Finesse Offensive Tackles
I love mock drafts, and love to consider the possibilities for Buffalo in April. In reviewing several, I've developed a pet peeve over the sometimes maddening lack of knowledge that many pundits have of Buffalo's system, talent, and needs. Whats more, I've really developed a pet peeve for mock drafts that fail to consider the tendencies of CHIX. Whats after the jump is part brain dump, and part analysis of what we know and how it applies to the possibilities for April's draft.
For this post, I want to focus on the offensive line and pass rushers. Those by most measures are two of the most commonly projected early draft pick targets for the Bills.
On the offensive line, a good understanding of the tendencies of CHIX goes a long way towards paring the list of potential Bills targets. Lets take a look at the profile of the type of guy that CHIX has brought in to play the offensive line during their tenure. I am including only players that have "stuck" with the team so far, on the theory that they best represent the profile of what CHIX wants.
Name - Height - Weight (courtesy of ESPN)
2011
Chris Hairston - 6'6" - 332 lbs.
Sam Young - 6'8" - 322 lbs.
Michael Jasper - 6'4" - 394 lbs.
2010
Erik Pears - 6'8" - 314 lbs.
Colin Brown - 6'7" - 328 lbs.
Chad Rinehart - 6'5" - 323 lbs
Kraig Urbik -6'5" - 329 lbs
Do you notice a tendency among these linemen. I will exclude Jasper for averaging, since he is a giant human being and his weight will throw off the average. Averaging all others, CHIX profile for an offensive lineman is 6' 6.5" and 324.6 lbs. The weight figures are based on reported weight. I'd venture to guess that the playing weight of a few of these guys (Urbik) is higher than their reported weight.
What this list makes clear is that the Bills have a type. When looking for offensive lineman, they want massive human beings. They like tall, large lineman. They don't want the early 2000's Denver Broncos style finesse, zone blocking lineman. They want maulers.
In addition, Nix history when drafting lineman should also be considered. Both when he was in San Diego and since he's been here, he has not taken lineman early, instead preferring to build with later round bodies. I wont belabor that point, as I believe Brian has discussed it before. But, suffice it to say that if history is a guide, the Bills wont target an OT early.
When considering draft options at OT for the Bills, I think you have to first look to whether the prospect fits the Bills type. I know the BPA fans out there will say ignore type and focus on BPA, but in my book thats not what the Bills will do. Just like you draft defensive players to play your system, the same holds true on the offensive line. CHIX will draft lineman that fit their blocking system and their type of player.
In comes my pet peeve - mocks that project Jonathan Martin to the Bills. In my book, you can cross Jonathan Martin's name off your list for Buffalo as a potential pick. Hell, use a Sharpie when doing so, because there is no way the Bills take Martin. Martin is a finesse lineman, who does not fit the Bills mold. Likewise for basically any other tackle who weighs less than about 310 lbs.
In my book, the potential tackles out there who fit the Bills mold include Mike Adams (Ohio State), Andrew Datko (FSU), Keleche Osemele (Iowa St.), Cordy Glenn (UGA), Levy Adcock (Okl. St. U), or Michael Schwartz (Cal). There aren't many CHIX guys in this years crop of tackle prospects who are well suited to man the left side. Some of these guys are arguably best suited to play inside (Glenn). Mike Adams really intrigues me as a LT possibility, and although it may be too high for him and out of character for Chix, he could be a surprise pick at 10. Otherwise, look for a CHIX type mauler later in the draft like Levy Adcock.
Another place where the Bills have a physical prototype they seek is DE. The physical prototype comes not from what the Bills have brought in over the last two "lost years" on defense, but instead from Nix's own words. CHIX has never been one for deception. When Spiller was the pick in 2010, they told anybody who's listen that they wanted a "water bug" running back, and they took one. Love it or hate it, CHIX quite often means what he says and says what he means.
When speaking about pass rushers, I believe he did it again. In his year end presser, Nix indicated the team wanted bigger pass rushers who can put their hand on the ground or stand up and rush the passer. He used a 6'4", 255 or 260-pound measurement as a guideline.
To mock the Bills draft and project pass rushers to the Bills, I believe one should apply Nix's guideline to the available talent. Here there are a lot more prospects that fit the Bills mold than there are at the LT position. Guys like Vinny Curry (Marshall), Cam Johnson (Virginia), Whitney Mercilus (U of I), and of course, Quinton Coples (UNC) all possess the height CHIX seeks along with the ability to put a hand on the ground and rush the passer or stand up. Guys like Melvin Ingram and Courtney Upshaw don't fit the guideline CHIX set forth. While deviation seems more possible here since we have less proven trackrecord to go off, I'm still inclined to project that the Bills will do what CHIX said and look to a pass rusher who fits their guideline.
So, to make my long winded point short - when preparing for April's draft, use what you know. While we don't know much about what the Bills will do, I still think we know more than we think. We know the type of player the Bills will likely seek at OT, and we know the guideline by which DE options will be measured. While deviation is possible, I believe conformity is more likely.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Good points, rec'd
I agree that Buffalo’s drafting strategy is a lot more obvious than many people think. Buddy and Chan make it clear each year what their most important need is (stopping the run, adding another dimension to the offense) and what their protypical type is for that need (a waterbug, a 6’4" 265 athletic rusher). That’s why I don’t really buy into the belief that Upshaw would be picked by Buffalo and feel like they’d go with someone like Whitney Mercilus.
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Also rec'd good writeup
Im not buying Martin to the Bills either. And I think a guy like Datko might be the pick in the 2nd-3rd. You could also cross Reiff off using your criteria.
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you missed out bobbie massie
he is tall and big and the most athletic for his size…. he will be an excellent 3rd round prospect
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Andrew Dakto teammate is also someone who fits the fold.
he is very light on his feet 6 foot 6 and can add weight to his frame which is just at 300 pounds i believe.
He is someone to look at in the 2nd round. Very athletic. He was right tackle then Datko had a serious shoulder injury…we already have a tackle with shoulder problems in D.Bell.
So Sanders would be better.
he switched over
played left tackle once Datko went down that is what i wanted to say and he handled himself very well in the ACC.
all depends on FA signings, but
with all the holes i doubt that OBD will not be taking a lineman b4 the 4th round, if Coples isnt there at 10 they should trade down, add more picks, pick up best CB in first then Curry in the second, Iloka in the 3rd, Brock Osweiler and a TE in the 4th
rec’d nice post. simple and accurate
i think this generally applies to every position for buddy nix. he prefers bigger corners, bigger receivers, bigger tight tends, bigger linebackers, bigger everything really (seriously, they took searcy because he was 225 lbs). for the most part, when mocking players to the bills its important to try and meet the nix height/weight requirements.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
and Searcy will be Wilson replacement in a couple years if not sooner, i think that worked out well
thats why i like George Iloka FS 6 foot 4 225lbs and i think he could cover Gronk
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Is there any way that Upshaw or Ingram can play OLB in the 4-3? The only way I’d take them is if they can play both. That way, you can line them up anywhere.
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I don't think so
Maybe Upshaw, but I don’t think he has the lateral agility to play a 4-3 OLB position consistently well. Unlike the 3-4 Jack position, our 4-3 Strong OLB would have to cover tight ends more often, which would expose Upshaw’s weaknesses in coverage.
Upshaw could probably handle either 4-3 DE spot and either 3-4 OLB spot, but not a 4-3 OLB.
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This was the best draft analysis I’ve read yet.
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by BuffaloOwdaTwnr on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Nice
totally agree. Even though I voted for martin in the jets fan’s fanpost. Hightower is the player I would pick and then another guy in the 2nd-4th.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
why not upshaw
they need a big strong linebacker on the strong side as much as they
do a defensive end……..
i think if he is there, they take him……not sure the dude from carolina will
last to the #10 pick….
that is why people are projecting upshaw, he fits bills need, BPA at #10
BPA at #10
could you maybe elaborate on that? theres a love affair with upshaw on this site and im not sure ive seen a really good reason why hes light years ahead of the other players the bills will have to choose from.
saying that hes ‘relentless’ or ‘the next terrell suggs’ is not really an argument ill take seriously. what is it that makes upshaw so much better than everyone else?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
by boomsauce on Feb 7, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am so with Boomsauce on this....
The Bill’s will not take Upshaw with the 10th…he really isn’t that good…
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Three issues
I have three concerns about Upshaw to Buffalo
- I’ve never seen him projected to Buffalo to play the 4-3 SAM position. I’ve seen Upshaw projected to Buffalo because many pundits don’t pay close enough attention to the Bills to know we are switching to a 4-3. I’ve seen him a few places as a possible 4-3 end. I’ve never seen him to Buffalo as a 4-3 SAM.
- I think 10 is too high for a SAM in Buffalo’s system. Why spend the number 10 pick in the draft on a 2 down linebacker.
- Even if you think the Bills would take him as a SAM and then have him put his hand down and rush on third down, he still does not fit the mold for the type of player that CHIX wants in that role.
For those reasons, I don’t buy Upshaw to the Bills.
by mcgrathp on Feb 7, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he is too short to play 4-3 DE
draft hightower instead. Have him play SLB 1st and 2nd down. Then on 3rd down put him in for Kelsay/Carrington at LDE to rush the passer. He would knock out 2 major needs with one pick. We would then either pick up a starting FA RDE or draft Vinny Curry in the 2nd. Address WR, CB, OT next.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
is he fast enough to cover a TE in coverage from the SLB?
I like your reasoning here
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it all depends on FA and the combine,
if OBD can sign a top FA RE then their 1st pick should be the best cover SLB, but with Gronk and Hernandez NE, and Keller NY, they should really draft George Iloka FS Boise st
he played ILB at Alabama
So I think so. But we will see for sure in the combine.
With the 10th Pick in the 2012 NFL Draft the Buffalo Bills select Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama.
if the BPA isnt really what they need, then
pull a patriots and trade down and get more picks for this year or next, then still get a quality RE
Finally...
I’ve been thinking the same thing. If we stayed 3-4 primary defense Upshaw could be our Jack Linebacker but we went 4-3 where he would be a DE not a LB. He can not cover TEs in our division especially. Upshaw weights in at 270 but he is trying to lose weight to become more of linebacker which wont help on the DE front.
People are focusing way too much on PASS RUSHING. We need 4 down players. This is the Orkapo vs. Maybin argument a couple years ago. Maybin is not a complete player but great pass rusher. Orkapo does everything well even Pass Rush.
Ingram is an athletic freak that can cover a TE and be competitive. He can play 4-3 DE and DT and even LB. He is so athletic and agile.
I’m all for Hightower as well because he can play ANY linebacker spot and also versatile enough to get throw into a DE position to confuse the offense. He called out the plays for the Albama defense, so we will see his combine. McClain was good enough for the #8 pick i think Hightower is better than he is and would be best value and talent at #10.
Melvin Ingram or Hightower and we are set.
by mike$bills on Feb 7, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yes, Ingram
Ingram weighs in at 275 so he would be a perfect 4-3 DE and he is an explosive pass rusher who is also athletic enough to drop back into coverage. In that sense he fits what Buddy Nix wants perfectly. It’s true that he is 6" 2" instead of 6’ 4", but I can’t imagine that would make much of a difference given his speed. He has also played against major competition at Clemson and has great character. Hightower would be good, but Ingram is a better pass rusher and more versatile.
Are we running a gimmick defense?
We’re running a 4-3. How often are we going to have our 4-3 DE covering Tight Ends and our MLB/SLB with their hands on the ground? Hightower is a good 4-3 Middle Linebacker, not a von miller that can do whatever he wants. He really isn’t as versatile as your making him out to be at all, he plays ILB in a 3-4 and MLB in a 4-3 and I have severe doubts that his speed will allow him to play elsewhere. We need starters not more athletes that can DO alot of things but aren’t GREAT at anything.
Thanks for the great post!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 8, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions
Great write up and post. BTW, I agree with the general consensus re: Upshaw and DE need.
My 2012 Bills mock draft is below. I also have the Bills re-signing Stevie, Chandler, Urbik and Rinehart but probably not Bell (because of his injury history – he’d have to agree to sign at a very reasonable price).
Round 1: DE Quinton Coples
Round 2: QB Nick Foles
Round 3: SLB Shea McClellin
Round 4: WR Ryan Broyles
Round 4: OT Matt McCants
Round 5: CB Emanuel Davis
Round 5: TE Michael Egnew
Round 6: C Garth Gerhart
*Round 6: LDE Tyrone Crawford
Round 7: WLB Sammy Brown
- - Compensatory Pick (for Poz)
Cam Johnson
I loooooove cam johnson and at some point I was going to say watch out for a Cam johnsonson pick in the second or third round. He moves really well for his size and can put on some weight. Looks real natural pash rushing and can definetely hold up against the run. He got injured this year so I’m hoping hes around in the 3rd.
Pick our BPA between DE/OLB
When it comes to our pick at #10, who’s still there? If CHIX feels a better pass rusher is there, that ‘s who they should pick. If the edge goes to a cover ability OLB still being there, they will go that way. We have been schooled in TE matchups in that area for way too long in our own division. Last year’s pick was REALLY simple IMO -Dareus if he was still there, and he was. We would have taken Von Miller if he was still there at #3 last year in our “reported” 3-4 scheme. This year we’d be still be looking for a DL pick even if we got Von last year. We didn’t get him and now we are supposed to be a 4-3 look more often. Coples is the pick if he’s still there, but don’t think he will be.
by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Feb 9, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions

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