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How many more years?


As a true die hard Bills fan I am getting sick of losing and watching teams like the Pats, Steelers, and Giants enjoy success, I left the Packers and Saints and Colts out because they have only won one super bowl...still one more then us.

Anyways....I have been doing some thinking this past week and predicting the Bills future and this is what I have come up with..

2012 season: Bills make the wild card at 10-6...The teams we would have to worry about, the Ravens: Their D is not getting any younger by no means. And I still believe that they are better then the Steelers. The Bengals season was a good one but I do not see them repeating. Bills and Steelers take the wild cards next season.

2013 Season: Bills take the AFC east. Pats and Jets take the Wild cards. The Pats QB, Brady, is getting up their in age THANK GOD!!!

2014 Season: Bills take the AFC east again. Lose in the AFC championship. Things look bright for this team with new faces and CJ Spiller, Stevie, Chandler, and Fitz (hopefully him) leading the way.

2015 Season: BILLS WIN THE SUPER BOWL!! This will be our time to jump around and act stupid like the Giants did tonight.

It took Levy 2-3 years to build the perfect team. Gaily was handed garbage when he took over. We have the tools people. I am ready for the draft....I am ready for the start of 2012 NFL (plus when the season starts I will be transferring away from Camp LeJeune and going to the USS New York, how ironic is that?)

Keep your chins up fans...do not get upet!!

With the right drafts......with the right FA signings...with the right coaching...this could happen.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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dude

love the optimism…I personally think we should draft a stud pass rusher (s), invest HARD (harder than we ever have in recent history) into free agency, and we will be in the playoffs. Lets grab either Bowe, V Jack, or Colston (under the circumstance we re-sign Stevie to make a 2 wideout formula of dominance) and snag Mathis, Williams, Avril, or Abraham. This is our biggest offseason of the decade and its now or never…..Im with you my dude… BILLIEVE

by roamingbuffaloOFduffs on Feb 6, 2012 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

Not with Fitz at QB
2012 season: Bills make the wild card at 10-6

His ceiling is 9-6 with a championship D,

"A Patriots loss is a Bills win" - TheAfghanTwighlight

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 6, 2012 4:55 AM EST reply actions  

WATCH AND SEE.......

IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE…….

"A Patriots loss is a Bills win" - TheAfghanTwighlight

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean

9-7 is his ceiling, 1 key over typo.

"A Patriots loss is a Bills win" - TheAfghanTwighlight

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 6, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions  

You think he is not capable of one more win then you predict to ten? Like somehow he hits a brick wall at nine?
He had five with arguably the worst defense in the league.
I can’t find one way to justify your statement. I’m trying…hang on….. actually, no…… there isn’t…you just don’t like him.

by eriesimmer on Feb 6, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

for speaking the truth. People on here either like or hate Fitz. He gets no credit with a lot of posters here. I think he can do fine, with a decent defense. Hey, if ALEX SMITH can have a career year, after all the coaches and OC he’s had, so can Fitz. And if Eli who leads the league in INT some years (as recently as LAST YEAR, WHEN HE HAD MORE THEN FITZ) CAN BOUNCE BACK , SO CAN FITZ. With a good defense, sky’s the limit.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

People on here either like or hate Fitz.

Those are generally speaking, the two options, right?

He gets credit for a number of things. He gets nitpicked (as much as any QB) for his short-comings as well. I “like” Fitzpatrick, he seems like an awesome guy. I feel like he is smart, a good leader, a hard worker, he plays with heart and effort. But you can still argue he is only a borderline starter (currently) in this league, because he still is wildly inaccurate, he has poor feet, he is questionable at using a pocket, his accuracy decreases on the run severely (some QBs seem equal, and even sometimes better on the run, but i realize MOST people decrease on the move), and I think that the point that he needs a very good defense isn’t untrue. I think he would benefit immensely with more running, and play passing (which you need to run first in order to be effective) and he can get us to the playoffs with those things, but I really don’t see him leading us to winning 12 or 13 or 14 wins in a single season, ever. That doesn’t maybe matter, but guys like Brees, Eli, Peyton, Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Brady, even Stafford or maybe Cam Newton… they can win you games on their own. They find a way. I feel Fitz is more like a Cassel, a Flacco, a Ryan, or a Schaub… they are going to need a little more help from the rest of the team, but you can surely hang your hat on them, as long as you put them in ideal positions to win games. My major issue is, that by the time Fitz is really “peaking” (assuming he can improve his game through footwork/mechanics)… that we will be looking to get our newer QB involved, or that it will take that long for us to build up the team for him, and we will have a very small window.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I will give you

The fab 5 (both Peytons, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers, however, none of the other QB’s you mentioned can get a win on their own. Stafford, Big Ben and Rivers need help. Their records prove that. Look at their stats when they are playing from behind.
If Alex Smith can get 13 wins, I see no reason why Fitz can’t either. Once you are in the league, once you become a starter, where you are drafted makes no difference. So, if a below average (up to last year) Alex Smith can do it, so can Fitz. And Eli threw MORE Picks last year with a better team then Fitz did this year. In other words, any QB can be better with a better QB.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Alex did it with tons of help.

Big Ben has gotten there with a great defense, but he has run a basic system designed on running, he has won spread passing, and if you don’t think his ability to extend a play means that he wins on his own, agree to disagree. Rivers, has thrown TONS of wins basically on his own. look at the whole of the 2010 season when he lost all of his WRs (they had like, 21 guys that caught receptions from him that year) Stafford I think has huge play ability, and as a first overall selection, and a injury free year, he surely had Calvin’s help, but he moved the ball around as well as any of those I mentioned.

Any qb can be better with a better defense you mean? of course. i won’t argue against that. i am arguing that Fitz doesn’t fall into the category of “wins games for you”, regardless of who we agree belongs in that category, or not. I would more consider him “could lose games for you” category still.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 6, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

once you become a starter, where you are drafted makes no difference.

How many yards you throw for per pass attempt does make a difference though. Guys like Big Ben, Stafford and Rivers average a whole yard or two more per attempt than Fitz does. That’s not a number you can just push aside and conclude that the QBs are comparable. Nobody talks about a 3.8 yard per carry RB being as good as some 5.2 yard per carry back if only his defense was better. The Bills will forever be at a disadvantage with Fitz unless he suddenly becomes more effective throwing down the field.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 6, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

People on here either like or hate Fitz.

I know I hate him. And his family. And his dog.

Seriously though, I think most posters, the vast majority of them on this site, think he’s a good guy that can play well and win games when the players around him play well. But he suffers from bouts of inconsistency, and most of us are looking for an eventual upgrade. In that regard, I think there’s a small minority that “hates” him, whereas most of us like him. By the same token, I would say there was a series of posters who are delusional about his abilities to the point where they almost expect him to lead us on a Super Bowl run. I think that’s as crazy as people believing he’s a terrible QB who can’t win at all.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 6, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How is it delusional

to think he can win 13 games with a good defense? He won 6 with a truly terrible defense. And a boat-load of injuries. You get him a good defense where he isn’t behind by halftime and then judge. I won’t pass judgement on him, either way, until we field a real NFL defense that is in the top half of the league. Lets see what he can do when he doesn’t have to bail out the team and it’s ineptitude.
Eli threw 25 picks last year, MORE then Fitz did this year. This year, super bowl winner and MVP. It can happen. No clue if it will. I don’t think it is delusional to think that he can play much better. How much better, I have no clue, and won’t judge until they field a real defense.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

to think he can win 13 games with a good defense?

I said Super Bowl.

I know he can play better. I have no qualms about that. But until he shows even a hint of consistency, there is no chance, in my mind, that he wins three straight games against the top competition in the league to get to the Super Bowl. Those that see differently, to me, have delusions of his play that include much more consistency, better ball placement, and overall better decision making. I’m not sure where he’s shown any of those could be better.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Fitz is absolutely capable of more than that. Guys like Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez, Alex Smith, Joe Flacco and Derek Anderson have won 10+ games recently. Kerry Collins and Rex Grossman both had 13 win seasons. Chris Simms threw over 300 passes for a 2005 Tampa Bay team that won 11 games.

The problem with Fitz is just how hard it is to win a Super Bowl. Can Fitz really win 12 or 13 games and just how good does the team around him have to be for the Bills to win that many games in a season, especially in this division. Because only 2 of the 16 teams in each conference end up with a high enough seed to not have to win two consecutive road games against the best teams in the league in order to get to the Super Bowl. So, the only way to get to the Super Bowl is to either be one of those teams by winning 13 games and getting a bye and at least one home game or to be good enough to knock off the best teams in the league consecutively on the road. That’s where Fitz just isn’t good enough and it’s where there seems to be some disconnect between people who really believe in Fitz and, as a result of that belief, think that most of us hate him or think he’s awful or something.

What makes you think that Fitz’s ceiling with a championship D is 9 wins? I know you think Flacco and Alex Smith are better than Fitz, but are they really 3 wins better? At best, a guy like Joe Flacco is comparable to Fitz. I think Alex Smith might be better, but it’s pretty close.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 6, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Alex Smith did that this year. They can easily get home field in the playoffs. Next year, if they are healthy, I think they can be a 10+ win team. Easily.
Oh, and the Giants didn’t mind winning 3 games on the road in route to the victory (in GB, in SF, in Indy).

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Stats don't tell everything

Explain Alex Smith. Stats would NEVER show that he’d have a career year and is set to make a lot of cash next year. They don’t tell everything.
many like to point to how Fitz can’t bring us back blah blah. He can’t stop the opposing team. I won’t judge him until he has a real defense. Next year, with health, should be that year. They were 5-2 before injuries crippled our depth. We lost our best players on defense and offense. No team in the rebuilding phase can survive that. Next year, we will have more depth and better players (if they do as good a job of drafting and signing guys).

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do people think Alex Smith had such a good year? His competition isn’t nearly the competition that Fitz’s is, his skill players are much better, his line is better, and his defense is better. Yes, he had a career year, but I still would want to upgrade him if I were the 49ers. If they had a healthy Peyton Manning, I doubt any NFC team could stop them.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 6, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Explain Alex Smith
But Alex Smith has done it once and did it in maybe the worst division in football and with a team around him that is far, far better than what Buffalo has to offer Ryan Fitzpatrick

i believe kaiser just did.

Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.

by boomsauce on Feb 6, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i am with the rest regarding Alex Smith

I would bring more firepower than a guy who was a bust until he got the right staff to put him into a good situation. His numbers were still far from being amazing, in a division that was pretty weak as well. He falls in with Flacco, Ryan, Cassel, Schaub.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Explain Alex Smith. Stats would NEVER show that he’d have a career year and is set to make a lot of cash next year.

It’s really, really easy to explain Alex Smith. And aside from throwing 5 INTs instead of something like 10, his season from a statistical perspective is in no way, shape or form surprising. 61% completions is a decent, but mediocre number as is 11.5 yards per completion. The resulting 7.1 yards per pass attempt is a passable, but far from impressive number. 17 TDs in 445 pass attempts is exactly why SF maybe had the worst red zone offense in the NFL this past season. But he only threw five picks, so it’s suddenly a break out season. All he did was bump up his comp% a little less than two percent while his yards per completion remained steady. He actually threw fewer TDs per pass, but cut way down on his INTs. He was even sacked more often despite scrambling for gains more often as well.

San Fran had an outrageous +28 turnover differential. It’s a number that will be extremely difficult to repeat or even approach next season. Only five times in the past five years has a team even had a turnover diff better than +20. San Francisco should not be the model of success that the Bills attempt to duplicate. San Fran, with the same team will have an extremely hard time duplicating it themselves next season.

Alex Smith is not getting a big contract. He may get a big salary, but he won’t get the years. He’s a comparable player to Fitz, but still won’t get the contract Fitz got.

They were 5-2 before injuries crippled our depth

Injuries crushed this team a couple games after that. Injuries are a fine excuse if you’re of the opinion that this team would have bounced back to make a run at 8-8. I think they very well may have done that. But this team was not suffering from players being out of the lineup when they got shellacked by the Jets and Cowboys. Wood went down against Dallas and Jackson and Wilson followed the next week and Buffalo was toast after that. But injuries are not why this team started to struggle in a huge way mid-season.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 6, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i concur

with all of this. i would pick out specific parts, but that is a waste, because every bit of it = rec.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

beating 12+ win type teams, on the road, because Fitz is an average QB that we can overcome by simply having a good defense?

which it behooves to add that, he doesn’t even have.

Most of us who don’t speak super highly of him just have that extremely rational opinion about him

i certainly feel I fall into this category, with my assessment as well.

ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE

by ThaRealTruth on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

2014 Super Bowl

That one will feature the Bills.

It’s only right. The Bills will play a NFC dome team at Met Life Stadium (Meadowlands) in sub-freezing temps and snow.

Colin Brown...Pancreas Yellow...

by ChipShot on Feb 6, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

Hell ya!!!

Go Bills!

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 6, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

2012 Bills in Super Bowl...

O.k. I know people are going to laugh at me, but really I fell like we are getting closer. As I watched the Pats (who the BB beat, and should have beaten in their two games) and the Giants (who the BB came close to beating) playing in the SuperBowl, I kept thinking to myself…a couple of pieces and a somewhat healthy season for our starters, and the Bills are in the SuperBowl.

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by Rob B on Feb 6, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

your right they will, but not me

Sure they will have to play above their talent next year to reach the super bowl, but the truth is in this league the difference from middle to top is not that much. Fitz is a streaky player if he were to get hot towards the end of next year and we are healthy. It could happen. I am not holding my breath, but I wont laugh either.
GO BILLS!!!

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

There ya go. :)

Don't Worry, Be Happy!

by buffalobacker on Feb 6, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see this timeline actually happening.

A lot could go wrong, but this is not impossible.

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 6, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

First things first...COMPETE

The Superbowl makes me sad every year, because I think back on the past twelve years, and I realize that the Bills are no closer to it than they were in year 2 or 3 of the Gregg Williams era – in fact they’re probably farther away since those were talented teams that underachieved, while now we have gaping holes all over the place.

But anyway, imagining Superbowls 2 or 3 years from now is just a recipe for disappointment. 2012 is what we should be thinking about now. What I want to see in 2012 is meaningful games in December. We’ve had that what – twice in the past 12 seasons? I want to be in a situation where we can say “ok if we win in week 16 and 17 we’re in”, not “ok, if we win and 5 other teams lose out we’re still alive!”

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 6, 2012 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you

IF they have a good draft (get starters from it) AND keep their better guys healthy, this team SHOULD make the playoffs next year (12). I can easily see them going 10-6. They should beat:
KC, Seattle, Arizona, St. Louis, Cleveland, Indy, Tenn, Jacksonville, and at least split with Miami and Jets. That’s 10 games.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

What I'd like to see in 2012:

A 4-2 record against the AFC East. That’s the first step toward all of this happening.

"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.

by stetzwebs on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely

I could point to many different things as the Bills’ bigger problems over the last few years, but high up there is the fact that we’re consistently dominated by our own division. It’s great that we finally got a win vs. the Patriots, but then we went on to lose to the Jets twice, to the Dolphins who weren’t even any good twice, and to blow a 21-0 lead against those same Patriots.

2-10 in the division over the last 2 years is unacceptable. That has to change.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 6, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know. Losing to Miami and the Jets twice is unforgivable.
Should’ve at least split with both.

"My new cat just farted on my lap. Smells like Bills football." BG.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 6, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post.

I left the Packers and Saints and Colts out because they have only won one super bowl…still one more then us.

Not that it has anything to do with your line of though here but, for historic accuracy, both the Packers and Colts have won more than one SB/NFL Championship.

I like your timeline. It has a veneer of a vision that perhaps Buddy Nix shares.

.

When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 6, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think they meant they won multiple titles recently.

by TCMiller30 on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I see your point.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

I met in recent history. I know how many they have won.

by Jeremy Galton on Feb 7, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot has to go right

for a team to even make it to the Super Bowl. Look at Green Bay for example, with a 15-1 record this year, still beaten in the conference semi. Many teams make the playoffs with regularity, only to fall short of making it to the big game, because this sport is about “Any Given Sunday”. The law of averages catches up with most teams, and generally one playoff team can beat any other if they do everything right. Giants went into the playoffs 9-7 as a last minute division winner, and came out a world champion.

The immediate goal has to be to make the team a perennial playoff powerhouse, and eventually the big game opportunities will be there. And the first step to that, is a positive record against their AFC East opponents. This team is still a long way from that.

by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Super Bowl 50

You know the NFL is going to have a big thing going on at 50. Maybe Buffalo Bills against the Detroit Lions?

Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67

by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 6, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think the Bills are definitely a better team than they were a year or two ago and that they’re still improving. The problem is that the foundation isn’t good enough for this team to continue on an upward trajectory for very long. When you’re building on top of Fitz, RBs, interior offensive lineman and mostly run stuffers on D, you’re going to hit a ceiling. As this team is built and looks like it’s being built, at best, the Bills are going to hit a 10ish win per year plateau and just stop getting better. Until this organization shows a desire to build towards top 5-10 pass offenses and pass defenses, there is a limit to how good they can really be. IMO, they’re much, much further away than being just 2-3 seasons from challenging for playoff byes and playing in conference championships.

"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington

by kaisertown on Feb 6, 2012 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Bills D has a long ways to go

before they are as good as SF. The Bills will be lucky to have a winning season next year. A lot of pieces have to fall into place including better Qb play for next to be a winner.

by ScioTiger on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 AM EST reply actions  

Bills vs Lions

I am more scared of the Lions then the Saints. I am just saying. The Lions have it all….Good O and Good D.

by Jeremy Galton on Feb 7, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

their D is average

yes they have suh but avirl might not be there and they dont have the cap to bring in anyone great or keep great players. i read an article about a month ago and since they were si bad for so long and had so many top 5 picks that it really hurts there cap. calvin johnson, suh and stafford is over one third of their cap and thats only 3 players

Ay Ay Ay Ayyyyy

by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Feb 7, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Lions linebackers

are awful. cant tackle

With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.

by tomcs on Feb 8, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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