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Andre Reed Not Part Of Hall of Fame Candidate "Housecleaning"

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The long wait for Buffalo Bills great Andre Reed to make the Pro Football Hall of Fame will continue for at least another year, as Reed and the other wide receivers on the finalist list failed to gain inclusion in 2012. While the ballots are secret, and arguments are to be kept quiet outside the meeting room, two voters have shared a closer look at the process.

Sports Illustrated's Peter King had just a brief snippet in his Monday Morning Quarterback column on the Hall voting. He noted that Bill Parcells and Eddie DeBartolo Jr. were the two longest-debated candidates in 2012, at over 40 minutes each. Reed was next on the list at just under a half-hour. In fact, the longest four debates yielded zero inductees, as Dick Stanfel was also left out.

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King's colleague at SI, Jim Trotter, was also on the 44-member voting panel. He had this to say about the debate time: "[The reason Reed was discussed the longest] was only because he was the last of the receivers presented," wrote Trotter, "so voters were able to compare and contrast the players at that position."

After that long debate, two wide receivers moved on to the Top 10, eliminating Tim Brown in favor of Reed and Cris Carter. Following that vote, each member is asked to select their final list of candidates, ranging from three to five players.

"I voted for four of the six inductees; the two I voted for who did NOT make it were Carter and [Charles] Haley," said Trotter to end his column.

Trotter did as Buffalo News writer and Hall of Fame voter Mark Gaughan surmised on Saturday night: "Reed likely was a victim of a splitting of the vote at the receiver position. The strong likelihood is voters only picked one receiver to get to the final five, and Reed and Carter cancelled each other out."

This isn't a revelation, but in 2011, Reed was the only receiver to make the cut to the Top 10. In that voting process, no receiver was there to cancel him out, so that excuse doesn't quite add up to me. When you consider this as a year without locks, it makes some more sense, though.

The most troubling part of the comments is this excerpt from Trotter, in which he outlines what may have been going on in the room:

Some thoughts on today's voting: It sure had the feel of a good old-fashion housecleaning. That may sound terrible, but in no way is it meant to demean the players who were selected. Each of them is most deserving. But voters were aware of what's coming down the pike, and if certain positions weren't addressed this year it would create major logjams going forward.

The housecleaning was the basis for many people's opinion that Reed and/or Carter would get in this year - to break the logjam at receiver. If the voters were worried about what was going to happen by adding Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen to a pool that included the elected duo of Dermontti Dawson and Willie Roaf, why wouldn't they also be worried about taking care of the problem they already have at wide receiver - one that will only get worse when Marvin Harrison is added to the mix in 2014?

With a strong crop of first-year eligible candidates in 2013, Reed and the rest of the wide receivers may have to wait an awfully long time. Michael Strahan, Ogden, Allen and Warren Sapp will all merit serious first-year consideration.

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I’m afraid the longer Reed, Carter and Brown wait the harder it is going to be for them to get in. The numbers the WR’s of today’s NFL are putting up are off the charts… Reed and the rest will keep dropping in career stats as players like Welker put up over a 100 catches a year…

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by Goose22 on Feb 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely true ...

and the biggest problem is the voters have absolutely no professional football experience and apparently no historical perspective. Talking about it, writing about it does not make these people qualified to determine who earned it. Because they have no clue how HARD it is for Reed or Carter or any of the people up there to do what they did on the field. We need an entirely new system, maybe we start with the current living HOF’ers and include retired players, coaches, scouts, etc to be the voters. Because having WRITERS determine who gets in is laughable.

by Buffalo110 on Feb 7, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. Makes me think of politicians telling teachers they are doing a bad job. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats HoF voters

we now know you suck at “housecleaning”.

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by mob16151 on Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

I can live with a decision based on supposed “merit” as the criterion most often quoted. But saying someone was elected to prevent a future “logjam” seems counter to any valid argument for or against.

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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.

by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

the system needs to be revised

This is why I prefer baseball’s HOF voting method. “Here are your eligible candidates. Vote for them or don’t vote for them.” None of this “Let’s spend hours whittling down the list to a handful of finalists who still might not get elected.” I understand that they didn’t want the HOF cluttered with undeserving players, but they ended up with a system that actually prevents deserving players from being elected.

by SiriusRed on Feb 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i thought to myself, who are these guys

no offense, but geez….

Andre Reed was THE MAN besides Kelly, Thomas, and Smith….

seems bizarro…

how many yrs left of eligibility? it would seem to be quite a few given some
of the old guys lined up last night.

the good news is easy: how sweet it will finally be when he does get the call…

by simonpure on Feb 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

They get 25 so he’s got 19 left I think.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But isn’t it true they only get a certain number of finalist finishes? I swear I recall hearing that a player can only be a finalist (or maybe it’s not being a finalist) a certain number of times before they’re no longer eligible.

"Son. People can see you!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

that would seem rather foolish to me. that’d be like buffalo never being allowed back to the super bowl since they were finalists four years in a row but never made the cut.

NOBODY circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

by heff17 on Feb 6, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

that’d be like buffalo never being allowed back to the super bowl since they were finalists four years in a row but never made the cut.

Wait…. That’s not the case? Someone better tell Ralph!

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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hope he gets in soon. One of my all time favorite players.

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by Dana H on Feb 6, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

If I had to guess

2014 will be the year they break the log-jam at WR.

I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.

by suteck on Feb 6, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Sometimes, I wonder...

what would Andre Reed’s numbers have looked like if he played in a dome or sunny SoCal like Carter or Brown. I wonder if anyone else even thinks about this when comparing the three. Then again some of Andre’s best games seemed to be in December.

by BillsThickNThin on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

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