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Laws moving quickly up draft boards (Photo Credit)

With the Denver Broncos the lead pursuant of DT Shaun Rogers via the trade route, the Buffalo Bills - who are rumored to be interested in the veteran - may need to begin developing a Plan B option at the defensive tackle position. With very little available via free agency, if the Bills are going to address the position, it will very likely be through the draft. Luckily, we got to see defensive tackles (and ends, and linebackers) work out at the Combine yesterday; here's how they fared.

(Note: keep your fingers crossed for a Rogers trade.)

Defensive Tackles
No one was more impressive, to your humble narrator at least, than Notre Dame's Trevor Laws. Weighing in at 304 pounds, Laws was still able to run a 5.08 40, with unofficial times as low as 4.97. He also threw up 35 reps of 225 pounds and vertically jumped 30.5 inches. Couple his impressive workout with his unbelievable college production, and Laws is looking like a first-round talent.

Sedrick Ellis disappointed with a 5.24 40, and Kentwan Balmer didn't fare any better with a 5.28. Watching these two in positional drills, however, is incredible - both of these guys are amazing athletes with great short-area burst and excellent footwork. Ellis is sure to be a top pick, but Balmer looked every bit the part of a Top-15 pick himself.

To prove that this is a very deep draft class inside, the following players also had impressive workouts: Pat Sims (5.06), Marcus Harrison (5.02), Ahtyba Rubin (5.17) and especially Dre Moore (4.88). Any one of these guys have the athleticism, strength and burst to play in Buffalo's Cover-2 scheme. Looks like that Plan B may actually work out.

Defensive Ends
Big surprise here: Virginia's Chris Long and Ohio State's Vernon Gholston had excellent workouts. Long ran a 4.75 40 and looked great moving around in space, proving he can play in any defensive scheme. Gholston ran a 4.67, jumped 35.5 inches and looked very light on his feet. Both could very well end up being Top-5 picks. Florida's Derrick Harvey (whom Mike Mayock continued to insist weighed 291) ran a slightly disappointing 4.8, but also looked fluid in positional drills. We won't get into defensive end much more than that, for two reasons: the rest of the workouts were average, and it's becoming more apparent that the team won't add a speed rusher with their top pick.

Linebackers
Neither Keith Rivers nor Dan Connor ran (Connor actually left Indianapolis due to illness), so the linebacker workouts were pretty uneventful. There was only one major disappointment, as LSU's Ali Highsmith - considered one of the more agile and swift linebackers available - ran a very slow 4.96 40. He may drop all the way into the third or fourth round after a pretty poor showing.

There are options for the Bills outside of Rivers, as Erin Henderson, Phillip Wheeler, Xavier Adibi and Tavares Gooden - all considered solid weak side candidates - ran in the high-4.6 or low-4.7 range and displayed similar athleticism. None of them should be considered immediate starters, but they've all got the potential to excel in this league. My preference, however, is Kentucky's Wesley Woodyard, who has packed on about a dozen pounds (he's up to 227) and ran a 4.54. He looked by far to be the most fluid athlete at the position, and although he'll likely struggle against the run, he works very well in space and has the look of being a superb coverage linebacker. The coverage element is something that the Bills don't have in their linebacker corps, either, so Woodyard could make an excellent addition.

Cornerbacks and safeties work out today to wrap up the 2008 Combine.

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Trevor Laws
I'm telling ya, Trevor Laws will have top 15 potential by the time the draft gets here. After the N.D. pro day he will sky rocket up the boards. Keep your eyes on him, I know that Modrak and other Bills brass have thrown names like Balmer and Sims out there, but they've got their eyes firmly planted on Trevor Laws. Now that he's up over 300 and still has his speed he's a late first rounder, by draft time the Bills could grab him at 11 and nobody will blame them.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 8:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you called it
I think you're right - Laws could sneak up to being the #3 DT available, maybe even #2 if Dorsey's injury questions don't go away. As it stands right now, I think he's the clear-cut #4 ahead of Moore, Harrison, et al, and you know that scouts love his production and work ethic. He's making himself a lot of money.

PLUS, Mayock mentioned in yesterday's telecast that he can play three-gap or one-gap techniques. Sounds like the perfect fit in Buffalo to me.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed
I knew that Mr. Laws would have quite a showing at the Combine and he didn't dissapoint. I personally still not sold on Balmer, or Sims, I think both could be one hit wonders. If we are targeting one in the draft I would really prefer it be one of the top 2 (trade up to get Ellis, or Dorsey) if not I really really like Trevor Laws.  
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP on Feb 26, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where we have needs, there seems to be depth
While Free agency will dictate our draft moves, becuase there is depth at LB, TE, DT, WR, it frees the Bills up to take the best available player at #11, which i hope will be the case
The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Feb 26, 2008 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like him but,
I just don't see how a guy sneeks up to a top 15 pick because of a workout.  I'm telling you it just isn't so.  Tape doesn't lie.  You'll hear all this guys skyrocketing up boards, but the only way this stuff changes is by interviews and maybe the scouts going back over the tape and talking to the personnel department about what they are looking for.  I agree that Laws is a beast, but I think some people are just starting to take notice of the kid now becuause of his pro day. Scouts and personnel departments have known for a while.

Sure Chris Henry last year ran a fast 40, and so did Chris Johnson I believe this year, but that doesn't make them any better than what they were on tape unless you are looking at kick return.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 26, 2008 10:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Comparison time
Laws' apparent "rise" may be similar to the rise that LaDainian Tomlinson made earlier this decade. I remember him being a high second-round pick in most mock drafts, but a good Combine/Pro Day rocketed him up to #5. And Tomlinson was one of the most productive backs ever. Laws may be making a similar surge here, where scouts are starting to realize that he's a little more athletically gifted than maybe they thought when seeing film on him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2008 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another comparison
Nick Barnett was a guy who was considered a mid second round pick for a while, then after the combine and the individual workouts, he jumped into the first round (I think the Pack took him at #25 or #26)
There is always a lot of moving at the combine, and pro days.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why
is it more apparent we won't take a pass rusher in the 1st? Has something been said?

Also, I don't want to bring in any more undersized LB's. I'm sick of watching these guys get engulfed by blockers because they aren't big enough to shed. Maybe Woodyard could be a good fit, but I don't know how happy I'd be with drafting him. Now if we were to sign a vet OLB, and draft a guy like Woodyard to be a situational LB as he continues to add some more weight, I could get on board with that.

Just wondering, but why would Laws all of a sudden shoot up into the top 15?  Because he ran under 5.0 in the 40 and is stronger and quicker than predicted? I'm not going to pretend I know a whole lot about him, but he was considered a 3rd or 4th round prospect for a reason, right?  Was he expected to weigh around 285 or something?

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2008 10:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: everything
In regards to Laws: yes. I think he was more late-second/third than 3/4 out of the gate, but his weight shot up ~20 pounds to 304, and his workouts confirmed that the added weight hasn't sapped his athleticism. He was a highly productive college player, but scouts were worried about his size and strength. He's answered those questions; coupled with his production, he's made a ton of money.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - more important than weight in linebackers is leverage. Crowell and Posluszny aren't big guys, but they play downhill, which is why they're (mostly) solid against the run. Keith Ellison plays scared, which is why he looks like a grandmother defending the run. Woodyard plays fast and hard. He's already better than Ellison, and his ideal role is weak side in the Cover 2. He might not be ready to start as a rookie, but he could be a stud.

DE: most of the defensive ends had pretty pedestrian workouts, with the exception of Long and Gholston. They're Top 5/6/7 picks. Harvey looked pretty slow, but even so, he could end up being a Top-10 pick. I don't think there's a ton of value at end in the first round. One is likely to be added, but I'd wait until the 2nd/3rd rounds, and I think the Bills will ultimately hold the same line of thinking.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also really like
Woodyard, I was worried that he was going to come in light and be looked at as a S, but he put on the weight and would be a perfect fit for the WLB in our cover 2 he is quick and all he does is make plays. Another LB who looked good who I have always said will be a player was Jordan Dizon from CU.  
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP on Feb 26, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DT/OLB
Would you be ok with trading a 3rd and 5th for Rogers at DT and then drafting Connor as OLB at 11?

I know alot of people are not too keen on Connor, but I believe having Connor and Poz playing together is exactly what the Bills would be looking for as the continuity between the two speaks volumes of their time together at PSU.

Thoughts?

Williams

by williams on Feb 26, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way
I'm all for trading for Rogers, but I am not impressed with Connor first of all becasue he is more of an ILB and we need OLB. Secondly I see Rivers as way more of aplaymaker (whuch is what we need). I definitely don't want him at 11. If we take a LB it better be Rivers
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP on Feb 26, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DT/OLB
Rivers will not be available at 11. If he is available, then I agree with you.

Connor is listed as an ILB, but played OLB at PSU all but his senior yr. Even the draft experts commentated that they do not believe that he would be able to play the MIKE in the NFL, and that he would be more suited to play WILL.

I'm not saying that he would be the perfect fit at 11, but we would have to see who goes ahead of us to determine best available of need in my opinion.  

by williams on Feb 27, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
I'm not sure I can see that comparison, but I get what you guys are saying.  I guess I'm just a big believer that there are teams who have had him higher than others based on his tape all along.  We all know that at the end of the day the combine is just a tool to "verify" a players athletic ability or for a player to rise above what his tape has shown.  

I think as far as the Bills are concerned they move a player up or down or off there boards based more on interviews at the combine than any 40 time or bench reps.  I mean, I just have never, ever bought into these measurables.  kevin durant was last in bench reps in the basketball "combine" yet he clearly was the most talented player in the draft.

And when you say a guy was a 2nd round pick.  That again is public perception or some draft guru saying that.  There is no way of knowing if that is the feeling of 32 scouting departments.  I just get sick of hearing guys stock rising and falling.  Vince Young was lambasted in the weeks up to the draft as well as Matt Leinart.  I don't think it differentiated there stock at all.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 26, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, yeah...
... but we're not NFL insiders, so we have to operate from public perception. Clearly, we'll never know how high on people's draft boards Laws was/is until May; my point is just that with the added weight, the awesome workout and the excellent college production, his name is becoming more widely known.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NFL insiders
There will always be a guy ranked higher on some boards than others, thats why we get picks like Quincy Carter in the 2nd round instead of the 6th like everybody else thought, or Eric Crouch as a 3rd rounder which was a surprise to those of us who thought he wouldn't even get drafted. I'm sure some don't have Laws ranked as high as others, but all it takes is one team to think he's a top ten pick, and if they have said top ten pick to use, then he's gone.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Laws.
Not sure if he's #11 material, but it wouldn't bother me at all if they would trade down a little in the first round, and pick him up around the twenty spot.  That seems to be a good spot for him, in my opinion.

Most important thing we need in a DT is the ability to play the one gap.

The Bills homepage had an article yesterday about Sims.  It seems like they were trying to get some more info on his background.  He might be a guy they are really targeting as well.  Personally, I'd be thrilled if they could land both! [Before anyone bashes me on this, just think a second - it's not so preposterous to think the DTs really need a talent infusion.  McCargo is still unproven, and Williams/Triplett, well, enough said there.]

Good point about the coverage LB.  In his short time on the field, Poz didn't impress me in coverage.  He made the tackles, but it would have been better if he knocked a few balls down, or forced the throw away.  

by krytime on Feb 26, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Laws
Trade down, or even trade back into the first. Remember that is a move that they have made two years in a row, and they have the ammo to do it again this year.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we can...
But if we are looking at a DT at our current spot than I would feel much more comfortable wiht that guy being Laws than Balmer, or Sims. sireric what are your feelings about Balmer? Like I've said I am worried that he only had 1 productive year, and we know Laws is nothing but productive.
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP on Feb 26, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Balmer
I like Laws a lot but looking at production, if I'm not mistaken and anyone can look this up, but off the top of my head I think that Balmer had more sacks his senior year (the only year he really did anything) then Laws did his entire college career. The one year of production does scare me which is why I'm not sold on him, I know Laws didn't put up huge sack numbers (3.5 in '07) but he is a work horse guy who would be a nice addition. I do like Laws better, but I not completely turned off by Balmer.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See I'm not
Too worried about Laws sack #'s either, the big thing about him is his tackles I can't believe the numbers he put up....that would really help our run game. Stats do show that Balmer can be a disruptive force, but still that one year thing....
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP on Feb 26, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean
It's sort of like the guy who just puts it in cruise control until the final year of his contract. I would feel better about Balmer if he had done anything in his first few years.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 26, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen.
That's what I'd really like to see them do.  Going by the current trade chart (Which I've read is under revision, as the top half of the first round is weighted too much), they'd pick up about 400 points or so trading down to 20.  Then using those points plus one of the extra thirds could put them back in to the bottom of the first, or top of the second.  That'd give them 3 picks in the top 43, which should bring three quality guys that could possibly start right away.  

Not to mention, they'd still have another third, a fourth, a compensatory pick, and maybe something from Losman.  All in all, they really are in good shape for the draft.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still think Laws is iffy
I like Laws, but i'm always worried about guys who don't look athletic on film, but put up huge combine numbers.  Although his college resume is impressive.  I'm still hoping for Ellis to fall at 11 if we go DT...

But what really impressed me was mentioning Xavier Adibi in your post.  He's a guy I've liked for a while, and I think he would make a great addition at WOLB if we grabbed him in the 3rd round.  I really think he's a guy that if we sign right away and get him in Camp he could end up being a starter week 1, and really provide a solid LB corp with Crowell, and Posz!!!

Adibi, a first round DT, and a corner or two and we could really be on our way to a strong season D-wise.  (although we will still need an offense that can keep the D off the field for more than half the game)

by DC Fan on Feb 26, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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