My 2012 Bills Mock Draft
by wpod on Feb 9, 2012 6:46 AM EST
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PrintRound 1: DE Quinton Coples
Round 2: QB Nick Foles
Round 3: SLB Shea McClellin
Round 4: WR Ryan Broyles
Round 4: OT Matt McCants
Round 5: CB Emanuel Davis
Round 5: TE Michael Egnew
Round 6: C Garth Gerhart
*Round 6: LDE Tyrone Crawford
Round 7: WLB Sammy Brown
* - Compensatory Pick (for Poz)
I realize Coples may not last to the #10 pick. If he's gone I'd prefer to trade down and pick up another high draft pick because I perceive very little value difference between several alternative 4-3 DE prospects that I would want the Bills to take instead (i.e., Mercilus; Ingram; Perry) and I believe at least one of them would still be available later in the first round. I would not like taking a different position in the first round (i.e., CB Dre Kirkpatrick; OT Jonathan Martin; WR Kendall Wright; etc.) although I could see taking Martin. So I'd rather take Coples, if he's there, but would rather trade down before reaching to take a different DE prospect.
If Foles isn't there in round 2 I could see taking QB Brock Osweiler instead. If McClellin is gone in Round 3 I could see taking SLB Vontaze Burfict; Emmanuel Acho; or Josh Kaddu instead.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Like I said in the other post
Love the draft, however I just hope Coples is available at 10. Also I’d rather have Nate Potter in the 4th over McCants. Nick Foles is excellent
"Get your krispy Cream Dougnut. And your Root Beer. This Show is going to bring the House down in all the traspasers" - Abayarde
I rate Potter and McCants very closely; I could see switching the 4th round backup OT pick to Potter.
I can also see taking Osweiler without blinking an eye if Foles were gone (but I highly doubt he would be at #42).
OK; I'm switching 4th round OT selection from McCants to Potter
It helps that my 3rd round pick, SLB Shea McClellin, is from Boise State, too. I figure maybe they go together.
Updating my 2012 Bills mock draft
Round 1: DE Quinton Coples
Round 2: QB Brock Osweiler
Round 3: SLB Shea McClellin
Round 4: WR Ryan Broyles
Round 4: OT Nate Potter
Round 5: CB Emanuel Davis
Round 5: TE Michael Egnew
Round 6: C Garth Gerhart
*Round 6: LDE Tyrone Crawford
Round 7: WLB Sammy Brown
- - Compensatory Pick (for Poz)
we wont be getting any compensatory picks
we are a net positive for FAs.
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Yet another example of roster mismanagement. I hope that Thigpen or Brad Smith were worth the 3rd or 4th rounder (each) that Buffalo lost in comp picks by signing them. Awesome plan of losing Poz and Whitner and replacing them with Thigpen and Smith and getting some nice, non-impact players while losing the comp picks in the process.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agree completely Kaiser
and this is an aspect of the “revolving door” most won’t think about, or don’t think is that impacting. But I agree with you- particularly with Thigpen, who I personally think is awful. i don’t think though, teams necessary plan for building with compensatory picks, and so Smith was worth having, particularly for depth. Morrison though? why bother signing him? did he get on the field, ever? Special teams?
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We have no idea if Thigpen is awful
He didn’t PLAY FOR US last year. Wow, where do you get this stuff from? As I said a while back, Frank Reich was terrible in his appearances. Let him get a week’s worth of team reps and then decide.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
um, yeah he did.
not only did he played in the preseason, against scrubs, as a former starter in the league, and looked AWFUL. TERRIBLE. On top of that- he went 3 for 8, with an INTERCEPTION in 3 games, where he managed a pitiful 3 yard average completion. I would have kept Levi Brown. He has had YEARS in this league. I don’t care how many reps he gets. HE is a backup. He should be acquainted with that circumstance. Perhaps he should put in extra time on his own. Can’t say I think reps solve throwing balls into the stands, and into the turf. That comes from proper mechanics, and hard work. He has not demonstrated enough of each, for my liking. I say, cut him. He only holds back other guy’s development.
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Until
I see him with a week’s worth of starter reps, I respectfully disagree. I have seen plenty of “bad” backups play much better with a week’s worth of starter reps.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
cool
i will continue to NOT be an advocate for the guy. He has never impressed me. He is like, idk, Matt Cassel to me. MAYBE with ALL THE TALENT IN THE WORLD around him, he could be passable. Otherwise, he never was, and probably never will be good enough to be a starter. I prefer a backup, who has the possibility to replace Fitzpatrick, because in the long term, that is what we need. I can tell you this: if we didn’t add a QB this year or Fitz hadn’t played injured last year (which kinda speaks to his command/Thiggy’s deficiencies)- i have to believe that if it was early enough, Tyler would have put us in the race for RG3, or the suck for Luck campaign. I have seen him as a starter, and a backup, for 3 different teams, and none of it amounted to good. He is Matt Moore to me.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't
Matt Moore actually look decent for Miami? Miami is a stronger team with some stars on it.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
only against us
Miami isn’t a MUCH stronger team, and we have similar amounts of “stars” as them. If not for Cameron Wake, they would suck equally. We are VERY similar to me.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol @ people defending Thigpen :)
I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
right?
I mean… I rather bring Pennington out of retirement. I rather have Chad Henne. No lie.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
What about Levi Brown???????
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DO I NEED MORE QUESTION MARKS???
TYLER THIGPEN???????
WHAT?? IS??HAPPENING??? HERE???
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I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! LET'S DO IT! - Venkman
by J2 on Feb 10, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha.
Dude, if you had read my other post on the other thread, and I TOTALLY did say I would take Levi Brown, over having wasted a year of his development, to have Pigpen on the roster. I would take just about ANYBODY over Tyler Thigpen.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Im available
lol
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REC. Nailed it.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 9, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Say what?
So, we aren’t supposed to sign vets that can help our team b/c of a 6th rounder? Really? That is your argument? I think you lost all cred with me.
You actually said they are supposed to keep worse players so they can get a junky 5th or 6th round prospect that may or may not make the team. Wow.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
That is your argument? I think you lost all cred with me.
I don’t think that was his point at all. The point is, that we signed vets that did little to help us, and if your point (your point) was about compensatory picks…. that we hindered ourselves in that regard.
As for cred- at least he has earned some first, in his numerous years of posting here. I have yet to read anything that amounts to anything from your posts. Anyone can be a fanatic. Try adding something to the conversation.
ABAYARDE IS NOSTRADAMUS JUST WATCH WE WILL NOT YIEALD TO NOBODY YOUR SOUL WE WILL TAKE
I did
I said that we should sign players and not worry about a 5th round pick we might get. That was my statement.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
i can support that.
i don’t care at all about a compensatory pick. they really amount to little more than taking guys who you worry might end up picking somewhere else, when they become undrafted free agents. It is nice to think that the Joique Bell’s of the world can be had for “free” with those selections, but really, they can be had as free agents too. I think far more players COULD translate if the nature of the league didn’t hinder them. I think expanding the number of teams would also be another reason to expand the number of roster slots available, because teams are going to need to spend more time on prospective talent, and the nature of the league (immediate translation is necessary for rebuilding teams and talented teams end up making “nobodies” into players- is all a product of this)
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I said that we should sign players and not worry about a 5th round pick we might get. That was my statement.
I’d agree if we were talking about a 5th round pick. Poz would fetch a 3rd round pick if Buffalo had a net loss of FAs. That’s worth taking into consideration when deciding on whether or not to sign guys like Smith, Thigpen and Kirk Morrison.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Can you prove that
That Poz is worth a 3rd. Don’t forget, we signed Barnett.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Jacksonville gave him a 6 year, 42 mil contract. Maybe that only gets him a 4th, but I think it would almost definitely be a 3rd. That’s a pretty huge contract that he got. Vanden Bosch and Aaron Kampman were worth fourth rounders last year after getting 25ish mil contracts. TJ Houshmandzadeh got a 40 mil contract from Seattle and Cincy got a 3rd for that in the 2010 draft.
Signing Barnett will be irrelevant in the comp process. It seems to be entirely based on contract size.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
How can this be?
Signing Barnett will be irrelevant in the comp process. It seems to be entirely based on contract size.
yet, you say
I hope that Thigpen or Brad Smith were worth the 3rd or 4th rounder (each) that Buffalo lost in comp picks by signing them. Awesome plan of losing Poz and Whitner and replacing them with Thigpen and Smith and getting some nice, non-impact players while losing the comp picks in the process.
can you explain in detail why signing the replacement LB in Barnett has no bearing, but, signing other FA do? I am not trying to be smart or an Azz, but, I really don’t follow your logic at all now.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Since Barnett was cut by the Packers, he does not count in the comp process. It’s designed to not help teams who dump their own guys, but it also ends up rewarding teams who sign cap casualties like Barnett. So, if Buffalo were to go on a cutting spree and dump Merriman, McGee, Edwards and Spencer Johnson, they wouldn’t get any additional picks next year for doing so.
Other players that don’t count are RFAs that are not tendered and any player who only gets the minimum salary for a contract.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Nice to see you appreciating the nuances of FA
i.e., contrary to your earlier statement back to me that “it is as simple as counting the bodies”. No; it’s not. There was a reason I said what I said. Glad to see you are now prepared to deal with the complexity of this topic, due to the details of the NFL policies governing the way it works.
It's not as simple as just counting the bodies; the value of the contracts they signed
for is a major factor into the potential FA compensation formula (purposely unpublished), too. Plus, FAs a team signs who were cut by their previous team (such as Barnett, for example) also don’t count against the team that acquires them.
In:
Thigpen (3 years, $11 million)
Smith (4 years, $15 million)
Out:
Posluszny (6 years, $42 million)
Whitner (3 years, $11 million)
The Bills could well be awarded a compensatory pick in 2012, possibly a 6th round pick.
Unfortunately, it is as simple as counting the bodies. If Kirk Morrison got more than the league minimum from the Bills, then we’ll get nothing. And while I wouldn’t be shocked if Buffalo got a 6th for losing Poz, despite not having a net loss of FAs, it would be the first time in at least the last few seasons that a team got anything other than a 7th when signing as many players as they lost.
I feel pretty confident that they’ll either get nothing or a 7th depending on Morrison’s contract.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
I’m sure the Bills did not envision the amount of Juniors that came out in this draft. Which has made this draft very deep. I think you were right from the beginning, we would have received a 3rd and a 4th, which would have been huge in this draft. It would have given more leaverage for the team to trade up into the second round again with there other draft picks, and still have 3rd and 4th round compensatory picks in those rounds.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 10, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Compensatory picks are addressed in the link.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 10, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
i like how u posted a mock draft on every thread, and then eventually just caved and made your own thread. theres really only a couple picks that i like (mcclellin, egnew), mostly ones im not a fan of.
as freddyjj said, its highly doubtful that theres a comp pick for poz. bills signed bartnett, morrison, thigpen, and brad smith. that should be plenty to stop them from getting one.
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
After reading some more ratings/comparisons, switching QB from Foles to Osweiler
Sorry if that’s annoying; I still view them as closely rated but Osweiler is pulling ahead.
Waivering between Arizona QBs? The apocalypse is upon us.
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 9, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see
Them taking Coples in the first. Not a character guy. I don’t see them taking a QB in any round where a starter is available. Round 2 is starter territory. This team needs starters, not a guy riding the pine.
This is a make-or-break year for Nix and Chan. They won’t risk it by “wasting” a high draft pick on a guy who won’t play this year.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
He wont be there
"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-
Already addressed what I'd do if Coples is gone before #10
I’d trade down, if possible, because I perceive little value difference in the top alternative 4-3 RDE prospects (i.e., Mercilus; Perry; Ingram) and at least one of them will still be there later in the first round, so might as well snag another high draft pick if possible first. Still see taking a pass rushing DE prospect in Round 1 regardless. Mercilus might have the most upside of the three I mentioned but I see them all as being pretty close in terms of potential impact, hence the trade down idea.
As for taking a QB to develop in Round 2 I disagree with your view on the value of taking a top QB prospect vs an immediate starter. Given that Thigpen was such a good backup that they trotted Fitz out there even with 4 cracked ribs and a bruised sternum I’d say the time is NOW to draft a guy to start developing, first as a serious backup and eventually to replace Fitz as the starter. Short term, make Brad Smith the backup for now and give the rookie Thigpen’s roster spot immediately.
Or we could stay and take a Top Tackle. But I like your idea of trading down if we def want to go pass rusher. If we trade down, Upshaw could still be there, and if not you have guys like Ingram, Perry, Mercilus and my favorite Burkfict there for the taking still. I always like the idea of trading down and picking up more, especially if there isnt a top talent at the pass rushing position that really stands out
make Brad Smith the backup for now and give the rookie Thigpen’s roster spot immediately.
do you honestly think brad smith is a better NFL quarterback than tyler thigpen? seriously?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
I think given the fact that the Bills decided last season that an injured Fitz
… with 4 cracked ribs and a bruised sternum and not playing nearly as well as he had been was better than Tyler Thigpen, that yes, they’re better off letting Brad Smith play backup QB and using Thigpen’s roster spot to carry a #3 QB they are developing.
Updated my mock draft again. This time I realized I need to take a CB earlier than round 5 so that shifted my OT pick back down from round 4. Puts more likelihood the Bills will re-sign Demetrius Bell, too. But I need to bring in a better CB prospect even if they sign Stanford Routt or another FA CB. This team really has too many needs to address all of them adequately in a single off-season but there you have it.
Round 1: DE Quinton Coples
Round 2: QB Brock Osweiler
Round 3: SLB Shea McClellin
Round 4: CB Coryell Judie
Round 4: WR Ryan Broyles
Round 5: OT Markus Zusevics
Round 5: TE Michael Egnew
Round 6: C Garth Gerhart
*Round 6: LDE Tyrone Crawford
Round 7: WLB Sammy Brown
- - Compensatory Pick (for Poz)
Devin Decastro
I’m kind’ve surprised no one is at least saying he’s a possibility to go to Buffalo. He’s one of the best guards recently in drafts and it’s not like Rinehart is an all-pro. Maybe we see no one we want and trade down and take Decastro. He would instantly upgrade the line and create more depth with Rinehart moving down. I like the idea of Bell/Hairston/McNeill at LT then Levitre, Wood, Decastro in the middle. Pears or Hairston at RT. I know you guys will say we gave up the least amount of sacks this year and had a solid running game. But, I think the majority of that falls on Fitz’s quick throws and Fred’s vision. Just my 2 cents and just for the record, I’d be very happy with Coples at 10….
He’s one of the best guards recently in drafts and it’s not like Rinehart is an all-pro
He’s not even as good a prospect as Pouncey, or Lupati, and you don’t take those guys at ten.
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