defense can stop the Pats from going 80 yards in 58 seconds.
2) Dareus has the potential to be one of the best DT’s in the league. Why would you ever mess around with him? Let him do what he does best.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 6, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
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by thefourwinds on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It is odd
That you don’t consider that the wrong play. Taking a QB kneel forces the Pats to use their last TO. How is that NOT the better play? Chan knew it. Belichick even knew it. That is why he told his team to allow them to score. It was the ONLY way they could have a chance to win.
I know for a fact that if the Pats come back and win, we are all talking about that play, non-stop today. The NYG won the SB in spite of that play, not because of it.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
dude. its two totally different scenarios.
bills pats game was tied. in some nightmare scenario where the bills blow the kick the game just goes into OT. chan didnt have much of anything to lose by milking the clock and kicking the field go with no time left.
giants were losing the game. in some nightmare scenario where they blow the kick the giants dont go to OT with the pats. they leave indy as losers of the super bowl. completely different situations. the giants were not in a position to gamble and leave points on the board, the bills were.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
I don’t think you can pass up points when you’re down
i agree with literally everything you said here, but this statement gets u a rec. your down 2 points in the super bowl with about 1 minute left. if theres a touchdown to be had, TAKE IT. dont get cute.
i dont get the point of this post. if brady had scored on that last drive, then this argument might have merit. but coughlin won. how in the world is there an argument for chans tactic being better than coughlins? both resulted in victories, but one of them was the super bowl…
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
WHy??
i dont get the point of this post.
it is two-fold. 1. It is food for fodder. What was the correct play. The correct play was to not score there. They did. Yes, they got lucky and still won. That isn’t the point.
2. The point is that any coach can make a mistake, which he did. Chan, easily could have handed the ball off to Jackson for the TD run. Take their chances on defense. He made the correct call.
It is entirely possible to make the wrong call and still end up with your desired results, as was witnessed by millions yesterday.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
again. youre comparing apples to oranges.
the bills-pats game was tied at the time. the giants-pats game was not. drawing a direct comparison like you are between those two scenarios is immediately a moot point- because they are very different situations. bills game there was 2 minutes left in a tie. last night there was 1 minute left and the giants would lose the game outright if the score stayed as it was.
in your opinion, coughlin made a bad call and ‘got lucky’. in my opinion, getting the touchdown when u can with 1 minute left was the right move. and it certainly cant be used to show that gailey is somehow a smarter or better coach than tom coughlin.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
The correct play was to not score there
if they didnt score on that drive, they wouldve lost the super bowl. you do realize that, right? ideally they milk the clock and then kick a field goal, but by taking a knee and counting on everything going right on a kick you are taking a huge risk (go ask tony romo how easily a short kick can go horribly wrong in the playoffs).
run the ball. get the points. pats need to go 80 yards in very short time, so play inside technique on the edges and keep an extra guy deep. win ball game.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Teams often shuffle their D-Line around for specific sets. Vince Wilfork seems to be dropped into pass coverage about once a game. Ngata too. Just a couple I thought of off the top.
Good defenses throw the occasional wrinkle to put the doubt element into the O’s mind. I hope to see similar things this year for the Bills D.
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by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 6, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions
Is he athletic enough?
it would be a horrible idea to move dareus out to the edge. maybe on some subpackages or something when they are playing a heavy run defense, but beyond that: absolutely not.
bills need athletes at DE who can fly up field and get after the QB. moving dareus out to DE is akin to moving spencer johnson to OLB. you take a guy out of his comfort zone and move him to a spot where his talents are not maximized, thereby weakening your play at both defensive end and defensive tackle. no no no no
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Tom has 2 rings…chan has none…whos smarter again?
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by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Feb 6, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions
How does one decision make somebody smarter than somebody else? I’m sure there are a few more examples from this season of Chan making a notably better decision in similar circumstances than Coughlin did. And I’m sure that Coughlin made quite a few good decisions that Chan failed to make himself. If all it takes is one decision, then we could go into any drunken idiot’s house for a season and find one time that he made the right call that a coach didn’t. Doesn’t make him smarter than anybody.
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he is making an assumption
that because Fred Jackson failed to get his TD (it was ruled a TD, then reversed, if you recall, so really the only conclusion that could be logically come to would be that Bradshaw, and Jackson are similar in that game situation didn’t make them want their TDs less) and they burned time and took the FG (which could have been missed) that somehow that equals Chan>Coughlin. I disagree wholly. I do think the situations are SIMILAR (sorta-if somehow the Super Bowl didn’t factor in) from a game stand point, but the conclusion is just not accurate.
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