Mocking the Worst Possible Drafts
by stetzwebs on Feb 9, 2012 12:47 PM EST
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PrintI don't do mock drafts. I don't watch college football, and have no idea who most you are talking about when you do post your mocks. However, I thought this might be an interesting idea, since it is the season for mocks: everyone who wants to should post their nightmare draft. It doesn't have to be 7 rounds' worth, or all the Bills' picks, but I'm sure all of you draft gurus have a nightmare scenario regarding a draft that you see completely feasible, but scares the snot out of you. A draft you would not be surprised comes to fruition, but you really really hope it doesn't. Please, post them in the comments section, and have fun with this.
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worst possible 3 rounds
round 1 trent richardson
round 2 peter konz
round 3 t y hilton
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
You really see them possibly taking Richardson in the first? Even I know that would be a huge waste of a pick.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I would treat it as a spiller pick
If he is the bpa i wouldn’t put it pass nix to draft him
With the first pick in the 2012 draft the Indianapolis Colts select Robert Griffen III
by Gpluehri on Feb 9, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, that would be the worse case scenerio. I can already feel my blood boiling if we pick Richardson, and Paris Hilton in 3rd.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 9, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
What's your beef with Jenkins?
Has off the field issues in college, but is a lock down corner.
by Slick Shifty on Feb 10, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Any mock where Miami gets RG3 or Luck
"Give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, and he’ll eventually release Maybin." - stetzwebs
yep, that would make me sick too
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 9, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or if they end up landing Payton Manning.
I know it’s not a mock draft scenario, but it’s still a nightmare scenario.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
or
The Jets landing Peyton Manning while the Dolphins trade up for RG3…
by Slick Shifty on Feb 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
1) coples DE
2) foles QB
3) streeter WR
4) hosley CB
4) reynolds OT
5) fletcher CB
5) carder LB
6) Paige-moss
ill stop there, im already making myself sick
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
Mine's pretty similar
1.) Coples – I don’t want to risk having his current motivation due to money
2.) Foles – pass. Reminds me of Ron Johnson.
Beyond that, here’s some players I don’t want:
Matt Reynolds, OL BYU. Not a bad player. Last year I argued with some folks on here about how Reynolds was way overrated and can’t play LT. He’s now being looked at as a a guard
Donte Paige-Moss, DE, UNC. I wouldn’t add his bad attitude to the Bills if the agent paid the Bills the amount of his contract.
Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin. Not a bad player, but why does everyone mock him to Buffalo? Urban legend says that Gailey loves mobile QB’s. Two years worth of actual games shows that he likes QB’s that can make quick throws from the pocket. Wilson isn’t that guy.
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isn't this basically
wpod actual mock draft? ;)
just kidding. it is his first two picks though. I too, am not as sold on Coples, but I am not as big of a Foles hater. I would THINK about the second on him, maybe, but even there, I am on the fence.
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well he happened to pick 2 guys that i dont like very much… foles because i think he stinks and coples because id rather hes not on the bills draft board at all
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
that's fine. you are welcome to your opinion.
while i am not anywhere near sold on Coples, I think Foles demonstrated abilities necessary for running our “pass wacky” (to quote J2’s coined phrase) offense, because he delivered the football, to the player’s numbers, with good velocity and accuracy, from the shotgun, during the Senior Bowl. The ability of those WRs really showed, by their ability to gain YAC. I think that he fits quite well.
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I don't know
I think Foles is way overrated, and doesn’t have a natural feel for the game. He’s skittish in the pocket.
I’d take a flyer on Osweiler later in the draft before Foles. I think Foles might be Chad Henne one day. Osweiler, while super far from being a sure thing, has much more potential than Foles.
I think two years with David Lee could turn Osweiler into something special.
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cool
i respect your view. I disagree with it. I think he is a “prototype” in size and strength, who runs something similar to what we want to do, and demonstrated the ability to do so at the Senior Bowl. Is he maybe a later 2nd, or early 3rd? may very well be. perhaps we move up to get him in the late second. Maybe he isn’t even on the radar. But I see as much in his abilities to consider him, as any QB that isn’t named Luck/RG3- or Tannehill.
What I will say- I am not so “in love” with ANY of these QBs in this draft that we will have a shot at getting. I will wait for the combine, to truly make an assessment one way or another, as I do each year. But in the limited amount of exposure I have had to any of them… I am just as happy to consider Foles as any.
I think Foles demonstrated abilities necessary for running our "pass wacky" (to quote J2’s coined phrase) offense, because he delivered the football, to the player’s numbers, with good velocity and accuracy, from the shotgun, during the Senior Bowl.
Perhaps you care to address this. I mean, I could compare directly to Tannehill, had he been there. But that didn’t happen.
As far as Osweiler, I worry about his size. Guys that big tend to have less mobility, and a higher likelihood for a lower limb injury, IMO. I think he could end up being…. J Russell.
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also want to add
in the ways that you accused me of “needling” you- you tend to comment on things I say to others as well… so maybe we can both just accept that we comment, because there is something we want to add to the discussion, rather than I was seeking you out, to bash your idea, just because I didn’t agree with it. I surely could feel the same way, from your similar approach, if you get what I am saying. I think we are to the edge of mutual respect though, so I hope you don’t take offense, but you have been pretty regularly refuting MY preferences, in what seems to be nothing more than a disagreement with MY assessment, and an affinity for your own.
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i admit readily
i could be way off base here. But I just see it as similar. I never thought I was “needling” you… and now, you may not see it as “needling” me… but I do question why any time I mention Foles/Floyd, suddenly- any other option ESPECIALLY your boy T…. ends up being the better choice. I think the kid is Jimmy Clausen all over again.
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Clausen and Tannehill couldn’t be more different. Clausen was a manufactured college QB that got coddled, and had a bad attitude.
Tannehill was a high school athletic QB that agreed to play WR for the better of the team. When Jerrod Johnson fell on his face, he went back to QB, despite being a huge part of the passing game as a WR. And his natural talent was evident. And he was a team player the whole way.
And that’s not to mention that Clausen is two inches shorter, with a way weaker arm.
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ok.
i meant more in his over value, and impending drop in the draft. I think he is being inflated due to need, and when it comes down to it, perhaps his athleticism will offset the fact that he isn’t a “polished product” which i think is what most teams would prefer from a 1st round selection. Or at very least, someone with a clear body of work at the position. Sometimes teams take that risk anyway. More often than not though, it doesn’t work out. Even the “no brainers” end up being somewhat questionable (see: Matt Ryan) and so I guess if it were up to me- we wouldn’t take a QB who isn’t Luck/RG3…. unless it is in the 3rd or after. It isn’t up to me, and I am not a paid NFL talent evaluator. What I am, is a guy with too much time on my hands, a love for my team, and a guy who is ENDLESSLY online… and capable of doing research as well. I tend to do mine, this time of year, over earlier. But I am more than confident in my ability to make basic assessments, because I have been quite effective in my guesses, going back to Marshawn, who was the first draftee that I took the time to not only suspect we might pick, but to gather an opinion on. (i wanted Willis, but knew that he would likely be gone, and that Lynch was another very good prospect that we would consider) and since then, I have been pretty good at guessing where guys might end up. I am comfortable with my opinion, and ok with being wrong. NFL GMs mess up all the time. I am not costing anyone millions by doing so. It is just fun for me. That is why i don’t care for definitives, because there are just too many variables. I am happy to speculate, and hit sometimes, and that is all the validation I need. Spiller, Hairston, Shepard, Lynch- these were all guys I said should be drafted to our team, and then were. I am stoked to have gotten them. Williams I considered- but I got help with that, as a friend of a friend was on staff, and informed us the night of day 1. i expected shep to be the guy, and then… he still was. SO- it is just all in fun. That is why i seek so much input, and though I might not agree with it, it isn’t that I don’t value it.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
wow.
that sucks. i wrote a very elaborate explanation of my view, and instead, it posted 2 oks.
i guess i will just put my main point:
i compare them only in their impending draft slide, due to over value.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just reload the page, and it goes back to your post
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there it is! :)
haha. it’s ok though, there probably isn’t much that doesn’t seem like ego fluffing in there anyway. But, it speaks to my intentions, and purpose, and that matter hasn’t always been clear between us… so at least if it is just a stupid rant, it will let you know that in no way to i not value your opinion, i just don’t always agree with it. But then, we have already discovered the root of this problem. we assess/value guys differently, but want similar things. We also see different ways of getting there, but that could be from my lack of “evolving” to the new league, and thinking that traditional thought can still be effective (see: Texans)
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Needling is what someone is arguing with the intent to make someone angry.
I can assure that it’s not the case with what I write.
I think there’s a huge difference between refuting someone’s argument, and defending your own…. and mutual respect. If I don’t agree with your assessment, that’s far from a lack of mutual respect. Popper never agreed with Kuhn. I don’t think there was a lack of respect involved.
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ok.
as i said, i don’t feel as though I really WANT arguments. I am quick to try and defuse them, and i care more to speak on a matter, than argue about feelings/opinions of each other. i don’t care if we NEVER agree. As long as we do so with civility. i certainly am not on here just to get a rise out of people. I find it irritating to try to talk to someone who doesn’t care to discuss the point, or doesn’t care to be open to other people’s perspectives. i have more than consistently said, and tried to stick to, this line of thought.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Guys that big tend to have less mobility
thats not fair in osweilers case. he comes from a basketball background, and he can move like a basketball player. hes a very good athlete for his size.
the injury points noted, but hes only a couple inches taller than guys like flacco and peyton manning. does that extra couple inches really make him more suspect to injury?
Its fun to think quarterback, but i think the odds of nix taking one in the first are close to 0%.
yes, it does.
the same way that a physiologist will point out that the taller you get, the less hip flexion/ joint mobility you have. Shorter guys have more lateral movement abilities, because they need there lower limbs less to support their weight, because they are carrying less of it.
I never said that he CAN’T play, or wouldn’t be a solid pocket passer. I am just commenting to the fact that larger guys tend to have less mobility, generally speaking. He could be some kind of “freak” in this regard, but more often than not, a 6’7"+ player is going to be a TE. If, they make it in the league at all. The legs are far too necessary in football, as it is a contact sport, and based on speed that your legs are providing. He is gonna get a lower leg injury, early, if he isn’t very careful. Maybe more likely than guys shorter than he is.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
ugh.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what J2 means. The Buffalo offense was a mix of E-P and west coast, with a lot of 3-step timing throws. It’s not something that is unique in the NFL.
In that offense, of the three QB’s that Buffalo could have (Tannehill, Foles, Osweiler), Tannehill is the best option, since he actually excelled in a west coast offense in college. Foles would be next. Osweiler isn’t a short passing game type of guy, right now. I think his talent is overwhelming though. He’s really mobile for being 6-8. He was a basketball player, and has a basketball player’s body- thin and mobile.
He’d need a ton of time with David Lee, but he might be something with work.
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i disagree. 3 step timing throws? when? Fitz was always in shotgun. How is that a timing route?
I rank Foles ahead of Tannehill- for our team- because it would mean not wasting a first round selection on a queston mark (in my eyes), and other than that… i think that I agree with the rest.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
You can still run a three-step drop offense from the shotgun
The QB is already at the three step drop point, with the ability to hitch.
Or, if Gailey wanted to go with a 5-step combo, Fitzpatrick drops three steps and hitches.
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i get that you CAN
but I didn’t see much of it. that was my point more than anything. Plus, I don’t see why we would employ the West coast offense. I think we should be more ground and pound. but, that is a philosophy thing, and we won’t likely agree on that either.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Bills go west coast style because it’s tough to be effective using a power running game when you struggle to throw down the field. If you’re not spreading a defense out vertically, you’ve got to do it horizontally. Fitz limits what Buffalo can do schematically. Doesn’t mean they can’t run the ball quite a bit, but they’ve got to do it with single back sets because they’ve got to create space for their offensive players.
That’s where Buffalo running a timing offense comes from. Fitz just won’t be efficient taking deep drops, hanging in the pocket and trying to fire down the field. They mainly use the bottom half of your standard route tree running a lot of ins, outs, curls, hitches and slants and you don’t see them running to many fly/go routes or flags/posts or double moves down the field.
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it’s tough to be effective using a power running game when you struggle to throw down the field.
two words: PLAY ACTION
Fitz’s most productive plays two season ago, were heavily from play pass. again this year, near the end of the season, we found some success in this regard. You know what keeps a defense from worrying about play action? Never running the ball. It is easy to stop the Bills from doing what they want. STAND STILL. That is easy for a defense to do. We are going to throw the ball 4-6 yards, straight from shotgun. If the defender stand 4-6 yards from the LOS (you know, their starting position), then they already have us stopped. Now, all they need to do is cover space, for another second, and the pass rush will get there. Sure, you might gash for 6 yards, or 8 on a run- but we run 13 times a game, so who cares. Until we have defenses worried about 2 dimensions of the game, they won’t.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
another factor as a sidenote
GIANTS for linemen- and a “little guy” for a QB. i think it provides an advantage to the runner, to be smaller, and behind really large lineman. Ask Emmitt Smith. He probably agrees. You know what creates a disadvantage for a QB? Not being able to see. That is more likely why we are in shotgun. I personally think we should be running more boots/nakeds, or counters than screens and short passes. Screens are given away quickly when guys are big and slow. the RBs/WRs excelled in that regard, IMO, because of their talent, more than the blocking help. they got beyond that level with speed and shiftiness, as much as the blocking helped them. I just don’t see the point in using this system, other than masking Fitz’s deficiencies, and I don’t see the point in doing that, unless you are 100% sold on him, and I don’t see how you are 100% sold on him, if you have to mask his deficiencies. You know? I mean, if he was just good enough, then this would be a non-issue. Instead, we hinder the legit talent on the team, to be force fed Fitz, because he is a smart guy, and a good leader. Those things are valuable, but I value a tall QB who can see over the pocket, has a big arm, and the talent to improve. I don’t see Fitz as anything more than a system guy, and if he is to be replaced, why would you build the system around him, get the rest of the guys acclimated, and then put in someone new, with legit talent, into a basic scheme like that? Are we just going to change the whole thing when we have a legitimate contender QB (assuming that ever happens again, ever?) I mean it is this short sighted “we gotta field something, and this is the best we got” mentality that has me so frustrated and disappointed in these guys. It really has to be funny to watch, for anyone that doesn’t like, or isn’t a fan of the Bills. I bet our divisional opponents LOVE the job these guys are doing.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about how often the team runs, or even shotgun vs. under center. It’s about formations with extra receivers out there. That’s what Fitz needs to spread the field horizontally. David Nelson needs to be in the slot for this offense to work, which means that the FB needs to stay on the sideline. Buffalo needs to run out of a single back formation, instead of in a more classic power running style. That and a reliance on the bottom half of the route tree is what Fitz forces the offense to do. I don’t think it prevents the Bills from building or preparing the offense for a different QB.
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Single back requires Tight Ends, which we nary have. Even now, we may end up moving backwards in this regard. While I agree with how the system needs to be utilized- I don’t in any way agree with the employment of this system, for our roster.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
And I already update my mock to replace Foles with Osweiler...
But I won’t repost it yet again here in order not to offend boomsauce.
This post gets me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 9, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ha! Rec!
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
And by that I mean this:
I don’t do mock drafts. I don’t watch college football, and have no idea who most you are talking about when you do post your mocks.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Starts with the Jets getting Manning
1. Colts take RG3
2. Rams take Kalil
3. Fins trade up and take Luck
4. Browns take Blackmon
5. Bucs take Claiborne
6. Skins take Tannehill
7. Jags take Coples
8. Vikes take Martin
9. Panthers take Upshaw
10. Bills take Richardson
That would mean Brady, Manning, Luck, and Fitz would be the starting QBs in the AFC East. The Bills still wouldn’t have a franchise QB, an elite LT, a pass rusher, or a shut down corner in a passing league. The koolaid drinks would rejoice at our 3 headed monster running attack.
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
by Joe P. on Feb 9, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
I thought that was the point :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
It is. I was applauding your draft, in my own way :).
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
My head is hurting now
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 9, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
you win
Or lose rather.
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by billsoferie on Feb 9, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And just when I though I could stop drinking, Joe puts up this nightmarish, but still likely scenario.
I think that i may actually become a Saints fan if we have to face Brady, Manning and Luck.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow....
That’s horrifying.
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yeah....and I didn't even mention that the Pats sign Stevie......sweet dreams Bills fans :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
i won't lie.
I never even finished reading that post. i couldn’t. i was like “I expect Manning and Brady both in the division, but Luck too? Frigg this guy.” lol… BUTTTT………. now that I have finished it…. I will rec for this:
The koolaid drinks would rejoice at our 3 headed monster running attack
ugh. that would be how it would go too. idiots. lol.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
oh, but you forgot to mention that
the 15(or less) running attempts we make, would be split evenly among Choice and White, who we also re-sign- because we have to put Richardson, Spiller and Fred out there as WRs.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
LOL....a five RB set....that has got to be some kind of record :-)
"Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
oh, leave it to Chan to try it out
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised, honestly. Especially when Steve walks.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
We could always run the wishbone offense
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Feb 10, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I won't be participating in this
other than this post! Haha, I do like the idea for this discussion I just know all too well that the Bills FO could easily botch this draft. I’m hoping for the best. If I posted my anti-mock and it comes to fruition I would hate myself! I like the idea of it though.
"What it takes to win is simple, it's not easy."
-Marv Levy
Haha, that’s part of the point! If they do botch up the draft, who was the closest?
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
Haha
that’s exactly right, I don’t want the burden if I am the closest. I try to keep my pessimism for the Bills to a minimum. And like you, I don’t watch college football at all really and I only know what I read in this short time before the draft. I will say one thing, I absolutely don’t want a QB in the 1st-3rd rounds not named Robert Griffin or Andrew Luck. I also prefer not to draft an OT with the 10th pick. That’s as far as I’ll go!!
"What it takes to win is simple, it's not easy."
-Marv Levy
I'm taking the same approach.
I’ll observe, I’ll even discuss, but I wont put up one of my own. Mainly because i can’t get my eyes off of the other train wrecks.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
For the first round, any player drafted to play strongside linebacker, even Dont’a Hightower. One of the non-LT type lineman (Cordy Glenn, Peter Konz and even DeCastro). And if that list isn’t long enough, Kendall Wright is just a terrible fit for this offense and needs to play in a 7 step drop, QB takes all day to get the ball out offense like a Pittsburgh or Philly type.
2nd – Nick Foles, like a bunch of other people. I think he’s a 6th round developmental type prospect who is a reach anywhere before the fifth. I actually don’t like the idea of taking any QB in this draft class before the 6th other than Tannehill, Osweiler and Kirk Cousins.
Also for the 2nd or 3rd round, any interior offensive lineman. I’m perfectly happy with Urbik and Rhinehart or whatever other backups this team can muster up.
I’m not a fan of taking any LB in the first 4-5 rounds who isn’t either a DE type to be a situational rusher playing SAM LB or an asset in coverage. Any true linebacker who will struggle some in coverage is not what this team needs at all. We’ve already got one of those as our starting MLB and can’t afford to put another one on the field to play next to him.
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rec'd
because this could be epic fun…. Now where’d I put that popcorn?
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My worst possible draft
1.Tannehill
2.Brandon Washington
3.Nick Toon
4.Jake Bequette
4.Michael Egnew
I’ll stop there…blah
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Are you kidding me?
You know what I think about Tannehill? Bequette? Are you kidding? Give me Bequette in the 4th every draft.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
I don't like Bequette I think
you’ve fallen into the high energy trap, with him. Yea he tries hard, and is built good, he’s just not explosive at all. I think his ceiling is a Kelsay type grinder DE.
And as for Tannehill, not at ten, to me he hasn’t done enough to separate himself from the second tier QB’s,Foles,Cousins,etc.
You know what I think about Tannehill? Bequette? Are you kidding?
Don’t take this the wrong way, but your not my go to guy for player evaluation, no offense.
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No offense taken
To my defense, which QB have I been wrong about since the 2010 draft?
I was the first guy to say Tebow would overcome his issues and become a first rounder.
I was the first guy to say that Gabbert was a first round.
I stuck with Locker when no one did.
I was high on Von Miller way before the Senior Bowl.
I had Christian Ponder as the best QB for the Bills.
I’m not too bad evaluating QB’s. : )
you’ve fallen into the high energy trap, with him. Yea he tries hard, and is built good, he’s just not explosive at all. I think his ceiling is a Kelsay type grinder DE.
I haven’t fallen into any sort of trap. For a 3rd to 4th round DE, Bequette is perfect. The ultra-talented ends are gone by the time guys like Bequette get drafted. Give me a contributor like Bequette as a 4th round pick every year. 4th round picks normally don’t do much. So if I can get a high energy, try-hard grinder with that pick, sign me up. Even the ultra-talented Giant defensive line has a need for Dave Tollefson.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
Fair enough
but in the 4th I’d rather take a guy like Julian Miller. And I honestly don’t remember which QB’s I liked 2 years ago, I do know I loved Tyrod Taylor last year.
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I was the first guy to say Tebow would overcome his issues and become a first rounder.
I can’t say I even think yet, that he overcame his issues, but I know that I projected him to slide down into the later first. I think Denver still took him earlier than I expected, but it wasn’t terribly surprising either.
I stuck with Locker when no one did.
That’s not entirely true. I too, stood by him.
I was the first guy to say that Gabbert was a first round.
I didn’t ever refute this either, though I don’t know whether you beat me to him or not.
I was high on Von Miller way before the Senior Bowl.
Don’t think you were alone here either.
I had Christian Ponder as the best QB for the Bills.
I still would have preferred Gabbert at the time… I don’t know where I stand, right now. Gabbert has the better arm, for sure. His system was TERRIBLE for him. I still think he can succeed. Ponder has the lower ceiling, but was the most NFL ready in my eyes at the time. It wasn’t until Cam’s pro-day, that I was sold on him.
For a 3rd to 4th round DE, Bequette is perfect.
I agree here, but only assuming that we didn’t select Curry in the second. 4th round selections are the earliest form a value, that isn’t elite talent, to me. 3rd round maybe has a handful of steals in the top half, but after that, you are looking for solid contributors, that maybe don’t “wow” you. I think Bequette falls into this category, for me.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t take this the wrong way, but your not my go to guy for player evaluation, no offense.
Mine are Mayock/McShay. But that doesn’t mean that DJ doesn’t have some knowledge as well. Even though he and I don’t always see eye to eye on evaluations, it is sometimes nice to get other perspective.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I had Gabbert and Tebow as first rounders in December of their draft years. I can usually see enough to finish as assessment around Christmas. I’d seen enough of Tebow way before them, and Gabbert by his bowl game, though I was pretty sure of my assessment after the Oklahoma game.
Same thing this year with Tannehill. I was sold after the drive he led that shuld have beat Texas, if not for A&M’s crappy D.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
Same thing this year with Tannehill.
I have an appreciation for your perspective. I really truly do. I have been here too often to think that you have no idea. But that said, everyone sees different things, and are looking for different things, and admittedly, sometimes my wants don’t seem to match OBD. However, they do generally see needs similarly, and I have hit on too many 1-5th round guys for our team for me to not have continued interest. i just don’t like a #10 QB pick if he isn’t going to start, when we can make a pick that helps Fitzpatrick, since he is going to be the starter (ie LT/WR). A #42, sure- I am all about landing an “Andy Dalton” type player. But, I just am not sure I see one in this class, who won’t be going in the top 5.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I agree with you TRT. They won’t draft a QB 10th overall this year b/c this is the make or break year for Nix and Chan. They need to hit on as many starters as they can in the first 4 rounds of the draft. If they take a flyer on a guy in a later round, perhaps, but, the first 4, maybe even 5 rounds will be on guys they feel might be able to start or be a solid backup
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
i agree with your assessment, which is exactly what I think is the likelihood this year as well.
idk if it really is the “make or break year” or not, because their approach seems to imply that they might get longer than the usual 3 year stint, otherwise I think Edwards might have been fired sooner. I think Dave Wannstedt gets 2 years as well, and that the combination of stripping us down to nothing, and then building bottom up is going to take 3-4 years minimum, so i think they are running a 5 year plan, that could be thwarted at the END of this season, only if we are below 8-8 (and maybe even then, it won’t happen)
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to hope
Hey, did you see the vegas line for wins for Blo is 6.5. I am not a betting man, but, I think I want to put some cash on that.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
Yeah, even I would bet they win more than 6.5 next year. I’m hoping for 8-8, wouldn’t be surprised to see 9 wins, would love double digit.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
i feel the same
and at the same time, i wouldn’t take that bet still. If Fitz got hurt in camp, or in the first few weeks, and our 43 is as bad as the last 2 years of 34…. we could lay an egg, and I wouldn’t be surprised.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 11, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
We’ll re-engage in this talk after the draft.
I’ve had this talk, almost exactly the same, with folks about Tebow, Gabbert, and Locker.
Buffalo may not get Tannehill, but he’s going to go high.
Re-starting the official Buffalo "Draft a quarterback in the First Round in 2012" campaign.
i will re-engage after the combine. i don't make ACTUAL assessments until that point. if he isn't there, his pro-day will do.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not true.
I stuck with Locker when no one did.
Ahem, Cough, Cough.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 10, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I even advocated taking him #3
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/3/26/2074079/should-the-bills-draft-the-andy-reid-way#62498748
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by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 10, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Same here.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/3/2/2025351/intangibles-for-locker-over-other-qbs
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When the job is finished no one remembers how long it took, just how well it was performed.
by Buffalo for Eternity on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
My worse mock
1. Jason Vorhees. He’s a slasher for a runner, but, in cutting his opponents down to sized, tends to get fined from the league.
2. We take the reincarnation of Erik Flowers, who, not shockingly, came back as a flower. Nix saw him and reasoned that this flower must be tougher then his original version.
3. Nix reaches on Alvin and the chipmunks. He figured that he could get 5 guys for the 1 draft pick. Sadly, he loses in court and is stuck with the diminutive Chipmunk now.
4. Nix takes the flying squirrel. He saw him soaring in the air from one tree to another and couldn’t resist the speed. Sadly, he couldn’t run a route to save his life, literally, as in a tragic accident, was hit by a car and was killed a day after getting drafted, sad.
5. Nix goes to the south pole and selects Santa Claws, the misunderstood brother of the world famous QB who never fails his team. Turns out that this Claws wanted a career in theater, doing of all things, scary movies.
6. Little red riding hood. She has amazing moves for a HB. Again, Nix loses the court case and the NFL establishes a no-female rule, which hurts the league’s image with women.
7. The big bad wolf. He is mostly full of hot air and doesn’t really play hard, oh, wait, is that Coples?
I wanted to make a funny comment about Tannenhill, but, some like him a bit too much. Not that there is any chance he comes to Buffalo, but, if he does, get ready for some seriously bad times for this franchise.
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
by suteck on Feb 9, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
hahaha.
i support this 100% buddy.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
cool
If I did get under your skin, or anyone else, let me apologize. Lets all try to be not so aggressive with each other. We are all fans here. right?
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
dude,
if you didn’t see, i already apologized. we certainly are all fans. I think that i was quick to get aggressive, because I looked at your posts as “nitpicking” people who I think offer great perspective, and explain their view. The more posts i read of yours, the more I will understand, and the more that we can grow, and understand other perspective. Football is a great game, because there is more than just one way to win, there is more than one approach on either side of the ball, and there is validity with many many views. Apology totally accepted, and again, I don’t mean to be quick to judge either. But, if you, or I have a point to refute, we should probably elaborate, so that we can understand each other’s perspective.
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
1. Shane Falco – He’s a washup, and that Sugar Bowl nailed the coffin.
2. Edie Falco – She weighs what, 115, tops? That’s way too small for OG, but she still makes starter before Jasper
3. Falco of “Der Kommisar” fame – Actually, I’d be OK with this pick. He’s a little old, but a steal in the 3rd.
by Ian MacPersonoid on Feb 10, 2012 12:40 AM EST reply actions
hahaa
outstanding.
you should have posted the link for the third….
so i will : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Nice. I would like that draft. Falco’s a winner. Did you see him run it in at the end? What a playmaker.
"Slowly all the roles we act out become our identity. And in the end we are what we pretend to be." - Jerry Cantrell.
by stetzwebs on Feb 10, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
totally.
and as an aside: Keanu looked to have similar velocity on the ball as Fitzpatrick does. Sure, that might have been from channeling his inner Falco- but in reality, that actor threw as good of a spiral, with similar pace hahahaha
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by ThaRealTruth on Feb 10, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
stop stop stop
Rock me Amadeus is way better!!!!!!!
and I vote for the chick in Obsession from Animotion everyone remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY&feature=related
I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, then slowly fade away in the antiquities of time.
trade the whole draft for stetzwebs
Ay Ay Ay Ayyyyy
by BuffaloBillsBigestFan on Feb 10, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions
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